Irans Sunnis, Saudis Shias; a Fair Comparison

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Note: Some national media sources have been publishing articles to compare the situation of both Sunni community of Iran and Shiite community of Saudi Arabia. These elements claim that Sunni community in Iran has more civil rights and liberties than Shiites in Saudi. Dear readers, the following article is a brief comparison of the two communities, the situation is being presented, you can analyze the matter from a different side. We only provide some credible information; final judgment is up to you.
Republic & Kingdom:
Republic and Kingdom are two well-known types of governing around the world. In republican states, masses elect their rulers, policy makers and chiefs of states; in other words, people, regardless to difference of language, skin color, religion and race independently cost their votes and give approval to leaders, eventually those who get vote of majority have right to hold the government.
Islamic Republic:
When the title republic appears with affix of Islamic, it means that the rules of that state are based on Islam. The Islamic laws and jurisprudence urge on taking care of the civil and religious rights of minorities, it prohibits from injustice actions.
On the other hand, kingdom system of governing means rule of royal family on a country, they hold key posts and make mostly the interior and foreign policies.
The Islamic Republic of Iran came into existence after a long nation-wide protest and struggle which succeeded to defeat the ex-kingdom regime of Iran, the world saw the victory of a public revolution in February 1979 in Iran. The Iranian nation, Shiites and Sunnis, backed the anti-Shah movement due to its motto Islamic Republic.
In short words, key posts are distributed in kingdom system by SELECTION and in democratic and republican regimes by ELECTIONS.
After knowing these details, it looks very amazing to compare Islamic Republic of Iran with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It astonishes more to analyze the situation of Irans Sunnis in the light of Saudis Shiites.

Jobs distribution in Iran & Saudi:

It must be kept in mind that in the KSA, only high offices and important appointments are under the control of royal family, king Abdul Aziz; while for lower posts nationality is the only required point not sect like Shia and Sunni. As Saudi Shiites have been working in various departments side by side of their Sunni country-fellows. They can get jobs in armed forces and security services without any obstacles; even till recent time, the chief of police in Medina Munawwarah was a Shiite citizen. The Saudi ambassador in the Iranian capital, Tehran and Saudi Consul in Mashhad, the second largest Iranian city, were Saudi Shiites.
Besides, there are five Shia members in Selective Chamber or Consultative Council of Saudi Arabia among 150 members.
Unlike Saudi Arabia, Sunni citizens are questioned about their sect and school of thought in each step when they apply for a job. Important offices are Prohibited Tree for Sunnis in Iran, rather the rulers have been neglecting Sunni citizens at distribution of low and small posts. While they claim the ruling system is based on democracy and republic.
The Sunni community of Iran is the second largest majority of Iran. The community played an important and active role to bring revolution against the Shahs regime along with the rest of public. After victory, Sunnis remained favoring the new regime, warm welcome of officials in Sunni-majority areas is an evidence of this continuous support. Despite all of this, since the victory of the Revolution none of Sunnis has been appointed as a minister, vice minister, ambassador or member of any Iranian embassy, vice president or governor of any province even with 90% Sunni population. In armed offices Sunnis are present only as common soldiers and constable not more.
Take the example of Sunni-majority province, Sistan Baluchistan where Sunnis take 5% of key offices out of one hundred high offices. There is no a single Sunni member in the Provincial Security Council. From 170 members of Provincial Internal Council just 13 are Sunnis. As well as, there is no any Sunni member in the Upper Council (Shura Negahban) and other Supreme departments.
Are you a Shiite or Sunni? this question is in front of oppressed citizens in most of the official departments even in some hospitals this question is asked from patients.
Problems in religious affairs:
It was the case in distribution of posts; Sunni citizens have been suffering from discriminative official treatment in their religious affairs as well. Ban on the constitutional civil and religious rights, interference in the religious and educational matters of Sunnis, prohibition of building a mosque for more than one million Sunni citizens in Tehran, forbiddance of Sunnis to offer Eid and Jumah prayers in mega cities as well as offering five-time prayers in congregation in some other cities are the matters which have made the Sunni community anxious.
On the other hand, Shiite citizens of Saudi Arabia have a grand mosque in Riadh where they establish Friday prayers. In all areas and cities where they live, they have separate worship places. Even Shias have a Husainiah (Imam Bargah) in Medina Munawwarah which was inaugurated by ex-president of Iran, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.
Apart of this, unlike Saudi Shiites, most of the Iranian Sunnis live in border areas and they are so weak and vulnerable economically. Where Saudi Shias are strong in this regard and own big trade companies, they do not face discriminative acts in this field.
If somebody takes out the glass of partiality and prejudice from his eyes, he will judge that Shias of the KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia are in quite better condition than Sunnis of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran.
It is better for pro-regime elements to compare the conditions of Irans Sunnis to Shia minorities of a democratic/republic state if they are eager to do so. It seems more logical to look at the situations of Shia minorities of Irans neighbors, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Shias in Pakistan and Afghanistan:
An eye-reach shows that Shias enjoy an absolute freedom in these two countries; as vice president, some governors and ministers are Shiite in Afghanistan. The president of Pakistan belongs to Shia community, there are some other important public figures belong to Shia community in Pakistan even in Army and intelligence services. Religiously, Shias enjoy full freedom, as there are many Shiite worship places in Kabul and Islamabad and wherever they live from small to big cities.
Finally, the Iranian rulers and their defenders should try to be ideal for other states in dealing with religious and ethnic minorities instead of comparing minorities. They should prove that Islamic Republic of Iran believes in justice and equality among different sects and races.
 

greenstar

MPA (400+ posts)
It is a fair comparison to some extent, but the problem is that each country tries to portray itself as a true champion of Islam.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It is a fair comparison to some extent, but the problem is that each country tries to portray itself as a true champion of Islam.


The subject is NOT who is champion of Islam as neither of them is. The subject is how they approach minority Muslims of their land.
 

Lil'Genius

Minister (2k+ posts)
Why not use the same words for Irani mullahs?? I have more about the subject if you want?

Give sources for your initial post or remove it. Stop propagating hatred and sectarianism on this website and in Pakistan. We and whole world have more evidence and material on Khwarji Mullahs and Saud-die supporting these terrorists.
 

Lil'Genius

Minister (2k+ posts)

The subject is NOT who is champion of Islam as neither of them is. The subject is how they approach minority Muslims of their land.

You want to know how Saud-die approach minorities ? Look Bahrain, Ask Al-Jazeera, Ask "ikhwan ul muslimeen", Ask families of people in Pakistan, whose loved ones were martyred by Khwarjis, Ask from the youth of Egypt, Ask from the poor people, who were kicked from Arab countries, just because of their particular sect....I can go on and on. Stop your bullshit here !
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ویسے تو سعودیہ میں سنی بھی آزاد نہی ہیں

ابھی سعودیہ نے اپنے شہریوں پر ہر قسم کے جہاد پر پابندی لگا دی ہے

کیا یہ اسلامی ملک ہے
 

Lil'Genius

Minister (2k+ posts)
ویسے تو سعودیہ میں سنی بھی آزاد نہی ہیں

ابھی سعودیہ نے اپنے شہریوں پر ہر قسم کے جہاد پر پابندی لگا دی ہے

کیا یہ اسلامی ملک ہے


Saud-die and Islamic ? Are you serious ? Name one thing Islamic in Saud-die other than the land of Makkah and Madina ?
 

albany

Senator (1k+ posts)
fact is that political system in both countries is worst . even pakistan has more liberty, freedom than iran and saudia.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

macbeth

Minister (2k+ posts)
دیو کی اُجرتی باندی حسبِ معمول اپنے شاھی آقاؤں کی خدمت کرتے ھوئے پاکستان میں تفرقہ انگیز مواد بانٹنے میں مصروف۔۔

 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Saud-die and Islamic ? Are you serious ? Name one thing Islamic in Saud-die other than the land of Makkah and Madina ?


Your love is evident from your words. Be a sport accept that Iran is worse for Sunnis than Saudia is for Shias. You people enjoy an excellent life, get government posts and all you guys give in return to Sunnis BS.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
دیو کی اُجرتی باندی حسبِ معمول اپنے شاھی آقاؤں کی خدمت کرتے ھوئے پاکستان میں تفرقہ انگیز مواد بانٹنے میں مصروف۔۔


Please read the bold and underlined carefully!

Historically, Iran had been virtually Sunni, with small minorities of Shiites only in some cities, until the 16th century when the Turkish-Sunni Safavid dynasty, ruling over the Iranian region, changed its sect to become Shiite due to political considerations.

Later, it emerged as a rival to the Ottoman Empire and became known as the “Islamic community that does not join the Holy War (Jihad).” After the 16th century, the Sunni community in Iran had to move toward and even beyond the borders as a result of pressure and oppression. Today, about 2 million Sunni Turkmen live along Iran’s common border with Turkmenistan, 4 million Sunni Baluchs live near the border with Pakistan and Afghanistan, several million Sunni Arabs live on the coasts of the Persian Gulf, about 7 million Sunni Kurds, Sanandaj Sunnis, Kermanshah and Hamadan Sunnis, about 500,000 Sunni Turks and several thousand Sunni Turks live in Talesh and Astara; all suffer from serious repression.
Iran’s inner opposition is always troubled with its own specific problems, and they don’t care about the problems of Sunnis. Any interest in the problems of Sunnis is deemed as animosity against the revolution and as separatism. So no one dares do this. Since the Islamic revolution of 1979, Sunnis have been perceived as a national threat and, therefore, their activities have been continually monitored, and they have been classified as non-Islamic, uncultured and uncivilized, and this is how they are portrayed for Shiite Iranians.
Serious areas of concern
Today, Sunnis in Iran have a substantial population (around 15 million), and I will now mention some of the problems Sunni communities face in Iran. Some of the following items may surprise you, but it is obvious that there is currently very serious Shiite sectarian discrimination in Iran.
Sunnis living in Iran are not allowed to name their children as they like. There is a book of permitted names at civil registers, and no one can pick a name that is not in this book. For instance, Iranian authorities do not allow people to choose Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, or Aisha as names for their children. Civil registers won’t put these names on ID cards. They tend to refer to the famed Persian poet Omar Khayyam as Khayyam, dropping the Omar part.
Sunnis are allowed to serve in the military, but they are not permitted to become officers.
Almost all administrative or employment forms contain the question, “Are you Sunni or Shiite?”
Printing of Sunni reference books is not free.
Religious courses given in schools in predominantly Sunni regions teach Shiite beliefs. Little information is given about Sunnism.
Several years ago, a political decision was made to introduce a Shiite representative of the spiritual leader (Wilayat-e Faqih or Guardianship of the Jurist) to religious madrasas belonging to Sunnis. This representative enjoys extraordinary power and authority. He can appoint or remove from office anyone at will. The practice, opposed by Sunnis for the time being, enables Shiite beliefs to be taught in these madrasas.
Every year, the “Week of Union” is marked in Iran to promote rapprochement between Shiites and Sunnis. But this is just a slogan, and this activity is intended to lure Sunnis into Shiism. So their message is, “Come and join us so that Islam becomes united.”
Currently, there is not a single Sunni minister in the current cabinet. However, since the public elects deputies, there are several Sunni deputies in Parliament.
Sunni madrasas and mosques are not provided any state support. They are maintained by the endeavors and efforts of Sunni communities.
Recently, two Sunni mosques were demolished by the state, citing various reasons, in Mashhad and Bojnourd.
Although there are around 2 million Sunnis living in Tehran, there is not a single mosque where they can perform their Friday prayer. Moreover, Sunnis who used to go to the Pakistani Embassy School and the Indonesian Embassy to perform their Friday prayers are now prohibited from doing so; this is a clear indication of the pressures against them. Although there are numerous churches (mostly Armenian) in Tehran, it is peculiar that there is not a single Sunni mosque.
In Iran, Sunni scholars are prohibited from gathering together. They cannot travel freely -- abroad or at home.
Sometimes, TV channels, radio stations and magazines openly insult the well-respected figures of Ahl al-Sunnah [non-Shiites and those who follow the Sunnah]. In particular, they openly attack Aisha.
Are you a Muslim? Are you Sunni? These questions are very common. Ahl al-Sunna is generally designated as Ahl al-Dalalah (the misguided).
Shiites call Abu Lolo -- a Persian soldier also known as Pirouz Nahavandi -- who martyred the Caliph Umar, Father Lolo. They do this out of respect for him and, until very recently, they would visit Abu Lolo’s grave in Kashan near Isfahan in an ostentatious way to hurt Sunnis. (The death of Caliph Umar is a sad event for Muslims, so a loud homage to Abu Lolo is very hurtful to Muslims.) On the anniversary of the martyrdom of Caliph Umar, they hold a ceremony they call Djashn-e Omar koshi (the celebration of the killing of Umar), and create a statue of Umar and throw dirt and other things on it. This ceremony is still held in the south of Tehran and in some parts of the country.
All of the administrators in predominantly Sunni regions are Shiite. Sunnis are never allowed to become such administrators.
Sunnis do not have their own TV channels, radio stations, newspapers or magazines. In comparison, Armenians have their own newspapers and magazines published in Armenian, and Zoroastrians have their own newspapers and magazines.
Sunnis who changed their sects to become Shiite are given positions and ranks.
Sunnis are prohibited from wearing their traditional apparel at school, and instead, they are made to wear a particular uniform.
Sunni languages (Azerbaijani, Turkmen, Talesh, Kurdish, Baluch) are not taught in school.
Sunni scholars who deliver sermons parallel to (or in line with) their beliefs are punished. Recently, Abdolali Khayrshahi, a Baluchi imam, and Eyup Genci, suffered serious torture. Sunni scholars were executed on various charges in Iranshahr.
Although popular among Sunnis, Sufism is forbidden in Iran.
All religious leaders whom Shiites love are also loved by Ahl al-Sunnah, but Shiites do not pay the slightest respect to the leaders loved by Ahl al-Sunnah. Thus, they say, “May God’s curse be upon him/her” when the names of highly respected leaders of Islamic history such as the caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Muawiyah as well as the wife of Prophet Muhammad, Aisha, are mentioned.
When Ali Shariati argued as a result of his studies that some of the Shiite practices against Ahl al-Sunnah are unjust and wrong, Shiite Iranians accused him of being a Sunni. Until recently, his books were censored in Iran.
Iran considers defending the rights of Shiites in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to be its responsibility. Is it so merciless against Sunnis in its territories because it sees them as unprotected? Is it the sort of justice and fairness that their understanding of Islam dictates? Or does Iran obtain a sort of satisfaction connected to some historical incidents?
A matter of opression
The main subject of this article is, as the headline implies, the ongoing merciless and inhuman oppression of 15 million Sunnis in Iran. As is known, Iran never exhibited support of Muslims in the face of the injustices and tyrannies they faced in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and China. Why? Because Iran did not dare confront Europe in Bosnia, Russia in Chechnya, India in Kashmir and China in China, and the Muslims in these areas are Sunni. Why does it care about Iraq and Palestine? First of all, it has perfectly good relations with the large Shiite population in Iraq, and it exerts much influence over them. Second, by pretending that it cares about the Palestinian issue, it seeks to create grounds for conflict with Israel and to benefit from this conflict. In any case, any chaos in the Middle East serves to extend the life of the regime in Iran. Iran does not have any agenda items other than nuclear energy and conflict with Israel. When these two elements are removed, the game Iran is playing will end, and it will have to deal with its internal conflicts. Unjust pressure against Iran’s Sunnis has never been on the agenda of Turkish foreign policy. The problems Sunnis are facing in Iran are not heard in Ankara as they never make it to Turkey’s embassy in Tehran. In addition to the above-mentioned problems, the intensity of pressure against Sunnis has recently increased, going beyond the limits of endurance.
In June of last year, Maulana Abd al-Hamid, the representative of the Baluchistan province and all Iranian Sunnis, attended the international conference of Islamic scholars in İstanbul, but after his return to the country, he was detained at Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran; he was questioned, his passport was confiscated, and he was banned from traveling abroad. The timing of this act is meaningful as it came after his return from Turkey. Just as Shiites living in Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Oman, Yemen and Saudi Arabia have expectations from Iran, 15 million Sunnis living in Iran expect the same from Turkey. Like Maulana Abd al-Hamid, the master and manager of Iran’s biggest Sunni madrasa in Zahedan, Baluchistan, many other scholars who attended the conference in Turkey were detained, questioned and banned from traveling abroad.
Iran did not stop at wasting the support Turkey openly lent to Iran in the face of its international problems. According to reports by http://en.sunnionline.us, the official website of Iran’s Sunnis:
The Revolutionary Guards surrounded the Friday Mosque in the city of Kamyaran in Kurdistan province and searched people who wanted to perform the Friday prayer to provoke them.
The Resalat newspaper published a fabricated story about Maulana Abd al-Hamid, claiming that he had issued a fatwa, telling Sunnis not to put alms in Khomeini Committee aid boxes. This story was refuted by Maulana Abd al-Hamid.
The sources of the funds allocated to the renovation of a mosque in Zahedan were questioned, and the Sunni scholars in the region were slandered.
Hafez Ismael Mollazehi, the son-in-law of Maulana Abd al-Hamid, who was teaching at the biggest Sunni madrasa in Iran, Dar al-Ulum, was arrested without any explanation.
Likewise, Haji Abdurrahim, the second son-in-law of Maulana Abd al-Hamid, who was one of the caretakers of the madrasa, was also arrested without any explanation.
Hafez Mohammad Islam, from the same madrasa, was assassinated.
Mawlawi Amanallah Gumshadzehi, a master at the madrasa, was assassinated.
Maulana Ahmad Naruyi, the administrative affairs director of the same madrasa, was arrested without any explanation.
Mawlawi Abdulali Khayrshahi, a scholar from Zahedan, was arrested.
Sunnis were banned from performing Friday and eid prayers in some mosques in Tehran.
Mullah Muhsin Husayni, the imam of the city of Kamyaran in Kurdistan province, was arrested.
Sheik Shafi Kurayshi, a scholar among the Talesh, a Turkish tribe, with a population of several thousand, living in East Azerbaijan province, was arrested.
Hafez Abdurrashid, the Sunni Friday prayer imam of the city of Zabol, was arrested.
Tehran deputy Mehdi Kuchekzada insulted Aisha in Parliament, and this drew flak from Sunnis.
Mawlawi Ali Reza Rasuli, a Sunni scholar in Mashhad, was arrested, but later released.
Eyup Genci, a scholar in the city of Sanandaj in Kurdistan province, was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Shafi Burhani, a lecturer at Mahabad Azad University in the province of Kurdistan, was summoned to the intelligence branch and went missing.
Of course, there are many other names and acts not covered here. We hope these incidents will stop. Now the question is: Are these problems covered by Turkey’s foreign policy?
 

Lil'Genius

Minister (2k+ posts)

Before you loose your top just remember to ask politely as I am a Sunni not living in Iran!

http://sonsofsunnah.com/2011/06/19/iran’s-sunnis-saudi’s-shias-a-fair-comparison/


Your love is evident from your words. Be a sport accept that Iran is worse for Sunnis than Saudia is for Shias. You people enjoy an excellent life, get government posts and all you guys give in return to Sunnis BS.


Dear,

First, see all my previous posts on this website, and quote one in which, I misbehaved or propagated hatred against any particular sect or supported Shiaism. To clear my argument, I am not a fan of Iran nor I am supporter of Shiaism, my identity is Muslim and Pakistani only. In my less knowledge, whoever are in favour of these two, I am in favour of them. Try to distinguish between Sunnism and Saud-die. They are NOT identical, infact, Saud-die is NOT islamic.

Now, about your source, its bias. I observed you from quite a time, and you always direct your arguments by quoting one particular sect. Remember, in Pakistan, there is no sectarianism, Sunnis and Shias are united against Saud-die funded terrorism and Khwarjiat. STOP PROPAGATING HATRED AND SECTARIANISM ON THIS FORUM AND IN PAKISTAN.

Enjoy an excellent life ? Are you really serious ? Ask the mother who lost his child in Bahrain, ask the father, who collected scattered body parts of his son in Pakistan, ask that child who never saw his father come back from Masjid, ask that brave sister of our soldier, whose brother was martyred fighting Saud-die funded terrorist, ask those teenagers in Egypt, who sacrificed their youth by fighting Saud-die funded political forces.

Stop your bullshit, promote love and make your identity Islam and Pakistan.

Bless,
 
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macbeth

Minister (2k+ posts)
Please read the bold and underlined carefully!

Historically, Iran had been virtually Sunni, with small minorities of Shiites only in some cities, until the 16th century when the Turkish-Sunni Safavid dynasty, ruling over the Iranian region, changed its sect to become Shiite due to political considerations.

Later, it emerged as a rival to the Ottoman Empire and became known as the “Islamic community that does not join the Holy War (Jihad).” After the 16th century, the Sunni community in Iran had to move toward and even beyond the borders as a result of pressure and oppression. Today, about 2 million Sunni Turkmen live along Iran’s common border with Turkmenistan, 4 million Sunni Baluchs live near the border with Pakistan and Afghanistan, several million Sunni Arabs live on the coasts of the Persian Gulf, about 7 million Sunni Kurds, Sanandaj Sunnis, Kermanshah and Hamadan Sunnis, about 500,000 Sunni Turks and several thousand Sunni Turks live in Talesh and Astara; all suffer from serious repression.
Iran’s inner opposition is always troubled with its own specific problems, and they don’t care about the problems of Sunnis. Any interest in the problems of Sunnis is deemed as animosity against the revolution and as separatism. So no one dares do this. Since the Islamic revolution of 1979, Sunnis have been perceived as a national threat and, therefore, their activities have been continually monitored, and they have been classified as non-Islamic, uncultured and uncivilized, and this is how they are portrayed for Shiite Iranians.
Serious areas of concern
Today, Sunnis in Iran have a substantial population (around 15 million), and I will now mention some of the problems Sunni communities face in Iran. Some of the following items may surprise you, but it is obvious that there is currently very serious Shiite sectarian discrimination in Iran.
Sunnis living in Iran are not allowed to name their children as they like. There is a book of permitted names at civil registers, and no one can pick a name that is not in this book. For instance, Iranian authorities do not allow people to choose Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, or Aisha as names for their children. Civil registers won’t put these names on ID cards. They tend to refer to the famed Persian poet Omar Khayyam as Khayyam, dropping the Omar part.
Sunnis are allowed to serve in the military, but they are not permitted to become officers.
Almost all administrative or employment forms contain the question, “Are you Sunni or Shiite?”
Printing of Sunni reference books is not free.
Religious courses given in schools in predominantly Sunni regions teach Shiite beliefs. Little information is given about Sunnism.
Several years ago, a political decision was made to introduce a Shiite representative of the spiritual leader (Wilayat-e Faqih or Guardianship of the Jurist) to religious madrasas belonging to Sunnis. This representative enjoys extraordinary power and authority. He can appoint or remove from office anyone at will. The practice, opposed by Sunnis for the time being, enables Shiite beliefs to be taught in these madrasas.
Every year, the “Week of Union” is marked in Iran to promote rapprochement between Shiites and Sunnis. But this is just a slogan, and this activity is intended to lure Sunnis into Shiism. So their message is, “Come and join us so that Islam becomes united.”
Currently, there is not a single Sunni minister in the current cabinet. However, since the public elects deputies, there are several Sunni deputies in Parliament.
Sunni madrasas and mosques are not provided any state support. They are maintained by the endeavors and efforts of Sunni communities.
Recently, two Sunni mosques were demolished by the state, citing various reasons, in Mashhad and Bojnourd.
Although there are around 2 million Sunnis living in Tehran, there is not a single mosque where they can perform their Friday prayer. Moreover, Sunnis who used to go to the Pakistani Embassy School and the Indonesian Embassy to perform their Friday prayers are now prohibited from doing so; this is a clear indication of the pressures against them. Although there are numerous churches (mostly Armenian) in Tehran, it is peculiar that there is not a single Sunni mosque.
In Iran, Sunni scholars are prohibited from gathering together. They cannot travel freely -- abroad or at home.
Sometimes, TV channels, radio stations and magazines openly insult the well-respected figures of Ahl al-Sunnah [non-Shiites and those who follow the Sunnah]. In particular, they openly attack Aisha.
Are you a Muslim? Are you Sunni? These questions are very common. Ahl al-Sunna is generally designated as Ahl al-Dalalah (the misguided).
Shiites call Abu Lolo -- a Persian soldier also known as Pirouz Nahavandi -- who martyred the Caliph Umar, Father Lolo. They do this out of respect for him and, until very recently, they would visit Abu Lolo’s grave in Kashan near Isfahan in an ostentatious way to hurt Sunnis. (The death of Caliph Umar is a sad event for Muslims, so a loud homage to Abu Lolo is very hurtful to Muslims.) On the anniversary of the martyrdom of Caliph Umar, they hold a ceremony they call Djashn-e Omar koshi (the celebration of the killing of Umar), and create a statue of Umar and throw dirt and other things on it. This ceremony is still held in the south of Tehran and in some parts of the country.
All of the administrators in predominantly Sunni regions are Shiite. Sunnis are never allowed to become such administrators.
Sunnis do not have their own TV channels, radio stations, newspapers or magazines. In comparison, Armenians have their own newspapers and magazines published in Armenian, and Zoroastrians have their own newspapers and magazines.
Sunnis who changed their sects to become Shiite are given positions and ranks.
Sunnis are prohibited from wearing their traditional apparel at school, and instead, they are made to wear a particular uniform.
Sunni languages (Azerbaijani, Turkmen, Talesh, Kurdish, Baluch) are not taught in school.
Sunni scholars who deliver sermons parallel to (or in line with) their beliefs are punished. Recently, Abdolali Khayrshahi, a Baluchi imam, and Eyup Genci, suffered serious torture. Sunni scholars were executed on various charges in Iranshahr.
Although popular among Sunnis, Sufism is forbidden in Iran.
All religious leaders whom Shiites love are also loved by Ahl al-Sunnah, but Shiites do not pay the slightest respect to the leaders loved by Ahl al-Sunnah. Thus, they say, “May God’s curse be upon him/her” when the names of highly respected leaders of Islamic history such as the caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Muawiyah as well as the wife of Prophet Muhammad, Aisha, are mentioned.
When Ali Shariati argued as a result of his studies that some of the Shiite practices against Ahl al-Sunnah are unjust and wrong, Shiite Iranians accused him of being a Sunni. Until recently, his books were censored in Iran.
Iran considers defending the rights of Shiites in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to be its responsibility. Is it so merciless against Sunnis in its territories because it sees them as unprotected? Is it the sort of justice and fairness that their understanding of Islam dictates? Or does Iran obtain a sort of satisfaction connected to some historical incidents?
A matter of opression
The main subject of this article is, as the headline implies, the ongoing merciless and inhuman oppression of 15 million Sunnis in Iran. As is known, Iran never exhibited support of Muslims in the face of the injustices and tyrannies they faced in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and China. Why? Because Iran did not dare confront Europe in Bosnia, Russia in Chechnya, India in Kashmir and China in China, and the Muslims in these areas are Sunni. Why does it care about Iraq and Palestine? First of all, it has perfectly good relations with the large Shiite population in Iraq, and it exerts much influence over them. Second, by pretending that it cares about the Palestinian issue, it seeks to create grounds for conflict with Israel and to benefit from this conflict. In any case, any chaos in the Middle East serves to extend the life of the regime in Iran. Iran does not have any agenda items other than nuclear energy and conflict with Israel. When these two elements are removed, the game Iran is playing will end, and it will have to deal with its internal conflicts. Unjust pressure against Iran’s Sunnis has never been on the agenda of Turkish foreign policy. The problems Sunnis are facing in Iran are not heard in Ankara as they never make it to Turkey’s embassy in Tehran. In addition to the above-mentioned problems, the intensity of pressure against Sunnis has recently increased, going beyond the limits of endurance.
In June of last year, Maulana Abd al-Hamid, the representative of the Baluchistan province and all Iranian Sunnis, attended the international conference of Islamic scholars in İstanbul, but after his return to the country, he was detained at Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran; he was questioned, his passport was confiscated, and he was banned from traveling abroad. The timing of this act is meaningful as it came after his return from Turkey. Just as Shiites living in Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Oman, Yemen and Saudi Arabia have expectations from Iran, 15 million Sunnis living in Iran expect the same from Turkey. Like Maulana Abd al-Hamid, the master and manager of Iran’s biggest Sunni madrasa in Zahedan, Baluchistan, many other scholars who attended the conference in Turkey were detained, questioned and banned from traveling abroad.
Iran did not stop at wasting the support Turkey openly lent to Iran in the face of its international problems. According to reports by http://en.sunnionline.us, the official website of Iran’s Sunnis:
The Revolutionary Guards surrounded the Friday Mosque in the city of Kamyaran in Kurdistan province and searched people who wanted to perform the Friday prayer to provoke them.
The Resalat newspaper published a fabricated story about Maulana Abd al-Hamid, claiming that he had issued a fatwa, telling Sunnis not to put alms in Khomeini Committee aid boxes. This story was refuted by Maulana Abd al-Hamid.
The sources of the funds allocated to the renovation of a mosque in Zahedan were questioned, and the Sunni scholars in the region were slandered.
Hafez Ismael Mollazehi, the son-in-law of Maulana Abd al-Hamid, who was teaching at the biggest Sunni madrasa in Iran, Dar al-Ulum, was arrested without any explanation.
Likewise, Haji Abdurrahim, the second son-in-law of Maulana Abd al-Hamid, who was one of the caretakers of the madrasa, was also arrested without any explanation.
Hafez Mohammad Islam, from the same madrasa, was assassinated.
Mawlawi Amanallah Gumshadzehi, a master at the madrasa, was assassinated.
Maulana Ahmad Naruyi, the administrative affairs director of the same madrasa, was arrested without any explanation.
Mawlawi Abdulali Khayrshahi, a scholar from Zahedan, was arrested.
Sunnis were banned from performing Friday and eid prayers in some mosques in Tehran.
Mullah Muhsin Husayni, the imam of the city of Kamyaran in Kurdistan province, was arrested.
Sheik Shafi Kurayshi, a scholar among the Talesh, a Turkish tribe, with a population of several thousand, living in East Azerbaijan province, was arrested.
Hafez Abdurrashid, the Sunni Friday prayer imam of the city of Zabol, was arrested.
Tehran deputy Mehdi Kuchekzada insulted Aisha in Parliament, and this drew flak from Sunnis.
Mawlawi Ali Reza Rasuli, a Sunni scholar in Mashhad, was arrested, but later released.
Eyup Genci, a scholar in the city of Sanandaj in Kurdistan province, was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Shafi Burhani, a lecturer at Mahabad Azad University in the province of Kurdistan, was summoned to the intelligence branch and went missing.
Of course, there are many other names and acts not covered here. We hope these incidents will stop. Now the question is: Are these problems covered by Turkey’s foreign policy?



موسم نے بھیگی رات کے رومان پرور ماحول میں آبگینہِ دل کو لہر لہر کر دیا ورنہ تیری اس تفرقہ انگیز فسادی پوسٹ کا جواب مختلف ہوتا۔۔۔آئندہ مجھے میرے وطن کو غیر ملکی پراکسی پروپیگنڈے سے متاثر کرنے والی ڈاک کا حوالہ دینے سے پر ہیز کرنا۔۔۔ میں پہچان رکھتا ہوں کون کس مخصوص مشنری خدمات سے ریالی ایجنڈے سے نمک حلالی کر رہا ہے۔۔
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Dear,

First, see all my previous posts on this website, and quote one in which, I misbehaved or propagated hatred against any particular sect or supported Shiaism. To clear my argument, I am not a fan of Iran nor I am supporter of Shiaism, my identity is Muslim and Pakistani only. In my less knowledge, whoever are in favour of these two, I am in favour of them. Try to distinguish between Sunnism and Saud-die. They are NOT identical, infact, Saud-die is NOT islamic.

Now, about your source, its bias. I observed you from quite a time, and you always direct your arguments by quoting one particular sect. Remember, in Pakistan, there is no sectarianism, Sunnis and Shias are united against Saud-die funded terrorism and Khwarjiat. STOP PROPAGATING HATRED AND SECTARIANISM ON THIS FORUM AND IN PAKISTAN.

Enjoy an excellent life ? Are you really serious ? Ask the mother who lost his child in Bahrain, ask the father, who collected scattered body parts of his son in Pakistan, ask that child who never saw his father come back from Masjid, ask that brave sister of our soldier, whose brother was martyred fighting Saud-die funded terrorist, ask those teenages in Egypt, who sacrificed their youth by fighting Saud-die funded political forces.

Stop your bullshit, promote love and make your identity Islam and Pakistan.

Bless,

My apologies for thinking that you were a shia. FYI I am no fan of Saudia. I have my beliefs and there aare many things that I do NOT agree with the Saudi interpretation of Islamic beliefs rituals. Specially their treatment to sacred sites in Makkah and Madinah. The reason Saudia's name came is because all these shias always curse Saudia to camouflage their hatred for Sunnis. If you read the article they give reverence to abu lolo firouz only to hurt Sunni Muslims. They enjoy all privileges in this country of Pakistan and yet their real love is always for Iran.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
موسم نے بھیگی رات کے رومان پرور ماحول میں آبگینہِ دل کو لہر لہر کر دیا ورنہ تیری اس تفرقہ انگیز فسادی پوسٹ کا جواب مختلف ہوتا۔۔۔آئندہ مجھے میرے وطن کو غیر ملکی پراکسی پروپیگنڈے سے متاثر کرنے والی ڈاک کا حوالہ دینے سے پر ہیز کرنا۔۔۔ میں پہچان رکھتا ہوں کون کس مخصوص مشنری خدمات سے ریالی ایجنڈے سے نمک حلالی کر رہا ہے۔۔


Have some heart/patience. We have been tolerating you folks for centuries. You should be able to tolerate me for a few hours. By the way stop your BS of threatening. I am no shia that I would live and I do not believe you can do anything to anyone.
 

Lil'Genius

Minister (2k+ posts)
My apologies for thinking that you were a shia. FYI I am no fan of Saudia. I have my beliefs and there aare many things that I do NOT agree with the Saudi interpretation of Islamic beliefs rituals. Specially their treatment to sacred sites in Makkah and Madinah. The reason Saudia's name came is because all these shias always curse Saudia to camouflage their hatred for Sunnis. If you read the article they give reverence to abu lolo firouz only to hurt Sunni Muslims. They enjoy all privileges in this country of Pakistan and yet their real love is always for Iran.

Again, your reply is full of hatred and directed against one particular sect. Most Shia's curse Saud-die because, they know the cause of Fitna, like many Sunnis. I didn't met any single Muslim, who was Shia, and had hatred against, Sunnis. You have some beliefs, in which you support Khwarjiat, they have some beliefs also. That doesn't make them 'Kaafir'.

Same argument can be used for you, that when you know that Saud-die is behind killings of many Pakistanis and supporting world wide Fitna, still your real love is always for Saud-die and because of that, you openly propagate hatred against one particular sect.