USA to invade PAK with an additional 30,000 troops.

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Obama's troop increase will only bring more terror to the region

On 1st December 2009 Barack Obama finally announced his new strategy for Afghanistan and thirty thousand additional troops. This process has taken months because the United States has come to the realisation that it cannot succeed in Afghanistan, in the same way that it could not succeed in Vietnam.

The Soviet Union was comprehensively defeated with more troops than NATO is currently contemplating, and the news of a new counter-insurgency strategy to accompany the extra troops is not new and will utterly fail to win hearts and minds. Similarly the deployment of tens of thousands of troops in Helmand or Kandahar will not stop the insurgency but increase it. For the source of the insurgency stems from the need to resist the foreign invader, something the Afghans have been doing for centuries. As former US diplomat in Afghanistan Matthew Hoh stated the insurgency in Afghanistan only arrived after the US troops did.

Barack Obama's fundamental argument that occupying Afghanistan makes the US more secure by defeating terrorists is flawed, as only a small amount now reside in Afghanistan. But even if, as they argue, they have now migrated to Pakistan, is Obama really proposing that US forces will have to stay in Afghanistan in perpetuity, just in case they return? Or is he saying that US forces will now be used in Pakistan, where he claims such people now operate?

This latter theory is what most people in Pakistan suspect is the case. This is hardly surprising when most speeches by American leaders on the Af-Pak strategy contain veiled threats towards Pakistan and sometimes not so veiled. The Washington Post said that retired US General James Jones said: If Pakistan cannot deliver, he warned, the United States may be impelled to use any means at its disposal to rout insurgents based along Pakistan's western and southern borders with Afghanistan. It should be clear beyond doubt that the focus of the extra troops and the developing political strategy is to take the war to the cities and towns of Pakistan. British Prime Minister Gordon Browns statements on 29 November demanding Pakistan do more is a clear indication of what will happen in the coming weeks and months.

The continued presence of NATO troops cannot add to developing good governance in Afghanistan - which was meant to be a model of how the West would replace dictatorship and torture chambers with elected leaders and good governance. Afghanistan is now more corrupt than it ever was. And it is not merely the violent occupation, nor Guantanamo Bay or the torture at Abu Ghraib and Bagram that have undermined the west's moral leadership. It is also poor management and systematic incompetence. Moreover, eight years after the Afghan invasion, the West continues praising corrupt leaders in the region and its support of Zardari, Karzai and Hassina - as well as other regimes in the Middle East - exemplifies the repeated prioritisation of commercial interests over values

Therefore we end by making the following points:

Firstly, all foreign forces and bases must be removed; and western occupation and the centuries old exploitation of resources in the Muslim world must end once and for all. Secondly, the West must end its support for the region's corrupt leaders. Thirdly, we warn the people of Pakistan that the West now wants to export its war to your streets, towns and cities, and it is only by Pakistan implementing an Islamic system and mobilising its resources that the upcoming attacks on Pakistan can be resisted.
 
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Obama quietly authorises expansion of war in Pakistan

Obama quietly authorises expansion of war in Pakistan

Posted: Wednesday, Dec 02, 2009 at 1244 hrs
Washington



As the US announced deepening of its involvement in Afghanistan by despatching 30,000 more troops, President Barack Obama has quietly authorised an expansion of war against terrorism in Pakistan under which CIA would widen its campaign of strikes against militants by unmanned drones.



The expanded operations by the CIA could include drone strikes in the southern province of Baluchistan, where senior Afghan Taliban leaders are believed to be hiding, New York Times reported today quoting officials.



CIA has submitted its plan to widen its campaign in Pakistan to the White House and has asked for commitment to jack up the agency's budget for operations inside the country.



CIA also wants to send more spies into the terrorist infested areas in Pakistan's tribal belt to try to infiltrate into groups like Taliban and other foreign militant groups.

But the 'Times' said, Obama Administration was aware that any expansion of overt American presence in Pakistan could fuel anti-Americanism in a country that fears that US is plotting to run its government and seize its nuclear weapons.



So, the paper said Obama officials were working to get a weak, divided and suspicious Pakistani government to agree to the terms.



'New York Times' quoting US officials said that authorising drone strikes in Baluchistan was also planned as Americans believe that it is from there that top Taliban leaders direct many of the attacks on their troops in Afghanistan and that these are likely to increase as more US troops pour into the country.



The President endorsed intensification of the campaign against the al-Qaeda and its violent allies including even more operations targeting terrorist safe havens.



This message was delivered recently to Pakistani leaders and officials by General James Jones, the National Security Adviser. But the Pakistanis suspicious of Obama's intension have not yet agreed.



In his address to the cadets at the West Point Academy, the US President said that the murky border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan offers refuge to extremists of many strifes.



Obama identified the region as the birthplace of the September 11, 2001 attacks and said it was from here that new attacks are being plotted.



The stakes are much higher now, Obama said as al-Qaeda and other extremist groups were seeking nuclear weapons and "we have every reason to believe that they would use them.

THIS IS NOTHING BUT PROPAGANDA AND A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF PAKISTAN, ITS THE SAME RHETORIC THAT 9/11 STARTED FROM HERE, AND NOW MORE CIA AND DRONES ATTACKS WHICH ARE AIMED TO DESTABILIZE AND WEAKEN PAKISTAN. THIS IS THE SAME STORY LINE THEY USED IN IRAQ, THAT IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION. ARE YOU GOING TO LET AMERICA DICTATE AND RUIN PAKISTAN
 
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Between the Lines, an Expansion in Pakistan

Between the Lines, an Expansion in Pakistan
War On Terror
Wednesday, 02 December 2009
WASHINGTON President Obama focused his speech on Afghanistan. He left much unsaid about Pakistan, where the main terrorists he is targeting are located, but where he can send no troops

Mr. Obama could not be very specific about his Pakistan strategy, his advisers conceded on Monday evening. American operations there are classified, most run by the Central Intelligence Agency. Any overt American presence would only fuel anti-Americanism in a country that reacts sharply to every missile strike against extremists that kills civilians as well, and that fears the United States is plotting to run its government and seize its nuclear weapons.

Yet quietly, Mr. Obama has authorized an expansion of the war in Pakistan as well if only he can get a weak, divided, suspicious Pakistani government to agree to the terms.

In recent months, in addition to providing White House officials with classified assessments about Afghanistan, the C.I.A. delivered a plan for widening the campaign of strikes against militants by drone aircraft in Pakistan, sending additional spies there and securing a White House commitment to bulk up the C.I.A.s budget for operations inside the country.

The expanded operations could include drone strikes in the southern province of Baluchistan, where senior Afghan Taliban leaders are believed to be hiding, officials said. It is from there that they direct many of the attacks on American troops, attacks that are likely to increase as more Americans pour into Afghanistan.

The president endorsed an intensification of the campaign against Al Qaeda and its violent allies, including even more operations targeting terrorism safe havens, said one American official. More people, more places, more operations.

That was the message delivered in recent weeks to Pakistani officials by Gen. James L. Jones, the national security adviser. But the Pakistanis, suspicious of Mr. Obamas intentions and his staying power, have not yet agreed.

General Jones was one of a series of American officials who arrived in Pakistan in recent weeks with the same message: no matter how many troops the president commits to Afghanistan, the strategy will founder unless the safe haven inside Pakistan is dealt with.

However, the United States does not have much leverage and is counting on a new attitude and a huge acceleration of efforts from a weak government. Making matters worse, the president, Asif Ali Zardari, is often at odds with the nations powerful military and intelligence establishment.

The question about Mr. Obamas Pakistan strategy is whether the new commitment of troops and resources can ultimately make America safer at a time of an evolving terrorist threat. Mr. Obama insisted that was his central focus.

This is the epicenter of the violent extremism practiced by Al Qaeda, he said to the cadets at West Point, speaking of both Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the murky border area between the two that offers refuge to extremists of many stripes. The region was the birthplace of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he said, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak. Many times in the speech he returned to that threat, saying it was what made this war different from Vietnam.

And he referenced another threat, one that focuses the attention of Mr. Obamas national security team daily, but which it speaks about rarely.

The stakes are even higher within a nuclear-armed Pakistan, because we know that Al Qaeda and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them, he said.

Mr. Obamas decision to raise the nuclear specter was notable because a succession of American officials have publicly stated recently that the Pakistani arsenal is secure. In private, however, they have commissioned new intelligence studies on how vulnerable Pakistani warheads and laboratories would be if insurgents made greater inroads, with one official saying recently, It is the scenario we spend the most time thinking about.

Even if Mr. Obama is successful in lessening the terrorist threat in the region, many analysts say that Al Qaeda has changed into a transnational movement beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan.

There is no direct impact on stopping terrorists around the world because we are or are not in Afghanistan, said Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, the former C.I.A. officer who was sent into Pakistan after 9/11 to determine if Osama bin Laden had access to the countrys nuclear technology. The nature of modern terrorism, Mr. Mowatt-Larssen, now at Harvard, argued, is that a safe haven can be moved to many different states, and the bigger threat exists in cells, including in Europe and the United States.

Even Janet Napolitano, the secretary of homeland security, acknowledged in an interview this evening that the steps announced by the president would not address Al Qaeda cells in Africa or the Middle East, or even homegrown extremists. But she argued that he had to begin somewhere.

Can you totally eliminate the threat from Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda types in Yemen or Somalia? No, she said. But what you have done is taken a major action to limit their ability out of this major theater, from which their leaders and major actions emanate.

Making the Pakistan plan even more complex was Mr. Obamas effort to reconcile two seemingly contradictory messages on Tuesday evening. He had to convince the Pakistanis that he was not planning to leave the region as the United States did 20 years ago, after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan while reassuring American citizens that after an 18-month buildup, he would begin to head for the exits.

The United States, he said, simply could not afford an open-ended war. Unlike President Bush, he suggested, he would not set goals that are beyond what we can achieve at a reasonable cost, and what we need to achieve to secure our interests.

NYT
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
Let these amarican come and have fight face to face,we are fed up of their hypocrisies we will send them in coffins with full dignity,Inshallah.this is our promise.
 

ftandan

Citizen
if obama has little bit of mind heshould mane 'enter pakistan' policy insted of exit afganistan. pakistan is root cause of every problem.pak army true ally of terriost grup.obama need to get full control over pakistan.taliban is dangerosly getting close to nuclear assests of pakistan.world in danger Mr. obama, act now
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
ftandan said:
if obama has little bit of mind heshould mane 'enter pakistan' policy insted of exit afganistan. pakistan is root cause of every problem.pak army true ally of terriost grup.obama need to get full control over pakistan.taliban is dangerosly getting close to nuclear assests of pakistan.world in danger Mr. obama, act now


---Your desperation stems from your incompetence :oops: The only one devoid of mind is poor you,Yeah we have a retard here who needs help badly if not given retard might harm somebody :lol: ..All these devilish instincts of poor indians for the past 62 years haven't abated a bit ...Your desperate call won't be heard the way you want :lol:..whatever happens,nuclear weapons will always be reserved for ya'll :ugeek: or better yet we'll dispose all our nuclear arsenal on your country,afterall we'll be doing you a big favour saving the world,Right!! :D
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
ftandan said:
if obama has little bit of mind heshould mane 'enter pakistan' policy insted of exit afganistan. pakistan is root cause of every problem.pak army true ally of terriost grup.obama need to get full control over pakistan.taliban is dangerosly getting close to nuclear assests of pakistan.world in danger Mr. obama, act now


Poor coward indians like you want others to fulfill their desires,you know you dont have guts to face us.
 

hnuter555

MPA (400+ posts)
agreed with u taul
however we should come out and die fighting and stop
fearing USA whats happen will happen
u either die like a coward saddam or die like tipu sultan either
way u gone die

if we shown that we are not up for the fight then usa will
surely attack us i have not doubts in my mind but if we make
sure if they attack we defend ourself whatever means possible
then they might think twice
anyways whats a chance of that when we are in leadership of
[zardari] kalia [altaf] and [rehman-malik] and [nawaz]

i guess very little hope
i really hope we go down fighting its clear its gone be bloody mess
in coming few years we need to make sure plenty of body bags go home too
then they might deter from attacking us :cry:
 
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taul

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---Your whining doesn't count and Pak Army should simply stop being supporter of such a nation who's known to stoop to any level for their own interests and kick all the american security personnel :evil: :x out of Pakistan and such a feeling can never be terminated among majority of Pakistanis.Your only evil and first priority is to deceive and to feed on fear :oops: ,do not even talk about innocent people :evil: :evil:
 

Zaidi Qasim

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shahqais

Councller (250+ posts)
After failures of their covert operation through DynCorp and BlackWater now they openly talking about invading Pakistan.This shows the level of frustration and lack of competency that they are blaming others for their blunders and threatening to invade.They can't hold on to Afghanistan how will they manage to come in Pakistan and carry out their operations.
Time for our government to wake up because people of Pakistan are already aware that this would happen.Hum jaag rahey hein.
 
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I just want to add that:

The change in leadership cannot happen unless we, the people take back our authority; today Politics has been left in the hands of corrupt people; this change will only come when the ordinary people DEMAND a new Islamic Leadership that has sincerity and a vision to deal with the problems facing the country.

"Allah will never change a situation of a people unless they change what is within themselves" [Surah Ar Rad 13:11]
 
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taul

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---Atleast american owners running casket business would be pleased with the addition of 30,000 troops as they'll get pretty busy and would run non-stop once your troops return home,obama surely has plans to boost the economy :ugeek: I would really hope and wish their business flourishes :D
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
Faud digital out reach our country is burning ,our people are dieing ,our country is destabilising just because of your presence in afganistan,b4 2001 there was no suiside attack,you brought terrorist ,you brought terrorism to pakistan and now dont say bull shit,just get the hell out of pakistan ,and from afganistan and you from this forum too.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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