What if we are a simulation?

[Mujahid Ali Awan]

 

[asadqudsi]

Simulation inside a simulation, inside a simulation ...such a fascinating circular argument.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Simulation inside a simulation, inside a simulation ...such a fascinating circular argument.

For it to be a circular argument there needs to be an infinite number of iterations of simulations. No one is saying there are infinite iterations of simulations, there might just be only 1 or 2 or 3.

Circular argument will be that of a creator God because if universe needs to be created then who created the creator and then who created the creator of the creator, that's a circular argument.

Muslim answer to this is that Allah is just one and he is not created... But that's an illogical argument and statement because it commits the special pleading fallacy. You cant just say something is not created because you linguistically define it to be not created. Same way people can claim that the universe is infinite and that it was always was and always will be there without requiring a creator by their own created definition of the universe.

 

[skinnylizard]

if there is no such thing as randomness and chance, so there's logic behind the simualtion

understand math and you understand the universe...

 

[monkk]

What bullshit. How does it matter if its simulation ?? what the hell it changes for you????
Its like being in desert .. dying with dehydration.... and saying "oh i have heard about lake full of fresh water" well ..what the hell this knowledge changes for you ??

You can rot with infection.. kill your self over grief... die crying over loved one.... how this being simulation change any thing for you ???
What a bullshit abstract idea...

 

[skinnylizard]

What bullshit. How does it matter if its simulation ?? what the hell it changes for you????
Its like being in desert .. dying with dehydration.... and saying "oh i have heard about lake full of fresh water" well ..what the hell this knowledge changes for you ??

You can rot with infection.. kill your self over grief... die crying over loved one.... how this being simulation change any thing for you ???
What a bullshit abstract idea...

dunno brother..

if you ever get the chance to read david talbots book " the holographic universe" you might get a little more enlightened.....

 

[AhmadSaleem264]

For it to be a circular argument there needs to be an infinite number of iterations of simulations. No one is saying there are infinite iterations of simulations, there might just be only 1 or 2 or 3.

Circular argument will be that of a creator God because if universe needs to be created then who created the creator and then who created the creator of the creator, that's a circular argument.

Muslim answer to this is that Allah is just one and he is not created... But that's an illogical argument and statement because it commits the special pleading fallacy. You cant just say something is not created because you linguistically define it to be not created. Same way people can claim that the universe is infinite and that it was always was and always will be there without requiring a creator by their own created definition of the universe.

eternity is a mathematical concept, not a linguist one

 

[Vitamin_C]

eternity is a mathematical concept, not a linguist one

I was making a mathematical argument. Muslims are making a linguistic argument that because they define their God to be uncreated, therefore he is uncreated - that is an illogical argument.

 

[AhmadSaleem264]

I was making a mathematical argument. Muslims are making a linguistic argument that because they define their God to be uncreated, therefore he is uncreated - that is an illogical argument.

What about rephrasing it in a way as something which is uncreated is GOD

 

[Vitamin_C]

What about rephrasing it in a way as something which is uncreated is GOD

The point is that you can define it as anything you want, something which is uncreated is a pink unicorn, a spaghetti monster etc etc, at the end of the day its not proving anything. One cannot define their way out of an argument.

 

[Mughal1]

The point is that you can define it as anything you want, something which is uncreated is a pink unicorn, a spaghetti monster etc etc, at the end of the day its not proving anything. One cannot define their way out of an argument.

Dear vitamin c, your logic is deteriorating day by day. No one says God is uncreated for sake of it rather it is part of our over all understanding of existence. We have discussed this in detail in a few threads. You should revisit those discussion to refresh your memory. See HERE as well to realise problems with your way of thinking.

regards and all the best.

 

[AhmadSaleem264]

Dear vitamin c, your logic is deteriorating day by day. No one says God is uncreated for sake of it rather it is part of our over all understanding of existence. We have discussed this in detail in a few threads. You should revisit those discussion to refresh your memory. See HERE as well to realise problems with your way of thinking.

regards and all the best.

No personal attacks please

 

[@@O.P]

Maybe they are right its a simulation and thoughts are planted in the heads otherwise WHO WOULD BE PMLN AND PPP SUPPORTER! ????

 

[monkk]

dunno brother..

if you ever get the chance to read david talbots book " the holographic universe" you might get a little more enlightened.....

Skinny bahi.. when looking at a theory you need to look what it offers to prove it self wrong. for example..
theory: earth is flat...
proving wrong: walk on a line you would not fall off.
Theory: Its night time:
proving wrong: open door if you see light its not night.

Now crappy theories
theory: its actually night... the sun is big bulb put in space.
proving wrong: well you need space ship to go close to sun to see its not a bulb.

Theory: moon is made of cheese.. who say other wise getting share of that cheese..
Proving wrong: in this case you can not trust other witnesses like astronauts because they are lying and getting free cheese.. you have to get to the moon and touch surface.

I hope it make sense.

 

[skinnylizard]

nearly 8 billion people on the planet and only 523 have been into space......

dunno seems like a charade considering all the crazy speeds the earth is travelling at, and the whole solar system ( milkyway) is travelling at breathtaking speeds through the universe..

seems like complete bullshit!!!

 

[monkk]

nearly 8 billion people on the planet and only 523 have been into space......

dunno seems like a charade considering all the crazy speeds the earth is travelling at, and the whole solar system ( milkyway) is travelling at breathtaking speeds through the universe..

seems like complete bullshit!!!

Now we are talking... This makes you realize what tools you actually have to verify things... and for how much stuff you rely on other peoples witnesses.

 

[Vitamin_C]

nearly 8 billion people on the planet and only 523 have been into space......

Its expensive to go into space.

 

[desan]

Its expensive to go into space.

Unless you can make a solar powered space elevator...

 

[Vitamin_C]

Unless you can make a solar powered space elevator...

We do not have the technology to make it in an economic way. For now it looks like Reusable rockets are the future.