India faces setback at ICJ: ICJ rejects India's plea for Kulbhushan Jadhav's release

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And the actual news here


The court found by 15 votes to 1 that Pakistan had breached Jadhav’s rights under the Vienna convention on consular relations by not allowing Indian diplomats to visit him in jail, according to the document.

The ICJ has no means to enforce its rulings which are final and without appeal. It is unclear from the ruling what exactly would constitute an effective review of Jadhav’s sentence.



Mostly in favour of Pakistan as only a review of the sentence is asked, not to over turn, nor was trial declared illegal or unfair nor was he declared innocent and ordered free as India wanted, but instead India gets consular access to Patel Bhai.

In laymans terms. Patel Bhai is an Indian spy and had a fair trial only the ICJ is asking for leniency in the death sentence
Will he be hanged now?

Effective review = case should be heard again with consular access which was violated by Pakistan thinking that Pakistan is not obliged to provide consular access but now court declares that Pakistan is obliged to provide consular access in the cases of espionage under Geneva convention and other agreements with India

Anyway , Pakistan is not bound to act on the verdicts of International court of Justice
 

Islamabadiya

Minister (2k+ posts)
so who really won
chaddis claiming they won by having consular access
pak saying no hand over decided so we won
which is it?
 

taban

Minister (2k+ posts)
شکر ھے نواز شریف / مریم صفدر اور موذی کو اللہ نے شکست سے دوچار کر کے ایک بار پھر ذلیل کیا ھے
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Effective review = case should be heard again with consular access which was violated by Pakistan thinking that Pakistan is not obliged to provide consular access but now court declares that Pakistan is obliged to provide consular access in the cases of espionage under Geneva convention and other agreements with India

Anyway , Pakistan is not bound to act on the verdicts of International court of Justice
Big difference that would have made. ICJ did not rule that the trial was unfair or illegal nor that Patel Bhai was not a spy. He can have consular access up to his eyeballs.

It was stupid of the noora govt to even accept the jurisdiction of the ICJ in the first place and let it go this far even because India has never accepted it in any cases against it and till today rejects all resolutions about referendum in Kashmir.

It was only that ghadday ka bacha Haramkhor Sharif that it even went till here. He was even afraid to take Kulbushans name
 

webnise

MPA (400+ posts)
ICJ verdict: (1) Jadhav will not be released (2) His sentence not overturned (3) His hanging stayed (4) He will get Consular access (5) His sentence to be reviewed. Conclusion: Indian all pleas rejected except consular access. Not too bad for Pakistan. Pretty bad for India
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ICJ verdict: (1) Jadhav will not be released (2) His sentence not overturned (3) His hanging stayed (4) He will get Consular access (5) His sentence to be reviewed. Conclusion: Indian all pleas rejected except consular access. Not too bad for Pakistan. Pretty bad for India
Yeah tell that to the Indian media who are spinning it as a great Indian victory! LOL
 

thinking

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
so who really won
chaddis claiming they won by having consular access
pak saying no hand over decided so we won
which is it?
Indians medias are in expert making Ch..otia of Thiers peoples..See the Abhi nandan matter..He declared Hero by Indians Medias..Just see the grim faces of Indians Lawyers during judge reading the verdict..
Main points was that..
1:India wants to cancelled Military court verdict and wants Yadeve case to proceed in noraml civilian court..Which rejected by ICJ.
2:India wants to overturn death sentences by military court which was denied..
3: India wants to hand over Yadeve to them..which was rejected..
4:Indai wants to dismissed all crimes on Yadev which was rejected..
5:India wants to recognise Yadev as Yadev not Mubarak Hussain Patel..which was rejected as court mentioned Yadev travel 17 times in and out from India..so he is Muabrak Hussain Patel not Yadev.. according to his passport..
6:Court order for Counselor access to Yadev.This is according to Viana conviction.as India accepted that Yadev is her citizen.. Which will not help Yadev any thing..
7:Court asked for review death sentences.. which is normal in ICJ..All European countries canncled death sentences..they only gives life in prison..ICJ never awarded death sentences to any proved killer up till now..as I know..It's up to Pakistan Court or law to convert Yadev death penalty into life in prison as long as till his normal death..ICJ never forced Pakistan to do that.. otherwise they themselves overturn Military court death penalty into life in prison..but they didn't do that...
Now you all decide who win this case..India or Pakistan.??.....use your brain please before reach in concluding..
 
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