Isn't Watching a new Moon, or looking at the shadow of an object is to ensure that time is correct for the stated purpose?

[Altruist]

In this day and age, many Islamic scholars believe that to start/end Ramadan new moonsighting be done by a naked eye as that is what used to be done during the time of the Prophet’s (PBUH).

But that is also true that during that time prayers’ time used to be determined by looking at a shadow of an object. So why now for prayers’ timing we rely on calculations and to determine start/end of Ramadan we have to revert to the naked eye?

Wasn't watching a New moon by a naked eye, or looking at the shadow of an object was to ensure that time was correct for the stated purpose?

 

[Dr Adam]

In this day and age, many Islamic scholars believe that to start/end Ramadan new moonsighting be done by a naked eye as that is what used to be done during the time of the Prophet’s (PBUH).

But that is also true that during that time prayers’ time used to be determined by looking at a shadow of an object. So why now for prayers’ timing we rely on calculations and to determine start/end of Ramadan we have to revert to the naked eye?

Wasn't watching a New moon by a naked eye, or looking at the shadow of an object was to ensure that time was correct for the stated purpose?

On the flip side, the Feds should dissolve the present Ruet e Hilal committee under Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman and constitute a new committee under the chairmanship of our famous Molana Popalzai of Peshawar. Let these Molanas fight with each other to reach a consensus.

 

[wamufti]

In this day and age, many Islamic scholars believe that to start/end Ramadan new moonsighting be done by a naked eye as that is what used to be done during the time of the Prophet’s (PBUH).

But that is also true that during that time prayers’ time used to be determined by looking at a shadow of an object. So why now for prayers’ timing we rely on calculations and to determine start/end of Ramadan we have to revert to the naked eye?

Wasn't watching a New moon by a naked eye, or looking at the shadow of an object was to ensure that time was correct for the stated purpose?

Interesting argument indeed - that’s why we need to have access to a learned scholar who may answer these queries.
There is a big wall of mistrust, lack of communication, ease of access between ulema and common people like myself.
Effort is needed to bring them together.

 

[Citizen X]

In this day and age, many Islamic scholars believe that to start/end Ramadan new moonsighting be done by a naked eye as that is what used to be done during the time of the Prophet’s (PBUH).

But that is also true that during that time prayers’ time used to be determined by looking at a shadow of an object. So why now for prayers’ timing we rely on calculations and to determine start/end of Ramadan we have to revert to the naked eye?

Wasn't watching a New moon by a naked eye, or looking at the shadow of an object was to ensure that time was correct for the stated purpose?

By that logic Huzoor also use to travel by camel, so we should all abandon cars and start using camels and horses. You think that Allah s.w.t didn't knwo what advancement in technologies man would make?

If moon was to be sighted strictly by eye, then there would be a commandment in the Quran or Hadith about it. And setting of the prayer timing by looking at the position of the sun in the sky.

You think Islam a complete deen and way of life would leave out such things if it was of such crucial importance?

 

[Altruist]

By that logic Huzoor also use to travel by camel, so we should all abandon cars and start using camels and horses. You think that Allah s.w.t didn't knwo what advancement in technologies man would make?

If moon was to be sighted strictly by eye, then there would be a commandment in the Quran or Hadith about it. And setting of the prayer timing by looking at the position of the sun in the sky.

You think Islam a complete deen and way of life would leave out such things if it was of such crucial importance?

Sorry, you missed the logic. The intent of sighting the moon or shadow was to determine the time and now there are better ways to do so. For prayers, we depend on scientific calculations then for moonsighting we should do the same.

 

[Citizen X]

Interesting argument indeed - that’s why we need to have access to a learned scholar who may answer these queries.
There is a big wall of mistrust, lack of communication, ease of access between ulema and common people like myself.
Effort is needed to bring them together.

In this age of instant communication, the ulema are available, you just need to get in touch with them. My friend in a proper Mufti, not desi weird turban and chola wearing dupicate mullah, a graduate from Al Azhar University in Cairo, also studied in a top notch university in Syria, Authorized by the govt of Abu Dhabi to issue fatwas. He is available on Facebook, has his own website, email so on and so forth. Many more like him.

Also plenty of Islamic websites where you can send your qeuries.

 

[Citizen X]

Sorry, you missed the logic. The intent of sighting the moon or shadow was to determine the time and now there are better ways to do so. For prayers, we depend on scientific calculations then for moonsighting we should do the same.

And we do. We use powerful telescopes on higher vantage points to reduce impact of atmospheric interference.

 

[Altruist]

Science is at a point that it can calculate sunrise /sunset for many future years and thus prayer timings can be calculated.

Similarly, moon sightings in the future can be accurately determined. For example, moon sightings for North America for 2019 & 2022 are already posted at the following site, and so are Ramadan and Eid dates.



Ramadan Monday, May 6, 2019 / Friday, April 24, 2020

Eidul-Fitr Tuesday, June 4, 2019 / Sunday, May 24, 2020


https://www.moonsighting.com/ramadan-eid.html


For Eidul-Fitr, Fiqa Council of North America endorse those dates but for Eidul-Adha have decided to have it following day of Arafah.


Like everywhere else, not all mosques follow those dates but the majority does and numbers are increasing every year.

 

[Khan125]

On the flip side, the Feds should dissolve the present Ruet e Hilal committee under Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman and constitute a new committee under the chairmanship of our famous Molana Popalzai of Peshawar. Let these Molanas fight with each other to reach a consensus.

IK ko wazarat e uzma b PASHTEEN k havaly kr deni chahey... kia khayal hey?

 

[wamufti]

In this age of instant communication, the ulema are available, you just need to get in touch with them. My friend in a proper Mufti, not desi weird turban and chola wearing dupicate mullah, a graduate from Al Azhar University in Cairo, also studied in a top notch university in Syria, Authorized by the govt of Abu Dhabi to issue fatwas. He is available on Facebook, has his own website, email so on and so forth. Many more like him.

Also plenty of Islamic websites where you can send your qeuries.

AlhamdoLillah you have been blessed with such niamat of Allah SWT. Please benefit from this and help others in you closer circlet as well.
Now a even bigger task is to find a way to connect 99% of population to ulema. Here the 99% include those who despite having access - don’t feel the need to be connected And those who have no means.

 

[AbbuJee]

Religion is not owned by Maulanas. So If they are asking that they are sole "Authority" that is not how it works.

Fawad Chaudhry should just let them do what they do best! "NEVER AGREE ON ANYTHING"

sab ka zor is baat pe hai chaand nazar aya nahe aya. Lakin Jhoot bolna band nahe karna, fareib mai sab say aagaey. Haram khana bhe band nahe karna.

so this discussion is useless. You cant convince either side. So let it be.