The government borrowed over Rs 2 trillion at 10.5999 percent in a day

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
To pay back loans by taking more loans, and who will pay these loans? Have you even contemplated how idiot it sounds.
PMLN used to say the same thing atleast change your script. PTI is doing only onething since it got into power, copying PMLN in every aspect.

OK, you got it, I must admit.
Lets re-invent the wheel.
How much is left with Federal Government after paying the Provinces due to 18th Amend!
From the left over , please show us with calculations that how the Federal Government can pay for;
- Defense expenditures
- Pay off foreign debt and interests on those loans.
- Run different ministries
- Carry out Investment programs.
- Have extra money to build dams.
- and thousands more misc expenses.

Lets re-invent the wheel. Go.
 

Muhammad Jibran

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
OK, you got it, I must admit.
Lets re-invent the wheel.
How much is left with Federal Government after paying the Provinces due to 18th Amend!
From the left over , please show us with calculations that how the Federal Government can pay for;
- Defense expenditures
- Pay off foreign debt and interests on those loans.
- Run different ministries
- Carry out Investment programs.
- Have extra money to build dams.
- and thousands more misc expenses.

Lets re-invent the wheel. Go.
So, you are saying PMLN took loan cuz there wasn't much left for the federal gov after 18th ammendment.

So my question to you is that why khan criticized the burrowing of previous gov? They had the similar kind of situation.
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Well, i don't think they ever said that they will do all of it in the first 5 months. Moreover, are you going to deny the fact that current account deficit is decreasing. Exports are on the rise and imports are in check. If these facts are true, then what the hell are you whining about?

Exports are not increasing. Imports are in check as we have stopped to import machinery for new plants and establishing new factories.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So, you are saying PMLN took loan cuz there wasn't much left for the federal gov after 18th ammendment.

So my question to you is that why khan criticized the burrowing of previous gov? They had the similar kind of situation.

Yes, off course part of it. They should have increase the revenues too. Which current government is trying to do.
Now coming to the moot point, who passed the 18th!! PPP government with Ishaq Dar instrumental in it on the behest of Shar brothers.
They have purposefully tried to destroy Pakistan through 18th.
18th has to go, it is an amendment against Pakistan. No wonder after every few days Bilawal cries about 18th. Traitors must be eliminated, their schemes and plans must be sabotaged.
18th Must Go.
In the meanwhile you re-invent the wheel, Go.
 

ahameed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پچھلے والے جو قرض لیتے تھے وہ نظر آتے تھے کہ ضرب عضب ، ردالفساد جیسی جنگیں لڑیں ، آئ ڈی پیز تھے ، بجلی کے کارخانے لگائے ، روڈ انفراسٹرکچر ڈبل کیا ، گوادر پورٹ ڈیویلوپ کیا ، انہوں نے یہ سارے قرضے پیسے بنانے والے پراجیکٹس کیلئے لئے انہوں نے کس لئے لئے؟؟
بھائی جی وہ کام تو ہو گئے، اب وہ قرضے واپس بھی تو کرنے ہیں نا۔

اب یہ نہ کہنا کہ 5 مہینوں میں اتنی آمدن کیوں نہیں بڑھ سکی کہ وہ قرضے واپس کیے جا سکتے۔۔۔۔
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I didnt expect you to go down this spiral, but oh well.

Commercial bank loans are rated higher than treasury bonds. That is why the govt is focused more on retiring commercial bank debt.
Secondly, SBP is not a lending institution. Its a regulatory body. It prints money when liquidity is required by the govt. There are regulations in place to control that. Generally, govt funds most of its fiscal expenses from the sale of treasury bonds and notes.

پی ٹی آئ نے اس ٹویٹ میں خود کہا ہے ہم نے سٹیٹ بینک سے قرض اس لئے اٹھایا ہے کہ کمرشل بینکوں کو پیسے واپس کریں اب کمرشل بینکوں سے پاکستان کی بلند ترین شرح سود سے پھر پیسے قرض لئے ہیں تو یہ سٹیٹ بینک کو واپس کرنے کیلئے لئے ہوں گے
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کشکول کیوں نہیں توڑا؟
لے لیں گے واپس انڈیا والی فیکٹری پہلے نوازجے چور کے وہ قانون واپس کریں گے جو اس نے منی لانڈرنگ کرنے کو بنائے تھے

آپ کی حکومت ہے نکلوائیں اس سے سارے پیسے ، کشکول نہیں تورا تو حکومت چھوڑنی پڑی
 

ahameed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
روز کی جو دس ارب ڈالر کی منی لانڈرنگ ہوتی تھی اسے روک لیتے

منی لانڈرنگ کرنے والے 1983 سے یا اس سے بھی پہلے سے اقتدار میں ہیں، اس لئے ان کو قابو کرنے میں وقت لگے گا۔


اگر یہ اتنا آسان ہوتا تو پاکستان کو ترقی یافتہ ملک بنانے والا اور جناح کے بعد پاکستان کا سب سے بڑا لیڈر میاں نوازشریف صاحب 1983 میں ایسا کر لیتا جب وہ پنجاب کا وزیر خزانہ بنا تھا
 

ahameed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
آپ کی حکومت ہے نکلوائیں اس سے سارے پیسے ، کشکول نہیں تورا تو حکومت چھوڑنی پڑی

بھائی جی صبر صبر صبر۔۔۔۔

پانچ سال بعد اگر کشکول کا سائز چھوٹا کرنے کی بجائے بڑا کر دیا جیسا کہ ن لیگ کی حکومت نے کیا ھے تو پھر کہنا
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
پی ٹی آئ نے اس ٹویٹ میں خود کہا ہے ہم نے سٹیٹ بینک سے قرض اس لئے اٹھایا ہے کہ کمرشل بینکوں کو پیسے واپس کریں اب کمرشل بینکوں سے پاکستان کی بلند ترین شرح سود سے پھر پیسے قرض لئے ہیں تو یہ سٹیٹ بینک کو واپس کرنے کیلئے لئے ہوں گے

State Bank provides liquidity. Not loans. That is used to retire commercial debt.

And the govt is not borrowing from commercial banks. It is selling treasury bonds to them. Major difference between the two.

Borrowing = Adding to debt burden.
Selling T-Bonds = Rolling over existing debt stock.

Please dont teach us Daronomics here.
 

hawkinthesky111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Another of those idiotic rebuttal created by PTI social media team. You can't say this to Hassan Nisar , why is he shouting and wailing?
relax and i can say this to anybody..
bahuttay tawalay na hoo..
tail dhaikho aur tail ki dhaar dhaikhoo...
If they wont do anything ,, you are here and I am also here...
but one thing is for sure that im not going to vote the choors like NS and Zar..
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
State Bank provides liquidity. Not loans. That is used to retire commercial debt.

And the govt is not borrowing from commercial banks. It is selling treasury bonds to them. Major difference between the two.

Borrowing = Adding to debt burden.
Selling T-Bonds = Rolling over existing debt stock.

Please dont teach us Daronomics here.

کان کو ادھر سے پکڑیں یا ادھر سے پکڑیں، بات ایک ہی ہے
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
Exports are not increasing. Imports are in check as we have stopped to import machinery for new plants and establishing new factories.

Denial will not help your cause. Exports are increasing. Plus would you like to tell us the kind of new plants and factories we have established in the last 5 years? And what are those plants and factories producing? What is their share in increasing our exports in the last 5 years? Oh wait! Exports decreased in PMLN govt. So if these factories were not producing anything worth exporting, why was it so necessary to import expensive machinery to establish those factories in the first place?
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes, off course part of it. They should have increase the revenues too. Which current government is trying to do.
Now coming to the moot point, who passed the 18th!! PPP government with Ishaq Dar instrumental in it on the behest of Shar brothers.
They have purposefully tried to destroy Pakistan through 18th.
18th has to go, it is an amendment against Pakistan. No wonder after every few days Bilawal cries about 18th. Traitors must be eliminated, their schemes and plans must be sabotaged.
18th Must Go.
In the meanwhile you re-invent the wheel, Go.

PTI never spoke against 18th amendment in the last five years because it was the beneficiary of this amendment rather it was preaching us on devolution of power and funds. Now it has to pay provinces its due share so it is against this amendment. Munafqat of the highest level.
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بھائی جی وہ کام تو ہو گئے، اب وہ قرضے واپس بھی تو کرنے ہیں نا۔

اب یہ نہ کہنا کہ 5 مہینوں میں اتنی آمدن کیوں نہیں بڑھ سکی کہ وہ قرضے واپس کیے جا سکتے۔۔۔۔

چھ مہینوں میں سمت کا پتا چل جاتا ہے ابھی تک سمت یہی ہے کہ مزید قرضے لئے جاؤ

ٹیکس کلیکشن بڑھنے کی بجائے کم ہوئی ہے
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
چھ مہینوں میں سمت کا پتا چل جاتا ہے ابھی تک سمت یہی ہے کہ مزید قرضے لئے جاؤ

ٹیکس کلیکشن بڑھنے کی بجائے کم ہوئی ہے

Really? Tax collection has increased by around 3 percent. This is despite the fact that govt. is not enjoying the same tax collection from pre-paid cards and petroleum products.
Plus, isn't it obvious now that the debt figures are not true. Around 1.3 trillion is being added due to currency devaluation. And that the govt. has retired debt amounting to trillions.
 

ahameed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
چھ مہینوں میں سمت کا پتا چل جاتا ہے ابھی تک سمت یہی ہے کہ مزید قرضے لئے جاؤ

ٹیکس کلیکشن بڑھنے کی بجائے کم ہوئی ہے

کم کیوں ہوئی ھے؟

ایکسپورٹرز کو سستی بجلی اور گیس دینے سے کوئی فرق پڑے گا؟
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Really? Tax collection has increased by around 3 percent. This is despite the fact that govt. is not enjoying the same tax collection from pre-paid cards and petroleum products.
Plus, isn't it obvious now that the debt figures are not true. Around 1.3 trillion is being added due to currency devaluation. And that the govt. has retired debt amounting to trillions.

If you read that tweet again, it says this government added 2.4 trillion in total debt and nikka minister is saying that out of 2.4 trillion 1.3 trillion is due to depreciation od PKR. Decision for depreciation was not made by opposition.
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
If you read that tweet again, it says this government added 2.4 trillion in total debt and nikka minister is saying that out of 2.4 trillion 1.3 trillion is due to depreciation od PKR. Decision for depreciation was not made by opposition.

So the fact is that govt. has not taken 2.4 trillion. Do you now understand that?