Jewish woman chased by men armed with clubs during the Lviv pogrom 1941

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The woman in the picture was probably raped and tortured and beaten to death after that snap, just like other jews in Lviv. Look at her face, she probably never even heard of Palestine before.

95% of Jews in Lithuania were killed before Israel was even formed. They had nothing to do with Palestine.

They were human beings but I do not expect you to condemn Hitler. But atleast it will make you aware how religion and hate dehumanizes people.

its hard to condemn hitler when the victim of that violence is doing worse then hitler in palestine and middle east and the people who actually did violence to jews are living next door to you and might be your european neighbours and have nothing to do with pakistan so for you to deliberately bringing that up on a pakistani forum definitely shows your agenda

i understand you are trying to connect the dots here and prove your self right but your agenda will not work
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The woman in the picture was probably raped and tortured and beaten to death after that snap, just like other jews in Lviv. Look at her face, she probably never even heard of Palestine before.

95% of Jews in Lithuania were killed before Israel was even formed. They had nothing to do with Palestine.

They were human beings but I do not expect you to condemn Hitler. But atleast it will make you aware how religion and hate dehumanizes people.
religion has been used to get away with your personal goals and gains of destroying nations and achieving their own goals which has nothing to with religion

i can not ever blame any religion for violence in this world its the individuals who are responsible for it
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There will always be good people who do good things and bad people who do bad things. But to make good people do bad things you need religion.

When you through evidence, reason and logic out of the window then you can brainwash people to do or believe anything. That mindset is reason for zionism, crusades, holocaust, fascism and terrorism.

religion has been used to get away with your personal goals and gains of destroying nations and achieving their own goals which has nothing to with religion

i can not ever blame any religion for violence in this world its the individuals who are responsible for it
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There will always be good people who do good things and bad people who do bad things. But to make good people do bad things you need religion.

When you through evidence, reason and logic out of the window then you can brainwash people to do or believe anything. That mindset is reason for zionism, crusades, holocaust, fascism and terrorism.

humans Brain is designed to live with reason and make decisions based on their personal goals we are the ones who twist religious scriptures to manipulate other person into believing what is not true for our own persona goals

if you look in the history why did Allah keep sending prophets its because people keep changing scriptures and doing and spreading evil in the world so lets acknowledge the problem is with human race not with religion

Religion has always spread peace regardless of any religion its humans who twist religions into making it work for their own goals
 

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The attitude in the Quran change depending on when those verses were written. After the Banu Qurayza massacre most of the verses have shown Jews in a negative light. Same can be seen in Sahih Hadith from that time.

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

The effects of these anti jewish teachings are very evident in our society, just read the comments to this thread. You will find people criticizing Zionism and I do too. But they do not have the ability to sympathize with the atrocities committed against Jews because of all the anti-semitic brainwashing since childhood.
Since you are mentally stuck in your way of thinking, there is not much to argue about,
But
Since the Caliph Umar RA invited the jews back to Jerusalem and till the time Israel was created there was no animosity against the jews approx 1200 plus years , they actually lived in prosperous times. Isreal was created because the european Whiteys didnt want jews coming into their countries, Then the jews with the backing of the british and french forced and took over all of palestine forced all of the muslims civilians out, after that the animosity against the injustice started and continues till this day.


Muslims will stand against Injustice weather its in Palestine, Kashmir or any other place.
Its only a matter of time, if the world history has thought us , nothing last for ever, injustice is paid back in full. regardless how many centuries it takes.
 

Pathfinder

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Jewish woman chased by men and youth armed with clubs during the Lviv pogroms, 1941

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Woman chased by men and youth armed with clubs, Medova Street in Lviv, July 1941.

Chased by youth armed with clubs, this woman is fleeing from a “death dealer” whose left leg can be seen at the left-hand edge of the photograph. The Lviv pogroms were the consecutive massacres of Jews living in the city of Lwów (now Lviv, Ukraine), perpetrated by Ukrainian nationalists from 30 June to 2 July 1941, and from 25 to 29 July 1941, during the Wehrmacht’s attack on Soviet-occupied eastern Poland in World War II.

Immediately after the German army entered Lviv, the prison gates were opened and the scale of the NKVD prisoner massacres carried out by the Soviets revealed. The report drafted by Judge Möller singled out the Jews as responsible for the Soviet atrocities in accordance with the Nazi theory of Judeo-Bolshevism, even though Polish Jews had nothing to do with the NKVD killings. As observed by British-Polish historian Prof. Norman Davies: “in the [Lviv] personnel of the Soviet security police at the time, the high percentage of Jews was striking”. The Einsatzgruppe C with the participation of Ukrainian National Militia organized the first pogrom, chiefly in revenge for the combined killings at Lviv’s three prisons including Brygidki, Łąckiego and Zamarstynowska Street prisons.

The Kovno Garage Massacre - Lithuanian nationalists clubbing Jewish Lithuanians to death, 1941

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Lithuanian nationalists clubbing Jewish Lithuanians to death. Kovno (Kaunas), Lithuania, June 27, 1941.

In June and July 1941, detachments of German Einsatzgruppen, together with Lithuanian auxiliaries, began murdering the Jews of Lithuania. Groups of partisans, civil units of nationalist-rightist anti-Soviet affiliation, initiated contact with the Germans as soon as they entered the Lithuanian territories. A rogue unit of insurgents headed by Algirdas Klimaitis and encouraged by Germans from the Sicherheitspolizei and Sicherheitsdienst, started anti-Jewish pogroms in Kaunas (Polish: Kovno) on the night of 25–27 June 1941. Over a thousand Jews perished over the next few days in what was the first pogrom in Nazi-occupied Lithuania. The most infamous incident occurred in what was later known as the Lietūkis Garage Massacre.


During the Lietūkis Garage Massacre, carried out before the invading Germans had actually set up their administration, 40-60 people were killed and publicly humiliated in the process. Jews were forced to gather on the afternoon in the courtyard of a garage at 43 Vitautas Avenue, in the center of the city. Some of them were killed with shovels, iron bars or by other barbaric methods. Lithuanian children were lifted onto the shoulder of their parents to catch a glimpse of the “Death Dealer of Kovno”, a sight that one German regular army officer later described as the most frightful event he’d witnessed in the course of two world wars.

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An unknown perpetrator (nicknamed the “Death Dealer”) at the massacre in the Lietūkis garage.

“On the concrete forecourt of the petrol station a blond man of medium height, aged about twenty-five, stood leaning on a wooden club, resting. The club was as thick as his arm and came up to his chest. At his feet lay about fifteen to twenty dead or dying people. Water flowed continuously from a hose washing blood away into the drainage gully. Just a few steps behind this man some twenty men, guarded by armed civilians, stood waiting for their cruel execution in silent submission. In response to a cursory wave the next man stepped forward silently and was beaten to death with the wooden club in the most bestial manner, each blow accompanied by enthusiastic shouts from the audience”. Once the mound of the bodies at his feet had reach fifty, the Death Dealer fetched an accordion, climbed to the top of the pile of the corpses, and played the Lithuanian national anthem.

This incident is well documented and well photographed, partly because it was a public event. There are various accounts of it from both German and Lithuanian sources. Laimonas Noreika was a resident of Kovno:

I can’t remember whether we left work early that day (my elder brother Albertas and I) or whether we went home at our usual time. Opposite the Kovno cemetery at the corner of Greenwald St and Vytautas Boulevard there was a small garage, which serviced light vehicles. A large crowd had gathered alongside the perimeter fence of the garage yard. So we also went over to see what was happening. I keep asking myself whether I just imagined it all but I know I did not.

Those horrific events have been burned onto my memory and will remain there until my dying day. In the middle of the yard, in broad daylight and in full view of the assembled crowd, a group of well dressed, spruce intelligent looking people held iron bars which they used to viciously beat another group of similarly well dressed, spruce, intelligent people. It was obvious the yard also served as a horse stable as animal droppings were littered everywhere.

The assailants yelled the word “norma” (move it) repeatedly as they relentlessly battered the Jews until they fell to the ground and began gathering feces. They kept hitting them until finally they lay inert. Then, using a hosepipe for washing cars, they doused them with water until they came round following which the abuse would start all over again. And so it went on and on until the hapless victims lay dead. Bodies began to pile up everywhere. I stood next to the fence and watched it all until finally, my brother Albertas pulled me away…


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Some of them were killed with shovels, iron bars or by other barbaric methods.

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Crowd views the aftermath of a massacre at Lietukis Garage, where pro-German Lithuanian nationalists killed more than 40-60 Jewish men.

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This incident is well documented and well photographed, partly because it was a public event.

Excerpt from testimony given by Colonel L. Von Bischoffshausen:



I arrived in Kovno on the afternoon of June 27 1941. Whilst patrolling the city I came across a crowd of people that had gathered alongside a gas station to watch was happening in the adjacent yard. There were women in the crowd and many of them clambered onto chairs and crates so that they and their children could get a better view of the “spectacle” taking place in the yard below. At first I thought this must be a victory celebration or some type of sporting event because of the cheering, clapping and laughter that kept breaking out.

However, when I asked what was happening I was told the “death dealer of Kovno” is at work and he would make sure that all “traitors and collaborators” received a fitting punishment for their “treachery.” When I drew closer I witnessed a display of brutality that was unparalleled by anything I saw in combat during two world wars.

Standing on the tarmac in the yard was a fair haired young man of around 25. He leaned on a long iron bar as thick as human arm and around his feet lay between fifteen to twenty people who were either dying or already dead. A few feet away from him stood another group of individuals who were guarded by armed men. Every few minutes he signaled with his hand and another person quietly stepped forward and had his skull shattered with one blow from the huge iron bar the killer held in his hand. Each blow he struck drew another round of clapping and cheering from the enthralled crowd.


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Lithuanian children were lifted onto the shoulder of their parents to catch a glimpse of the “Death Dealer of Kovno”, a sight that one German regular army officer later described as the most frightful event he’d witnessed in the course of two world wars.

During World War II, 91-95% of Lithuania’s Jewish population of Lithuanian Jews were killed – almost all the Jews who had not managed to leave Lithuania and its environs. This was the highest casualty rate of Jews in any nation in the Holocaust. An important component to the Holocaust in Lithuania was that the occupying Nazi German administration fanned antisemitism by blaming the Soviet regime’s recent annexation of Lithuania, a year earlier, on the Jewish community. Another factor was the German plan for early colonization of Lithuania – which shared a border with German East Prussia – in accordance with their Generalplan Ost; hence the high priority given to the extermination of the relatively small Lithuanian Jewish community.

(Photo credit: Dokumetationsarchiv Des Osterreichischen Wiederstand / Yad Vashem / Hirsch (Zvi) Kadushin).

knowing that you are a left wing batty faux commie socialist. What are your thoughts on the way Jews were handled in the soviet union?
 

Masud Javed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
absolutely crazy
how could so many humans turned into evil and as a mob killed so many

this makes me believe
shaitaan exist!
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I'm not left wing or right wing.

My critique is not against religion. Its against beliefs/ideas that are not backed by evidence aka based on faith. Bolshevism, Stalin-ism, Zionism, Trumanism, Nazism all fall under that.

I don't think Stalin handled Jews any better than Hitler, as I said, racism, hate, discrimination, intolerance and antisemitism was widespread all over Western and Eastern Europe. It was not just Hitler's Germany that discriminated against Jews.

Why would one human being slaughter another one just because they have a certain religious belief, its because of irrational beliefs that are based on faith.


knowing that you are a left wing batty faux commie socialist. What are your thoughts on the way Jews were handled in the soviet union?
 

shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
The poster of this thread is mentally sick. Posting a historic photo from 1941 and blaming Pakistani and Mullahs for the genocide of the Jews?. For fuck sake , realize that this has nothing to do with Pakistan. World wars atrocities against the jews were committed by the Christian Europeans and not by Pakistan. For the poster and his irrational mindset of accusing Pakistani and Muslims for atrocities against the Jews , I present him this trophy :

Instant Bullshit award for the poster of this Thread
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That is very apparent from most of the comments. No one is willing to criticize Hitler. They will criticize Modi for being inspired by Hitler but wont condemn Hitler himself.

Right now there is an issue going on with the Mandir in Islamabad. Muslims have mosques in literally every major city in the world, there are 50 mosques in Sydney and often they are funded by govt, but they are objecting to one single mandir in Islamabad.

The other day I was watching a video of a father in Pakistan who is a poor Riksha driver crying on camera because his underage daughter was raped and police wont file fir and nobody will listen to him. When it comes to putting down minorities then everyone is a lion of Islam, when it comes to fight against tyranny and speaking out against it every one is silent.


Muslims will stand against Injustice weather its in Palestine, Kashmir or any other place.
Its only a matter of time, if the world history has thought us , nothing last for ever, injustice is paid back in full. regardless how many centuries it takes.
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That is very apparent from most of the comments. No one is willing to criticize Hitler. They will criticize Modi for being inspired by Hitler but wont condemn Hitler himself.

Right now there is an issue going on with the Mandir in Islamabad. Muslims have mosques in literally every major city in the world, there are 50 mosques in Sydney and often they are funded by govt, but they are objecting to one single mandir in Islamabad.

The other day I was watching a video of a father in Pakistan who is a poor Riksha driver crying on camera because his underage daughter was raped and police wont file fir and nobody will listen to him. When it comes to putting down minorities then everyone is a lion of Islam, when it comes to fight against tyranny and speaking out against it every one is silent.

i thought this thread had nothing to do with pakistan and islam how typical of a hindu terrorist to change its agenda
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He mentioned Muslims and how they are champions against injustice. I was replying to his comment.

pakistan have other minorities as well you choose only muslim to attack
he also mentioned kashmir and also mentioned history and in justice you had to go directly at pakistan and islam wow its true what they say a hindu terrorist never change no matter what
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I did not pick Muslims, he did. Look, I know what you are trying to do. You are desperately trying associate me with a negative group for personal attacks because you have no actual argument or counter argument. If you cannot conduct yourself in a civil manner I will have to add you to ignore

pakistan have other minorities as well you choose only muslim to attack
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I did not pick Muslims, he did. Look, I know what you are trying to do. You are desperately trying associate me with a negative group for personal attacks because you have no actual argument or counter argument. If you cannot conduct yourself in a civil manner I will have to add you to ignore
please do add me to ignore list i will be gald to be ignored by pathetic scum like you
 

RealPeople

Minister (2k+ posts)
But now Muslims are paying the price which have done nothing to them, as a matter of fact always lived peace fully side by side with them.

Actually Muslims have done fair share of discrimination in Middle East against laboures from Pakistan and in Pakistan against minority sects!
 

AhmadSaleem264

Minister (2k+ posts)
What happened to jews during that period was utmost tragedy but what I dont understand is same or more horrific crimes were committed against africans and asians by europeans and no one seems to talk about it. France still has active colonies in central africa and dutch killed more africans than jews killed by hitler. Probably people of color dont matter much
We are shown selective atrocities.
 

Pathfinder

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I'm not left wing or right wing.

My critique is not against religion. Its against beliefs/ideas that are not backed by evidence aka based on faith. Bolshevism, Stalin-ism, Zionism, Trumanism, Nazism all fall under that.

I don't think Stalin handled Jews any better than Hitler, as I said, racism, hate, discrimination, intolerance and antisemitism was widespread all over Western and Eastern Europe. It was not just Hitler's Germany that discriminated against Jews.

Why would one human being slaughter another one just because they have a certain religious belief, its because of irrational beliefs that are based on faith.
are you muslim?