Industry expansion failed badly as Razak Dawood is not given export figure.

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Razak Dawood has not shared any import of export number of July 2021 as he knows Industry expansion failed badly as Razak Dawood to share export figure, where as he used to share data even before end of the month.

That is why i said devaluation and industry expansion experiment failed very badly and Mismanagement of Imran Khan and a combination Shaukat Tarin growth will bring double digit inflation.


Today from 162.42 rupee devalued 1 rupee to 163.45 (Daily PKR is losing 60 paisa to 1 rupee since end of May) . It is confirm that we are worse than 2018 and near default. Even a default country could run better than Pakistan like Sri Lanka and Argentina.
 

arafay

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
July had 1 week holiday due to Eid plus disruptions due to monsoon rains. There were only 17-18 working days in July so production is bound to be affected.
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Razak Dawood has not shared any import of export number of July 2021 as he knows Industry expansion failed badly as Razak Dawood to share export figure, where as he used to share data even before end of the month.

That is why i said devaluation and industry expansion experiment failed very badly and Mismanagement of Imran Khan and a combination Shaukat Tarin growth will bring double digit inflation.


Today from 162.42 rupee devalued 1 rupee to 163.45 (Daily PKR is losing 60 paisa to 1 rupee since end of May) . It is confirm that we are worse than 2018 and near default. Even a default country could run better than Pakistan like Sri Lanka and Argentina.
This is the type of analysis you get when every tom, dick and harry wants to act as an economist. What qualification and experience do you have ?
 

Kam

Minister (2k+ posts)
Razak Dawood has not shared any import of export number of July 2021 as he knows Industry expansion failed badly as Razak Dawood to share export figure, where as he used to share data even before end of the month.

That is why i said devaluation and industry expansion experiment failed very badly and Mismanagement of Imran Khan and a combination Shaukat Tarin growth will bring double digit inflation.


Today from 162.42 rupee devalued 1 rupee to 163.45 (Daily PKR is losing 60 paisa to 1 rupee since end of May) . It is confirm that we are worse than 2018 and near default. Even a default country could run better than Pakistan like Sri Lanka and Argentina.
You are even unaware of the concept to determine value of rupee.
What you mean by devaluation? Government cannot devalue rupee. Its a balance between what you earn and what you spend. Supporting rupee is by artificial means which will cause further devaluation.
Pata ni har kutty billy ko zaban lag gaye hai.

What you can do is to check and do not buy/purchase foreign goods. If every person do that, rupee will become stable.
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pressure is building on balance of payments (BoP). Many are confusing this with the situation last witnessed in 2016-18. This is akin to comparing apples to oranges; it would be better to compare the current situation with what happened in 2007-08 and learn from the mistakes made during that cycle.

The current situation is not a consequence of economic overheating. In 2016-18, interest rates were kept low, and currency was overvalued to boost import-based domestic demand. The commodity price cycle was in favour of importing countries (such as Pakistan). The magnitude of adjustments could have been lower in 2018-19 had the central bank leadership in 2016-18 acted with prudence. In 2007-08, there were little signs of economic overheating as monetary policy was balanced and both current and fiscal accounts were in better shape (before 2007-08). It was primarily a fiscal and, politically-led decision to keep energy (petroleum) prices low that fueled balance of payment (BoP) crisis at that time.

Some parallels can be drawn today with the situation in 2007-08. All the international commodity prices – energy, fertilizer, chemicals, metals, among others were increasing exponentially in 2007-08. The situation today is not vastly different. At that time, the Musharraf government took a position to not pass on the impact and started doling out subsidies on petroleum prices. The situation thus spiraled out of control. A similar trend is expected in 2021-23. The government is not passing on the impact on to consumers, in anticipation of normalization of prices.

There is high degree of uncertainty whether prices will normalize anytime soon. They did right after 2007-8 crisis; but by that time the damage was already done. It is important that the same mistakes are not repeated in 2021-23. Prices are most likely to normalize but the exact timing is obviously uncertain. It may take 3 months or a year (or even more) for prices to return to equilibrium levels. It is critical for the relevant authorities to manage the situation in the interim with patience and prudence. An inability to exhibit patience will result in unnecessary pressure on the central bank. Currency is depreciating, and if prices remain high without the burden being shared by the consumers, a time will come when monetary policy would be forced to adjust sharply. This crisis can be averted if Islamabad implements the right energy pricing policies.

On the fiscal side, FBR is performing well. Provisional collection by FBR stands at Rs410 billion, exhibiting a growth of 36.5 percent and surpassing the target by Rs68 billion. According to reports in the electronic media, more than half of FBR revenues collected during July were collected at import stage. GST on domestic sales tax grew by 25 percent and income tax by 30 percent. This implies that both economic activities are picking up and imports are likely to be close to $6 billion in July. Performance of FBR is upbeat. But there are serious shortfalls on non-tax revenues – mainly in petroleum levy (PL).

The government is not passing on the impact of increasing oil prices to consumers. The consumption is growing exponentially. PSO sold over 50 million liters of motor gasoline (petrol) in July which is 27 percent higher than average monthly sales during last six months. The government is compromising on PL to keep consumer prices low. People are spending. This is fueling import bill and boosting FBR revenues as GST is collected on every litre sold. Similarly, FBR revenues are growing across the board due to higher economic activities and growing international commodity prices – higher the price, higher is the tax.

On the other hand, growing imports value and volumes are becoming a headache for the central bank. Managing external account is its domain in the form of currency and interest rates movement. The institution had a tailwind in 2020-21. In early days of Covid-19, international commodity prices were low, and overall current account was in Pakistan’s favour.

As a result, current account remained in surplus for almost a full year. After initial shock currency also started to appreciate. Hot money flows were fast replaced by more stable RDA flows. At that time, Ministry of Finance’s (MoF’s) performance was not good. Now the wind has changed direction. FBR and MoF are becoming star performers while the central bank is coming under pressure. Current account is slipping, and currency is experiencing pressure as well. It will be interesting to see how SBP team reacts to this headwind.

All the authorities – SBP, MoF and cabinet – need to be on the same page to prevent a crisis. Market and banks need to realize that this balance of payments pressure is not due to economic overheating. Thus, massive currency and interest rate adjustment should not be implemented. The key issue is with energy mispricing and that needs to be resolved to ensure macroeconomic stability.

Pakistan needs economic growth. For that to materialize foreign exchange reserves need to be build. Misplaced exuberance in consumer growth needs to be kept in check and more importantly IMF support needs to materialize as quickly as possible to ensure much-needed multilaterals’ flows. Islamabad does not have a lot of time to spare; it must act now.

The IMF has two main issues. One is tax revenues and the other is energy mispricing and its impact on non-tax revenues and circular debt. On tax revenues, MoF is in full control. It has a bit of negotiation room to bring IMF back. On power sector, government needs time and growth momentum. Increasing prices today can kill the economy. It must not let the gas circular debt grow, and more importantly, maintain PL on petrol and diesel at desired levels.

In 2007-08, the government was giving subsidy on petroleum products. PDL was converted to petroleum differential claim (PDC) – a subsidy. The government kept on giving subsidy from Feb 2007 to Oct 2008 and the PDC peaked at Rs37 per litre in Jun-July 2008. Right now, the PL is almost zero. If the international prices go up, this can turn into subsidy at current prices. That will be a disaster in making. The government will keep on losing revenues and imports bill will grow due to unabated demand. And eventually, it must be dealt with a shock. Not healthy.

A better option is to slowly start increasing petroleum prices every fortnight to build revenues and check on demand. If the currency must depreciate, subsidy may be needed even at current prices. The government should not wait for global oil prices to normalize. Rather, it is better to adjust to global reality to avert another 2007-08 in 2022-23.

Source: https://www.brecorder.com/news/40110368


Here is the actual situation narrated by an actual economist.
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pressure is building on balance of payments (BoP). Many are confusing this with the situation last witnessed in 2016-18. This is akin to comparing apples to oranges; it would be better to compare the current situation with what happened in 2007-08 and learn from the mistakes made during that cycle.

The current situation is not a consequence of economic overheating. In 2016-18, interest rates were kept low, and currency was overvalued to boost import-based domestic demand. The commodity price cycle was in favour of importing countries (such as Pakistan). The magnitude of adjustments could have been lower in 2018-19 had the central bank leadership in 2016-18 acted with prudence. In 2007-08, there were little signs of economic overheating as monetary policy was balanced and both current and fiscal accounts were in better shape (before 2007-08). It was primarily a fiscal and, politically-led decision to keep energy (petroleum) prices low that fueled balance of payment (BoP) crisis at that time.

Some parallels can be drawn today with the situation in 2007-08. All the international commodity prices – energy, fertilizer, chemicals, metals, among others were increasing exponentially in 2007-08. The situation today is not vastly different. At that time, the Musharraf government took a position to not pass on the impact and started doling out subsidies on petroleum prices. The situation thus spiraled out of control. A similar trend is expected in 2021-23. The government is not passing on the impact on to consumers, in anticipation of normalization of prices.

There is high degree of uncertainty whether prices will normalize anytime soon. They did right after 2007-8 crisis; but by that time the damage was already done. It is important that the same mistakes are not repeated in 2021-23. Prices are most likely to normalize but the exact timing is obviously uncertain. It may take 3 months or a year (or even more) for prices to return to equilibrium levels. It is critical for the relevant authorities to manage the situation in the interim with patience and prudence. An inability to exhibit patience will result in unnecessary pressure on the central bank. Currency is depreciating, and if prices remain high without the burden being shared by the consumers, a time will come when monetary policy would be forced to adjust sharply. This crisis can be averted if Islamabad implements the right energy pricing policies.

On the fiscal side, FBR is performing well. Provisional collection by FBR stands at Rs410 billion, exhibiting a growth of 36.5 percent and surpassing the target by Rs68 billion. According to reports in the electronic media, more than half of FBR revenues collected during July were collected at import stage. GST on domestic sales tax grew by 25 percent and income tax by 30 percent. This implies that both economic activities are picking up and imports are likely to be close to $6 billion in July. Performance of FBR is upbeat. But there are serious shortfalls on non-tax revenues – mainly in petroleum levy (PL).

The government is not passing on the impact of increasing oil prices to consumers. The consumption is growing exponentially. PSO sold over 50 million liters of motor gasoline (petrol) in July which is 27 percent higher than average monthly sales during last six months. The government is compromising on PL to keep consumer prices low. People are spending. This is fueling import bill and boosting FBR revenues as GST is collected on every litre sold. Similarly, FBR revenues are growing across the board due to higher economic activities and growing international commodity prices – higher the price, higher is the tax.

On the other hand, growing imports value and volumes are becoming a headache for the central bank. Managing external account is its domain in the form of currency and interest rates movement. The institution had a tailwind in 2020-21. In early days of Covid-19, international commodity prices were low, and overall current account was in Pakistan’s favour.

As a result, current account remained in surplus for almost a full year. After initial shock currency also started to appreciate. Hot money flows were fast replaced by more stable RDA flows. At that time, Ministry of Finance’s (MoF’s) performance was not good. Now the wind has changed direction. FBR and MoF are becoming star performers while the central bank is coming under pressure. Current account is slipping, and currency is experiencing pressure as well. It will be interesting to see how SBP team reacts to this headwind.

All the authorities – SBP, MoF and cabinet – need to be on the same page to prevent a crisis. Market and banks need to realize that this balance of payments pressure is not due to economic overheating. Thus, massive currency and interest rate adjustment should not be implemented. The key issue is with energy mispricing and that needs to be resolved to ensure macroeconomic stability.

Pakistan needs economic growth. For that to materialize foreign exchange reserves need to be build. Misplaced exuberance in consumer growth needs to be kept in check and more importantly IMF support needs to materialize as quickly as possible to ensure much-needed multilaterals’ flows. Islamabad does not have a lot of time to spare; it must act now.

The IMF has two main issues. One is tax revenues and the other is energy mispricing and its impact on non-tax revenues and circular debt. On tax revenues, MoF is in full control. It has a bit of negotiation room to bring IMF back. On power sector, government needs time and growth momentum. Increasing prices today can kill the economy. It must not let the gas circular debt grow, and more importantly, maintain PL on petrol and diesel at desired levels.

In 2007-08, the government was giving subsidy on petroleum products. PDL was converted to petroleum differential claim (PDC) – a subsidy. The government kept on giving subsidy from Feb 2007 to Oct 2008 and the PDC peaked at Rs37 per litre in Jun-July 2008. Right now, the PL is almost zero. If the international prices go up, this can turn into subsidy at current prices. That will be a disaster in making. The government will keep on losing revenues and imports bill will grow due to unabated demand. And eventually, it must be dealt with a shock. Not healthy.

A better option is to slowly start increasing petroleum prices every fortnight to build revenues and check on demand. If the currency must depreciate, subsidy may be needed even at current prices. The government should not wait for global oil prices to normalize. Rather, it is better to adjust to global reality to avert another 2007-08 in 2022-23.

Source: https://www.brecorder.com/news/40110368


Here is the actual situation narrated by an actual economist.
Ali na BS write kya ha.

If everything high than Export should also be high in comparison. For example, Services prices high, yarn prices are high, raw materiel price are high still are export is same number as 2012 or 2013. No change.
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Bilkul durust farmaya ap nay.
Yes bilkul. You should ask 99% of public same question and tell them that.

Pakistan had the highest inflation in the entire region and just behind Iran.

Sri Lanka is a a default country and running much better than Pakistan.
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Export figure is 2.35 billion very low figure as Import will be around 5.8 billion to 6 billion dollar. I mean that Remittance will be 2.5 to 2.7 billion dollar. Will be like 5.05 billion dollar inflow of source, which means more that we heading towards 600 million to 900 million CA deficit for this month.

As Shaukat Tarin and PM said in Budget Speech that "This FY 2022 CA deficit will be 2.5 billion dollar maximum." PTI is achieving CA deficit of 9 billion this FY without even controlling rupee that is why i always said correct that a international crook like Dar is better than PTI finance team.
 

Tit4Tat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes bilkul. You should ask 99% of public same question and tell them that.

Pakistan had the highest inflation in the entire region and just behind Iran.

Sri Lanka is a a default country and running much better than Pakistan.

even Bangladesh per capita has surpassed Pakistan
USD today @163.35
hope someone wakes up
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes bilkul. You should ask 99% of public same question and tell them that.

Pakistan had the highest inflation in the entire region and just behind Iran.

Sri Lanka is a a default country and running much better than Pakistan.
99% public have no idea about economy. It is neither built nor destroyed overnight. Pakistan export was dead in PMLN era and dollar was artificially controlled.

Now, after years exports are picking up. Pakistan currency is under pressure and numbers are nothing to write about. It is a large ship and would take lots of effort to put in course before we will start seeing the results.
 

arafay

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Export figure is 2.35 billion very low figure as Import will be around 5.8 billion to 6 billion dollar. I mean that Remittance will be 2.5 to 2.7 billion dollar. Will be like 5.05 billion dollar inflow of source, which means more that we heading towards 600 million to 900 million CA deficit for this month.

As Shaukat Tarin and PM said in Budget Speech that "This FY 2022 CA deficit will be 2.5 billion dollar maximum." PTI is achieving CA deficit of 9 billion this FY without even controlling rupee that is why i always said correct that a international crook like Dar is better than PTI finance team.

2.35 is only goods exports. Services exports is in addition to this. Then you have to add remittances. As long as exports + remittance = imports, we are fine
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Export figure is 2.35 billion very low figure as Import will be around 5.8 billion to 6 billion dollar. I mean that Remittance will be 2.5 to 2.7 billion dollar. Will be like 5.05 billion dollar inflow of source, which means more that we heading towards 600 million to 900 million CA deficit for this month.

As Shaukat Tarin and PM said in Budget Speech that "This FY 2022 CA deficit will be 2.5 billion dollar maximum." PTI is achieving CA deficit of 9 billion this FY without even controlling rupee that is why i always said correct that a international crook like Dar is better than PTI finance team.
I dont know what you are smoking. I need some of that. Economy was in such a bad shape that Miftah is on record saying that our economy is sinking after he took office from Dar.

Dar also latter said PTI was late going to IMF should have gone sooner. The international crook left so many pit-holes that we have not recovered yet. PPP numbers were even way better than PMLN when it comes to macro-economic figures.
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
I ask you one question only please do reply without insults and on facts.

Do you have ever seen a recovered, growth or improve economy according to PTI that a country currency devalues 1% against dollar on daily bases not weekly but daily and in a single day. It only happens when a country is defaulted.
Dollar went to 167 before recovering back to 154. You have to understand that it is free flow and not managed. It will move around 150 to 170 based on demand and supply. Currently the industries are getting many orders which explains industry based imports. If you compare from PMLN era the imports were mainly consumer based and that is a massive difference.

Do you know what default looks like and where PMLN were taking us ? Please watch some videos of Lebanon's economy on youtube to understand where we were headed.
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
that is why i always said correct that a international crook like Dar is better than PTI finance team.
Your inner Patwari came out you Harami dog. Ishaq Dollar caused 20 billion dollars current account deficit. PTI govt is nowhere near that figure. And your are praising Dar?