Most of the dubious appointments in PIAare from Musharraf Era and PPP times

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thanks for clarifying that it was Gen Kayani's Brother who did corruption in this sale and nothing to do with PMLN leadership. Are u sure PIA has 20 Airbus-310 for sale? Please share the process where can I find details?
Pakistan had 23 A310s in 2011. All were grounded till 2017 on global pressure.

What will happen to these retired airliners is not rocket science as they will mostly rust at Karachi airport like many other airframes or they will broken down like many other A310s. Because last time when PIA advertised for auction nobody applied and only a museum in Germany wanted to buy the plane. The plane was sold to the sole bidder as nobody else applied for it. While lobbies inside PIA are trying to project through ignorant Pakistani media that some sort of mishap was done through this deal and the CEO has something to do with it.

Ready for next load at Islamabad’s Benazir Bhutto International airport. PIA’s Airbus A310
Nobody has bothered to look at the bidding process, nobody thought they can check how the process of auctioning a plane works and the CEO is not the sole person to decide as there are directors who look after specific tasks. But its seems easier to name the ceo then others. And why we are forgetting that these aircrafts are around 23 year old and there is very limited market for these aircrafts in passenger capacity. So clearly someone in PIA in collusion with few usual suspects in media is playing politics and their aim is to get rid of PIA ceo Bern Hildenbrand. Emboldened by the resignation of Azam Saigol these elements are now trying to destroy all the hard work that was done in previous year because in the rusting, degraded good for nothing PIA is their survival and survival of their political benefactors and puppeteers.






 
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Qudsi

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mhafeez

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mhafeez
سی ای او تو ٹرم پوری کرکے گیا تھا ، دوسرے لوگوں کے خلاف نیب میں شکایت آئی تھی ، نیب نے انکوائری کرکے انویسٹیگیشن بھی شروع کردی تھی اس کے بعد کیا ہوا ، معلوم نہیں ، باقی سارے جہاز ایئر پورٹ پر گل سڑ رہے ہیں
 

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مشرف نے الطاف حسین کو معافی دی لیکن خود بارہ مئی کو مکے مارنے چلا گیا کراچی میں عمران خان بھی اس دن افتخار چوہدری کیساتھ اگر نہ ہوتا تو مشرف اور طلعت حسین کبھی اسطرح ہار نہیں مانتے لائیو ٹی وی پر کیوں نہ دکھایا سوال تو پیدا ہوگیا اب تو بالغ ہونے والا ہے بارہ مئی کا بوجھ سستا ہو بھی گیا ہلکا لیتے رہے ڈاکٹر عمران فاروق کہتا تھا کیوں مارا مجھے مرنے بعد اس سوال کا کوئی جواب نہیں ملتا نہ بارہ مئی کا نہ بارہ اکتوبر کا مشرف کو جہاز اتارنے کی اجازت بھی تھی لیکن نواز شریف بھی دھوکہ افتخار چوہدری میں غوث علی شاہ کے ساتھ ملے ہوئے تھے ورنہ نواب شاہ ائیرپورٹ انڈیا میں ہے کیا نہیں جناب نہیں ایسے نہیں چلتا
 

1234567

Minister (2k+ posts)
Most of the controversial appointments are from Musharraf Era and PPP times . None of these scandals ever happened in PMLN time neither 90's nor 2013-18. Only in 2009-2012 2,171 people were recruited in the PIA.

ISLAMABAD: The recent appointment of 80 pilots by the Pakistan International Airlines has raised many eyebrows with some insiders accusing the administration of foul play while some candidates too talk of irregularities. However, the airlines management brushed aside these reports, terming them as mere speculation.

While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before.

There are also reports of some candidates even challenging violations in the observance of regional and provincial quota while making these appointments. A candidate who claims to have got more than 80 per cent marks in the written test complains about his non-selection despite his excellent performance while those securing much lower marks than him were issued offer letters. He said that some, despite scoring in 90s in the written test, could not secure a job as pilot in the airlines.

Syed Sultan Hasan, the PIA spokesman, when approached said that the management had followed a transparent recruitment procedure that included newspaper advertisement, short-listing of the candidates, their test and interview. He though said that off hand he would not be able to comment on any individual case but insisted that the management did not receive any complaint against these appointments.

He said if there was anyone having any complaint against these appointments, he could go to the Federal Services Tribunal or knock the doors of courts. Sultan Hasan said the talk about irregularities in the appointment process was merely a speculation.

Hasan said that the PIA was facing shortage of pilots due to which it had to go for large scale appointments of pilots, who after going through their training period are appointed first officers and remained standby to fly. He agreed that almost 66 pilots, who

were issued offer letters in 2006, had yet to fly the national flag carrier.

Sources said 20 out of the 66 pilots have recently completed their training from airlines training centre in Karachi whereas the second batch of 23 pilots is presently undergoing training. The remaining 23 would be imparted training after the present batch completes its course.

It is said that those appointed in 2006 would have to perhaps wait for about another 6-7 months to become line pilots. The sources say that in such situation, instead of making fresh appointments of pilots in much higher number i.e. 80, the management should have opted to appoint a batch of 15-20 pilots annually. It is said that actually such a large number of appointments were made to select those who were already “earmarked”.

PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicised manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past. These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by a board led by the then Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later became the air chief and died in an air crash, in 1997. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the second tenure of Benazir Bhutto.

At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun, “There were many people who personally visited and made telephone calls alleging that ... (name excluded) took 15-20 lac rupees for leaking the paper (for the appointments of pilots).”

The PIA spokesman when asked about the 1997 inquiry said that he did not know about it. The 1997 inquiry also explained how a senior PIA official, who was sacked later but during the present regime given key employment related job that he lost too, was alleged to have shown question paper of the written examination at that time to some of his favourites.

A key official of the PM Secretariat during Benazir Bhutto’s second tenure, who also served against a top bureaucratic position in the same secretariat under Gilani but was later transferred, was also accused by the same inquiry of having demanded Rs 1.1m for leaking the question paper to the father of a candidate who had declined to pay the said amount. Another candidate, who had qualified the test for pilots in 1991, had joined the PIA in 1995 batch by virtue of his brother — then a serving Lt Gen in Pakistan Army.

According to one source, this time too the written paper had been leaked. The source said some close relations of even some serving pilots in the PIA had got close to 100% marks in the written exams whereas there were also gossips of corruption but there was no evidence available of such charges.

Meanwhile, a foreign qualified candidate, who had also applied for the pilot slot, on condition of not being named, said that he too appeared in the written test conducted on 22nd February at PIA Training Centre, Karachi, and got more than 80% marks but despite performing well in the interview in April, he was placed in the standby list.

But later, early this month, when he approached the concerned section of the PIA he found himself downgraded from amongst the first six to the next six and later the same day his name further went down in the list of standby candidates. The candidate said he did not want to make his name public as his name still reflected in the list of standby candidates. He claimed that some of his friends despite scoring more than 90 marks in the written exam could not make it while those scoring far less had been issued offer letters.

The MD PIA, Ejaz Haroon, was also contacted but he was not available. His special assistant though spoke to this correspondent to take the questions for the MD PIA and promised to get back to The News. It did not happen till the filing of this report.


https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/print/665248-appointment-of-80-pilots-in-pia-raises-many-eyebrows


"While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 (Musharraf Era) have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before." (PIA has the capacity of training 20-23 pilots per annum why they hired 66 pilots in a year or 80 pilots in a year??)


At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun,“There were many people who personally visited and PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicized manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past.

These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by board led by Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later died in an air crash. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the 2nd tenure of Benazir Bhutto

Another story . Over the past three years 2,171 people have been recruited in the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which has suffered losses worth Rs100 billion in the same time period.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/274443/crippling-losses-pia-loses-money-but-continues-to-add-workforce


Another controversy, General Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz have finally decided to appoint a new Chairman for PIA, as out-going and out of luck Chairman, Choudhry Ahmed Saeed

https://antisystemic.org/satribune/www.satribune.com/archives/200504/P1_pia.htm

Page 4 Minutes of the meeting also reveals a massive deception carried out by Chairman Saeed in the PIA budget. The last para says an “extra” Fuel Cost of Rs 500 million “over the budget” will be needed in the first quarter of 2005. The budget was finalized towards the end of 2004 and there was no mention of this extra cost, just to keep expenses low and show profits. Once that was done, within a few weeks an extra Rs 500 million is being added to the budget. This is manipulation of figures at its worst, or best. (Only this example shows how would Pakistan Steel managed to show profit at that time!!)

The other major scandal in which Saeed and Niaz used their connections with General Musharraf was to sell PIA shares in the Stock Market in April-July @ Rs 20.05 a share. Govt institutions were pressurized to buy these shares at that rate while the act price would have been less.

To give a false boost some of the institutional buyers were made to buy a lot which resulted PIA off loaded bulk of its shares @ Rs 20.05 in June-Jul 2004. Within weeks the price came down by 50 per cent and Nov 8 2004, the PIA stock was trading at the KSE at Rs 10.35 a share.
(This was a widely reported scandal, an inquiry was ordered to brush this scandal under the carpet, no finding came out yet.)

PIA’s aging fleets of aircraft have faced increasing technical issues, forcing many planes to be grounded in 2011. If this has happened in 2011 then Musharaf Era from 1999-2008 is responsible of this ageing fleet.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/268915/great-people-not-to-fly-with

Since 2001, PIA posted profits only in 2002 to 2004 period then till in fiscal 2007-08, PIA was carrying 43.1% of the international traffic from Pakistan, 2008 was also the worst year for the national flag carrier as it posted a loss of Rs35.88 billion.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/611180...eing-a-success-story-to-the-brink-of-collapse

PIA 35 planes out 42 were barred in 2007 as well The European Union has barred most of the planes of Pakistan International Airlines from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6418891.stm

What PMLN has to do with PIA deteriorated state when all this happened since first loss was posted in 1997 due to PPP era 95-97 policies and political appointments, then it went in profit in 1998 again , but after coup in 1999 onward to 2013 all big mess was created.


When PMLN came in Government in 2013 they took a right decision to Privatise this white elephant but PTI played an opposition role and criticised . Same happened with Pakistan Steel mills as well. Noe they themselves are up for privatisation of both national institutions.

PML-N govt hired 1,000 workers till 2016, though it reduced the overall number of PIA employees from 18,036 in 2008 to 14,847 by the end of 2015.


Researched courtesy https://twitter.com/zeeshan6020
CONCLUSION, NS ERA WAS ERA OF ANGELS.
 

AZ1

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Op bara masoom. Yani ppp aur musharraf ko kaho pmln ko nahi.

Junaid jamshed ki inquiry report kyn nahi ai thi plane crash ki?
 

Complete Sense

MPA (400+ posts)
One Sri Lankan plane was leased to PIA premium company not to PIA for six months for $19 million per annum not for $ 3 Billion for one year. Again you are spreading lies.
Mhafeez, saboot lao kay he is spreading lies🤣
 

khan_11

Minister (2k+ posts)
کوئی ثبوت ہیں تو سامنے لائیں؟؟ یونہی انٹ شنٹ نہ بولا کریں نیازی کی طرح
Mr patwari just answer one question how 17,19 and 21 years kids bought properties in London ,and for your information this is same time when Daewo get contract to build motorways.
 

jani1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میرے پاس بڑا اچھا جواب ہے لیکن میں تھریڈ خراب نہیں کرنا چاہتا
اچھا ۔۔۔۔ تو وہ مقدس تم تھی یا تھے۔۔۔
خیر دفع کرو۔۔۔

ثبوت کیا مانگتے ہو۔۔۔ سزائی آفتہ مجرم ہے نواز خبیث۔۔۔
 

CANSUK

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One Sri Lankan plane was leased to PIA premium company not to PIA for six months for $19 million per annum not for $ 3 Billion for one year. Again you are spreading lies.

3 Billion loss in one year on premier service
Check any news paper or you can check Wikipedia

Don’t blame others without doing any research work.
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hafeez Sahib
Tender notice is not for complete aircraft but for parts like landing gear, Engines erc.
On what basis you came to the conclusion that Premier service was a different airline than PIA?
BTW we are talking about $1.4millions for a airbus A310 which can fly can be sold much more than Cessna.
Pakistan had 23 A310s in 2011. All were grounded till 2017 on global pressure.

What will happen to these retired airliners is not rocket science as they will mostly rust at Karachi airport like many other airframes or they will broken down like many other A310s. Because last time when PIA advertised for auction nobody applied and only a museum in Germany wanted to buy the plane. The plane was sold to the sole bidder as nobody else applied for it. While lobbies inside PIA are trying to project through ignorant Pakistani media that some sort of mishap was done through this deal and the CEO has something to do with it.

Ready for next load at Islamabad’s Benazir Bhutto International airport. PIA’s Airbus A310
Nobody has bothered to look at the bidding process, nobody thought they can check how the process of auctioning a plane works and the CEO is not the sole person to decide as there are directors who look after specific tasks. But its seems easier to name the ceo then others. And why we are forgetting that these aircrafts are around 23 year old and there is very limited market for these aircrafts in passenger capacity. So clearly someone in PIA in collusion with few usual suspects in media is playing politics and their aim is to get rid of PIA ceo Bern Hildenbrand. Emboldened by the resignation of Azam Saigol these elements are now trying to destroy all the hard work that was done in previous year because in the rusting, degraded good for nothing PIA is their survival and survival of their political benefactors and puppeteers.






 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
mhafeez
What is difference between wet and dry lease and also why PIA acquired planes on wet lease for its premium service?
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Mr patwari just answer one question how 17,19 and 21 years kids bought properties in London ,and for your information this is same time when Daewo get contract to build motorways.
This thread is not about properties or Deawoo contract. Stick to the topic.
 
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