Tabdeeli even in PIA!

hawkkhan

MPA (400+ posts)
due to politics ji. give full control to some capable person minus politics and you will get good results
Yes agree that bad condition is due to the politics. Finsh all political unions like AIR LEAGUE AND PEOPLE UNITY who are responsible for corruption and this condition of PIA. I don't know how much do you know about PIA and their appointments and promotions.
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
main to capability ki bat kr rha hoon ji. ab wo a k press conference ma kuch b bolta rahe koi fark nae parta. jb aam log mojood hain to inka kam hi nae banta. ye disban koi aam insan b kr skta tha agr powers hon to
Yeh aviation industry hai , haar aira ghaira nathu khaira naheen lagaya jaa sakta. Abb taak aam loog hi laga hoa tha, aur abhi main aam loog hi laga hoya hain. Wait for thier designations before criticizing. Armed forces are trained to provide security, and if it is security related then no worries with the appointment. If they are chosen as directors then you can criticize
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
yea tht was the question, what is criteria of capability for u, if those ppl who have around 2 decades of expeirence r miss fit then only option left is Mr Shahid khakan abbasi, Ex PM of pakistan and owner of Air blue, even while PIA was drowning, his airline was in profit????
nikal lya na. ab kisi capable bande ko dhoond ke lagao. this is what i am saying
 

shahidsaqi

Senator (1k+ posts)
yea tht was the question, what is criteria of capability for u, if those ppl who have around 2 decades of expeirence r miss fit then only option left is Mr Shahid khakan abbasi, Ex PM of pakistan and owner of Air blue, even while PIA was drowning, his airline was in profit????
arey bhai ap log noon league se bahir ao. look for civil services men. they are capable enough for every department. forget abt noon league. i thought IK is not having competition with PML or PPP before he made govt. IK ne to itna level bnaya tha apna ke hum ne socha ke supporters ka b utna hi hoga. but ap log to pichli govts se bahir hi nae a rhe
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
Give me a single example of top civil service man whom shareef/zardari mafia didn't infected with corruption. We should better then choose top civil servants likes of ahad cheema, fawad hassan fawad???? or what was the name of tht advisor which nawaz shareef put who helped nawaz shaeref NRO with the help Hariri of Lebnan/Jordan during musharaf era???
arey bhai ap log noon league se bahir ao. look for civil services men. they are capable enough for every department. forget abt noon league. i thought IK is not having competition with PML or PPP before he made govt. IK ne to itna level bnaya tha apna ke hum ne socha ke supporters ka b utna hi hoga. but ap log to pichli govts se bahir hi nae a rhe
 

shahidsaqi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Give me a single example of top civil service man whom shareef/zardari mafia didn't infected with corruption. We should better then choose top civil servants likes of ahad cheema, fawad hassan fawad???? or what was the name of tht advisor which nawaz shareef put who helped nawaz shaeref NRO with the help Hariri of Lebnan/Jordan during musharaf era???
now whoever is working under this govt other than cheema and fawad, are they all corrupt? what do u say.
 

Mr Justice

Minister (2k+ posts)
PIA is already full with PAF personnel. Most of the cadet pilots are even from PAF who want to learn commercial flying on the public funding for free.
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
well ur just dragging it for sake of time wasting, a top bureaucrat wont be ready with flash of eyes, it would take 2.5 decades of services to reach to grade 21 or 22 and tht much era spend with goons of shareef & zardari mafia what would u suggest what to do with them???? Give them the chance to prove their loyalty to country & nation then to their old master then they can be considered....beside ur such a pseudo-intellectual to put anyone without aviation experience to PIA since they r "capable"

now whoever is working under this govt other than cheema and fawad, are they all corrupt? what do u say.
 

kayawish

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Jab tak saboot nhi detay tab tak tum jhootay ho. :) Yahi kuch Nawaz Sharif k sath bhi huwa tah. :)
u dont get it or what ? for patwari if Nawaz sharrif rules the country it constitutional and everything else is unconstitutional ... and same goes for PPPP supporters.If nawaz and zardari rape their mother and sisters , for them it will also be constitutional rape.
 

Lord Botta

Minister (2k+ posts)
I personally feel that there is no fix to PIA's mess other than outright privatization but PTI has opposed it during PML-N era for the sack of opposition. As far as the idea of hiring on duty PAF men , let them try it and we shall see the impact with in 6 months.
 

shahidsaqi

Senator (1k+ posts)
well ur just dragging it for sake of time wasting, a top bureaucrat wont be ready with flash of eyes, it would take 2.5 decades of services to reach to grade 21 or 22 and tht much era spend with goons of shareef & zardari mafia what would u suggest what to do with them???? Give them the chance to prove their loyalty to country & nation then to their old master then they can be considered....beside ur such a pseudo-intellectual to put anyone without aviation experience to PIA since they r "capable"
so if we have all officers as corrupt then better to give command to Army. Right? now whole parliament is corrupt, will you suggest IK to give command to Generals? No, why because you feel that IK can change and we may have some good people out there. same thing i am saying. if u still insist then tell IK to hand over govt to some General.
 

NCP123

Minister (2k+ posts)
Problem ye he...ke Fauji jahan bhi jaeya gaa eik Tuhfaa chour ker zaroor aiye gaa....aur uss ka nateeja Quom saaloun tuk buhgte gii........adminitration per in service military men is not good way........to go forward........but let's see. I am not against Military...but the peoblem is Military is for defence and their vision is limited.....and they have only one speciality of disciple....this is hat they are trained for. This is good as far as Military is concerned....but not in civil. Pick up history you will find each Military dictator when ruled gave us one bad gift and we as a nation paid for it ever...........and same is true when a Military person is head of civil institute.......because of limited vision.
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
Well u start contradicting to ur own start of this thread, even if few officers from airforce come to PIA on deputation and some of them even retired and u start crying y not civilian were choosen & here u said hand over govt to generals. kisi aik bat per tu qaim rahooo chacha....and guess what since ur here to waste ur time so i wont be arguing to someone which contradicting his own thoughts!!!!
so if we have all officers as corrupt then better to give command to Army. Right? now whole parliament is corrupt, will you suggest IK to give command to Generals? No, why because you feel that IK can change and we may have some good people out there. same thing i am saying. if u still insist then tell IK to hand over govt to some General.
 

SharpAsKnife

Minister (2k+ posts)
Nahi bhai, Rana sana aur Mushahidullah ke matric fail rishtedaaron ko laga do phir se. Kahan airforce aur trained pilots laga rahe ho. very bad
 

Urdu speaking

Minister (2k+ posts)
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وزیراعظم عمران خان کے زیر صدارت رواں ماہ ہونے والے اجلاس میں پی آئی اے اور نیو اسلام آبادایئرپورٹ کے بارے میں اہم فیصلوں کی تفصیلات سامنے آگئیں۔

پی آئی اے ہیڈ آفس کراچی سے اسلام آباد منتقل کرنے ، نیو اسلام آباد ایئرپورٹ کا آپریشن پی آئی اے کے سپرد کرنے اور پی آئی اے میں مزید 8 فوجی افسران کی تعیناتی کا فیصلہ کیا گیا ہےجبکہارکان پارلیمنٹ کے لیے مفت ٹکٹ کی پالیسی پرنظرثانی اورایئرلائن انڈسٹری اور اندرون ملک سفر پر ٹیکس کم کرنے کا فیصلہ کیا گیا ہے۔


وزیراعظم عمران خان کے زیر صدارت اجلاس میں وزیر ہوابازی محمد میاں سومرو ، وفاقی وزیر خزانہ اسد عمر ، آرمی چیف ، ایئر چیف ، سی ای او پی آئی اے ایئرمارشل ارشد ملک اور دیگر شریک ہوئے ۔

اجلاس پی آئی اے کے سی ای او ایئرمارشل ارشد ملک نے پی آئی اے کے بارے میں بریفنگ دی۔

دستاویز کے مطابق پی آئی اے ہیڈ آفس کراچی سے اسلام آباد منتقل کرنے کا اصولی فیصلہ کر لیا گیا ہے،اس سلسلے میں ایوی ایشن ڈویژن کو منتقلی کی سفارشات جولائی تک پیش کرنےکی ہدایت دی گئی ہے۔

اجلاس میں حاضر سروس فوجی افسران کی پی آئی اے میں تین سال کے لئے تعیناتی کا بھی فیصلہ کیا گیا۔8فوجی افسران میں سے 4 کا تعلق آرمی اور 4 کا پاکستان ایئر فورس سے ہوگا،فوجی افسران پی آئی اے میں تعیناتی کے دوران یونیفارم میں فرائض انجام دیں گے۔

اجلاس میں ایئرکموڈور جواد ظفر کو پی آئی اے بورڈ آف ڈائریکٹر میں شامل کرنے کا فیصلہ بھی کیا گیا۔دستاویزات کے مطابق نیو اسلام آباد ایئرپورٹ کا آپریشن سول ایوی ایشن سے لے کر پی آئی اے کو دینےکا اصولی فیصلہ کیا گیا ہے ۔

سی اے اے ذرائع کا کہنا ہے کہ دنیا بھر میں ایئرپورٹ ریگولیٹر سے لے کر آپریٹر کو دینے کی اس سے پہلے نظیر نہیں ملتی۔



اجلاس میں وزارت خزانہ کو ہدایت کی گئی ہے کہ پی آئی اے کو بوئنگ 777 طیاروں کی اپ گریڈیشن کے لیے 35 لاکھ ڈالر فوری دیئے جائیں جبکہ وزارت خزانہ پی آئی اے کی عبوری مالی امدادکے لیے مزید 15 ارب روپے جنوری میں ہی جاری کرے گا۔

اجلاس میں پی آئی اے کے ذمہ سول ایوی ایشن اتھارٹی کے اب تک کے تمام واجبات اور جرمانےمنجمد کرنے کا بھی فیصلہ کیا گیا ۔

اجلاس میں پی آئی اے کے لیے ترکی اور قطر سے دو ایئربس 320 طیارے اور ایک ایئر بس اے 330 کارگو طیارہ لینے کا بھی فیصلہ کیا گیا ہے۔ ان فیصلوں پر پاکستان سول ایوی ایشن اتھارٹی میں تشویش پائی جاتی ہے۔

واضح رہے کہ اجلاس میں سول ایوی ایشن اور ایوی ایشن ڈویژن کی نمائندگی نہیں تھی۔


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Urdu speaking

Minister (2k+ posts)
نیو اسلام آباد ایئرپورٹ کا آپریشن سول ایوی ایشن سے لے کر پی آئی اے کو دینےکا اصولی فیصلہ کیا گیا ہے ۔

سی اے اے ذرائع کا کہنا ہے کہ دنیا بھر میں ایئرپورٹ ریگولیٹر سے لے کر آپریٹر کو دینے کی اس سے پہلے نظیر نہیں ملتی۔