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barca

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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aamirksa

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
امریکا کسی کو دہشت گرد قرار دے بھی دے تو وہ کیا اکھاڑ لیگا ، زرداری کو مال کی ضرورت تھی اسی لئے اسنے الگ سے پیسے لے لئے اور باہر سے علان کردیا کے ہم نے فری میں سپلائی بھال کی ہے
 

khan27

Minister (2k+ posts)
امریکا کسی کو دہشت گرد قرار دے بھی دے تو وہ کیا اکھاڑ لیگا ، زرداری کو مال کی ضرورت تھی اسی لئے اسنے الگ سے پیسے لے لئے اور باہر سے علان کردیا کے ہم نے فری میں سپلائی بھال کی ہے

hona yeh tha inho ne wazirastan pe hamla kar dena tha america ko kuch nahi hota hamere mulk deshat gardi aur bhar jani thi..
 

oscar

Minister (2k+ posts)
نواز شریف اور آصف زرداری کے سوئس اکاونٹس میں 20 20 ملین ڈالر جمع کروا کر کام نکلوا لیا ہو گا۔
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
everybody in this dramma playing a role,,,,,,zardari and kiyani main characters and yesterdays long march mullahs rented tatus jsut to show the public we are not agree with decision,,,why did not they blocked supply lines???
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2012/07/pakistan-and-america

Pakistan and America

Making up

Jul 4th 2012, 14:35 by The Economist online



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AFTER seven months of bitter haggling, the word “sorry” has at last been uttered in Washington. That allows Pakistan to begin to restore its ties with America, after they were strained—almost to breaking—following the deaths, in November, of 24 Pakistani soldiers manning a post on the Afghan border. American aircraft killed the soldiers in a dreadful, and confusing, “friendly fire” incident. In retaliation, Pakistan stopped the transport across its territory of supplies for NATO forces in land-locked Afghanistan. That added at least $100m a month to the cost of that war, as the coalition turned to a much longer resupply route through central Asia.
Islamabad had demanded an apology and new terms for its alliance with America. Pakistan’s armed forces even suggested that the border deaths had been “deliberate at some level”.
But, after raising the stakes for itself, Pakistan managed to get surprisingly little out of the deal announced on July 3rd.
American officials had offered to say sorry back in February, and it is unclear what, if anything, changed in the subsequent months of talks. The apology itself sounds rather mealy-mouthed. America’s reluctance to apologise fully, in turn, is because of continued operations by Afghan insurgents, from Pakistani soil, who attack and kill NATO soldiers.
Pakistan dropped a plan for a transit tax (initially it sought $5,000 per lorry) on NATO supplies, which had in effect been given free passage since the Afghan war began in 2001. Now officials emphasise that what matters is not “financial gains” but “the issue of sovereignty”. Yet that leaves unclear just why Pakistan haggled for months about the money.
America will however release over $1 billion in reimbursements owed to Pakistan for the costs of military operations along the Afghan border, boosting the country’s anaemic budget. America is also likely to support a new IMF loan programme for Pakistan.
However, a demand for an end to missile strikes by unmanned American “drone” aircraft in Pakistan’s tribal areas is unlikely to be met.
It is possible that Pakistan submitted to decisive pressure behind the scenes. Some American officials want to pronounce as terrorist groups the Haqqani network, a fearsome Afghan insurgent outfit, and Jamat-ud-Dawa, an India-focused Islamic extremist organisation.
Both of these are comfortably based on Pakistani soil, which would make the country an official harbourer of terrorists.
The recent capture, in India, of an alleged militant who was apparently present in a Karachi “control room”, to help direct the devastating 2008 terrorist attack in the Indian city of Mumbai, may also have had an influence. Pakistan would much prefer to keep America as its ostensible ally, rather than a declared enemy.


Note: Barca bhai, Economist report mein "Possible" ka lafz hai. Means nothing really. Ye tou mehez kisi ka tajziya hai. Its possible kai John Allen nai Kiyani or Zardari ka nanga kar kai chitrol kiya ho jis kai bad ye Kul gai ho.
:P
Khair NATO supply kholnay ka faisala tou May may hoo chuka tah Chicago Summit se pehlay

I have another theory which I will paste below.
 
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zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
http://dawn.com/2012/05/14/lightning-strikes-security-installation/

Lightning strikes security installation
From the Newspaper | Mohammad Asghar | 14th May, 2012

RAWALPINDI, May 13: A substantial part of a section of a sensitive government installation in Kahuta was heavily damaged when its building was struck by lightning on Saturday night, Dawn learnt on Sunday through a security source.
The source said that during a thunderstorm at around 10.30pm on Saturday, the lightning struck the technical department of the installation, about 60km from Islamabad, and triggered a blaze.
Fire-fighters and senior officers reached the place soon after the flames engulfed the building. It took the department’s fire-fighters two hours to bring the fire under control.
By that time, the source said, over 65 per cent of the building had been gutted. He added that police and fire services of the civil administration were not involved in the operation. There was no casualty.
The report of the incident has been sent to relevant authorities, the source said.
No official word was available on the incident.
The installation, a multi-programme research institute of the government, is managed and operated under close scrutiny of the armed forces.

http://dawn.com/2012/05/14/lightning-strikes-security-installation/

PPI Original Text (PPI-OT) – 35th meeting of Tri Partite Commission held

Rawalpindi, May 13, 2012 (PPI-OT): 35th meeting of Tri Partite Commission was held between military authorities of Pakistan, Afghanistan and ISAF, today. The Commission provides a forum to raise and process contentious issues and facilitate settlement.
Talks focused on border control measures, and mechanisms put in place to avoid untoward incidents on both sides of Pak-Afghan Border.
Pakistan Army contingent was led by COAS, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. General John Allen, Commander ISAF and General Sher Muhammad Karimi, Chief of General Staff Afghan National Army headed respective delegations.
For more information, contact:
Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR)
Hilal Road, Rawalpindi, Pakistan
Tel: +9251 927 1605
Fax: +9251 927 1601
Email: [email protected]
http://www.pakistanpressreleases.co...-35th-meeting-of-tri-partite-commission-held/


U.S. and Pakistan Say Deal to Open NATO Supply Lines Is Imminent
By SALMAN MASOOD and ERIC SCHMITT
Published: May 15, 2012


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — American and Pakistani officials said Tuesday that a deal appeared imminent to reopen Afghan supply lines through Pakistan, after NATO extended an invitation for Pakistan to attend the summit meeting in Chicago this weekend.
Tankers used to transport NATO fuel supplies to Afghanistan were parked near the port in Karachi, Pakistan, on Tuesday.
Relations with the United States have remained deeply strained after an American airstrike on the Pakistani side of the border killed 24 soldiers in November, immediately leading Pakistan to close the supply routes through which NATO shipped about 40 percent of its nonlethal supplies. Pakistani lawmakers have demanded an unconditional apology for the strike and an end to American drone attacks on Pakistani soil, neither of which has happened.


Still, in recent weeks, Pakistani officials have begun publicly backpedaling on their demands and signaling that some deal on the supply lines could be reached, though no timetable on such a discussion was announced.


But officials in Washington, Brussels and Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital, said Tuesday that an agreement appeared at hand. The Pakistani cabinet’s defense committee on Tuesday night authorized Pakistani negotiators to strike a deal, although details still needed to be resolved.
Pakistan’s top military commanders are to meet with the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Wednesday, leading to speculation that a decision could be announced then.


“The next 24 to 48 hours are crucial,” one NATO official said. A senior American official added that the two sides were still “far apart” on what NATO would agree to pay Pakistan to use its supply routes.
Pakistan also wants an indemnity waiver in case American cargo is damaged, the official said.


Signals that a deal was in the works began when President Asif Ali Zardari’s spokesman, Farhatullah Babar, said on Tuesday that NATO had invited Mr. Zardari to the summit meeting and that he would consider attending “in the light of the Parliament’s guidelines and government’s advice.” But one senior government official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Zardari had already decided to accept. “Mr. Zardari is keen to attend the Chicago summit and will travel to the United States,” the official said.


American and NATO officials have considered it critical that Pakistan be represented at the conference, which is centered on Afghanistan’s future after the end of the NATO military mission there in 2014. Pakistan holds many of the cards when Afghanistan’s stability is involved, not least because many of the Taliban’s senior insurgent leaders are based on Pakistani soil.


“This meeting will underline the strong commitment of the international community to the people of Afghanistan and to its future,” Oana Lungescu, a spokeswoman for NATO headquarters in Brussels, said in a statement. “Pakistan has an important role to play in that future.”


Senior Obama administration officials said that there had been enough progress on talks, which have lasted weeks, to reopen the supply routes, and that the deal was close enough to extend the invitation to attend the summit meeting.


“We do want to see these land routes opened,” the State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, said in Washington. “We are continuing to work on it. But we thought it was important to have them at the summit in this partnership role.”


It is not yet clear whether President Obama would hold a separate meeting with Mr. Zardari, if the Pakistan leader attends, American officials said. Mr. Obama and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani met on the sidelines of a nuclear summit meeting in Seoul, South Korea, in March.


Many Pakistani officials said the NATO invitation was a critical step in helping secure a supply line deal. The public display of indecision over whether to attend was widely seen as playing to a domestic audience in which anti-American sentiment runs high.


Earlier on Monday, Hina Rabbani Khar, the Pakistani foreign minister, told reporters in Islamabad that six months after the Salala border episode, time had come to move on and that NATO supplies could not be stopped indefinitely.


“I think we need a closure on that and move on,” Ms. Khar said at a news briefing.


“We want to continue to be a facilitator, enabler and not a blocker,” Ms. Khar said. “Reopening will happen when it will happen. The issue is not just that of relations with the U.S. but with other 42 countries that have stakes in Afghanistan,” she said.


Senior American officials said the two sides had not yet resolved two other thorny issues: more than $1 billion in payments Pakistan says the United States owes for deploying some 150,000 troops along the border with Afghanistan; and an apology for the airstrike last November.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/w...o-meeting-with-an-eye-toward-afghanistan.html


Lightning strikes KRL
From the Newspaper | 19th May, 2012


THIS is apropos of a news item(May 14) regarding lightning strikes at KRL. The news item says: “A substantial part of a section of a sensitive government installation in Kahuta was heavily damaged when its building was struck by lightning on Saturday night, Dawn learnt on Sunday through a security source.”(Dawn.com).
I was surprised to read that how a lightning strike could cause such a big damage to the country’s most sensitive installation.
What made this news more shocking is that the next day a meeting was called at the presidency to discuss the Nato supply route opening. I hope both news don’t have any connection.

ABID EJAZ
Karachi

http://dawn.com/2012/05/19/lightning-strikes-krl/


Han tou Barca bhai Abid Saheb ki bath mein koi Wazan hai???
(serious)

I checked at the time us din Barish nahin howi Pindi mai. If any one has a weather report please share??

 
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Afaq Chaudhry

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
نیٹو سپلائی کی بحالی کیوں؟



عوام کا حکمرانوں سے سوال ہے: ناٹو سپلائی کیوں بحال کی؟ امریکا اور اس کے حواری بھنور میں بری طرح پھنس چکے تھے، ان کی کشتی کسی بھی لمحہ ڈوب سکتی تھی ڈوبتے ہوئے امریکا اور اس کی معیشت کو سہارا کیوں دیا گیا؟ تازہ دم امریکی اب افغانوں پر تازہ حملے کریں گے۔ بڑی مشہور کہاوت ہے کہ سانپ کو دودھ پلانے سے سانپ دوست نہیں بن جاتا، اس کی فطرت میں ڈسنا ہے، وہ ضرور ڈسے گا۔ اس کی زندہ مثال دتہ خیل پر ڈرون حملہ ہے۔ اس حملے میں 22 افراد جاں بحق اور درجنوں زخمی ہوئے۔ سوال پیدا ہوتا ہے کیا سپلائی لائن اس لیے کھولی گئی ہے کہ امریکا ہماری خودمختاری پر بار بار حملے کرے اور معصوم اور بے گناہ لوگوں کو جب چاہے خاک اور خون میں نہلادے! امریکا ایٹم بم کا نہ صرف موجد ہے بلکہ اسے معصوم لوگوں پر چلانے والا پہلا اور آخری ملک ہے۔ اس کی لائی ہوئی تباہی کے آثار آج بھی جاپان میں نمایاں ہیں۔ وہاں آج بھی معذور بچے پیدا ہورہے ہیں ۔ ہر ملک میں کچھ قاعدے قانون ہوتے ہیں، مگر ہمارے ملک میں کون سا قاعدہ اور قانون ہے؟ صدر اور وزیراعظم ملک کے آزاد اور خودمختار ہونے کے دعوے کرتے ہیں مگر حکم امریکا کا چل رہا ہے۔ خارجہ پالیسی مکمل طور پر امریکا کی منشا کے مطابق بنتی ہے۔ امریکا کے کہنے پر بھارت سے مذاکرات شروع کیے جاتے ہیں اور ازلی دشمن سے بجلی خریدنے کی اجازت دی جاتی ہے۔ ناٹو سپلائی کی بحالی کے بعد امریکا بہادر کو ایران سے گیس لینے پر تحفظات ہیں۔ ملک میں گیس نہ ہونے کی وجہ سے عوام بے حد تنگ ہیں۔ گھروں میں گیس نہیں۔ سی این جی دو تین دن بند رہتی ہے۔ لوگوں کی لمبی قطاریں لگی رہتی ہیں اور صنعت کا پہیہ رکا ہوا ہے جس کی وجہ سے بے روزگاری میں ہر روز اضافہ ہورہا ہے۔ بھوک اور افلاس نے لوگوں کو خودکشیاں کرنے پر مجبور کردیا ہے، مگر ایران سے تیل اور بجلی نہیں لے سکتے۔ یہ سب اعتراضات اس لیے ہیں کہ کہیں پاکستان کے عوام خوش حال نہ ہوجائیں۔ پاکستانی عوام امریکا اور اس کے زرخرید حکمرانوں کے غلام بن کر رہیں۔ عوام کی سوچ صرف روٹی تک ہونی چاہیے، کیونکہ خوش حال قومیں آزادی اور خودمختاری سے فیصلے کرتی ہیں جو امریکا کو قبول نہیں۔ ناٹو سپلائی پر پوری قوم کو تحفظات ہیں۔ اس پر ملک کے طول و عرض میں عوام احتجاج، بڑے بڑے مظاہرے اور لانگ مارچ کرنے پر مجبور ہوئے ہیں۔ اس کے باوجود امریکا ہر قیمت پر سپلائی جاری رکھنا چاہتا ہے، کیونکہ امریکا کی بقا اسی میں ہے۔ ناٹو سپلائی اس وقت امریکا کے لیے آکسیجن کی حیثیت
رکھتی ہے، جب تک یہ سپلائی بحال ہے، اُس کی نبض چلتی رہے گی۔


http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/index.php?page=03&date=2012-07-10

 
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SSR_31952

Senator (1k+ posts)
100% same reasons were given by Saithi in Apas ki baat few days ago.

And i do agree with these two main reasons behind opening NATO supply.
 

<ChOuDhArY>

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@ Barca

Some error in the title.. Pakistan ko naehin Pakistan kay ghatiya hukmaranoo koo.. the worse warning would be that USA will seal all the foreign accounts of Zardari and Nawaz.. and they can't afford that ..so they open the NATO supplies.
 

ranaji

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
امریکا کسی کو دہشت گرد قرار دے بھی دے تو وہ کیا اکھاڑ لیگا ، زرداری کو مال کی ضرورت تھی اسی لئے اسنے الگ سے پیسے لے لئے اور باہر سے علان کردیا کے ہم نے فری میں سپلائی بھال کی ہے
log kehtey hain kiyani aur zardari ney partener ship mai paisa wasool karr ke yeh supply kholi hai millions of dollars unkey foreign accounts mai
aa chukey hain issi wastey free supply kholi hai qoum ko chahiya keh kiyani zardari ki milli bhagat ka notice lai aur agar yeh sach hai to dono ko expose karey
 

ranaji

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
نواز شریف اور آصف زرداری کے سوئس اکاونٹس میں 20 20 ملین ڈالر جمع کروا کر کام نکلوا لیا ہو گا۔
kiyani bhi inn ki milli bhagat mai shamil hai issi wastey sabb corps commanders chupp hain
 

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