Most of the dubious appointments in PIAare from Musharraf Era and PPP times

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Most of the controversial appointments are from Musharraf Era and PPP times . None of these scandals ever happened in PMLN time neither 90's nor 2013-18. Only in 2009-2012 2,171 people were recruited in the PIA.

ISLAMABAD: The recent appointment of 80 pilots by the Pakistan International Airlines has raised many eyebrows with some insiders accusing the administration of foul play while some candidates too talk of irregularities. However, the airlines management brushed aside these reports, terming them as mere speculation.

While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before.

There are also reports of some candidates even challenging violations in the observance of regional and provincial quota while making these appointments. A candidate who claims to have got more than 80 per cent marks in the written test complains about his non-selection despite his excellent performance while those securing much lower marks than him were issued offer letters. He said that some, despite scoring in 90s in the written test, could not secure a job as pilot in the airlines.

Syed Sultan Hasan, the PIA spokesman, when approached said that the management had followed a transparent recruitment procedure that included newspaper advertisement, short-listing of the candidates, their test and interview. He though said that off hand he would not be able to comment on any individual case but insisted that the management did not receive any complaint against these appointments.

He said if there was anyone having any complaint against these appointments, he could go to the Federal Services Tribunal or knock the doors of courts. Sultan Hasan said the talk about irregularities in the appointment process was merely a speculation.

Hasan said that the PIA was facing shortage of pilots due to which it had to go for large scale appointments of pilots, who after going through their training period are appointed first officers and remained standby to fly. He agreed that almost 66 pilots, who

were issued offer letters in 2006, had yet to fly the national flag carrier.

Sources said 20 out of the 66 pilots have recently completed their training from airlines training centre in Karachi whereas the second batch of 23 pilots is presently undergoing training. The remaining 23 would be imparted training after the present batch completes its course.

It is said that those appointed in 2006 would have to perhaps wait for about another 6-7 months to become line pilots. The sources say that in such situation, instead of making fresh appointments of pilots in much higher number i.e. 80, the management should have opted to appoint a batch of 15-20 pilots annually. It is said that actually such a large number of appointments were made to select those who were already “earmarked”.

PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicised manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past. These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by a board led by the then Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later became the air chief and died in an air crash, in 1997. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the second tenure of Benazir Bhutto.

At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun, “There were many people who personally visited and made telephone calls alleging that ... (name excluded) took 15-20 lac rupees for leaking the paper (for the appointments of pilots).”

The PIA spokesman when asked about the 1997 inquiry said that he did not know about it. The 1997 inquiry also explained how a senior PIA official, who was sacked later but during the present regime given key employment related job that he lost too, was alleged to have shown question paper of the written examination at that time to some of his favourites.

A key official of the PM Secretariat during Benazir Bhutto’s second tenure, who also served against a top bureaucratic position in the same secretariat under Gilani but was later transferred, was also accused by the same inquiry of having demanded Rs 1.1m for leaking the question paper to the father of a candidate who had declined to pay the said amount. Another candidate, who had qualified the test for pilots in 1991, had joined the PIA in 1995 batch by virtue of his brother — then a serving Lt Gen in Pakistan Army.

According to one source, this time too the written paper had been leaked. The source said some close relations of even some serving pilots in the PIA had got close to 100% marks in the written exams whereas there were also gossips of corruption but there was no evidence available of such charges.

Meanwhile, a foreign qualified candidate, who had also applied for the pilot slot, on condition of not being named, said that he too appeared in the written test conducted on 22nd February at PIA Training Centre, Karachi, and got more than 80% marks but despite performing well in the interview in April, he was placed in the standby list.

But later, early this month, when he approached the concerned section of the PIA he found himself downgraded from amongst the first six to the next six and later the same day his name further went down in the list of standby candidates. The candidate said he did not want to make his name public as his name still reflected in the list of standby candidates. He claimed that some of his friends despite scoring more than 90 marks in the written exam could not make it while those scoring far less had been issued offer letters.

The MD PIA, Ejaz Haroon, was also contacted but he was not available. His special assistant though spoke to this correspondent to take the questions for the MD PIA and promised to get back to The News. It did not happen till the filing of this report.


https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/print/665248-appointment-of-80-pilots-in-pia-raises-many-eyebrows


"While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 (Musharraf Era) have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before." (PIA has the capacity of training 20-23 pilots per annum why they hired 66 pilots in a year or 80 pilots in a year??)


At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun,“There were many people who personally visited and PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicized manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past.

These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by board led by Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later died in an air crash. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the 2nd tenure of Benazir Bhutto

Another story . Over the past three years 2,171 people have been recruited in the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which has suffered losses worth Rs100 billion in the same time period.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/274443/crippling-losses-pia-loses-money-but-continues-to-add-workforce


Another controversy, General Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz have finally decided to appoint a new Chairman for PIA, as out-going and out of luck Chairman, Choudhry Ahmed Saeed

https://antisystemic.org/satribune/www.satribune.com/archives/200504/P1_pia.htm

Page 4 Minutes of the meeting also reveals a massive deception carried out by Chairman Saeed in the PIA budget. The last para says an “extra” Fuel Cost of Rs 500 million “over the budget” will be needed in the first quarter of 2005. The budget was finalized towards the end of 2004 and there was no mention of this extra cost, just to keep expenses low and show profits. Once that was done, within a few weeks an extra Rs 500 million is being added to the budget. This is manipulation of figures at its worst, or best. (Only this example shows how would Pakistan Steel managed to show profit at that time!!)

The other major scandal in which Saeed and Niaz used their connections with General Musharraf was to sell PIA shares in the Stock Market in April-July @ Rs 20.05 a share. Govt institutions were pressurized to buy these shares at that rate while the act price would have been less.

To give a false boost some of the institutional buyers were made to buy a lot which resulted PIA off loaded bulk of its shares @ Rs 20.05 in June-Jul 2004. Within weeks the price came down by 50 per cent and Nov 8 2004, the PIA stock was trading at the KSE at Rs 10.35 a share.
(This was a widely reported scandal, an inquiry was ordered to brush this scandal under the carpet, no finding came out yet.)

PIA’s aging fleets of aircraft have faced increasing technical issues, forcing many planes to be grounded in 2011. If this has happened in 2011 then Musharaf Era from 1999-2008 is responsible of this ageing fleet.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/268915/great-people-not-to-fly-with

Since 2001, PIA posted profits only in 2002 to 2004 period then till in fiscal 2007-08, PIA was carrying 43.1% of the international traffic from Pakistan, 2008 was also the worst year for the national flag carrier as it posted a loss of Rs35.88 billion.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/611180...eing-a-success-story-to-the-brink-of-collapse

PIA 35 planes out 42 were barred in 2007 as well The European Union has barred most of the planes of Pakistan International Airlines from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6418891.stm

What PMLN has to do with PIA deteriorated state when all this happened since first loss was posted in 1997 due to PPP era 95-97 policies and political appointments, then it went in profit in 1998 again , but after coup in 1999 onward to 2013 all big mess was created.


When PMLN came in Government in 2013 they took a right decision to Privatise this white elephant but PTI played an opposition role and criticised . Same happened with Pakistan Steel mills as well. Noe they themselves are up for privatisation of both national institutions.

PML-N govt hired 1,000 workers till 2016, though it reduced the overall number of PIA employees from 18,036 in 2008 to 14,847 by the end of 2015.


Researched courtesy https://twitter.com/zeeshan6020
 
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Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


بالکل جی بالکل! پانامہ فیم باؤ نواز تو ایک معصوم فرشتہ تھا . بس کچھ ارب، کھرب کا مال ہی تو چوری کیا تھا ہر ادارے میں اپنے جیسے جرائم پیشہ افراد کو بھرتی کر کے

الله دی شان ایس ڈھٹائی تے
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


بالکل جی بالکل! پانامہ فیم باؤ نواز تو ایک معصوم فرشتہ تھا . بس کچھ ارب، کھرب کا مال ہی تو چوری کیا تھا ہر ادارے میں اپنے جیسے جرائم پیشہ افراد کو بھرتی کر کے

الله دی شان ایس ڈھٹائی تے
کوئی ثبوت ہیں تو سامنے لائیں؟؟ یونہی انٹ شنٹ نہ بولا کریں نیازی کی طرح
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have mentioned this in the article:

"PML-N govt hired 1,000 workers till 2016, though it reduced the overall number of PIA employees from 18,036 in 2008 to 14,847 by the end of 2015."

PMLN added 19 aircrafts to PIA most by any government of Pakistan.



PIA has 434 pilots not 860. So don't spread lies.
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


بالکل جی بالکل! پانامہ فیم باؤ نواز تو ایک معصوم فرشتہ تھا . بس کچھ ارب، کھرب کا مال ہی تو چوری کیا تھا ہر ادارے میں اپنے جیسے جرائم پیشہ افراد کو بھرتی کر کے

الله دی شان ایس ڈھٹائی تے
بالکل تھا ، نواز شریف پچھلے ساٹھ سالوں میں سب سے نیک حکمران تھا
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


ایک، ایک من وزنی بڑا بھاری بھرکم سر بمہر ڈبہ سپریم کورٹ کے لاکر میں بڑی عزت اور حفاظت سے رکھا ہوا ہے . اس کے ہر طرف والیم ١٠ لکھا ملے گا ، دیکھنے کی تاب ہے تو عدالت میں درخواست دے کر کھلوا لیں . دنیا کا ہر ثبوت آپ کا منہ چڑا رہا ہو گا

 
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mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


ایک، ایک من وزنی بڑا بھاری برکم سر بمہر ڈبہ سپریم کورٹ کے لاکر میں بڑی عزت اور حفاظت سے رکھا ہوا ہے . اس کے ہر طرف والیم ١٠ لکھا ملے گا ، دیکھنے کی تاب ہے تو عدالت میں درخواست دے کر کھلوا لیں . دنیا کا ہر ثبوت آپ کا منہ چڑا رہا ہو گا

میرے پاس بڑا اچھا جواب ہے لیکن میں تھریڈ خراب نہیں کرنا چاہتا
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Most of the controversial appointments are from Musharraf Era and PPP times . None of these scandals ever happened in PMLN time neither 90's nor 2013-18. Only in 2009-2012 2,171 people were recruited in the PIA.

ISLAMABAD: The recent appointment of 80 pilots by the Pakistan International Airlines has raised many eyebrows with some insiders accusing the administration of foul play while some candidates too talk of irregularities. However, the airlines management brushed aside these reports, terming them as mere speculation.

While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before.

There are also reports of some candidates even challenging violations in the observance of regional and provincial quota while making these appointments. A candidate who claims to have got more than 80 per cent marks in the written test complains about his non-selection despite his excellent performance while those securing much lower marks than him were issued offer letters. He said that some, despite scoring in 90s in the written test, could not secure a job as pilot in the airlines.

Syed Sultan Hasan, the PIA spokesman, when approached said that the management had followed a transparent recruitment procedure that included newspaper advertisement, short-listing of the candidates, their test and interview. He though said that off hand he would not be able to comment on any individual case but insisted that the management did not receive any complaint against these appointments.

He said if there was anyone having any complaint against these appointments, he could go to the Federal Services Tribunal or knock the doors of courts. Sultan Hasan said the talk about irregularities in the appointment process was merely a speculation.

Hasan said that the PIA was facing shortage of pilots due to which it had to go for large scale appointments of pilots, who after going through their training period are appointed first officers and remained standby to fly. He agreed that almost 66 pilots, who

were issued offer letters in 2006, had yet to fly the national flag carrier.

Sources said 20 out of the 66 pilots have recently completed their training from airlines training centre in Karachi whereas the second batch of 23 pilots is presently undergoing training. The remaining 23 would be imparted training after the present batch completes its course.

It is said that those appointed in 2006 would have to perhaps wait for about another 6-7 months to become line pilots. The sources say that in such situation, instead of making fresh appointments of pilots in much higher number i.e. 80, the management should have opted to appoint a batch of 15-20 pilots annually. It is said that actually such a large number of appointments were made to select those who were already “earmarked”.

PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicised manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past. These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by a board led by the then Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later became the air chief and died in an air crash, in 1997. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the second tenure of Benazir Bhutto.

At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun, “There were many people who personally visited and made telephone calls alleging that ... (name excluded) took 15-20 lac rupees for leaking the paper (for the appointments of pilots).”

The PIA spokesman when asked about the 1997 inquiry said that he did not know about it. The 1997 inquiry also explained how a senior PIA official, who was sacked later but during the present regime given key employment related job that he lost too, was alleged to have shown question paper of the written examination at that time to some of his favourites.

A key official of the PM Secretariat during Benazir Bhutto’s second tenure, who also served against a top bureaucratic position in the same secretariat under Gilani but was later transferred, was also accused by the same inquiry of having demanded Rs 1.1m for leaking the question paper to the father of a candidate who had declined to pay the said amount. Another candidate, who had qualified the test for pilots in 1991, had joined the PIA in 1995 batch by virtue of his brother — then a serving Lt Gen in Pakistan Army.

According to one source, this time too the written paper had been leaked. The source said some close relations of even some serving pilots in the PIA had got close to 100% marks in the written exams whereas there were also gossips of corruption but there was no evidence available of such charges.

Meanwhile, a foreign qualified candidate, who had also applied for the pilot slot, on condition of not being named, said that he too appeared in the written test conducted on 22nd February at PIA Training Centre, Karachi, and got more than 80% marks but despite performing well in the interview in April, he was placed in the standby list.

But later, early this month, when he approached the concerned section of the PIA he found himself downgraded from amongst the first six to the next six and later the same day his name further went down in the list of standby candidates. The candidate said he did not want to make his name public as his name still reflected in the list of standby candidates. He claimed that some of his friends despite scoring more than 90 marks in the written exam could not make it while those scoring far less had been issued offer letters.

The MD PIA, Ejaz Haroon, was also contacted but he was not available. His special assistant though spoke to this correspondent to take the questions for the MD PIA and promised to get back to The News. It did not happen till the filing of this report.


https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/print/665248-appointment-of-80-pilots-in-pia-raises-many-eyebrows


"While none of the 66 pilots appointed in 2006 (Musharraf Era) have started flying as most of them are yet to complete their basic training, the airlines has now issued offer letters to a much bigger junk of 80 pilots at a much faster pace than before." (PIA has the capacity of training 20-23 pilots per annum why they hired 66 pilots in a year or 80 pilots in a year??)


At one point, the inquiry even said about the same PIA top gun,“There were many people who personally visited and PIA sources alleged that these appointments were made in highly politicized manner by the top management that has been involved in similar practices even in the past.

These sources referred to an inquiry conducted by board led by Air Vice Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, who later died in an air crash. They alleged that a top man in the present management was found involved in irregular selection procedures during the 2nd tenure of Benazir Bhutto

Another story . Over the past three years 2,171 people have been recruited in the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which has suffered losses worth Rs100 billion in the same time period.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/274443/crippling-losses-pia-loses-money-but-continues-to-add-workforce


Another controversy, General Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz have finally decided to appoint a new Chairman for PIA, as out-going and out of luck Chairman, Choudhry Ahmed Saeed

https://antisystemic.org/satribune/www.satribune.com/archives/200504/P1_pia.htm

Page 4 Minutes of the meeting also reveals a massive deception carried out by Chairman Saeed in the PIA budget. The last para says an “extra” Fuel Cost of Rs 500 million “over the budget” will be needed in the first quarter of 2005. The budget was finalized towards the end of 2004 and there was no mention of this extra cost, just to keep expenses low and show profits. Once that was done, within a few weeks an extra Rs 500 million is being added to the budget. This is manipulation of figures at its worst, or best. (Only this example shows how would Pakistan Steel managed to show profit at that time!!)

The other major scandal in which Saeed and Niaz used their connections with General Musharraf was to sell PIA shares in the Stock Market in April-July @ Rs 20.05 a share. Govt institutions were pressurized to buy these shares at that rate while the act price would have been less.

To give a false boost some of the institutional buyers were made to buy a lot which resulted PIA off loaded bulk of its shares @ Rs 20.05 in June-Jul 2004. Within weeks the price came down by 50 per cent and Nov 8 2004, the PIA stock was trading at the KSE at Rs 10.35 a share.
(This was a widely reported scandal, an inquiry was ordered to brush this scandal under the carpet, no finding came out yet.)

PIA’s aging fleets of aircraft have faced increasing technical issues, forcing many planes to be grounded in 2011. If this has happened in 2011 then Musharaf Era from 1999-2008 is responsible of this ageing fleet.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/268915/great-people-not-to-fly-with

Since 2001, PIA posted profits only in 2002 to 2004 period then till in fiscal 2007-08, PIA was carrying 43.1% of the international traffic from Pakistan, 2008 was also the worst year for the national flag carrier as it posted a loss of Rs35.88 billion.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/611180...eing-a-success-story-to-the-brink-of-collapse

PIA 35 planes out 42 were barred in 2007 as well The European Union has barred most of the planes of Pakistan International Airlines from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6418891.stm

What PMLN has to do with PIA deteriorated state when all this happened since first loss was posted in 1997 due to PPP era 95-97 policies and political appointments, then it went in profit in 1998 again , but after coup in 1999 onward to 2013 all big mess was created.


When PMLN came in Government in 2013 they took a right decision to Privatise this white elephant but PTI played an opposition role and criticised . Same happened with Pakistan Steel mills as well. Noe they themselves are up for privatisation of both national institutions.

PML-N govt hired 1,000 workers till 2016, though it reduced the overall number of PIA employees from 18,036 in 2008 to 14,847 by the end of 2015.


Researched courtesy https://twitter.com/zeeshan6020
Hafeez Sahib
Who did hire Bernd Hildenbrand as a CEO of PIA? Was any PIA plane sold in his times or not?
Thanks
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The biggest beneficiary of PIA's downfall is Shahid Khaqan Abbasi who was the chairperson of PIA from 1997 to 1999 and started his own airline 'Airblue' in 2003.
Shahid Khaqan Abaasi turned a loss making entity into a profit making entity. Did Shahid Khaqan Abaasi appinted 10,000 employees during 1999-2008 and 3000 during PPP era??
 

CANSUK

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have mentioned this in the article:

"PML-N govt hired 1,000 workers till 2016, though it reduced the overall number of PIA employees from 18,036 in 2008 to 14,847 by the end of 2015."

PMLN added 19 aircrafts to PIA most by any government of Pakistan.


PIA has 434 pilots not 860. So don't spread lies.
In 2016 and 2017 PIA got planes on lease from SRI LANKAN Airlines and PAGASUS AIRLINEs
Did you remember the loss on premier service started by nawaz ? on Sri lankan leased planes $ 3 BILLION only in one year.
860 pilots in total,
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hafeez Sahib
Who did hire Bernd Hildenbrand as a CEO of PIA? Was any PIA plane sold in his times or not?
Thanks
Read the article again. The plane was an Airbus-310 which were grounded by PIA back in 2011. The plane was sold to German Museum for $1.4 million with the permission on CAA, Gen. Kayani's brother was head of CAA at that time. Bernd Hildenbrand only traveled back to his native country after retirement. PIA has still 20 of these types of air-crafts with no buyers, as no other country allowes these types of planes to fly anymore.
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Shahid Khaqan Abaasi turned a loss making entity into a profit making entity. Did Shahid Khaqan Abaasi appinted 10,000 employees during 1999-2008 and 3000 during PPP era??
Hafeez Sahib
In which era a Premier Service was started by PIA by taking planes from Sri Lanka on Wet lease? Why this service was shutdown despite being very successful declared by Maryam Nawaz?
Also when Nawaz started working from his London Home and declared it PM office, did we kept a Plane parked at some London Airport or not?
Thanks
 
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