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کیا رسول اللہ کو غیب کا علم تھا ؟
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Jibran Naeem
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munafiq kal bhe ghaib ka ilm nahe mantay thay ... or aj bhe ghaib ka ilm nahe mantay ... jab insay poucha jata hai Nabi e PAk pbuh k ilm ki limit batado tou apna phitkar bhara moun leye beth jatay hain k hamain nahe pata ... jab tmhy Nabi e Pak pbuh k ilm k baray mai nahe pata tou phr ye bakwas kyuu
Imran Siddiqi
Minister (2k+ posts)
Itna Ghussa karne se aur abusive language use karne se aap ki baat me wazan naheen paida hoga. Sawal Yeh hai ke Kia Rasool Allah SAW ko Ghaib ka mukammal Ilm tha. Jawab hai hargiz naheen. Allah tala ne quran mein khud irshad farmaya hai ke Woh kisay chahta hai aur jitna chahta hai ghaib se dikha daita hai. Tamam insan jo aaj tak iss dunya mein aaey hain aur aaengay unn mein sab se ziada ghaib ka ilm Rasool Allah Muhammad SAW ko tha. kitna tha yeh koi naheen bata sakta albatta yeh kaha ja sakta hai ke jitna bhi tha Mehdood Tha Mukammal Ghaib ka ilm naheen tha. Kam az Kam Quran Yeh hee Kehta hai.
Wallah o Alam
Here are some references from Qauran
"With Him are the Keys of the Ghayb; non knows them but He.”(Qur’an 6:59)
"Who can intercede with Him except the cases He permits? He knows what is in front of them (the Prophet and the Imams) and what is behind them, and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He will.”(Qur’an 2:255)
And Muhammad is not a withholder of [knowledge of] the unseen.
This is of the tidings of the Unseen which We inspire in thee (Muhammad). Thou thyself knewest it not, nor did thy folk (know it) before this. Then have patience. Lo! the sequel is for those who ward off (evil).
[Surah Hud (11), verse 49]
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Following is the complete translation of the verse 3:179
مَّا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيَذَرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَىٰ مَا أَنتُمْ عَلَيْهِ حَتَّىٰ يَمِيزَ الْخَبِيثَ مِنَ الطَّيِّبِ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِن رُّسُلِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۚ وَإِن تُؤْمِنُوا وَتَتَّقُوا فَلَكُمْ أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ
Yusuf Ali 179: Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.(Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179)
مَّا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيَذَرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَىٰ مَا أَنتُمْ عَلَيْهِ حَتَّىٰ يَمِيزَ الْخَبِيثَ مِنَ الطَّيِّبِ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِن رُّسُلِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۚ وَإِن تُؤْمِنُوا وَتَتَّقُوا فَلَكُمْ أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ
Yusuf Ali 179: Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.(Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179)
الله مسلمانوں کو اس حالت پر رکھنا نہیں چاہتا جس پر اب تم ہو جب تک کہ ناپاک کو پاک سے جدا نہ کر دے اورالله کا یہ طریقہ نہیں ہے کہ تمہیں غیب پر مطلع کر دے لیکن الله اپنے رسولوں میں جسے چاہے چن لیتا ہے سو تم الله اور اس کے رسول پر ایمان لاؤ اور پرہیزگاری کرو تو تمہارے لیے بہت بڑا اجر ہے
Following are some relevant verses of Qur'aan:
Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Qur'aan 6:50)
Following are some relevant verses of Qur'aan:
قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ
Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Qur'aan 6:50)
کہہ دو میں تم سے یہ نہیں کہتا کہ میرے پاس الله کے خزانے ہیں اور نہ میں غیب کا علم رکھتا ہوں اور نہ یہ کہتا ہوں کہ میں فرشتہ ہوں میں تو صرف اس وحی کی پیروی کرتا ہوں جو مجھ پر نازل کی جاتی ہے کہہ دو کیا اندھا اور آنکھوں والا دونوں برابر ہو سکتے ہیں کیا تم غور نہیں کرتے
وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں
قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے
وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read). (Qur'aan 6:59)
اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں
قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (Qur'aan 27:65)
کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے
1. Nobody except Allah who knows unseen (غیب) (Qur'aan 27:65) & (Qur'aan 6:59)
2. Allah when ever He wishes and what ever amount of information He wishes (see below example) provides to His messengers (اپنے رسولوں) Ref: (Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179) & (Qur'aan 6:50)
Allah's Prophet only know the amount of unseen knowledge as much revealed by Allah. For example, Prophet Yaqoob (AS) was given information about shirt via Wahi (Quraan 12:96) but the information about the where about of Prophet Yousuf (AS) was not given while Prophet Yousuf (AS) were inside the well although Prophet Yaqoob (AS) become ill due to this incidence.
'A'isha reported: We went with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) on one of his journeys and when we reached the place Baida' or Dhat al-jaish, my necklace was broken (and fell somewhere). The Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) along with other people stayed there for searching it. There was neither any water at that place nor was there any water with them (the Companions of the Holy Prophet). Some persons came to my father Abu Bakr and said: Do you see what 'A'isha has done? She has detained the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and persons accompanying him, and there is neither any water here or with them. So Abu Bakr came there and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was sleeping with his head on my thigh. He (Abu Bakr) said: You have detained the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and other persons and there is neither water here nor with them. She ('A'isha) said: Abu Bakr scolded me and uttered what Allah wanted him to utter and nudged my hips with his hand. And there was nothing to prevent me from stirring but for the fact that the messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was lying upon my thigh. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) slept till it was dawn at a waterless place. So Allah revealed the verses pertaining to tayammum and they (the Holy Prophet and his Companions) performed tayammum. Usaid b. al-Hudair who was one of the leaders said: This is not the first of your blessings,0 Family to Abu Bakr. 'A'isha said: We made the came) stand which was my mount and found the necklace under it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #003, Hadith #0714)
Urdu summary with thanks to brother such bolo:
ام المؤمنین حضرت عائشہ رضی اﷲتعالیٰ عنہا کا ہار گم ہوگیا تو نبی کریم صلی اﷲ علیہ وسلم نے اسے تلاش کرنے کا حکم دیا، صحابہ کرام نے کافی تلاش کیا مگر ہار نہیں ملا آخر کار آپ نے وہاں سے کوچ کرنے کا حکم فرمایا ،جب ام المؤمنین حضرت عائشہ رضی اﷲ عنہا کا اونٹ کھڑا ہوا تو وہ ہار اس کے نیچے سے نکلا ،اب اگر نبی کریم صلی اﷲ علیہ وسلم غیب جانتے تو انہیں پتہ ہونا چاہئے تھا کہ ہار اونٹ کے نیچے ہے ،پھر تلاش کرنے کا حکم نہ دیتے اور اتنی پریشانی نہ ہوتی۔ (صحیح مسلم کتاب الایمان جلد اول صفحہ ٢٩٧ باب تیمم
2. Allah when ever He wishes and what ever amount of information He wishes (see below example) provides to His messengers (اپنے رسولوں) Ref: (Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179) & (Qur'aan 6:50)
Allah's Prophet only know the amount of unseen knowledge as much revealed by Allah. For example, Prophet Yaqoob (AS) was given information about shirt via Wahi (Quraan 12:96) but the information about the where about of Prophet Yousuf (AS) was not given while Prophet Yousuf (AS) were inside the well although Prophet Yaqoob (AS) become ill due to this incidence.
'A'isha reported: We went with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) on one of his journeys and when we reached the place Baida' or Dhat al-jaish, my necklace was broken (and fell somewhere). The Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) along with other people stayed there for searching it. There was neither any water at that place nor was there any water with them (the Companions of the Holy Prophet). Some persons came to my father Abu Bakr and said: Do you see what 'A'isha has done? She has detained the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and persons accompanying him, and there is neither any water here or with them. So Abu Bakr came there and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was sleeping with his head on my thigh. He (Abu Bakr) said: You have detained the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and other persons and there is neither water here nor with them. She ('A'isha) said: Abu Bakr scolded me and uttered what Allah wanted him to utter and nudged my hips with his hand. And there was nothing to prevent me from stirring but for the fact that the messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was lying upon my thigh. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) slept till it was dawn at a waterless place. So Allah revealed the verses pertaining to tayammum and they (the Holy Prophet and his Companions) performed tayammum. Usaid b. al-Hudair who was one of the leaders said: This is not the first of your blessings,0 Family to Abu Bakr. 'A'isha said: We made the came) stand which was my mount and found the necklace under it. (Sahih Muslim; Book #003, Hadith #0714)
Urdu summary with thanks to brother such bolo:
ام المؤمنین حضرت عائشہ رضی اﷲتعالیٰ عنہا کا ہار گم ہوگیا تو نبی کریم صلی اﷲ علیہ وسلم نے اسے تلاش کرنے کا حکم دیا، صحابہ کرام نے کافی تلاش کیا مگر ہار نہیں ملا آخر کار آپ نے وہاں سے کوچ کرنے کا حکم فرمایا ،جب ام المؤمنین حضرت عائشہ رضی اﷲ عنہا کا اونٹ کھڑا ہوا تو وہ ہار اس کے نیچے سے نکلا ،اب اگر نبی کریم صلی اﷲ علیہ وسلم غیب جانتے تو انہیں پتہ ہونا چاہئے تھا کہ ہار اونٹ کے نیچے ہے ،پھر تلاش کرنے کا حکم نہ دیتے اور اتنی پریشانی نہ ہوتی۔ (صحیح مسلم کتاب الایمان جلد اول صفحہ ٢٩٧ باب تیمم
Huzoor pbuh ko ghaib ka itna hi ilm tha jiyna Allah ne diya. Ya yun kahlen Huzoor wahi karte the aur kahte the jo Allah Jibrail ke zariye unse kahal watay the.
Islam ko chand ***** moulvion aur hindu riwaj ne tabah kar diya hai. Jahil log Quran partay nahi aur gutter jaisa mon khol dete hain.
Islam ko chand ***** moulvion aur hindu riwaj ne tabah kar diya hai. Jahil log Quran partay nahi aur gutter jaisa mon khol dete hain.
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I concur with your comments, however the moulvi that you are mentioning are mostly ignorant people proclaiming to be moulvi. if someone decides to go the dentist sitting on the side road and gets infections, he cannot blame the dentists as the place he went to was NOT a dentistry as he never went to one in the first place. likewise these pseudo scholars that you see on TV like tharki amir liaquat or those mullahs sitting on stage and using filthy language are not genuine scholars.
Jaanbaazkarachi
MPA (400+ posts)
The prophet did not know when it will rain or what will be in Womb of a woman according to Hadiths, so how come he would have know "Ghaib" ka ilm? Today we know more than what he knew at His time.
Jibran Naeem
Banned
sirf ak bat ka jawab daydo Nabi e pak pbuh ko ibtida e kainat say lykar or qayamat tak k waqiat ka ilm ALLAH nay ata kiya tha ? or ALLAH nay kitna ghaib ka ilm Nabi e Pak pbuh ko ata kiya tha ? dosri bat koe ye nahe kehta k ALLAH ka ilm or NABI e PAK pbuh ka ilm barabr hai .... bat sirf itni si hai k munafiq pehlay bhe yehe aitraz kartay thay jis pay ye ayat outri the jis ka mafhoum hai k ALLAH ki ye shaan nahe har aeray gheray ko ghaib ka ilm daydy magar ALLAH chun lyta hai apnay bandoun mai sy jisko chahta hai ghaib ka ilm ata farma dyta hai ....is ki kabhe tafseer parhlyna pata chal jaeyga k ye kin munafiqoun k leye outri the or aj k munafiq bhe yehe kehtay hain k nahe ,.... aesa lagayga aj k munafiqoun ka zikar houraha hai
Imran Siddiqi
Minister (2k+ posts)
As far as I know He the prophet SAW was given limited ilm of Ghaib. Not everything. If you have any evidence of that please share.
What do you say about the following Ayat.
Say [O Muhammad!]: “I do not say to you that I have the treasures of Allah nor that I know the unseen (ghayb). And I do not say to you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.” Say [O Muhammad!]: “Are the blind and the seeing equal? Do you not think?” (6.50)
Jibran Naeem
Banned
similar thing munafiqs said ... do u knw our Prophet pbuh said -after hearing similar criticism from munafiqeens- {mafhoum** ask me from the day of inception of this universe till the day of judgement i will answer ur all questions.
secondly the intrepretation of this ayat is that Nabi e Pak pbuh never claimed that he has knowldge of unseen on his own but Allah gave him such knowledge .... read the tafseer u will get the idea why this ayat was revealed....
Imran Siddiqi
Minister (2k+ posts)
I am questioning the translation of the Ayat and obviously the tafsir of it.
﴿وَلا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ﴾nor (that) I know the Unseen,)
Nowhere in the aya it says "on my own" Not trying to show off but I do understand a little bit of arabic.
Tafsir: and I do not say that I know the Unseen, because its knowledge is with Allah and I only know what He conveys of it to me. (This is the view of Ibn Kathir)
Check out this Ibn Kathir Tafsir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1008&Itemid=61
Some Authentic Translations
http://www.alim.org/library/quran/a...-they-know-the-unseen-or-that-they-are-angels
Listen to Dr. Israr Lecture above. This is very good.
﴿وَلا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ﴾nor (that) I know the Unseen,)
Nowhere in the aya it says "on my own" Not trying to show off but I do understand a little bit of arabic.
Tafsir: and I do not say that I know the Unseen, because its knowledge is with Allah and I only know what He conveys of it to me. (This is the view of Ibn Kathir)
Check out this Ibn Kathir Tafsir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1008&Itemid=61
Some Authentic Translations
http://www.alim.org/library/quran/a...-they-know-the-unseen-or-that-they-are-angels
Listen to Dr. Israr Lecture above. This is very good.
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