Let's talk; India, Pak can't afford war: Gilani

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New Delhi, Jan 28 (IANS) Making a fresh pitch for the resumption of composite dialogue with India, Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani Thursday said the two countries can't be held "hostage to one incident" of 26/11 and should revive talks as both cannot "afford war".

Even after seven dossiers given by New Delhi linking Pakistani nationals with the Mumbai attacks, Gilani has said India needs to provide more evidence about the role of Hafiz Saeed, suspected mastermind of the 26/11 attacks, and more information about the other accused, so that they may be prosecuted.

With India hardening its stand that the stalled dialogue can resume only after Pakistan takes tangible action against the 26/11 accused, Gilani contended that the refusal to engage in talks will only strengthen the hands of terrorists.

Saying that matters got "stuck" after the Mumbai terror attacks, the Pakistan prime minister said that "1.25 billion people should not be made hostage to one incident".

"If we are hostage to one incident then the beneficiaries are terrorists and therefore we should move ahead," Gilani told CNN-IBN news channel in an interview.

"I think dialogue is the only answer. We are both responsible nations and we can move forward. We can't afford war. I think only way forward is talks," he said while trying to downplay the trading of diplomatic barbs over the alleged exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the Indian Premier League (IPL) tournament.

Describing his meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Sharm el-Sheikh in July last year as "very good", Gilani said that both of them "had understanding that we both are suffering from terrorism".

"There are 101 Mumbai-like incidents in Pakistan after that (26/11)," he said, adding that Pakistan faces such attacks on a daily basis.

Amid India's suspicions about the involvement of Pakistan in recent incidents of violence in Jammu and Kashmir and a spike in infiltration, Gilani said: "There had been some irresponsible statements from the Army Chief of India."

"There is a tension because of that and at the same time that is an indigenous movement in Kashmir that hasn't anything to do with Pakistan."

Gilani also demanded more evidence against Saeed so that Pakistani authorities can act against him. "We need further information about his role in that incident and at the same time we need more evidence to put him to task," Gilani said.

Gilani claimed that Saeed was already under trial and a decision on arresting him has to be decided by the court.

Acknowledging several dossiers given by India linking Pakistani nationals with the Mumbai mayhem, Gilani made it clear that more information was needed to build up a convincing case for penalising the perpetrators of the carnage.

"We appreciate that, but at the same time, we ask for something more, and we hope we will be getting that evidence," he said.

India has made Pakistan's action against Saeed, the chief of the outlawed Jamaat-ud-Dawa, an Islamic charity that served as a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, as a touchstone of Islamabad's sincerity in bringing the Mumbai attackers to justice.

New Delhi has also made it clear many a time that it has given sufficient evidence to Islamabad to prosecute Saeed, a demagogue known for his virulent anti-India speeches.

A day after Pakistani investigators admitted the LeT's role in the 26/11 attacks, Home Minister P. Chidambaram Thursday said that LeT operations commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi is only one of the 26/11 masterminds and that there are other masterminds, a veiled reference to Pakistan dragging its feet on Saeed.

Tense subcontinental ties detract from war on terror: Nawaz

Islamabad, Jan 28 (IANS) Tense subcontinental ties will detract from Pakistan's war against terror on its western borders, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif said Thursday.

"Prosperity of the people of India and Pakistan and sustainable peace and stability in the region can be ensured only if both countries enjoy good relations," Online news agency quoted Sharif as telling Indian High Commissioner Sharat Sabharwal at the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader's country villa at Raiwand on the outskirts of Lahore.

"Both the countries need to resolve the disputed issues, especially the Kashmir issue, with meaningful dialogue," he added.

According to Sharif, the political leadership of India and Pakistan must take serious initiatives for resuming the composite dialogue process.

Pakistan-India relations, revival of the composite dialogue and the regional situation were among the topics discussed during the meeting.

Sabharwal said that the government and people of India want cordial and friendly relations, adding that both countries have to solve their issues through the dialogue process after revival of confidence building measures.

Pakistan victim of terror, faced 101 Mumbai-like incidents: Gilani

New Delhi, Jan 28 (IANS) Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani has said his country was a victim of terrorism with "101 Mumbai-like incidents" taking place and asked India to resume dialogue as both the countries "cannot afford war".

"There are 101 Mumbai-like incident in Pakistan after that. Dialogue is the only answer. We are both responsible nations. We can only move forward. We cannot afford war. The only way forward is talks," Gilani said in an interview to CNN-IBN television channel broadcast Thursday.

India had stopped all dialogue with Pakistan after the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, with the Indian government alleging that the terror conspiracy was hatched on Pakistani soil.

Pakistan has recently brought charges against seven accused for the Mumbai attack but not against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafez Saeed, whom India accuses of being the main conspirator.

"He is already under trial. In fact it has to be decided by the court," Gilani said, denying that Pakistan was dragging its feet.

"We needed further information about that incident and at the same time we need more evidence to put him to task," Gilani said, reiterating Pakistan's stance that there was not enough information for a strong case against Saeed.

"In fact, we had asked for further info, so that we should strengthen the case. We have already registered the case. The matter is sub-judice in the Lahore High Court."

Gilani also reacted to the statement by US Defence secretary Robert Gates that India may not be as patient with Pakistan, if another Mumbai-like incident were to happen.

"I was of the opinion when I talked to Gates, if there is any credible information, we are ready to share with india. That should be pre-empted before time, not after that. If India has any information, they can share with us. We are ready to share any intelligence or any sort of info. We are ready to support you," he said.

Gilani also reacted to recent comments by Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram that India does not accept the argument of non-state actors being solely responsible for the attacks.

"If you have any information, instead of saying that we will bracket the (Pakistan) government with it (non-state actors), it is better that you share it with us so that we jointly resolve the issue," he said.

Gilani urged India to restart the dialogue process.

He referred to the joint statement issued together after the meeting with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt on the sidelines of non-aligned leaders' summit in 2009.

"That was a very good meeting. We discussed all issues. And we had (an) understanding that we both are suffering from terrorism," Gilani said.

The Pakistani leader said that "1.25 billion should not be made hostage to one incident".

"So (if) we are hostage to this incident, then the beneficiary is the terrorist. Therefore, we should move forward".

"Certainly, we condemn terrorism and we always believe that neither Pakistani or Indian soil to be used against each other. We are the victims of terrorism. You know how we are fighting the war on terrorism," asserted Gilani.
 

adonis_look

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Gilani saheb let me give an example..

let us say you have a son who god forbid is terro in neighbourhood but is good to you. You never reprimand him for terrorizing the neighbourhood. One fine day that son of yours points his terror guns at you too. Now when people complain to you about your son's terror you can't hide behind the fact that he is terrrorizing you too. Since all those years when he was nice to you you not only not checked him but even enocuraged him.. So it doesn;t matter how big a terror that son is at home neighbours still would complain to you and they have every right..

Now replace that sone by taliban and yourself by pakistan and neigbour by India.. Hope you will see the light
 

adonis_look

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
furry87 said:
hmm nothing new here , same stuff probably falling on deff ears again

Are you guys planning another Kargil by any chance seeing this pitched peace noise makes me little wary.. you know once bitten twice shy :-))
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Bro you have to accept atleast some responsiblity of it, we cannot control every person on the face of this earth, it is not pakistans responsibility. This whole thing stems from kashmir but india does not want to talk about that. Let adress the root cause of the so called muslim hatred. Personally i dont think there is any hate from pakistans side , we do not ban your channels or your sportmen or politicians from coming here and we definately do not hold rallies where little girls sit and read poems about cutting pakis into pieces.So lets be honest here instead of fighting ,where do u think the hatred if u wanna believe that comes from ,what is the cause do you think us being muslims are required by islamic law to kill non believers ?? or could it be 60 years of kashmir issue ??Think about it this way, the samjhota bombing happend , and now one of ur army personal was convicted of carrying it out, you could not stop him , 50 pakistanis died and you still blamed us...now you still have the naxals and the maoist and the khalsas training and killing indians,what happens if they want to attack paksitan, do you think india can stop them ??because if u cannto stop them from killing in india you canot stop them from killling in pakistan..Plus india has to take responsibility of the security and inteligence failure.

Can any indian disagree with what i said above ?? yes of no i dont need an explanation as to why you dont agree with it.
 

adonis_look

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
furry87 said:
Bro you have to accept atleast some responsiblity of it, we cannot control every person on the face of this earth, it is not pakistans responsibility. This whole thing stems from kashmir but india does not want to talk about that. Let adress the root cause of the so called muslim hatred. Personally i dont think there is any hate from pakistans side , we do not ban your channels or your sportmen or politicians from coming here and we definately do not hold rallies where little girls sit and read poems about cutting pakis into pieces.So lets be honest here instead of fighting ,where do u think the hatred if u wanna believe that comes from ,what is the cause do you think us being muslims are required by islamic law to kill non believers ?? or could it be 60 years of kashmir issue ??Think about it this way, the samjhota bombing happend , and now one of ur army personal was convicted of carrying it out, you could not stop him , 50 pakistanis died and you still blamed us...now you still have the naxals and the maoist and the khalsas training and killing indians,what happens if they want to attack paksitan, do you think india can stop them ??because if u cannto stop them from killing in india you canot stop them from killling in pakistan..Plus india has to take responsibility of the security and inteligence failure.

Can any indian disagree with what i said above ?? yes of no i dont need an explanation as to why you dont agree with it.
Fair enough even if Taliban LET JUD are your creation one can buy argument that these people are out of your control you can't control all of them.. What is worrying to India is the length you go to hide defend these folks.. LET JUD chief roams around like hero so used to do taliban.. we have witnessed five hardcopre terrorists who were released in return of a hijacked plane ending up in pakistan.. all treated as valued guest.. this part is what pi$$es indian off.. You can't on one hand say yo have no control and otoh give their organization free rein....particualrlry not when you have the past of open daliance with them.... we would be fool if you give this level of benfit of doubt..

Take for instance this qasab episode pakistan made every excuse possible and accepted it only when UN said so.. This is not the behavious of someone who claims to be cooperating with investigation...
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
adonis_look said:
furry87 said:
Bro you have to accept atleast some responsiblity of it, we cannot control every person on the face of this earth, it is not pakistans responsibility. This whole thing stems from kashmir but india does not want to talk about that. Let adress the root cause of the so called muslim hatred. Personally i dont think there is any hate from pakistans side , we do not ban your channels or your sportmen or politicians from coming here and we definately do not hold rallies where little girls sit and read poems about cutting pakis into pieces.So lets be honest here instead of fighting ,where do u think the hatred if u wanna believe that comes from ,what is the cause do you think us being muslims are required by islamic law to kill non believers ?? or could it be 60 years of kashmir issue ??Think about it this way, the samjhota bombing happend , and now one of ur army personal was convicted of carrying it out, you could not stop him , 50 pakistanis died and you still blamed us...now you still have the naxals and the maoist and the khalsas training and killing indians,what happens if they want to attack paksitan, do you think india can stop them ??because if u cannto stop them from killing in india you canot stop them from killling in pakistan..Plus india has to take responsibility of the security and inteligence failure.

Can any indian disagree with what i said above ?? yes of no i dont need an explanation as to why you dont agree with it.
Fair enough even if Taliban LET JUD are your creation one can buy argument that these people are out of your control you can't control all of them.. What is worrying to India is the length you go to hide defend these folks.. LET JUD chief roams around like hero so used to do taliban.. we have witnessed five hardcopre terrorists who were released in return of a hijacked plane ending up in pakistan.. all treated as valued guest.. this part is what pi$$es indian off.. You can't on one hand say yo have no control and otoh give their organization free rein....particualrlry not when you have the past of open daliance with them.... we would be fool if you give this level of benfit of doubt..

Take for instance this qasab episode pakistan made every excuse possible and accepted it only when UN said so.. This is not the behavious of someone who claims to be cooperating with investigation...
If india had solved the kashmir issue like is said it would , we would not need all these organisations ,problems solved...you put pakistan in a tough spot by creating hatred for ur self...you know we have kashmiris on our side ,if you keep raping and killing thier families than ofcourse these people are going to find a way to kill you , and ofcourse there will be people who will hide them and train them ...so please take some responsibility ..and ill say this much it was probably a wrong policy for us to use terror to highlight the kashmir issue.
 

IndiaGuy

Senator (1k+ posts)
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.
 

JIJA_JI

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IndiaGuy said:
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.

I have to agree.
 

adonis_look

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
IndiaGuy said:
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.


Best that could be done is porous border ... in course of time may be MLAs from boht side could sit into each other's assembly.. but that kind of trust will take time..

Ye gazba-e-hind ki noise ke sath wo trust to nahin aani hai..

And yes Indian army doesn't gain anythign by being there.. like there was minimal presence of army before 1987 once again if peace is restored army will go into barrock..

let me make it further clear wherever there is prolonged stay of army some human rights violation happens and whenver wherever we come to know guilty get punsihed.. the propaganda of somehow indian army is there just to rape and torture is baseless .. army is there to check the terrorists inflow in India and there other not so peaceful designs..

live and let live..

YEs our side of kashmir never faces fund crunch they get unproprotinately high federal funding so no need to worry o n that front
 

JIJA_JI

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adonis_look said:
IndiaGuy said:
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.


Best that could be done is porous border ... in course of time may be MLAs from boht side could sit into each other's assembly.. but that kind of trust will take time..

Ye gazba-e-hind ki noise ke sath wo trust to nahin aani hai..

And yes Indian army doesn't gain anythign by being there.. like there was minimal presence of army before 1987 once again if peace is restored army will go into barrock..

let me make it further clear wherever there is prolonged stay of army some human rights violation happens and whenver wherever we come to know guilty get punsihed.. the propaganda of somehow indian army is there just to rape and torture is baseless .. army is there to check the terrorists inflow in India and there other not so peaceful designs..

live and let live..

YEs our side of kashmir never faces fund crunch they get unproprotinately high federal funding so no need to worry o n that front

:)
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
IndiaGuy said:
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.


LOL that is what you do not understand these people who want to attack you are from kashmir (there are pakistanis in there too), pakistan has a massive population of kashmiris in pakistan ,kashmiris live in UK ,US,AUS and many other western countries, you cannot keep them quiet even if paksitan shuts up......

ISLAMABAD: Omar Saeed Sheikh, a detained Pakistani militant, had made hoax calls to President Asif Ali Zardari and the Chief of Army Staff, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, in a bid to heighten Pakistan-India tensions after last years terrorist attacks on Mumbai, investigators have told Dawn.You can read the whole story here cause id ont want to waste time.Lets just say he alsmot started world war 3.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... 0war-hs-02
kashmiris are in the pakistan army, lots of them , there is an azad jamu and kashmir regiment with mostly kashmiris in it...you cannot keep them quiet, lets say u keep the pakistani side quiet the kashmiris in pakistan are going to call us traitors as they are doing now and have started bombing in all parts of pakitan, you have to understand that pakistan is not floating in the air we have certain pressures too ...lets say we shut our mouths , you think the arabs and the turkish and alqieda and the afghans and iran are going to keep their mouth shut...we have a reputation to keep...but again this is just for arugments sake i have already explained to adoonis and red why i think kashmir is rightfully pakistans, u cannot wish kashmir to be an integral part of india ..The UN resolution says otherwise...can u imagine if pakistan adopted this belligerent attitude ??we dont care its our and we'll take it attitude??..i dont care if u keep it forever atleast admit that it belongs with pakistan .according to international law and in all honesty...i just want you to admit it ,and after that you ssay okay but we will not give it to you , or its too late or whatevrr just admit to the facts
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
adonis_look said:
IndiaGuy said:
Kashmir has been integral part of India and It will be.If Pakistan ever think of Independace of Kashmir then I don't think Indo- Pak relation will be improved.Lats face it, Kashmir is done deal.Its over.Lets move forward and enjoy the feature.


Best that could be done is porous border ... in course of time may be MLAs from boht side could sit into each other's assembly.. but that kind of trust will take time..

Ye gazba-e-hind ki noise ke sath wo trust to nahin aani hai..

And yes Indian army doesn't gain anythign by being there.. like there was minimal presence of army before 1987 once again if peace is restored army will go into barrock..

let me make it further clear wherever there is prolonged stay of army some human rights violation happens and whenver wherever we come to know guilty get punsihed.. the propaganda of somehow indian army is there just to rape and torture is baseless .. army is there to check the terrorists inflow in India and there other not so peaceful designs..

live and let live..

YEs our side of kashmir never faces fund crunch they get unproprotinately high federal funding so no need to worry o n that front

We have asked india to adopt each and everysingle outcome possible but india does not accept and stalls the talks...last time it was the samjhota attacks which as ur agencies proved were not our fault , and this time its mumbai attacks...do see a clearer picture now, do you see why we dont trust each other...you cannot just shut ur eyes to the other side ...we admit we have a terror problem , we admit our people mightve commited mumbai attacks ...but ur too arogant to admit ur own faults ...and u always focus on the reaction you dont talk about the cause...also my indian friends if you think pakistan is exagurating the rape cases and the mass graves and kidnappings then please please dont take our words for it ,research it ur self ..if you want i cant find you interviews and documentaries carried out by international and indian organisations,please dont think its just us...when a state is at risk then it starts moving its muscle to do anything to save its self...balochistan is no except ,the balochis claim we killed 8000 of their people in the past 30 years we are no angels, you have to do these things cause some people do not want to be with you and challenge ur state ...and the state puts them to rest...i hope this explains it
 

hiramir34

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Pakistan is fighting a war already within itself that it can not affoard any more rivals in the current situation. I believe we can not achieve stability unless we defeat the Taliban and extremist groups especially in the northern areas who try to hurt our people and kill innocent beings.