Syed Ali Shah Gilani- Free Kashmir. India Today conclave

bravo

Banned
Freed from pakistani sponsored terrorism ...mushy said that pakistan sent 20000-30000 afgani,pakistani,chechen,ujbenki terrorists into kashmir!!

We have freed those people !!

1.Geelani sahab : india is not buying weapons to handle pakistan!!Pakistan is not in position to fight against its own mess!!
India is buying weapons as deterrent against china!!

2.Can any geelani of balochistan stage such drama in front line media??
I have never seen any balochi on pakistan frontline media!!

3.Geelani sahab : you started it in 2008 :you played communal politics by protesting and rioting for amarnath yatra land ;merely 400 acres to be given to hindu temple which is origin in kashmir long time before you muslim migrated to kashmir from central asia !!Dont we know that shaiv hinduism has its roots in kashmir for 5000 years .

4.kashmir name ,srinagar name and origin is derived from hinduism!!it has nothing to do with islam !!By merely moving into kashmir in last 500 years from central asian with extremists mindsets,you cant dissolve the indic values,religions and civlizations which are older than any other religion of this world!!. Those 400 acres land issues for the shiva temples in 2008 would have provided opportunity to kashmiri shia muslims(who hate you to the fullest...) in those areas who provide all kinds of services to the pilgrims; but you rioted in srinagar and created communal disharmony!!
If you dont want to be part of india,please move to central asia....all of you barring the local natural inhabitants (pandits) dont associate with kashmir historically..
You are only 500 years in our land!!

Because of open freedom to people like you :on your hated rants and incitation using religion and extremism;kids go and burn public property and govt only send police to control the unruly crowd( remind you ;army have never stepped in civilian area)!!

5.Unluckily in 2011;govt has learnt your trick;cut the money which you got via hawala from pakistan; and broken your gang and
there is no civilian death in 2011
.
Problem is you who enjoys money and facilities from indian govt and carry out with your business in name of freedom!!GOI will always let buffoon like you speak ;since we know you are not harmful and we know how to handle people like you peacefully!!
 
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ealtaf

Minister (2k+ posts)
Freed from pakistani sponsored terrorism ...mushy said that pakistan sent 20000-30000 afgani,pakistani,chechen,ujbenki terrorists into kashmir!!

We have freed those people !!

1.Geelani sahab : india is not buying weapons to handle pakistan!!Pakistan is not in position to fight against its own mess!!
India is buying weapons as deterrent against china!!

2.Can any geelani of balochistan stage such drama in front line media??
I have never seen any balochi on pakistan frontline media!!

3.Geelani sahab : you started it in 2008 :you played communal politics by protesting and rioting for amarnath yatra land ;merely 400 acres to be given to hindu temple which is origin in kashmir long time before you muslim migrated to kashmir from central asia !!Dont we know that shaiv hinduism has its roots in kashmir for 5000 years .

4.kashmir name ,srinagar name and origin is derived from hinduism!!it has nothing to do with islam !!By merely moving into kashmir in last 500 years from central asian with extremists mindsets,you cant dissolve the indic values,religions and civlizations which are older than any other religion of this world!!. Those 400 acres land issues for the shiva temples in 2008 would have provided opportunity to kashmiri shia muslims(who hate you to the fullest...) in those areas who provide all kinds of services to the pilgrims; but you rioted in srinagar and created communal disharmony!!
If you dont want to be part of india,please move to central asia....all of you barring the local natural inhabitants (pandits) dont associate with kashmir historically..
You are only 500 years in our land!!

Because of open freedom to people like you :on your hated rants and incitation using religion and extremism;kids go and burn public property and govt only send police to control the unruly crowd( remind you ;army have never stepped in civilian area)!!

5.Unluckily in 2011;govt has learnt your trick;cut the money which you got via hawala from pakistan; and broken your gang and
there is no civilian death in 2011
.
Problem is you who enjoys money and facilities from indian govt and carry out with your business in name of freedom!!GOI will always let buffoon like you speak ;since we know you are not harmful and we know how to handle people like you peacefully!!

Dont worry we will liberate Kashmir as well as whole India. Just watch and wait for time to come.
 

bravo

Banned
Dont worry we will liberate Kashmir as well as whole India. Just watch and wait for time to come.


why not save the current pakistan :balochistan,sindh and pakhtoonistan all are against punjab :)
Pakistan tried 4 times,lost a landmass;got beaten badly including 1965 (if you read neutral writers=> despite being the aggressor and initiator where one has adv over opponent)

hollow pride like :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9cHUJBt2Sw
 
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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
why not save the current pakistan :balochistan,sindh and pakhtoonistan all are against punjab :)
Pakistan tried 4 times,lost a landmass;got beaten badly including 1965 (if you read neutral writers=> despite being the aggressor and initiator where one has adv over opponent)

hollow pride like :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9cHUJBt2Sw

We broke you in 1947 and will do so again! We beat you up in Kargil when you cried to the American's too save you where as other wars are open to debate!

You should worry about all the insurgencies in Bharat like the Naxalites, Khalistanis and Kashmiris who are all against Delhi instead of pointing out our troubles!!(clap)

In 1948 we took half of Kashmir from you and won't settle until we liberate the rest too!
 
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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
We beat you up in Kargil when you cried to the American's too save you QUOTE]

I think you need to read real history, not prevalent in Pakistan.

quote: wikepedia

Withdrawal and final battles

Following the outbreak of armed fighting, Pakistan sought American help in de-escalating the conflict. Bruce Riedel, aide to then President Bill Clinton reported that the US intelligence had imaged Pakistani movements of nuclear weapons to forward deployments for fear of the Kargil hostilities escalating into a wider conflict between the two countries. However, President Clinton refused to intervene until Pakistan had removed all forces from the Indian side of the Line of Control.[57] Following the Washington accord on July 4, where Sharif agreed to withdraw Pakistani troops, most of the fighting came to a gradual halt, but some Pakistani forces remained in positions on the Indian side of the LOC. In addition, the United Jihad Council (an umbrella for extremist groups) rejected Pakistan's plan for a climb-down, instead deciding to fight on.[58]
The Indian army launched its final attacks in the last week of July; as soon as the Drass subsector had been cleared of Pakistani forces, the fighting ceased on July 26. The day has since been marked as Kargil Vijay Diwas (Kargil Victory Day) in India. By the end of the war, India had resumed control of all territory south and east of the Line of Control, as was established in July 1972 as per the Simla Agreement.

World opinion

Pakistan was criticised by other countries for instigating the war, as its paramilitary forces and insurgents crossed the Line of Control.[59] Pakistan's primary diplomatic response, one of plausible deniability linking the incursion to what it officially termed as "Kashmiri freedom fighters", was in the end not successful.[60] Veteran analysts argued that the battle was fought at heights where only seasoned troops could survive, so poorly equipped "freedom fighters" would neither have the ability nor the wherewithal to seize land and defend it. Moreover, while the army had initially denied the involvement of its troops in the intrusion, two soldiers were awarded the Nishan-E-Haider (Pakistan's highest military honour). Another 90 soldiers were also given gallantry awards, most of them posthumously, confirming Pakistan's role in the episode. India also released taped phone conversations between the Army Chief and a senior Pakistani general where the latter is recorded saying: "the scruff of [the militants] necks is in our hands,"[61] although Pakistan dismissed it as a "total fabrication". Concurrently, Pakistan made several contradicting statements, confirming its role in Kargil, when it defended the incursions saying that the LOC itself was disputed.[62] Pakistan also attempted to internationalize the Kashmir issue, by linking the crisis in Kargil to the larger Kashmir conflict but, such a diplomatic stance found few backers on the world stage.[63]
As the Indian counter-attacks picked up momentum, Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif flew to meet U.S. President Bill Clinton on July 4 to obtain support from the United States. Clinton rebuked Sharif, however, and asked him to use his contacts to rein in the militants and withdraw Pakistani soldiers from Indian territory. Clinton would later reveal in his autobiography that "Sharif's moves were perplexing" since the Indian Prime Minister had travelled to Lahore to promote bilateral talks aimed at resolving the Kashmir problem and "by crossing the Line of Control, Pakistan had wrecked the [bilateral] talks."[64] On the other hand, he applauded Indian restraint for not crossing the LoC and escalating the conflict into an all-out war.[65]
G8 nations supported India and condemned the Pakistani violation of the LOC at the Cologne summit. The European Union also opposed Pakistan's violation of the LOC.[66] China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC and settling border issues peacefully. Other organizations like the ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India's stand on the inviolability of the LOC.[63]
Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Indian territory. The joint statement issued by Clinton and Sharif conveyed the need to respect the Line of Control and resume bilateral talks as the best forum to resolve all disputes.[67][68]

quote source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We beat you up in Kargil when you cried to the American's too save you QUOTE]

I think you need to read real history, not prevalent in Pakistan.

quote: wikepedia

Withdrawal and final battles

Following the outbreak of armed fighting, Pakistan sought American help in de-escalating the conflict. Bruce Riedel, aide to then President Bill Clinton reported that the US intelligence had imaged Pakistani movements of nuclear weapons to forward deployments for fear of the Kargil hostilities escalating into a wider conflict between the two countries. However, President Clinton refused to intervene until Pakistan had removed all forces from the Indian side of the Line of Control.[57] Following the Washington accord on July 4, where Sharif agreed to withdraw Pakistani troops, most of the fighting came to a gradual halt, but some Pakistani forces remained in positions on the Indian side of the LOC. In addition, the United Jihad Council (an umbrella for extremist groups) rejected Pakistan's plan for a climb-down, instead deciding to fight on.[58]
The Indian army launched its final attacks in the last week of July; as soon as the Drass subsector had been cleared of Pakistani forces, the fighting ceased on July 26. The day has since been marked as Kargil Vijay Diwas (Kargil Victory Day) in India. By the end of the war, India had resumed control of all territory south and east of the Line of Control, as was established in July 1972 as per the Simla Agreement.

World opinion

Pakistan was criticised by other countries for instigating the war, as its paramilitary forces and insurgents crossed the Line of Control.[59] Pakistan's primary diplomatic response, one of plausible deniability linking the incursion to what it officially termed as "Kashmiri freedom fighters", was in the end not successful.[60] Veteran analysts argued that the battle was fought at heights where only seasoned troops could survive, so poorly equipped "freedom fighters" would neither have the ability nor the wherewithal to seize land and defend it. Moreover, while the army had initially denied the involvement of its troops in the intrusion, two soldiers were awarded the Nishan-E-Haider (Pakistan's highest military honour). Another 90 soldiers were also given gallantry awards, most of them posthumously, confirming Pakistan's role in the episode. India also released taped phone conversations between the Army Chief and a senior Pakistani general where the latter is recorded saying: "the scruff of [the militants] necks is in our hands,"[61] although Pakistan dismissed it as a "total fabrication". Concurrently, Pakistan made several contradicting statements, confirming its role in Kargil, when it defended the incursions saying that the LOC itself was disputed.[62] Pakistan also attempted to internationalize the Kashmir issue, by linking the crisis in Kargil to the larger Kashmir conflict but, such a diplomatic stance found few backers on the world stage.[63]
As the Indian counter-attacks picked up momentum, Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif flew to meet U.S. President Bill Clinton on July 4 to obtain support from the United States. Clinton rebuked Sharif, however, and asked him to use his contacts to rein in the militants and withdraw Pakistani soldiers from Indian territory. Clinton would later reveal in his autobiography that "Sharif's moves were perplexing" since the Indian Prime Minister had travelled to Lahore to promote bilateral talks aimed at resolving the Kashmir problem and "by crossing the Line of Control, Pakistan had wrecked the [bilateral] talks."[64] On the other hand, he applauded Indian restraint for not crossing the LoC and escalating the conflict into an all-out war.[65]
G8 nations supported India and condemned the Pakistani violation of the LOC at the Cologne summit. The European Union also opposed Pakistan's violation of the LOC.[66] China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC and settling border issues peacefully. Other organizations like the ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India's stand on the inviolability of the LOC.[63]
Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Indian territory. The joint statement issued by Clinton and Sharif conveyed the need to respect the Line of Control and resume bilateral talks as the best forum to resolve all disputes.[67][68]

quote source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

I don't believe in reports from agencies like Wikipedia when are many such "expert" reports are flying around the web! We did Kargil on you and i loved every minute off it, i am dieing for an encore ASAP!

I haveclose friends in the Pak military who "love killing Bharatis" and lick their lips at the thought of another confrontation!
 

indian125

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dont worry we will liberate Kashmir as well as whole India. Just watch and wait for time to come.

abe apni khudki gaan sambhalo wo char hisso me batne ja rahi hai. ( sind , Punjab, Baluchistan, and greater Afghanistan ) don't forget we already made Bangladesh in 1971.
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
I pray God to grant me hundreds of years life so that I can see it in my life time for this happen.
Hundreds won't be enough, you should say 1000's or even 10000's but by that time we would all be dating aliens and drinking uranium soft drinks. We will also have lots of new religions by then which will claim to be the true religion.
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
We know many kashmiris want independence. Though we respect and understand why they want it but we are too pragmatic to understand that this is never gonna happen. New generations of kashmiris will thank their ancestors for staying within india just like most muslims of india thank their ancestors for not not going to pakistan.......
 

m3zaidi

Voter (50+ posts)
I have been watching talk shows, misc. video's, and have been reading articles on this website on a daily basis for a long long time, but this is my first reply to any kind of thread of here.

Just to let everyone know my head bows in front of the Almighty the Greatest, and the King of kings Allah, and my leader is his Prophet Mohammad Peace and Blessing be on Him. Every drop of my blood is for Pakistan and Islam and i will sacrifice my biggest happiness for my motherland. Just to clear a few points over here for my Indian counterparts who are lacking a bit of knowledge.

First of all coming up with an article or any kind of read doesn't authentic your views, all it does is makes you a follower of a certain thinking.

Now some facts:

1. Pakistan broke India into Half in 1947

2. Pakistan fought with less resources against Indians in 1948 and captured half of Kashmir

3. Check the law and order of Pakistan's Azad Kashmir and Indian 'OCCUPIED' Kashmir

4. Muslims of Kashmir are not any other resistance instead they are fighting against an occupied army who are not there to normalize the law and order like Pakistan army in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtoonkwa instead the Indian army is over there to stop the Kashmiri's from realizing their Independence from India and joining Pakistan as was decided in 1947 which is well documented in draft and resolutions of Partition in 1947. Therefore do not compare Pakistan army and Indian army as Indians have occupied some one else's land and Pakistan is cleaning up the US, Israeli, and Indian mess in our western provinces.

5. Before the British came in South Asia there was no such country as 'India', it was a land without boundaries therefore no one has claim over it instead everyone living over there has claim over it and the claims were settled in the 1947 Partition resolution which Pakistan has implemented but Indian has not!

6. India herself went to United Nations and accepted itself as an occupying country in Kashmir, remember India went herself after Pakistan took half of Kashmir, therefore Occupied Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed land under united nation laws and doesn't come under India or Pakistan.

7. In 1965 Pakistani army attacked Indian forces In Kashmir which is a disputed land under united nations law and doesn't belong to any country therefore it wasn't a violation of International borders, in fact India had already violated International borders in 1947 by sending its troops in Kashmir and occupying it. Hence Pakistan never initiated in 1965 it was India who initiated in 1947. When Indians could not with hold Pakistan army pressure in Kashmir they released the pressure by attacking the International Border on the Punjab side of Pakistan without any call for a war which is again a violation of international laws. Under the United Nation statistics Pakistan lost less soldiers, weapons, tanks, air crafts, and naval machinery, compared to India, and on the other hand Pakistan gained on Indian territory, and these are not any stats from any book or journalists or media men of that time or now, in fact these are facts from the United Nations that India and Pakistan both accepted. Then India after not being able to with hold the Pakistan army onslaught sent a mission to United Nation to pressure Pakistan in ending siege on Indian lands and the diplomatic pressure was so much which prompted Pakistan to offer India a ceasefire agreement which India accepted, remember Pakistan offered India accepted therefore militarily Pakistan won and India lost the battles and the war, and diplomatically it was a stalemate because both the countries came back to their original positions but Pakistan's biggest victory was that they forced Indians to add a clause in the Kashmir resolution which was the self determination of the Kashmiri People which the Indians added and then Pakistan offered India the ceasefire agreement which India accepted. All this is documented in United Nations.

8. In 1971 Indians opened International borders on Pakistan from the eastern and western side, it was our internal problem no matter how bad it was India had no right to intervene and break Pakistan which India did, and hands down India won the war diplomatically and militarily. Our reason for losing the war was not having the support of the bengali people and the hate was created by the mukti bahini which was a force trained by India in India and all this is clearly documented and accepted by India in United Nations, but in the end Pakistan army by not having the support of its people and India gaining sympathies through mukti bahini resulted in India offering Pakistan cease fire and Pakistan accepting it which ended up in the breaking of Pakistan under the united nations. ACCEPTED!!!

9. In 1999 Pakistan army and freedom fighters initiated and attacked Kargil mountains and captured all of them, India retaliated and took back 2 peaks out of 7 and when Indians could not take back the rest of them then they went to the US which resulted in extreme sanctions and pressure on Pakistan to withdraw which Pakistan did without any cease fire agreement therefore militarily again Pakistan fought and beat the Indian army but later withdrew from Kargil peaks on American pressure. therefore since it was not taken to United Nations and there was no cease fire agreement hence it was a stale mate!

I can tell you of many western non muslim pro west 'white christian' journalists who have declared that Pakistan won in 1948, 1965, and 1999 but i will not in fact i only talked about the facts documented in UNITED NATIONS.

For now live with a smile by killing Kashmiri's but remember once we are done with terrorism in our country sponsored by you and Israel like you did in 1971 in the shape and form of mukti bahini then wait we will liberate Kashmir, and believe me we will take revenge of 1971 as well. And im not being emotional because Pakistan armed forces are planning and have been planning since 1971 on how to take revenge and like all the armies plan according to their national interests. It is a known fact that Pakistan and Indian Military establishments have been planning and plotting on how to have a go one more time at each other and this time we will finish it off for good Insha'Allah!

By the way among all the Military's in the world Pakistan Army, and Air force Pilots are ranked higher than Indian's in skill, motivation and smartness which includes fitness and hand combat fighting skills. Overall Pakistan Army is the third best in achievements, skill, motivation, and smartness only below British and Turkish forces. And Pakistan Air force pilots are ranked number one in the world. And Pakistan's ISI is ranked the best spy agency in the world. All these Statistics are International, official and from SMEI. And by the way my indian counterparts please check Pakistan's military technology and you will know how far ahead we are compared to you! We have enough resources to fight and win against any military in the world. Insha'Allah Insha'Allah Insha'Allah we will soon liberate Kashmir and then Palestine! Insha'Allah!

Alhumdullilah!