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Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
منافق کی نشانی یہ ھوتی ھے کہ وھ جس بندنے سے دشمنی ھو اس کو اس کے اچھے کاموں کا کریڈٹ بھی نھیں دیتا اور من گھڑت نامعلوم گمنام سے لوگ ڈھونڈھ کر جنکا نام بھی عوام نے پھلی بار سنا ھو انھیں ھیرو بنا دیتا ھے
حامد میر نے اس کالم مین یھی بددیانتی کی ھے۔میری نظر میں مشرف کادور زرداری کے پانچ سالوں اور نواز لیگ کے موجودھ دور سے حد درجہ نہتر تھا۔اس دور میں عوام پر کوی بے جا ٹیکس نھیں لگایا گیا تھا۔لوڈشیڈنگ نھیں تھی۔لال مسجد کے غیرملکی ایجنٹس سے ملک کو چھٹکارا دلانا بھی مشرف کا ایک سنھری کارنامہ تھا۔اور اگر مشرف کو نواز لیگ جیسی اکثریتی حکومت کی سپورٹ مل جاتی تو وھ بھت کام کا بندھ تھا بے حد پروگریسو تھا۔
مشرف نے میڈیا میں انقلاب برپا کیا اور حامدمیر کے وھ صحافی ھیرو جو پینتیس سال سے جدوجھد کر رھے تھے اور نتیجہ ان کی کوشش کا صفر ھوتا تھا ان کو مشرف نے کامیاب کیا اور اس کے دور میں بھت سارے چینلز کھل گئے۔اگر مشرف میڈیا کو آزاد نہ کرتا تو یہ کچھ بھی نھیں کر سکتے تھے۔سواے ھاتھ باندھ کر مودب کھڑے ھونے کے حامد میر تم اپنی دشمنی میں غلط بیانی تو نہ کرو۔
 

Desi_Action

Banned
میں نے سوچا کہ شاید گوجرخان کے مشہور درویش کی کوئی داستان ہوگی۔ بقول ہارون رشید گوجرخانی ملنگ کے، وہاں سے تحریک انصاف کا کوئی نمائندہ جیتے گا۔ پشین گوئی تو سچ ثابت نا ہوئی کیا اب اسکو بھی کاذب ملنگ کہا جائے۔
 

akbar41

Senator (1k+ posts)
aik tera abba bhi darwesh tha, ghadar ibne ghadar, we wouldnt read ur column never listen u, HAMID MIR JAFFAR
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
منافق کی نشانی یہ ھوتی ھے کہ وھ جس بندنے سے دشمنی ھو اس کو اس کے اچھے کاموں کا کریڈٹ بھی نھیں دیتا اور من گھڑت نامعلوم گمنام سے لوگ ڈھونڈھ کر جنکا نام بھی عوام نے پھلی بار سنا ھو انھیں ھیرو بنا دیتا ھے
حامد میر نے اس کالم مین یھی بددیانتی کی ھے۔میری نظر میں مشرف کادور زرداری کے پانچ سالوں اور نواز لیگ کے موجودھ دور سے حد درجہ نہتر تھا۔اس دور میں عوام پر کوی بے جا ٹیکس نھیں لگایا گیا تھا۔لوڈشیڈنگ نھیں تھی۔لال مسجد کے غیرملکی ایجنٹس سے ملک کو چھٹکارا دلانا بھی مشرف کا ایک سنھری کارنامہ تھا۔اور اگر مشرف کو نواز لیگ جیسی اکثریتی حکومت کی سپورٹ مل جاتی تو وھ بھت کام کا بندھ تھا بے حد پروگریسو تھا۔
مشرف نے میڈیا میں انقلاب برپا کیا اور حامدمیر کے وھ صحافی ھیرو جو پینتیس سال سے جدوجھد کر رھے تھے اور نتیجہ ان کی کوشش کا صفر ھوتا تھا ان کو مشرف نے کامیاب کیا اور اس کے دور میں بھت سارے چینلز کھل گئے۔اگر مشرف میڈیا کو آزاد نہ کرتا تو یہ کچھ بھی نھیں کر سکتے تھے۔سواے ھاتھ باندھ کر مودب کھڑے ھونے کے حامد میر تم اپنی دشمنی میں غلط بیانی تو نہ کرو۔
but you fail to notice the fact that musharaf sowed the seeds for utter destruction of Pakistan .so he is to be blamed more than zerdari or Nawaz.imagine if he had not broken civil govt in 1999 on American behest.pakistan would be economicaly much stronger now.in 99 corruption was less and Pakistan economy as up.musharaf the qadiani sold everything to America and india......musharafs time was little better than zerdari and shareefs present govt time because he was enjoying the stable Pakistan shareef had left in 99.what corruption he did in Pakistan ,its fruits now zerdari and after zerdari shareefs are reaping...but ofcourse zerdari the rafdi was also very corrupt.as corrupt as musharaf
 

haidhu80

MPA (400+ posts)
منافق کی نشانی یہ ھوتی ھے کہ وھ جس بندنے سے دشمنی ھو اس کو اس کے اچھے کاموں کا کریڈٹ بھی نھیں دیتا اور من گھڑت نامعلوم گمنام سے لوگ ڈھونڈھ کر جنکا نام بھی عوام نے پھلی بار سنا ھو انھیں ھیرو بنا دیتا ھے
حامد میر نے اس کالم مین یھی بددیانتی کی ھے۔میری نظر میں مشرف کادور زرداری کے پانچ سالوں اور نواز لیگ کے موجودھ دور سے حد درجہ نہتر تھا۔اس دور میں عوام پر کوی بے جا ٹیکس نھیں لگایا گیا تھا۔لوڈشیڈنگ نھیں تھی۔لال مسجد کے غیرملکی ایجنٹس سے ملک کو چھٹکارا دلانا بھی مشرف کا ایک سنھری کارنامہ تھا۔اور اگر مشرف کو نواز لیگ جیسی اکثریتی حکومت کی سپورٹ مل جاتی تو وھ بھت کام کا بندھ تھا بے حد پروگریسو تھا۔
مشرف نے میڈیا میں انقلاب برپا کیا اور حامدمیر کے وھ صحافی ھیرو جو پینتیس سال سے جدوجھد کر رھے تھے اور نتیجہ ان کی کوشش کا صفر ھوتا تھا ان کو مشرف نے کامیاب کیا اور اس کے دور میں بھت سارے چینلز کھل گئے۔اگر مشرف میڈیا کو آزاد نہ کرتا تو یہ کچھ بھی نھیں کر سکتے تھے۔سواے ھاتھ باندھ کر مودب کھڑے ھونے کے حامد میر تم اپنی دشمنی میں غلط بیانی تو نہ کرو۔
برادر محترم، میں کھبی بھی یہ نہیں مانونگا کہ مشرف کا دور اچھا تھا۔ ملک کو برباد کردیا اس نے اور لعل مسجد اپریشن بھی غلط تھا۔ جہاں تک میڈیا کی آزاری کا تعلق ہے تو اس نے یہ آزاری اسلئے نہیں دی کہ میڈیا سچ بات کہے بلکہ اسلئے کہ ٹی وی پر لڑکیاں ناچ رہی ہو، یہ خود بھی ناچ رہا ہو اور دنیا کو دکھا سکے کہ ہم لبرل اور آزاد خیال لوگ ہیں۔ اگر اسے پتہ ہوتا کہ میڈیا پر لڑکیاں ناچینگی یا نہیں لیکن اس کے پیچھے ضرور پڑ جاتی تو یہ کھبی بھی میڈیا کو آزادی نہ دیتا۔ زرداری ہو یا نواز، ہم کم از کم یہ کہہ سکتے ہیں کہ یہ لوگ چلے جائینگے ذیادہ سے ذیادہ پانچ سالوں میں اور کوئی ایسا فیصلہ اتنی آسانی سے نہیں کرینگے جتنی آسانی سے مشرف کرتا تھا۔
 

Khalid2008

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
برادر محترم، میں کھبی بھی یہ نہیں مانونگا کہ مشرف کا دور اچھا تھا۔ ملک کو برباد کردیا اس نے اور لعل مسجد اپریشن بھی غلط تھا۔ جہاں تک میڈیا کی آزاری کا تعلق ہے تو اس نے یہ آزاری اسلئے نہیں دی کہ میڈیا سچ بات کہے بلکہ اسلئے کہ ٹی وی پر لڑکیاں ناچ رہی ہو، یہ خود بھی ناچ رہا ہو اور دنیا کو دکھا سکے کہ ہم لبرل اور آزاد خیال لوگ ہیں۔ اگر اسے پتہ ہوتا کہ میڈیا پر لڑکیاں ناچینگی یا نہیں لیکن اس کے پیچھے ضرور پڑ جاتی تو یہ کھبی بھی میڈیا کو آزادی نہ دیتا۔ زرداری ہو یا نواز، ہم کم از کم یہ کہہ سکتے ہیں کہ یہ لوگ چلے جائینگے ذیادہ سے ذیادہ پانچ سالوں میں اور کوئی ایسا فیصلہ اتنی آسانی سے نہیں کرینگے جتنی آسانی سے مشرف کرتا تھا۔

Dear bro, I respect your sentiments, but Lal Masjid operation was proven correct. you must be in the knowledge, that a judicial officials probed into the matter and determined the killings of the Lal Masjid, which revealed only 93 terrorist killed and 11 soldiers got Shahadat. History proved, his most of the decisions were correct.
1. Lal Masjid operation were correct
2. Bugti Operation was correct.
3. South Waziristan operation correct.
4. Freedom of Media was correct.
5. Chief justice dismissed through supreme judicial coucil.
We agree, Musharraf was not a perfect man, he has the human flaw like everyone else. But, his tenure was better then Zardari and Nawaz. On the other hand, Hamid Mir is follower of Mir Jaffer. His father Waris Mir against Pakistan, due to which he got award from Bangladesh. We should not forget, we've to back up our Army and Forces to raise their morale, rather discourage our soldiers who are sacrificing their lives every day for us.
 
Yes mushraf is right person he done well for his nation What was wrong that time If some thing so what every ware happened We need leader like mushrf Who can take brave decision Not mian or zar. Political joker Anyway all nation Going on wrong way first of all we need to go right way after that we can see what is correct now" HAMAM My sab NANGAY Hay"

KARLAL
 

haidhu80

MPA (400+ posts)
Dear bro, I respect your sentiments, but Lal Masjid operation was proven correct. you must be in the knowledge, that a judicial officials probed into the matter and determined the killings of the Lal Masjid, which revealed only 93 terrorist killed and 11 soldiers got Shahadat. History proved, his most of the decisions were correct.
1. Lal Masjid operation were correct
2. Bugti Operation was correct.
3. South Waziristan operation correct.
4. Freedom of Media was correct.
5. Chief justice dismissed through supreme judicial coucil.
We agree, Musharraf was not a perfect man, he has the human flaw like everyone else. But, his tenure was better then Zardari and Nawaz. On the other hand, Hamid Mir is follower of Mir Jaffer. His father Waris Mir against Pakistan, due to which he got award from Bangladesh. We should not forget, we've to back up our Army and Forces to raise their morale, rather discourage our soldiers who are sacrificing their lives every day for us.

Brother!!! I have to disagree with you on each and every point. All the above decisions you talked might be true but the way they were handled destroyed our country. I have to tell the truth and give my opinion. I respect your opinion but I totally disagree with them. Now one by one to your replies:
1. The way Lal Masjid was handled was a disaster. The beginning and cause of Suicide attacks in Pakistan.
2. Bugti who has been a chief Minister of Baluchistan and many people in Baluchistan loved him like a god was killed and like this Baluchis became enemies of Pakistan.
3. South Waziristan answer is like the first one. The way Lal Masjid was handled the same way Waziristan was handled and consequences are the same.
4. Freedom of media he gave but to give the world the impression that we are liberal country. Girls started dancing on the TV and he himself was dancing. Didn't even care that this is an Islamic country and majority of people don't like these kind of cheap tactics.
5. Chief Justice was illegally removed from his office. In those days Musharraf became pharaoh and he thought he can do everything coz Americans were on his side. Majority of the decisions made by Cheif Justice were in favour of Pakistan.

And last but not least, we should not protect for everything our army does. if they did something bad in Bangladesh, we should say it coz if we had learnt from those mistake, Baluchis would not have been like this. Don't you think Pakistan become Only Punjab??? Where are we heading to????

If I have a gun we 2 bullets in it and I have Musharraf and Bush in front of me, I will shoot Musharraf twice.
 

Khalid2008

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Brother!!! I have to disagree with you on each and every point. All the above decisions you talked might be true but the way they were handled destroyed our country. I have to tell the truth and give my opinion. I respect your opinion but I totally disagree with them. Now one by one to your replies:
1. The way Lal Masjid was handled was a disaster. The beginning and cause of Suicide attacks in Pakistan.
2. Bugti who has been a chief Minister of Baluchistan and many people in Baluchistan loved him like a god was killed and like this Baluchis became enemies of Pakistan.
3. South Waziristan answer is like the first one. The way Lal Masjid was handled the same way Waziristan was handled and consequences are the same.
4. Freedom of media he gave but to give the world the impression that we are liberal country. Girls started dancing on the TV and he himself was dancing. Didn't even care that this is an Islamic country and majority of people don't like these kind of cheap tactics.
5. Chief Justice was illegally removed from his office. In those days Musharraf became pharaoh and he thought he can do everything coz Americans were on his side. Majority of the decisions made by Cheif Justice were in favour of Pakistan.

And last but not least, we should not protect for everything our army does. if they did something bad in Bangladesh, we should say it coz if we had learnt from those mistake, Baluchis would not have been like this. Don't you think Pakistan become Only Punjab??? Where are we heading to????

If I have a gun we 2 bullets in it and I have Musharraf and Bush in front of me, I will shoot Musharraf twice.

Thanks for your comments and reply.
1. Do you exactly know, how Lal Masjid operation was handled? Certainly not.........your facts based on media reports and discussion on TV
2. Now, my only answer for your all replies is, A person who has to make the decisions has to think a lot and take a lot of care. To be honest, I dont want to tell you what was my status, but I was in certain position where I physically involved, checked and analyzed all three major episodes i,e Bugti operation with all it's post and after operation scenario, Lal Masjid and Chief Justice. Everyone know, how BLA is funded and who is behind them. Similarly, other operation. Lastly, as he is a human like you. Pakistan filled with all kinds of weapons, get gun and shoot him.
 

haidhu80

MPA (400+ posts)
Thanks for your comments and reply.
1. Do you exactly know, how Lal Masjid operation was handled? Certainly not.........your facts based on media reports and discussion on TV
2. Now, my only answer for your all replies is, A person who has to make the decisions has to think a lot and take a lot of care. To be honest, I dont want to tell you what was my status, but I was in certain position where I physically involved, checked and analyzed all three major episodes i,e Bugti operation with all it's post and after operation scenario, Lal Masjid and Chief Justice. Everyone know, how BLA is funded and who is behind them. Similarly, other operation. Lastly, as he is a human like you. Pakistan filled with all kinds of weapons, get gun and shoot him.

Dear brother thank you very much for correcting me. May I ask what our intelligence services were doing when all this so called weapons were gathering in Lal Masjid?? What was our security services doing when Fazlullah was operating his FM channel and was collecting millions on the name of Jihad and Islam?? Musharraf needed all these people to prolong his power. You must have been on the front line but I am from Swat and I am a lawyer and all this happened in front of my eyes. I prefer Zardari over Musharraf coz we were responsible for bringing Zardari in but we didn't bring Musharraf. And I don't need to shoot him, I want him to live long now. I pray for his long life now coz after so much power, he is so powerless that he cannot come out of his own house....
 

Khalid2008

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dear brother thank you very much for correcting me. May I ask what our intelligence services were doing when all this so called weapons were gathering in Lal Masjid?? What was our security services doing when Fazlullah was operating his FM channel and was collecting millions on the name of Jihad and Islam?? Musharraf needed all these people to prolong his power. You must have been on the front line but I am from Swat and I am a lawyer and all this happened in front of my eyes. I prefer Zardari over Musharraf coz we were responsible for bringing Zardari in but we didn't bring Musharraf. And I don't need to shoot him, I want him to live long now. I pray for his long life now coz after so much power, he is so powerless that he cannot come out of his own house....
First of all, I appreciate the way you post and write your opinion. I've hardly posted any reply to anyone in my past, because, majority of the people are very vocal and don't respect each others.
I still remember, when Lal Masjid clerics gathering their weapons, their van was caught by the ISI. Mr. Ijaz ul Haq was our religious minister, by his order all ceased weapons and persons were released.
In one of the briefing to jounalists in NDC ( National Defence College), President Musharraf was asked the same question by Hamid Mir," Why Government is not taking the action on Lal Masjid miscreants? it seems Government herself is involved" Musharraf said, " If I take action, you people will be first one, who blamed Army for this operation. Hamid Mir said, no sir, we will not report it, rather we support this operation in the favour of Pak Army. Later, every one has seen, what happend. Same Hamid Mir, took U turn and repeated the same as his father did.
So, my friend, there are lot many things which doesn't seems true or false,but lot many things behind the scenes.
Musharraf got everything in his life, money, fame, highest appointment in Pakistan. He could have safely spend his rest of life. But, he has come to prove all allegations and to face the court charges. I'm sure, truth will unveiled. However, if we don't like a person, then we dont see any thing positive in him/her. If we like a person, we fore go his /her each mistake and error.