India to Britain : Your Aid is Peanuts - Incredible India :)

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]...Too bad buddy ...beggars can't be choosers!
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India tells Britain: Your aid is "peanuts"


India’s Finance Minister has said that his country “does not require” British aid, describing it as “peanuts”.

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Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament
Photo: REUTERS


By Andrew Gilligan


Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

The disclosure will fuel the rising controversy over Britain’s aid to India.

The country is the world’s top recipient of British bilateral aid, even though its economy has been growing at up to 10 per cent a year and is projected to become bigger than Britain’s within a decade.

Last week India rejected the British-built Typhoon jet as preferred candidate for a 6.3 billion warplane deal, despite the Development Secretary, Andrew Mitchell, saying that Britain’s aid to Delhi was partly “about seeking to sell Typhoon.”

Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament.
“We do not require the aid,” he said, according to the official transcript of the session.
“It is a peanut in our total development exercises [expenditure].” He said the Indian government wanted to “voluntarily” give it up.
According to a leaked memo, the foreign minister, Nirumpama Rao, proposed “not to avail [of] any further DFID [British] assistance with effect from 1st April 2011,” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by DFID”.

But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.

DFID has sent more than 1 billion of UK taxpayers’ money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further 600 million on Indian aid by 2015.
“They said that British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate,” one source told The Sunday Telegraph.
“They said it would be highly embarrassing if the Centre [the government of India] then pulled the plug.”
Amid steep reductions in most British government spending, the NHS and aid have been the only two budgets protected from cuts.
Britain currently pays India around 280 million a year, six times the amount given by the second-largest bilateral donor, the United States. Almost three-quarters of all foreign bilateral aid going to India comes from Britain. France, chosen as favourite to land the warplane deal, gives around 19 million a year.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal 118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain’s did.

In India, meanwhile, government audit reports found 70 million had disappeared from one DFID-funded project alone.

Around 44,000 of British aid was allegedly siphoned off by one project official to finance a movie directed by her son.
Most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank.
However, Britain has reallocated its aid spending to focus on India at the expense of some far poorer countries, including the African state of Burundi, which is having its British bilateral aid stopped altogether from next year.

The decision comes even though India has a 6 billion space programme, nuclear weapons and has started a substantial foreign aid programme of its own. It now gives out only slightly less in bilateral aid to other countries than it receives from Western donors.


Supporters of British aid say that India still contains about a third of the world’s poor, with 450 million people living on less than 80p a day. DFID says its programmes — which are now focused on the country’s three poorest states - save at least 17,000 lives a year and have lifted 2.3 million people out of poverty since 2005.

The junior development minister, Alan Duncan, said last week that cutting off British aid to India “would mean that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, will die who otherwise could live.”
However, Mr Mukherjee told the parliament last August that foreign aid from all sources amounted to only 0.4 per cent of India’s gross domestic product. From its own resources, the Indian government has more than doubled spending on health and education since 2003.

Last year, it announced a 17 per cent rise in spending on anti-poverty programmes. Though massive inequalities remain, India has achieved substantial reductions in poverty, from 60 per cent to 42 per cent of the population in the last thirty years.


Emma Boon, campaign director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It is incredible that ministers have defended the aid we send to India, insisting it is vital, when now we learn that even the Indian government doesn’t want it.”


As long ago as 2005, MPs on the international development select committee found that India “seems to have become increasingly tired of being cast in the role of aid recipient.” In their most recent report on the programme, last year, they said that British aid to the country should “change fundamentally,” with different sources of funding. The report praised a number of DFID projects, but questioned others.

As well as the Indian government, many other Indians are sceptical about British aid. Malini Mehra, director of an Indian anti-poverty pressure group, the Centre for Social Markets, said aid was “entirely irrelevant” to the country’s real problems, which she said were the selfishness of India’s rich and the unresponsiveness of its institutions.

“DFID are not able to translate the investments they make on the ground into actual changes in the kind of structures that hold back progress,” Ms Mehra said.

“Unless we arouse that level of indignation and intolerance of the situation, aid will make no difference whatsoever.”

Mr Mitchell last night defended British aid, saying: “Our completely revamped programme is in India’s and Britain’s national interest and is a small part of a much wider relationship between our two countries.

“We are changing our approach in India. We will target aid at three of India’s poorest states, rather than central Government.

“We will invest more in the private sector, with our programme having some of the characteristics of a sovereign wealth fund. We will not be in India forever, but now is not the time to quit.”

DFID declined to comment on why it had asked the Indian government to continue with a programme it wanted to end.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ndia-tells-Britain-We-dont-want-your-aid.html


 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Vow 6% growth rate and aid from UK ..what a combination for an economy ...seems like the beggars are not content anymore ...hahahah[hilar][hilar]
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
KEY FIGURES for Aid to India :lol:

GIVEN
TOTAL AID, 2009:

US$517m

GIVEN
HUMANITARIAN AID, 2009:

US$11m

RECEIVED
TOTAL AID, 2009:

US$2.5bn

RECEIVED
HUMANITARIAN AID, 2009:

US$34m

CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN
PEACEKEEPING, 2009:


US$8m

GOVERNMENT
REVENUES, 2009:


US$227bn


FAST FACTS

  1. India was the 35[SUP]th[/SUP] largest recipient of official humanitarian aid in 2009
  2. India received the equivalent of 0.18% of its gross national income (GNI) as aid (ODA) in 2009
  3. India gave the equivalent of 0.04% of its GNI as foreign assistance in 2009
  4. GNI rank in 2010: 9 of 215
  5. Vulnerability index score, 2011-2012: Medium
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament.
“We do not require the aid,” he said, according to the official transcript of the session.
“It is a peanut in our total development exercises [expenditure].” He said the Indian government wanted to “voluntarily” give it up.
But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.
DFID has sent more than 1 billion of UK taxpayers’ money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further 600 million on Indian aid by 2015.
“They said that British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate,” one source told The Sunday Telegraph.
“They said it would be highly embarrassing if the Centre [the government of India] then pulled the plug.”
“We will invest more in the private sector, with our programme having some of the characteristics of a sovereign wealth fund. We will not be in India forever, but now is not the time to quit.” DFID declined to comment on why it had asked the Indian government to continue with a programme it wanted to end.
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Good ...ur atleast civilized(bigsmile)...now i will tell you why the aid continues till today...read this...

The aid goes to indian people ..not the govt

Massive inequalities

"India spends 36bn a year on defence and 750m a year on its space programme," he says. "What's more, India is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world. It's completely unjustifiable, especially at this time."

However, supporters of the continued aid insist this argument ignores India's massive inequalities.

Its middle-income status, they say, is irrelevant, given that 72% of world's poorest people - defined by the World Bank as those earning less than $1.25 (77p) a day - live in MICs.
Indeed, India has more people in poverty than the whole of sub-Saharan Africa. Its per capita gross national income in 2009 was 725 ($1,180) compared with 25,509 ($41,520) in the UK.
Additionally, the sheer number of people in poverty in India means that it is crucial to achieving the UK's international poverty reduction targets, ministers say.

Mr Mitchell told the BBC's Politics Show that if the government were to meet its eight Millennium development goals - including eradicating extreme hunger and reduce child mortality - it would have to "operate where poverty is greatest".


Moreover, although the country may have a small super-rich elite and a growing middle class, its capacity for wealth redistribution remains limited according to a 2009 World Bank report. It found that even a 100% marginal tax rate on Indian earnings would only plug 20% of its aggregate poverty gap.

"The case for continued UK aid to India is about a third of all the world's poor who live there," says Dr Sumner. "These 450 million poor people are often lower caste and very marginalised."
The debate is sure to continue. But given that the Indian government has debated whether it wants to continue receiving UK aid, the final word on the matter may not come from British shores.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12607537
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So you see the British were begging your government to accept aid for the 75% poor population of India ..who would not get any help without this aid. They were begging for a good cause. This refusal by the indian govt is nothing to be proud for the average indian.

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desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So you see the British were begging your government to accept aid for the 75% poor population of India ..who would not get any help without this aid. They were begging for a good cause. This refusal by the indian govt is nothing to be proud for the average indian.
Wrong......they are begging to save the political embarrassment to themselves......
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officials at DFID, Britains Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause grave political embarrassment to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.
DFID has sent more than 1 billion of UK taxpayers money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further 600 million on Indian aid by 2015.
They said that British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate, one source told The Sunday Telegraph.
They said it would be highly embarrassing if the Centre [the government of India] then pulled the plug.
.......Mr Mukherjee told the parliament last August that foreign aid from all sources amounted to only 0.4 per cent of Indias gross domestic product. From its own resources, the Indian government has more than doubled spending on health and education since 2003.

Last year, it announced a 17 per cent rise in spending on anti-poverty programmes. Though massive inequalities remain, India has achieved substantial reductions in poverty, from 60 per cent to 42 per cent of the population in the last thirty years.
 

lafatah

Minister (2k+ posts)
india has said no to many super powers in the past few years...they are relatively more soveriegn than pakistan
 

Unicorn

Banned
Vow 6% growth rate and aid from UK ..what a combination for an economy ...seems like the beggars are not content anymore ...hahahah[hilar][hilar]

I have gone too far with my throbbing:(. I see that you are close to suicide(serious). Take a few pills of Prozac and sleep it off you will feel better in a week.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Political embarassment for what ?..for aiding 75% of the world's poor ??...dude talk with some logic. If you guys are so well off, then why isnt the wealth being distributed ??

Why do they still accept the aid ???(bigsmile)

No one can force you to take aid ...but you are !

Wrong......they are begging to save the political embarrassment to themselves......
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar]..hows your temple indoctrinated education system ...still teaching hatred too children through the "Gauruv Gatha" ????[hilar][hilar]

I have gone too far with my throbbing:(. I see that you are close to suicide(serious). Take a few pills of Prozac and sleep it off you will feel better in a week.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[h=1]India's poor urged to 'eat rats'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7557107.stm[/h]

By Amarnath Tewary
BBC News, Patna
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It's argued that rats are a good source of nutrition


An official in the Indian state of Bihar has come up with a new idea to encourage low caste poor people to cope with food shortages - rat meat.
The Principal Secretary of the state's Welfare Department, Vijay Prakash, said that he was advancing his proposal after "much survey and ground work".
Bihar's extremely poor Musahar community are rat-eaters by tradition.
The Musahar are on the bottom strata of the caste system with the lowest literacy rate and per capita income.
Less than one percent of their 2.3 million population in Bihar is literate and 98% are landless.
Delicacy
Mr Prakash says his proposals to popularise rat meat eating are intended to uplift their social-economic condition.
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People now prefer to eat rat meat instead of chicken or goat as it comes cheaper and is more tasty and healthy
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Vijay Prakash


"There are twin advantages of this proposal. First, we can save about half of our food grain stocks by catching and eating rats and secondly we can improve the economic condition of the Musahar community," he told the BBC.
According to Mr Prakash, about 50% of total food grain stocks in the country are eaten away by rodents.
He argues that by promoting rat eating more grain will be preserved while hunger among the Musahar community will be reduced.
He said that rat meat is not only a delicacy but a protein-enriched food, widely popular in Thailand and France.
"Rats have almost no bones and are quite rich in nutrition. People at large don't know this cuisine fact but gradually they are catching up."
However he may find it difficult to popularise such a strategy in a conservative society like Bihar and other north Indian states.
Mr Prakash says that he has recipes to make rat eating a delicacy, which he now wants to distribute to all the hotels in Bihar.
He also wants to encourage rat farming in the same way that poultry is farmed.
While eating rat meat is still stigmatised in urban areas of the country, Mr Prakash says that his research has revealed that it is a popular food item in some parts of Bihar where it is known at roadside hotels by the name of "patal-bageri".
This is not the first time that the department secretary has come out with such an innovative idea.
Earlier, he proposed to recruit eunuchs as security guards to maternity wards in hospitals.
"Yes, that proposal is in its advance stage and we'll very soon engage them in various social activities of our department," he said.
And the welfare secretary's next plan? "I'll make snake catching popular for the economic value of its venom," he said


Wrong......they are begging to save the political embarrassment to themselves......
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Political embarassment for what ?..for aiding 75% of the world's poor ??...dude talk with some logic. If you guys are so well off, then why isnt the wealth being distributed ??

Why do they still accept the aid ???(bigsmile)

No one can force you to take aid ...but you are !
It is clearly mentioned in the news report the reason for Britain begging the Indian government and I have pointed that out, but you are hell bent on selective reading. It is none of your or British business as to why the wealth is not uniformly distributed. The aid is accepted as a part of International diplomacy.
You are here to spread disinformation, but you have not succeeded....Time to start a new thread as your intentions have been badly exposed here.......
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Have you had some rats for lunch ???...or are you down to cockroaches now ?[hilar][hilar]...None of what I've written here are my own words but words of a foreign media press.

But for the deaf dumb and blind their is no recourse. Your disease is pretty common here !..Before badmouthing others guys like you need to take at look at your own dirty belly (bigsmile)

Is it not a fact that "75% of the worlds poor worse than sub saharan africa live in your country" ? - But no, that shakes your sensitive ego - so you "will be selective" and read words like "begging" & "Uk" but deliberately put up a show of not understanding reality.

Disinformation is what you spread when you cant feed your own people and the largest reciepient of aid in the region but are quick to harp on others.

This fact has truly been exposed on this forum [hilar][hilar]

Now get going otherwise an Australian will slap you as well[hilar][hilar]

It is clearly mentioned in the news report the reason for Britain begging the Indian government and I have pointed that out, but you are hell bent on selective reading. It is none of your or British business as to why the wealth is not uniformly distributed. The aid is accepted as a part of International diplomacy.
You are here to spread disinformation, but you have not succeeded....Time to start a new thread as your intentions have been badly exposed here.......
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Have you had some rats for lunch ???...or are you down to cockroaches now ?[hilar][hilar]...None of what I've written here are my own words but words of a foreign media press.

But for the deaf dumb and blind their is no recourse. Your disease is pretty common here !..Before badmouthing others guys like you need to take at look at your own dirty belly (bigsmile)

Is it not a fact that "75% of the worlds poor worse than sub saharan africa live in your country" ? - But no, that shakes your sensitive ego - so you "will be selective" and read words like "begging" & "Uk" but deliberately put up a show of not understanding reality.

Disinformation is what you spread when you cant feed your own people and the largest reciepient of aid in the region but are quick to harp on others.

This fact has truly been exposed on this forum [hilar][hilar]

Now get going otherwise an Australian will slap you as well[hilar][hilar]
That's the problem with your kind.......when you lose you start hurling abuses because that is the last resort you have for want of effective arguments.........
case of poor upbringing I guess..........anyway no more postings on your threads..........lemme me enjoy my chilled beer now.......;)
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I knew you will runaway now when you have no concrete intellectual response. Amazing what showing you people the mirror can do ![hilar][hilar].I never invited you to come and post here either (bigsmile) !... ...doesnt hurt my ego ![hilar].

Its sad that you consider 75% of the worlds poor to be your winning master stroke ...amazing what citizenry those unfortunate people have(clap)

Anyways keep on living in false delusions ...just like Australia ...other countries will soon shower more love to you as well[hilar][hilar]

Oh and is the last statement a scene of some cheap flop hindi movie ???[hilar][hilar]...make sure the beer is not home made

[h=1]Bootleg Liquor In India: Over 100 Die, Dozens Sickened After Drinking Toxic Booze[/h]


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/14/bootleg-liquor-india_n_1147886.html

That's the problem with your kind.......when you lose you start hurling abuses because that is the last resort you have for want of effective arguments.........
case of poor upbringing I guess..........anyway no more postings on your threads..........lemme me enjoy my chilled beer now.......;)
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
I knew you will runaway now when you have no concrete intellectual response. Amazing what showing you people the mirror can do ![hilar][hilar].I never invited you to come and post here either (bigsmile) !... ...doesnt hurt my ego ![hilar].

Its sad that you consider 75% of the worlds poor to be your winning master stroke ...amazing what citizenry those unfortunate people have(clap)

Anyways keep on living in false delusions ...just like Australia ...other countries will soon shower more love to you as well[hilar][hilar]

Oh and is the last statement a scene of some cheap flop hindi movie ???[hilar][hilar]...make sure the beer is not home made

Bootleg Liquor In India: Over 100 Die, Dozens Sickened After Drinking Toxic Booze




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/14/bootleg-liquor-india_n_1147886.html

Whenever a person starts writing in bold letters, bigger fonts, underlines, red letters, italics more often than normal, it shows he has no arguments worth to prove. It is like shouting to prove your point.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[hilar][hilar][hilar]...Then that would render nearly all of the educated financial world as nyncompoopic idiots because all the financial statements in the world, major analysis documents, spreadsheets or analysed data contains bold letters, underlines, red letters and Italics.

Then that way microsoft is also an idiot [hilar][hilar]...who includes text optimization features as a default in every application ![hilar][hilar]

Even here on siasat.pk when you type out a reply those features are provided by default...then the designers of this forum must also be "shouting" to prove a point[hilar]

You know their is a word for people who think others are insane [hilar][hilar]...No wonder you get slapped by australians for such pathetic thinking !...because when you dont have content to negate any logical argument you resort to
"BULL ****" !

COMPRENDO [hilar][hilar]



Whenever a person starts writing in bold letters, bigger fonts, underlines, red letters, italics more often than normal, it shows he has no arguments worth to prove. It is like shouting to prove your point.