PK8303 Crash | What Happened ? From perspective of A320's Pilot - Must See

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Incompetent pilot. Did not tell the controller there is a problem, very unprofessional. Did not declare emergency. If this pilot was alive, he would have been tried for manslaughter.
FULL ATC N PILOT COMMUNICATION IS NOT IN THE OFFICIALLY RELEASED AUDIO RECORDING AS ITS MISSING THE FIRST BELLY LANDING INCIDENT. SO
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
You have to be dropping like a stone in a nose dive to start ripping off parts, so I doubt he was that fast but during a landing even a difference between 200 and 160kts is a big difference, things happen very fast and landings are nothing but controlled crashes into the ground, with very little margin of error. Hence there is a TO/GA* button on the throttles so no time is wasted pushing throttles. A modern ILS system does makes life much easier and can even autoland.

And yes planes are literally nothing but thin aluminum tubes flying through the air,

Still hard to believe someone fucked up so hard that he forgot to extend the landing gear.

Maybe landing gear failed to open as atc pilot recording release is incomplete as no recording of first belly landing audio.
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ایک سفارشی اور نالائق پائیلٹ کی کلاسیکل مثال

عالمی تحقیقاتی اداروں کا کہنا ہے، کہ
پی آئی اے کا بیشتر عملہ پی آئی اے کے سابقہ قُلی
مشاہد اللہ کا منتخب کردہ ہے، اور بیشتر رائے ونڈ کے محل
میں جھوٹے برتن اپنی زبان سے صاف کرتے تھے
This pilot had 24 year experience
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There was an incedent when AA587 fell from 2400ft after take off after the vertical stabilizers were ripped off due to pilot error.

You have to be dropping like a stone in a nose dive to start ripping off parts, so I doubt he was that fast but during a landing even a difference between 200 and 160kts is a big difference, things happen very fast and landings are nothing but controlled crashes into the ground, with very little margin of error. Hence there is a TO/GA* button on the throttles so no time is wasted pushing throttles. A modern ILS system does makes life much easier and can even autoland.

And yes planes are literally nothing but thin aluminum tubes flying through the air,

Still hard to believe someone fucked up so hard that he forgot to extend the landing gear.

 

Politically1981

MPA (400+ posts)
FULL ATC N PILOT COMMUNICATION IS NOT IN THE OFFICIALLY RELEASED AUDIO RECORDING AS ITS MISSING THE FIRST BELLY LANDING INCIDENT. SO

I can read small letters, don’t shout.
The survivor has stated on tv that there was no announcement from the captain for brace or emergency. That tells a lot.
 

PIND-WALA

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah thats the only thing in his scenario that doesn't make sense, that the plane made 2 go arounds and was on its third.

The altitude chart also confirms that there wern't 2 prior go arounds only 1. The plane was coming in hot and high and missed its decent path ( not sure about the Airbus because its been a while ) but the Boeing FMS will indicate to you when you are supposed to start your decent, so he took a steeper dive to make the runway and not overshoot it. And seems like he was hand flying the aircraft on its way down rather than autopilot do its job, because of the wavy graph, ( believe it or not pilots hardly ever hand fly the plane, only on take off for max 5 minutes usually as soon as they cross minimum altitude the autopilot can be engaged they switch it on and just a few minutes before landing they switch off autopilot and hand fly it)

Only problem with this is, its hard to lose speed while descending steeply, its like going downhill on a car without brakes, the steeper the hill the faster you go, so descending to the right speed and altitude is a complicated procedure and starts almost 45 minutes prior to landing. The plane does have spoilers as airbrakes but they are only so effective, you can see them deploy as soon as a plane touches down on tarmac on normal landings.

The pilot totally bummed this and when was at 10 to 7000 feet should have decided to do holding pattern decent ie fly a left hand circuit like an indy car race track all the while losing altitude and speed. But pilots also suffer from get there-itis and also under pressure from Airlines to make it on time, and this would have added another 15 to 20 minutes delay.

Still its a mystery why he touched down without landing gear and when he did why did he decide to go around should have didn't let it just bellyflop and come to a halt.
In the recording its not mentioned once either by the pilot or controller that there is problem with landing gear.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
In the recording its not mentioned once either by the pilot or controller that there is problem with landing gear.
Yeah thats the confusing part. The pilot should have alerted ATC of his issue and so the airport to ready the fire and rescue crew and possibly foam the runway. But on the second unsuccessful attempt you can hear the ATC say you are going to bellyland, so he probably saw the plane scrape its engines on the tarmac.
 

MHAMZA

Minister (2k+ posts)
1- He was coming too high for landing approach.
2- ATC told him to go around and make correct approach
3- Pilot insisted that he could land it even with such a high approach ( ATC gave him clearance disregarding protocol)
4- His decent was too quick and landing gear alarm came on since at high speed landing gear do not come down.
5- He realized his mistake too late and informed the ATC he was executing a GO AROUND but he was too low and bumped into the runway three times damaging both the engines.
6- Once in the air he turned around and tried to climb but the engines stated to fail and he tired to approach the runway at a lower altitude when both engines failed the plane lost altitude rapidly and crashed 1km from the runway.
7- I suspect the Pilot was fasting against protocol which impaired his judgement and slowed his responses.
 

Cape Kahloon

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Please don't say pilot was incompetent.
Pilot was well experienced has 24 years experienced with 70000 flight hours.
 

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Indian Captain & Vlogger "Flying Beast" (real name: Gaurav Taneja) explaining in detail his views on PIA Plane Crash #PK8303