Jahil Mullahs are destroying the image of Islam

Pakistani1947

Minister (2k+ posts)
One of the Mullah @ 55 sec. says in above video that the earth does not move. This statement is clearly opposes to what Qur'an says:

(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے

(Qur'an 39:5)
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ​
He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
اس نے آسمانوں اور زمین کو حکمت سے پیدا کیا وہ رات کو دن پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور دن کو رات پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور اس نے سورج اور چاند کو تابع کر دیا ہے ہر ایک وقت مقرر تک چل رہا ہے خبرادار! وہی غالب بخشنے والا ہے

The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).
"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

The Qur'an says that the earth has a diameter (Qur'an 55, 33)
(Qur'an 55:33) يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ​
O assembly of jinn and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass beyond (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!
اے جنوں اور انسانوں کے گروہ اگر تم آسمانوں اور زمین کی حدود سے باہر نکل سکتے ہو تو نکل جاؤ تم بغیر زور کے نہ نکل سکو گے (اور وہ ہے نہیں)

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].

(Qur'an 50:7) وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ​
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
اور ہم نے زمین کو بچھا دیا اوراس میں مضبوط ڈال دیے اور اس میں ہر قسم کی خوشنما چیزیں اگائیں

According to above verse, Qur'an says that Allah Almighty spread the earth. The Qur'an used the words "وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا", whose translation into Arabic grammar is to expand the surface area of earth during its creation. This does not prove at all that the Qur'an calls the earth smooth or Flat. For a Flat or smooth surface, there is an arabic word used "مسطح" and its verb is "سطح". But the Qur'an does not use any of these words. The Qur'an says that Allah Almighty expanded the earth, which means to expand the surface area of the round earth.
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Answer my question please
Your question is irrelevant. The Prophet s.a.w never claimed to a scientist. his claim was he is a Prophet and messenger of Allah s.w.t and his duty is to spread the message of Allah.

So now answer mine. do you like this Mullah you also believe the Sun revolves around the world?
 

Pakistani1947

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mullahs are Jahil and you seem very generous can you please tell us any scientific inventions done by our beloved Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم
and Sahaba Ikraam?
If not "Jahil" for these Mullahs, who have following in millions, what word you would like to choose for these Mullahs who are insisting to say that our earth is stationary ( @ 55 sec.), only because one of their Baba, Ahmad Raza Brelvi said so in one of his books. They do not care even if they are in clear violation of Qur'an, (Making themselves laughing stock in front of the whole world):

(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے

(Qur'an 39:5)
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ​
He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
اس نے آسمانوں اور زمین کو حکمت سے پیدا کیا وہ رات کو دن پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور دن کو رات پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور اس نے سورج اور چاند کو تابع کر دیا ہے ہر ایک وقت مقرر تک چل رہا ہے خبرادار! وہی غالب بخشنے والا ہے

The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).
"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

The Qur'an says that the earth has a diameter (Qur'an 55, 33)
(Qur'an 55:33) يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ​
O assembly of jinn and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass beyond (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!
اے جنوں اور انسانوں کے گروہ اگر تم آسمانوں اور زمین کی حدود سے باہر نکل سکتے ہو تو نکل جاؤ تم بغیر زور کے نہ نکل سکو گے (اور وہ ہے نہیں)

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].

(Qur'an 50:7) وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ​
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
اور ہم نے زمین کو بچھا دیا اوراس میں مضبوط ڈال دیے اور اس میں ہر قسم کی خوشنما چیزیں اگائیں

According to above verse, Qur'an says that Allah Almighty spread the earth. The Qur'an used the words "وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا", whose translation into Arabic grammar is to expand the surface area of earth during its creation. This does not prove at all that the Qur'an calls the earth smooth or Flat. For a Flat or smooth surface, there is an arabic word used "مسطح" and its verb is "سطح". But the Qur'an does not use any of these words. The Qur'an says that Allah Almighty expanded the earth, which means to expand the surface area of the round earth.

This is definitely a matter of concern how these Jahil Mullahs are allowed to preach young kids in live TV show:

 

Pakistani1947

Minister (2k+ posts)
Your question is irrelevant. The Prophet s.a.w never claimed to a scientist. his claim was he is a Prophet and messenger of Allah s.w.t and his duty is to spread the message of Allah.

So now answer mine. do you like this Mullah you also believe the Sun revolves around the world?
The consequences of having these Jahil Mullah are far more than inducting wrong scientific facts to our young kids but my real worry is that what do you expect from these thick head Mullahs who will mostly deal with conveying Islamic Aqaid and obviously they would covey false Aqaid like "do not ask duaa directly from Allah but call Ghous-e-Azam", which mean pushing the generation into the valley of SHIRK and eventually to the Hell, (اَللَّهُمَّ أَجِرْنِي مِنَ النَّارِ)
 

Pakistani1947

Minister (2k+ posts)
and this engineer is a big-time "Wrong Number" and perfect example of a Jahil Mullah
Sorry!! We called you Mullas "Jahil" and we proved it atht they are going against Qur'an. To call Engineer you have to identify similar kind of mistake in his believes which can be disastrous. NOT frohi masail like "Rafa udden". You have to point out big mistake in Aqeeda and also you have to prove him wrong by presenting verses of Qur'an where he misunderstood Qur'an.
Please no quotes from your dead Babas, Only Qur'an and authentic Hadeeths (Siha Sitta Books only).
 

atensari

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Rest of the Muslims world?
What is their contribution in building the image of Islam?
 

Fawad Javed

Senator (1k+ posts)
Engineer fitnaa is your baba hahahahah
Sorry!! We called you Mullas "Jahil" and we proved it atht they are going against Qur'an. To call Engineer you have to identify similar kind of mistake in his believes which can be disastrous. NOT frohi masail like "Rafa udden". You have to point out big mistake in Aqeeda and also you have to prove him wrong by presenting verses of Qur'an where he misunderstood Qur'an.
Please no quotes from your dead Babas, Only Qur'an and authentic Hadeeths (Siha Sitta Books only).
 

Fawad Javed

Senator (1k+ posts)
what I believe doesn't really matter

if our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم didn't do any work on science which means its not important as simple as that

but you najdi wahabi mind set people will never understand this
Your question is irrelevant. The Prophet s.a.w never claimed to a scientist. his claim was he is a Prophet and messenger of Allah s.w.t and his duty is to spread the message of Allah.

So now answer mine. do you like this Mullah you also believe the Sun revolves around the world?
 

Fawad Javed

Senator (1k+ posts)
IN SHA ALLAH is Jahil engineer ka be haal mirza Qayani wala ho ga
Sorry!! We called you Mullas "Jahil" and we proved it atht they are going against Qur'an. To call Engineer you have to identify similar kind of mistake in his believes which can be disastrous. NOT frohi masail like "Rafa udden". You have to point out big mistake in Aqeeda and also you have to prove him wrong by presenting verses of Qur'an where he misunderstood Qur'an.
Please no quotes from your dead Babas, Only Qur'an and authentic Hadeeths (Siha Sitta Books only).
 

Truth matters

Councller (250+ posts)
Jahil Awaam
Jahil Mullahs go well together
To the people complaining about Mullahs why don't you become an educated Mullah and change the narrative.
 

lotaa

Minister (2k+ posts)
If not "Jahil" for these Mullahs, who have following in millions, what word you would like to choose for these Mullahs who are insisting to say that our earth is stationary ( @ 55 sec.), only because one of their Baba, Ahmad Raza Brelvi said so in one of his books. They do not care even if they are in clear violation of Qur'an, (Making themselves laughing stock in front of the whole world):

(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے

(Qur'an 39:5)
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ​
He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
اس نے آسمانوں اور زمین کو حکمت سے پیدا کیا وہ رات کو دن پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور دن کو رات پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور اس نے سورج اور چاند کو تابع کر دیا ہے ہر ایک وقت مقرر تک چل رہا ہے خبرادار! وہی غالب بخشنے والا ہے

The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).
"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

The Qur'an says that the earth has a diameter (Qur'an 55, 33)
(Qur'an 55:33) يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ​
O assembly of jinn and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass beyond (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!
اے جنوں اور انسانوں کے گروہ اگر تم آسمانوں اور زمین کی حدود سے باہر نکل سکتے ہو تو نکل جاؤ تم بغیر زور کے نہ نکل سکو گے (اور وہ ہے نہیں)

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].

(Qur'an 50:7) وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ​
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
اور ہم نے زمین کو بچھا دیا اوراس میں مضبوط ڈال دیے اور اس میں ہر قسم کی خوشنما چیزیں اگائیں

According to above verse, Qur'an says that Allah Almighty spread the earth. The Qur'an used the words "وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا", whose translation into Arabic grammar is to expand the surface area of earth during its creation. This does not prove at all that the Qur'an calls the earth smooth or Flat. For a Flat or smooth surface, there is an arabic word used "مسطح" and its verb is "سطح". But the Qur'an does not use any of these words. The Qur'an says that Allah Almighty expanded the earth, which means to expand the surface area of the round earth.

This is definitely a matter of concern how these Jahil Mullahs are allowed to preach young kids in live TV show:

 

lotaa

Minister (2k+ posts)
oh please!!!..rest this mullah's narrow ness aside...how this this one person...who is mocked even in his own sect....you are showing him as MUSLIM WORLD????...are you kidding???/...you need some psychological treatment also....YOU WILL FIND SUCH PIECES IN EVERY PART OF THE WOLD, IN EVERY RELIGION AND SOCIETY...SO!!! DO THEY REPRESENT THEM...NO...N HE IS NOT MUSLIM WORLD EITHER...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_theory_of_relativity#A_Hundred_Authors_Against_Einstein
 
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