Jesus Crucifixion, the problem

[Vitamin_C]

This is a political forum and religion is a big part of Pakistani politics so its impossible to have a Pakistani Political forums without discussing religion.

Waisay tu main is baat ke bohat khalaf ho ke is forum par koi religious or Firqa parasti ki behas ki Jaya..bohat see dosray forums Hain Jahan ye question answer kia ja saktey hain..Admn ko aisay thread allow hi nahi karnay chahaya is forum par post....

 

[cestmoi ✅️]

Theres alot of historical evidence of Muhammad and his contact with Romans, Persians and Ethiopians so he was most probably a real person just like Alexander the Great or Julius Caeser...

Israeli archaeologists wandered the Sinai peninsula for 15 years from 1967 to 1982 when Israel occupied Sinai. They couldn't find any evidence of Moses or his 2 million followers that escaped from Egypt 4000 years ago (No garbage heaps without pig bones as found in archaeological sites in Israel). Although they did find evidence of 100 people who crossed the Sinai about 70,000 years ago.

The story of Moses does not exist in older versions of the Jewish bible. According to the manuscripts that have been recovered from various times the story of Moses appears in the Jewish bible around 800 bc, this was a time when the kingdom of Israel was at war with the Egyptians, so most probably Moses story was a forgery that was entered into the bible as a war time propoganda against the Egyptians during their war against the Israelites.

Interesting thing is that there are many religions that have characters that fit the description of Jesus and Moses perfectly, such as Lord Krishna, Horus, Paris of Troy among many others and their stories were written thousands of years before Jesus or Moses, so most probably the Jews and Christians copied those stories from other religions. There is a consensus amongst historians that Moses and Jesus are not historical characters but rather mythical characters.

Interesting...

 

[thinking]

Can anyone tell me.. what Christian think about as Jews crucified Jesus??.and what Jews arguments.. defends Jesus crucified or feel sorry for that to Christians??

 

[Mughal1]

Here is the tricky question, not for faint hearts. Hope someone could bring the Answer for this problem.

It seems Allah deceived both Christians and the Jews and misguided them and started Judism and Christianity.

In the Qur'an Allah says that Jesus was not killed but the people were made to see as if he was crucified. Why people were made to see that Jesus was crucified? In other words, people were deceived as they saw Jesus dying on the cross but that was not the case(as Allah for some reason lifted him up without letting people know) and because of this they were misguided and saw Jesus dying.Eventually, some of the Jews believed he died for their sins and hence Christianity was born. Allah could have prevented the Christianity by not deceiving people and saving the Christ in front of everyone. These Christians for the next 600 years were misguided until Prophet Muhammad PBUH came into picture and Quran was revealed where the actual story of Jesus was described later that he was lifted up into heavens.
So the truth was revealed after 600 years from the birth of Christianity. I feel Christians have the right to believe he died if they have testimonies of the people which were there that day and they were made to see as if he was crucified.

Also, it seems from Jewish perspective, they were right in crucifying Jesus since for them he died on the cross and was not the Messiah in the first place because they were successful in crucifying him.

Both Jewish and Christians looks innocent in this case. Had this deceiving not occurred at that time, we would have not known the Christianity and Judaism but Islam only since Jews at that time were Muslims.

Dear Techwarrior, the quranic text does not say Allah caused confusion for people in this regard rather it uses faile maazi majhool. What it means is that situation was brought about by people themselves whereby they ended up confused in this matter. The quran clarifies the fact that Jesus did not die the death of a crucified person as jews wanted to prove jesus a cursed person instead of a messenger for deen of Allah. It is important for people to have knowledge of arabic language as well as sense of logical consistency in light of real world realities which is not found in mullah translations of the quran due to which are raised many objections on the quran and deen of islam by nonmuslims.

regards and all the best.