What is the definition of Hero, In context of Ranjeet Singh and Raja Dahir

[AhmadSaleem264]

What is the definition of hero? being a local of a land and fight against a foreigner is a very vague definition of hero as the one who are local now were also the invaders at one time. The ancestors of both raja dahir and ranjeet singh were aryans who invaded the civilized dravidians and destroyed the indus valley civilization. In some circumstances the local ruler could be an oppressor and the guy from outside could be a savior. In my opinion the right definition of hero is the guy who treats people under his rule equally and fairly and make state take care of vulnerable and weak. If a foreigner mixes himself with locals and give them all the rights he cant be called as an oppressor remember Asoka was also an invader but history remembers him as a hero.

 

[famamdani]

عرب نہ تو کسی طرح رحم دل تھے اور نہ ہی ہمارے ہیرو۔۔ عرب کی تاریخ پڑھ لیں، یہ ہمیشہ سے قتل و غارت گری میں ملوث رہے، چھوٹی چھوٹی باتوں پر قبیلوں کے قبیلے آپس میں لڑپڑتے تھے اور ایک دوسرے کی گردنیں کاٹ دیتے تھے۔ یہاں تک کہ جانور کو پانی پلانے پر بھی لڑمرتے تھے۔۔ حقیقت میں عرب لوگ جنگلی اور اجڈ لوگ تھے۔ وحشی لوگ تھے، قافلوں کی لوٹ مار اور جنگوں کی مالِ غنیمت ان کا مرکزی ذریعہ آمدن تھا۔۔ اسلام آنے کے بعد ان کے جنگلی پن کو ایک بہت بڑا سہارا اور ہتھیار مل گیا کیونکہ اسلام سے قبل یہ بکھرے ہوئے تھے اور اسلام کے جھنڈے تلے یہ متحد ہوگئے۔۔ لہذا انہوں نے ارد گرد کے علاقوں پر ہلا بولنا شروع کردیا اور علاقوں کے علاقے فتح کردیئے۔۔ جہاں جاتے یہ قتل و غارتگری کی مثالیں قائم کرتے۔۔ سندھ پر محمد بن قاسم کی یلغار بھی عرب کی مہم جوئی تھی۔ محمد بن قاسم کسی طرح ہمارا ہیرو نہیں، یہ ایک لٹیرا تھا، جس نے سندھ پر مہم جوئی کی، لاشوں کے انبار لگائے ، لوگوں کو زبردستی مسلمان کیا۔۔ ​

you used the word Hum pls change this you must write (my opinion) secondly Islam was not a supporting element , it is a revolution, till End of the World (if we Understand ) ........Thanks

 

[knowledge88]

عرب نہ تو کسی طرح رحم دل تھے اور نہ ہی ہمارے ہیرو۔۔ عرب کی تاریخ پڑھ لیں، یہ ہمیشہ سے قتل و غارت گری میں ملوث رہے، چھوٹی چھوٹی باتوں پر قبیلوں کے قبیلے آپس میں لڑپڑتے تھے اور ایک دوسرے کی گردنیں کاٹ دیتے تھے۔ یہاں تک کہ جانور کو پانی پلانے پر بھی لڑمرتے تھے۔۔ حقیقت میں عرب لوگ جنگلی اور اجڈ لوگ تھے۔ وحشی لوگ تھے، قافلوں کی لوٹ مار اور جنگوں کی مالِ غنیمت ان کا مرکزی ذریعہ آمدن تھا۔۔ اسلام آنے کے بعد ان کے جنگلی پن کو ایک بہت بڑا سہارا اور ہتھیار مل گیا کیونکہ اسلام سے قبل یہ بکھرے ہوئے تھے اور اسلام کے جھنڈے تلے یہ متحد ہوگئے۔۔ لہذا انہوں نے ارد گرد کے علاقوں پر ہلا بولنا شروع کردیا اور علاقوں کے علاقے فتح کردیئے۔۔ جہاں جاتے یہ قتل و غارتگری کی مثالیں قائم کرتے۔۔ سندھ پر محمد بن قاسم کی یلغار بھی عرب کی مہم جوئی تھی۔ محمد بن قاسم کسی طرح ہمارا ہیرو نہیں، یہ ایک لٹیرا تھا، جس نے سندھ پر مہم جوئی کی، لاشوں کے انبار لگائے ، لوگوں کو زبردستی مسلمان کیا۔۔ ​

Aap nay likha Hay kay Islam aanay kay baad Arabs kah janglee pan dooor hoh Gaya tha.
Phir Aap nay Muhammad bin Qasim koh Lutera likha hay.
Laikin Muhammad Bin Qasim Toh Islam anay kay baad yahaan aya tha.
Kya Islam anay kay baad bhi Arab Luteray thay?

 

[thayab]

عرب نہ تو کسی طرح رحم دل تھے اور نہ ہی ہمارے ہیرو۔۔ عرب کی تاریخ پڑھ لیں، یہ ہمیشہ سے قتل و غارت گری میں ملوث رہے، چھوٹی چھوٹی باتوں پر قبیلوں کے قبیلے آپس میں لڑپڑتے تھے اور ایک دوسرے کی گردنیں کاٹ دیتے تھے۔ یہاں تک کہ جانور کو پانی پلانے پر بھی لڑمرتے تھے۔۔ حقیقت میں عرب لوگ جنگلی اور اجڈ لوگ تھے۔ وحشی لوگ تھے، قافلوں کی لوٹ مار اور جنگوں کی مالِ غنیمت ان کا مرکزی ذریعہ آمدن تھا۔۔ اسلام آنے کے بعد ان کے جنگلی پن کو ایک بہت بڑا سہارا اور ہتھیار مل گیا کیونکہ اسلام سے قبل یہ بکھرے ہوئے تھے اور اسلام کے جھنڈے تلے یہ متحد ہوگئے۔۔ لہذا انہوں نے ارد گرد کے علاقوں پر ہلا بولنا شروع کردیا اور علاقوں کے علاقے فتح کردیئے۔۔ جہاں جاتے یہ قتل و غارتگری کی مثالیں قائم کرتے۔۔ سندھ پر محمد بن قاسم کی یلغار بھی عرب کی مہم جوئی تھی۔ محمد بن قاسم کسی طرح ہمارا ہیرو نہیں، یہ ایک لٹیرا تھا، جس نے سندھ پر مہم جوئی کی، لاشوں کے انبار لگائے ، لوگوں کو زبردستی مسلمان کیا۔۔ ​

Do you have historically verified evidence to back up your claims or is it hearsay? As a Muslim I believe that Islam was sent as a guiding light and justice to mankind. Wherever there is injustice then Islam should prevail. Nowhere is Islam allowed to be forced onto the population. You are using arguments perpetuated by Christian Orientalists to malign Islam. People better than me have already rebutted these arguments and there is much available on the net if you care to read it for yourself.

 

[famamdani]

Do you have historically verified evidence to back up your claims or is it hearsay? As a Muslim I believe that Islam was sent as a guiding light and justice to mankind. Wherever there is injustice then Islam should prevail. Nowhere is Islam allowed to be forced onto the population. You are using arguments perpetuated by Christian Orientalists to malign Islam. People better than me have already rebutted these arguments and there is much available on the net if you care to read it for yourself.

I feel some thing in his message it´s HURT.......or Dislike ...... First Against Arab , Second Against Islam , Third Against Mohammad bin Qasim...................and Last Convert to Islam with Power.... ? ? ? but all without any Proof

 

[Scholar1]

عرب نہ تو کسی طرح رحم دل تھے اور نہ ہی ہمارے ہیرو۔۔ عرب کی تاریخ پڑھ لیں، یہ ہمیشہ سے قتل و غارت گری میں ملوث رہے، چھوٹی چھوٹی باتوں پر قبیلوں کے قبیلے آپس میں لڑپڑتے تھے اور ایک دوسرے کی گردنیں کاٹ دیتے تھے۔ یہاں تک کہ جانور کو پانی پلانے پر بھی لڑمرتے تھے۔۔ حقیقت میں عرب لوگ جنگلی اور اجڈ لوگ تھے۔ وحشی لوگ تھے، قافلوں کی لوٹ مار اور جنگوں کی مالِ غنیمت ان کا مرکزی ذریعہ آمدن تھا۔۔ اسلام آنے کے بعد ان کے جنگلی پن کو ایک بہت بڑا سہارا اور ہتھیار مل گیا کیونکہ اسلام سے قبل یہ بکھرے ہوئے تھے اور اسلام کے جھنڈے تلے یہ متحد ہوگئے۔۔ لہذا انہوں نے ارد گرد کے علاقوں پر ہلا بولنا شروع کردیا اور علاقوں کے علاقے فتح کردیئے۔۔ جہاں جاتے یہ قتل و غارتگری کی مثالیں قائم کرتے۔۔ سندھ پر محمد بن قاسم کی یلغار بھی عرب کی مہم جوئی تھی۔ محمد بن قاسم کسی طرح ہمارا ہیرو نہیں، یہ ایک لٹیرا تھا، جس نے سندھ پر مہم جوئی کی، لاشوں کے انبار لگائے ، لوگوں کو زبردستی مسلمان کیا۔۔ ​

Lanat taray par Harami Hindu. Everyone know on the forum that you and Liberal 000 are paid hindus

 

[Liberal 000]

Lanat taray par Harami Hindu. Everyone know on the forum that you and Liberal 000 are paid hindus

I think you haven't read Quran . Quran declared Arabs the worst people on earth number of Times worst than Jews . Molvis do not let you know that they translate word Arab as Badho

 

[Moin123]

In my opinion HERO is a relative term. Abhinanadan is a hero for Indians & villain for Pakistanis; Ghaznavi is a villain for Indians & a hero for Pakistanis. We cannot label any person to be hero or villain.
So let the people call hero or villain who ever they want. We should not try to force our opinion to anyone

 

[Zinda_Rood]

Lanat taray par Harami Hindu. Everyone know on the forum that you and Liberal 000 are paid hindus

جب جواب نہ ہو تو گالی۔۔۔۔ دلیل ہوتی تو گالیوں سے کام نہ چلتے نکمے ان پڑھ آدمی۔۔۔​

 

[Eigoroll]

I think you haven't read Quran . Quran declared Arabs the worst people on earth number of Times worst than Jews . Molvis do not let you know that they translate word Arab as Badho

Can you share the verse where it is stated that Arabs were the worst on the earth and where the comparison was made between Arabs and Jews

 

[Scholar1]

I think you haven't read Quran . Quran declared Arabs the worst people on earth number of Times worst than Jews . Molvis do not let you know that they translate word Arab as Badho

Kya bakwas kar raha hai hindu harami

 

[Liberal 000]

Can you share the verse where it is stated that Arabs were the worst on the earth and where the comparison was made between Arabs and Jews

The word al-a’Arab and not Arabs is mentioned 10 times in the Koran and in many works translated incorrectly as [Bedouins]. It is more reasonable to distinguish between the difference between the Arabs and al-a’Arab as between genuine Arabs and the Arabized Turkic settlers;
***9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)
90. And those who made excuses from the Bedouins came (to you, O Prophet ) asking your permission to exempt them (from the battle), and those who had lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home (without asking the permission for it); a painful torment will seize those of them who disbelieve.
97. The Bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits (Allah’s Commandments and His Legal Laws, etc.) which Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.
98. And of the Bedouins there are some who look upon what they spend (in Allah’s Cause) as a fine and watch for calamities for you, on them be the calamity of evil. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
99. And of the Bedouins there are some who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look upon what they spend in Allah’s Cause as approaches to Allah, and a cause of receiving the Messenger’s invocations. Indeed these (spending in Allah’s Cause) are an approach for them. Allah will admit them to His Mercy. Certainly Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
101. And among the Bedouins round about you, some are hypocrites, and so are some among the people of Al-Madinah, they exaggerate and persist in hypocrisy, you (O Muhammad ) know them not, We know them. We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment.
120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the Bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allah, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allah wastes not the reward of the Muhsinun
***33. Surah Al-Ahzab (The Confederates)
20. They think that Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) have not yet withdrawn, and if Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) should come (again), they would wish they were in the deserts (wandering) among the Bedouins, seeking news about you (from a far place); and if they (happen) to be among you, they would not fight but little.
***48. Surah Al-Fath (The Victory)
11. Those of the Bedouins who lagged behind will say to you: “Our possessions and our families occupied us, so ask forgiveness for us.” They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: “Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if He intends you hurt or intends you benefit? Nay, but Allah is Ever All-Aware of what you do.
16. Say (O Muhammad ) to the Bedouins who lagged behind: “You shall be called to fight against a people given to great warfare, then you shall fight them, or they shall surrender. Then if you obey, Allah will give you a fair reward, but if you turn away as you did turn away before, He will punish you with a painful torment.”
***49. Surah Al-Hujuraat (The Dwellings)
14. The Bedouins say: “We believe.” Say: “You believe not but you only say, ‘We have surrendered (in Islam),’ for Faith has not yet entered your hearts. But if you obey Allah and His Messenger ( ), He will not decrease anything in reward for your deeds. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The word Arab [pronounced as Arab] is mentioned 12 times in the Koran and in all cases it describe the language and not the people;
***12. Surah Yusuf (Prophet Joseph)
2. Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an in order that you may understand.
***13. Surah Ar-Ra’d (The Thunder)
37. And thus have We sent it (the Qur’an) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad ) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or defender against Allah.
***16. Surah An-Nahl (The Bees)
103. And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: “It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad ).” The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur’an) is a clear Arabic tongue.
***20. Surah Ta-Ha
113. And thus We have sent it down as a Qur’an in Arabic, and have explained therein in detail the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause them to have a lesson from it (or to have the honour for believing and acting on its teachings).
***26. Surah Ash-Shu’ara’ (The Poets)
195. In the plain Arabic language.
***39. Surah Az-Zumar (The Groups)
28. An Arabic Qur’an, without any crookedness (therein) in order that they may avoid all evil which Allah has ordered them to avoid, fear Him and keep their duty to Him.
***41. Surah Fussilat (Explained in detail)
3. A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Qur’an in Arabic for people who know.
***42. Surah Ash-Shurah (The Consultation)
7. And thus We have inspired unto you (O Muhammad ) a Qur’an (in Arabic) that you may warn the Mother of the Towns (Makkah) and all around it. And warn of the Day of Assembling, of which there is no doubt, when a party will be in Paradise (those who believed in Allah and followed what Allah’s Messenger brought them) and a party in the blazing Fire (Hell) (those who disbelieved in Allah and followed not what Allah’s Messenger brought them)
***43. Surah Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments)
3. We verily, have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions).
***46. Surah Al-Ahqaf (The Curved Sand-hills)
12. And before this was the Scripture of Musa (Moses) as a guide and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book (the Qur’an) in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong, and as glad tidings to the Muhsinun (good-doers – see V.2:112).
***56. Surah Al-Waqi’ah (The Event)
37. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. [But this verse is not about Arab but about orban i.e. dalliance; trifling or coquetry]

 

[Eigoroll]

جنابِ عالی! ایمان اور اعتقاد رکھنے کا تعلق حقائق سے نہیں ہوتا، آپ کچھ بھی بیلیو کرتے رہیں، اس سے تاریخ اور حقائق کو کچھ فرق نہیں پڑتا۔۔ آپ اسلام کو ایک پرامن مذہب سمجھتے ہیں، کیونکہ آپ کو بچپن سے یہی سکھایا اور رٹایا گیا ہے اور ساتھ ساتھ ڈرایا بھی گیا ہے کہ اسلام پر کبھی تنقیدی نظر ڈالنے کی کوشش نہ کرنا۔۔۔ آپ قبیلہ بنو قریظہ کے سات سو افراد کے قتل عام کا واقعہ ہی پڑھ لیں، آپ کے سامنے اسلام کی حقیقت واضح ہوجائے گی۔۔ بچوں تک کو نہیں چھوڑا گیا ، شلواریں اتار اتار کر دیکھا جاتا، جس کے زیرناف بال اگے ہوتے اس کی وہیں گردن مار دی جاتی۔ ایک ہی دن میں سات سو افراد کا قتل۔۔۔
مزید برآں اسلام کس قدر امن ، ہم آہنگی کا درس دیتا ہے، اس کا اندازہ آپ ان آیات سے لگالیں۔۔

آپ مجھے یہ بتائیں کہ آج کے دور میں جو مسلمان مغربی ممالک میں یا غیر مسلم ممالک میں رہتے ہیں وہ کیا کریں، کیا وہ اپنے ارد گرد کسی غیر مسلم سے دوستی نہ کریں، سب سے الگ تھلگ کٹ کر رہیں۔۔ ۔۔؟؟؟ کیونکہ قرآن میں تو پوری کی پوری قوم سے دوستی سے منع کردیا گیا ہے۔۔ ​

جنابِ عالی! ایمان اور اعتقاد رکھنے کا تعلق حقائق سے نہیں ہوتا، آپ کچھ بھی بیلیو کرتے رہیں، اس سے تاریخ اور حقائق کو کچھ فرق نہیں پڑتا۔۔ آپ اسلام کو ایک پرامن مذہب سمجھتے ہیں، کیونکہ آپ کو بچپن سے یہی سکھایا اور رٹایا گیا ہے اور ساتھ ساتھ ڈرایا بھی گیا ہے کہ اسلام پر کبھی تنقیدی نظر ڈالنے کی کوشش نہ کرنا۔۔۔ آپ قبیلہ بنو قریظہ کے سات سو افراد کے قتل عام کا واقعہ ہی پڑھ لیں، آپ کے سامنے اسلام کی حقیقت واضح ہوجائے گی۔۔ بچوں تک کو نہیں چھوڑا گیا ، شلواریں اتار اتار کر دیکھا جاتا، جس کے زیرناف بال اگے ہوتے اس کی وہیں گردن مار دی جاتی۔ ایک ہی دن میں سات سو افراد کا قتل۔۔۔
مزید برآں اسلام کس قدر امن ، ہم آہنگی کا درس دیتا ہے، اس کا اندازہ آپ ان آیات سے لگالیں۔۔

آپ مجھے یہ بتائیں کہ آج کے دور میں جو مسلمان مغربی ممالک میں یا غیر مسلم ممالک میں رہتے ہیں وہ کیا کریں، کیا وہ اپنے ارد گرد کسی غیر مسلم سے دوستی نہ کریں، سب سے الگ تھلگ کٹ کر رہیں۔۔ ۔۔؟؟؟ کیونکہ قرآن میں تو پوری کی پوری قوم سے دوستی سے منع کردیا گیا ہے۔۔ ​

Those Muslims will treat those non Muslims with respect and dignity as they should treat any non Muslim. These verses are very simple for people who have common sense. It's for the situation when Christians and Jews were conspiring against Muslims and Muslims were asked to be vigilant and not to fall for the trap of them pretending to be friends.This simple idea applies to every individual living in any epoch belong to any creed or community. It implies to be careful from the people who you suspect harboring hate against you. Many Muslim scholars of the past and current have clarified this point but somehow it can't get through the skull of an islamophobe like you. You are the best illustration of this verse that not every person out there is an islamophobe but whoever is, be careful of them. Thank you for providing an example for us.

Banu Qureza story has so many nuances, caveats and loopholes. Many muslim and non Muslim scholars have casted their doubts on this matter that if I started on them it will take a long time and it still wouldn't convince you. As from your previous posts I have noticed that you live deep in filth and you are very satisfied there.

Muslim forum members, educate yourself on your faith. Find out why you are Muslim and why you should stay one. These people cherry pick issues which have much broader context and historical depth and attack you and all of you go quiet. Because you have no knowledge of your own deen.

Admins, freedom of speech doesn't mean you allow someone to disparge and attack islam in such manner. Asking questions and debating in a respectfull manner is most welcome but an onslaught shouldn't be.

 

[Eigoroll]

The word al-a’Arab and not Arabs is mentioned 10 times in the Koran and in many works translated incorrectly as [Bedouins]. It is more reasonable to distinguish between the difference between the Arabs and al-a’Arab as between genuine Arabs and the Arabized Turkic settlers;
***9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)
90. And those who made excuses from the Bedouins came (to you, O Prophet ) asking your permission to exempt them (from the battle), and those who had lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home (without asking the permission for it); a painful torment will seize those of them who disbelieve.
97. The Bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits (Allah’s Commandments and His Legal Laws, etc.) which Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.
98. And of the Bedouins there are some who look upon what they spend (in Allah’s Cause) as a fine and watch for calamities for you, on them be the calamity of evil. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
99. And of the Bedouins there are some who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look upon what they spend in Allah’s Cause as approaches to Allah, and a cause of receiving the Messenger’s invocations. Indeed these (spending in Allah’s Cause) are an approach for them. Allah will admit them to His Mercy. Certainly Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
101. And among the Bedouins round about you, some are hypocrites, and so are some among the people of Al-Madinah, they exaggerate and persist in hypocrisy, you (O Muhammad ) know them not, We know them. We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment.
120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the Bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allah, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allah wastes not the reward of the Muhsinun
***33. Surah Al-Ahzab (The Confederates)
20. They think that Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) have not yet withdrawn, and if Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) should come (again), they would wish they were in the deserts (wandering) among the Bedouins, seeking news about you (from a far place); and if they (happen) to be among you, they would not fight but little.
***48. Surah Al-Fath (The Victory)
11. Those of the Bedouins who lagged behind will say to you: “Our possessions and our families occupied us, so ask forgiveness for us.” They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: “Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if He intends you hurt or intends you benefit? Nay, but Allah is Ever All-Aware of what you do.
16. Say (O Muhammad ) to the Bedouins who lagged behind: “You shall be called to fight against a people given to great warfare, then you shall fight them, or they shall surrender. Then if you obey, Allah will give you a fair reward, but if you turn away as you did turn away before, He will punish you with a painful torment.”
***49. Surah Al-Hujuraat (The Dwellings)
14. The Bedouins say: “We believe.” Say: “You believe not but you only say, ‘We have surrendered (in Islam),’ for Faith has not yet entered your hearts. But if you obey Allah and His Messenger ( ), He will not decrease anything in reward for your deeds. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The word Arab [pronounced as Arab] is mentioned 12 times in the Koran and in all cases it describe the language and not the people;
***12. Surah Yusuf (Prophet Joseph)
2. Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an in order that you may understand.
***13. Surah Ar-Ra’d (The Thunder)
37. And thus have We sent it (the Qur’an) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad ) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or defender against Allah.
***16. Surah An-Nahl (The Bees)
103. And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: “It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad ).” The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur’an) is a clear Arabic tongue.
***20. Surah Ta-Ha
113. And thus We have sent it down as a Qur’an in Arabic, and have explained therein in detail the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause them to have a lesson from it (or to have the honour for believing and acting on its teachings).
***26. Surah Ash-Shu’ara’ (The Poets)
195. In the plain Arabic language.
***39. Surah Az-Zumar (The Groups)
28. An Arabic Qur’an, without any crookedness (therein) in order that they may avoid all evil which Allah has ordered them to avoid, fear Him and keep their duty to Him.
***41. Surah Fussilat (Explained in detail)
3. A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Qur’an in Arabic for people who know.
***42. Surah Ash-Shurah (The Consultation)
7. And thus We have inspired unto you (O Muhammad ) a Qur’an (in Arabic) that you may warn the Mother of the Towns (Makkah) and all around it. And warn of the Day of Assembling, of which there is no doubt, when a party will be in Paradise (those who believed in Allah and followed what Allah’s Messenger brought them) and a party in the blazing Fire (Hell) (those who disbelieved in Allah and followed not what Allah’s Messenger brought them)
***43. Surah Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments)
3. We verily, have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions).
***46. Surah Al-Ahqaf (The Curved Sand-hills)
12. And before this was the Scripture of Musa (Moses) as a guide and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book (the Qur’an) in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong, and as glad tidings to the Muhsinun (good-doers – see V.2:112).
***56. Surah Al-Waqi’ah (The Event)
37. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. [But this verse is not about Arab but about orban i.e. dalliance; trifling or coquetry]

Liberal, you have some real reading comprehension issues. Did I ask you to help me identify the terms of Quranic lingua? Even on this one I can rip you apart on what you are trying to imply. But I want to stay on topic. Show me the comparison where Quran stated that the Arabs in general are worst then Jews or Arabs in general are the worst people on earth.

 

[Liberal 000]

Liberal, you have some real reading comprehension issues. Did I ask you to help me identify the terms of Quranic lingua? Even on this one I can rip you apart on what you are trying to imply. But I want to stay on topic. Show me the comparison where Quran stated that the Arabs in general are worst then Jews or Arabs in general are the worst people on earth.

الْأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلَّا يَعْلَمُوا حُدُودَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ - 9:97

The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits (Allah’s Commandments and His Legal Laws, etc.) which Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

 

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الْأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلَّا يَعْلَمُوا حُدُودَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ - 9:97

The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits (Allah’s Commandments and His Legal Laws, etc.) which Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

Liberal, seriously? Are you that dumb. Didn't you make a distinction between Al-arab vs Arabs just one previous post ago? Now suddenly you translated Al-arab into Arabs.

 

[Zinda_Rood]

Those Muslims will treat those non Muslims with respect and dignity as they should treat any non Muslim. These verses are very simple for people who have common sense. It's for the situation when Christians and Jews were conspiring against Muslims and Muslims were asked to be vigilant and not to fall for the trap of them pretending to be friends.This simple idea applies to every individual living in any epoch belong to any creed or community. It implies to be careful from the people who you suspect harboring hate against you. Many Muslim scholars of the past and current have clarified this point but somehow it can't get through the skull of an islamophobe like you. You are the best illustration of this verse that not every person out there is an islamophobe but whoever is, be careful of them. Thank you for providing an example for us.

Banu Qureza story has so many nuances, caveats and loopholes. Many muslim and non Muslim scholars have casted their doubts on this matter that if I started on them it will take a long time and it still wouldn't convince you. As from your previous posts I have noticed that you live deep in filth and you are very satisfied there.

Muslim forum members, educate yourself on your faith. Find out why you are Muslim and why you should stay one. These people cherry pick issues which have much broader context and historical depth and attack you and all of you go quiet. Because you have no knowledge of your own deen.

Admins, freedom of speech doesn't mean you allow someone to disparge and attack islam in such manner. Asking questions and debating in a respectfull manner is most welcome but an onslaught shouldn't be.

ان آیات میں صاف صاف لکھا ہے کہ یہود و نصاری کو دوست نہ بناؤ، کافروں کو دوست نہ بناؤ، ایمان والوں کو چھوڑ کر کافروں کو دوست نہ بناؤ۔۔۔ سیدھا سیدھا حکم دیا گیا ہے کہ صرف مسلمان آپس میں ہی دوستیاں رکھیں۔۔ اس میں کسی قسم کی سچویشن بیان نہیں کی گئی، جو آپ نے بیان کی ۔۔
ویسے میں آپ کی حالت سمجھ سکتا ہوں، آج کے دور میں ایسی چیزوں کو دفاع ممکن نہیں جب تک بیچ میں خود کی تشریحات ایڈ نہ کی جائیں۔ ۔۔ ​

 

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ان آیات میں صاف صاف لکھا ہے کہ یہود و نصاری کو دوست نہ بناؤ، کافروں کو دوست نہ بناؤ، ایمان والوں کو چھوڑ کر کافروں کو دوست نہ بناؤ۔۔۔ سیدھا سیدھا حکم دیا گیا ہے کہ صرف مسلمان آپس میں ہی دوستیاں رکھیں۔۔ اس میں کسی قسم کی سچویشن بیان نہیں کی گئی، جو آپ نے بیان کی ۔۔
ویسے میں آپ کی حالت سمجھ سکتا ہوں، آج کے دور میں ایسی چیزوں کو دفاع ممکن نہیں جب تک بیچ میں خود کی تشریحات ایڈ نہ کی جائیں۔ ۔۔ ​

A Muslim is explaining the context of verses and its underlying understanding throughout the history to an Islamophobe but the Islamophobe replies that he doesn't agree with the Muslim and the Muslim should believe what the Islomophobe think it is. Well I hope you live long enough either to have Allah mercy on you OR for you to see that doesn't matter how much you hate and scream, Islam is here to stay and flourish as it's been doing for last 1400 years while many like you have come and gone. Now I will explain further not for you but for any Muslim readers who would like to know more:
O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah, your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval, [take them not as friends]. You confide to them affection, but I am most knowing of what you have concealed and what you have declared. And whoever does it among you has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way. (60:1)
Allah is telling believers not to take allies from those who have waged war against you. Not every non believer.

O you who have believed, take not those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you nor the disbelievers as allies. And fear Allah, if you should [truly] be believers. And when you call to prayer, they take it in ridicule and amusement. That is because they are a people who do not use reason. (5: 57-58)

Allah is telling believers not to make those allies who have ridiculed your religion rather they be people of scriptures or the nonbelievers. Muslim should treat those non Muslims well who doesn't fall in the above mentioned category. How do I know? Here:
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers. (60: 8-9)