Hamari Billi Humi Se Meow !

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Unlike India and Pakistan, they were not the same country, but they were never different either. The Durand Line, the border between the two countries, was drawn up in 1893 to restrict Afghanistan's influence in British India, and Britain's in Afghanistan. As far as borders go, it is one of the more porous. Refugees and drugs and terror and America's influence have travelled unchecked through this border until it was tightened in 2017.

Just like with the two Punjabs that the 1947 partition gave us, people either side of the Durand Line have more in common with each other than with some people within their own country. It has divided people that were Pashtun well before they were Afghans or Pakistani or Indian. When USSR invaded Afghanistan, the Pashtun people found refuge in Peshawar. Selling nuts in Pakistan and coming back with cotton fabric was a legitimate business for Afghans - and vice versa for Pakistanis - until recently. Afghanistan captain Gulbadin Naib's family had been in that business even before Pakistan existed. Naib didn't know till he was 11 that he was from Afghanistan because he grew up a refugee in Pakistan. Almost every family has relations on the other side of the border.

The translation of all this into a sporting rivalry began when Afghan kids found cricket in Pakistan. And it happened when cricket in Pakistan was at its peak: from the late 1980s to the late 1990s. Most members of the current national team of Afghanistan learnt their cricket in Pakistan. Mohammad Nabi, Asghar Afghan and Rashid Khan all played for Wajahatullah Wasti's club, Islamia, in Peshawar. For its part, the PCB played a big role in the development of these cricketers - including letting them play in its domestic tournaments - and also cricket in Afghanistan.

The break-up began when India's government felt the need to strengthen ties with Afghanistan to keep in check China's influence, which comes via Pakistan. Cricket was but a vehicle for this charm diplomacy. In the mid-2010s, grants, permission to use Indian grounds as their home venue, and a Test debut against India all reached Afghanistan pretty swiftly. It helped the Indian government that the BCCI was under a ruling party member of parliament's control now; previous board chief N Srinivasan is known to have resisted similar advances from the Afghanistan Cricket Board.

This cricket co-operation from India came at an obvious cost: culling of ties with Pakistan. For many flaws of the PCB, even the ICC felt this was an ideal and organic model of how a full member could help an associate member of the ICC. Now, though, the Afghan players were asked to stop living and playing in Pakistan; they were even stopped from giving Pakistan too much credit for their development as cricketers or talking about their time in Pakistan. They don't even speak Urdu in press conferences anymore.

This has infuriated Pakistan. Every time Rashid - especially him - gives credit to India or speaks well of India, message boards and social media go abuzz. In a tense Asia Cup game last year, Rashid wagged his finger in the general direction of the dismissed Pakistan batsman Asif Ali. This was a red rag. Here was a man who wanted to be like Shahid Afridi but had now ditched his celebration and wagged a finger at a Pakistan batsman. Stories began to emerge of how he still held a house in Pakistan, and how he had a Pakistan ID. As if celebrating success against Pakistan is a sign of ingratitude.

No player or PCB member says it, but they feel "betrayed" palpably by the "ingrates". There were signs of schadenfreude when ACB's acting CEO Asadullah Khan, tongue-in-cheek, offered Pakistan help last week as they struggled for results, claiming in a TV interview that Afghanistan were both better at cricket, and had better technical resources. The CEO before him said last year that they had received more assistance from India than from Pakistan. It is a complicated situation as it is; add politics to it, and this is recipe for nastiness to attach itself with the cricket.

On the field, though, just like between India and Pakistan, things don't get ugly; or no uglier than in, say, India-Australia matches. In the match that Rashid angered so many Pakistan fans with his celebration, Afghanistan came close to beating the stronger and more-fancied team.

Shoaib Malik had to dig deep to help Pakistan win in the last over, but Pakistan were quick to console the crestfallen Afghan players. In Pakistan's pre-match press conference at this World Cup, Haris Sohail was told about the comments made by the ACB CEO, and he laughed it off. When Naib was asked if there would be extra tension in the match, he actually said he hoped cricket could be used to mend relations between the two countries. The match on Saturday is a good opportunity to prevent these contests from going down the India-Pakistan way.


I hope we crush these back stabbing treacherous bastards tomorrow! A.Holes are acting too smart, we took them in from the gutter and gave them a home, gave them a livelihood taught them the game and now they are acting all smart!
 

hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
jab nawaz shareef pakistani pm ho ker india ke gun ga sakta hai to paisey deewanay aik aam aadmi (afghani ya koi bhi) se kiya shikwa?
jeetay ga to wohi jo achha kheley ga.
aur meri duaain aapni favourite team ke sath hain.
 

MR NICE

MPA (400+ posts)
"we took them in from the gutter and gave them a home, gave them a livelihood taught them the game "

Yehi to HAMARI GHALTI thi mere bhai
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Not to mention its no big secret that majority of their players have Pakistani IDs and if found out they can be banned and kicked out of the tournament also. But anyways that would be cheap form to do that. And as the saying goes. Thats not cricket gentlemen.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Modern day Pakistan is roughly based out of the borders of Kabul based Durrani empire. Its capitals were Kandahar/Kabul and winter capital was Peshawar.
 

hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Not to mention its no big secret that majority of their players have Pakistani IDs and if found out they can be banned and kicked out of the tournament also. But anyways that would be cheap form to do that. And as the saying goes. Thats not cricket gentlemen.
agar Pakistani ID hotey huwey bhi Pakistani team me jaga na mili to aapney hi gareyban mein jhankney ka time hai.
Imran Tahir, Azhar Mehmood, "Virat kohli ;-) lots of examples
 

asadqudsi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Hijrat movement may jo hamaray logon ki border par G mari gaye thee wo hum bhool gaye thay warna border 1947 may seal hona chahiya tha
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
agar Pakistani ID hotey huwey bhi Pakistani team me jaga na mili to aapney hi gareyban mein jhankney ka time hai.
Imran Tahir, Azhar Mehmood, "Virat kohli ;-) lots of examples
Afghani team has no talent anyways why would we want them in Pak team anyways? Imran Tahir is nothing special but good among South Africans and if he was in the Pakistani Team he would be banned by the ICC just like Ajmal was.
And whats up with Azhar Mehmood, he played for Pakistan for over 10 years.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Modern day Pakistan is roughly based out of the borders of Kabul based Durrani empire. Its capitals were Kandahar/Kabul and winter capital was Peshawar.
Well then we can also say modern day Afghanistan is also based around roughly what was part of Baburs empire.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Afghanistan borders are also based around Durrani empire. Pakistan and Afghanistan used to be one country. We share more of our history with Afghanistan than with India until British entered modern day Pakistan in 1843 through Karachi while bitter over losing the first Anglo-Afghan war in 1842. If this event didn't happen, there would be no 1947 partition as Pakistan would already be separate from India.

Afghanistan cannot survive the 21st century without merging to Pakistan or getting sovereign access to the Indian Ocean. It will become another Bolivia.

Well then we can also say modern day Afghanistan is also based around roughly what was part of Baburs empire.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Afghanistan cannot survive the 21st century without merging to Pakistan
Sorry, Afghanistan can go fuck it self. Back stabbing treacherous S.O.B's piss in the plate that feeds them. They can go suck modi dick since they are now best buddies and all. They have been against Pakistan since day 1 and cross border terrorism their side has been going on since Pakistan came into existence. Nothing good has ever come out of Afghanistan. It truly is the asshole of the world.

I've always maintained, seal the borders and quarantine it and they will kill each other in less than 2 years due to infighting and civil war because thats the afghani way. Then all countries with border with it can split it in that many parts and claim them.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If you look at it from their perspective they had no other choice. British came and dismantled the region left them without access to the ocean. Reality 20th century is that Balochistan and KPK associate themselves more with Pakistan than being independent or being with Afghanistan. They miscalculated and paid the price.

But looking forward into 21st century the only permanent solution to Durand Line issue is merger of the two territories and removing the international border/Durand line. Afghanistan wont add much to our economy but in the long term both countries will benefit from the security. I think there were plans like this under way during Ayub reign but they were too occupied with Kashmir in that time to come to an agreement.

Also establishment has done a poor job guaranteeing the rights of all provinces that voted to join Pakistan. We did not give rights to people of Gilgat and sacrificed their rights so that we can earn some points in the Kashmir issue. In reality Gilgit is separate from Kashmir issue, Gilgit was not captured by Pakistani army, their people revolted against the Maharaja and requested to join Pakistan. Balochistan, Sindh and KPK were promised more autonomy which they never received. East Pakistan was ripped off when it came to budget allocation. Before 1971 allocation was based on land area, after 1971 it was based on population. We can blame Afghans and Indians but we did a shit job ourselves.

As for Kashmir, India had no claim to Kashmir in 1940s and 50s, Nehru was being humiliated everywhere. Whole international community supported Pakistan and we were asked to demilitarize the area and allow UN soldiers to take over before they arrived on IOK and did referendum there. We insisted on not to demilitarize and go to war instead because we believed in racist Muslim superiority to Hindus and the world lost interest in the Kashmir cause.

Sorry, Afghanistan can go fuck it self. Back stabbing treacherous S.O.B's piss in the plate that feeds them. They can go suck modi dick since they are now best buddies and all. They have been against Pakistan since day 1 and cross border terrorism their side has been going on since Pakistan came into existence. Nothing good has ever come out of Afghanistan. It truly is the asshole of the world.

I've always maintained, seal the borders and quarantine it and they will kill each other in less than 2 years due to infighting and civil war because thats the afghani way. Then all countries with border with it can split it in that many parts and claim them.
 
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kayawish

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Tumhare Abba abdali bhi ?
those who here are abusing afgahnis are punjabis who are the most corrupt nation specialy pakistani punjabis.Pechle 40 salon se nawaz chor ko elect kar rahe hain aur galiyaan afghano ko dete hain.sab se bade namak haram tu pakistan ke punjabi log hain.jis pakistan ka kate hain usi pakistan par chor aur dakoo musalat kar dete hain.In 2018 elections PML-N again got majority seats from Punjab.Jab in punjabion se apni namak harami ka sawal karo tu bund band ho jateee in ki.Iran ke log bhi Pakistan ko glaiyaan dete hai aab wo bhi namak haram hon ge? Punjab is the main culprit and we need one genocide in punjab to finish all nawaz supporter which make about 85% of punjab population.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When I talk to my Bengali friends they do not refer to 1971 being caused by Pakistan Army. They call it Punjabi Army. Punjab is still having disputes with nearly every other province. Majority of budget goes to Punjab and Islamabad.

We forcefully added Gilgit into Kashmir dispute because they were already Pakistani and we knew that they will all vote for Pakistan in referended and we will get extra votes in Kashmir plebiscite. In the process we did not merge Gilgit into Pakistan which was their right.

For more than 50 years we did not engage Afghans and answer to their grievances, because of British we split a Muslim state into two and made one of them landlocked. Then we complain after they kick and plead in desperation.

those who here are abusing afgahnis are punjabis who are the most corrupt nation specialy pakistani punjabis.Pechle 40 salon se nawaz chor ko elect kar rahe hain aur galiyaan afghano ko dete hain.sab se bade namak haram tu pakistan ke punjabi log hain.jis pakistan ka kate hain usi pakistan par chor aur dakoo musalat kar dete hain.In 2018 elections PML-N again got majority seats from Punjab.Jab in punjabion se apni namak harami ka sawal karo tu bund band ho jateee in ki.Iran ke log bhi Pakistan ko glaiyaan dete hai aab wo bhi namak haram hon ge? Punjab is the main culprit and we need one genocide in punjab to finish all nawaz supporter which make about 85% of punjab population.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
If you look at it from their perspective they had no other choice. British came and dismantled the region left them without access to the ocean. Reality 20th century is that Balochistan and KPK associate themselves more with Pakistan than being independent or being with Afghanistan. They miscalculated and paid the price.

But looking forward into 21st century the only permanent solution to Durand Line issue is merger of the two territories and removing the international border/Durand line. Afghanistan wont add much to our economy but in the long term both countries will benefit from the security. I think there were plans like this under way during Ayub reign but they were too occupied with Kashmir in that time to come to an agreement.

Also establishment has done a poor job guaranteeing the rights of all provinces that voted to join Pakistan. We did not give rights to people of Gilgat and sacrificed their rights so that we can earn some points in the Kashmir issue. In reality Gilgit is separate from Kashmir issue, Gilgit was not captured by Pakistani army, their people revolted against the Maharaja and requested to join Pakistan. Balochistan, Sindh and KPK were promised more autonomy which they never received. East Pakistan was ripped off when it came to budget allocation. Before 1971 allocation was based on land area, after 1971 it was based on population. We can blame Afghans and Indians but we did a shit job ourselves.

As for Kashmir, India had no claim to Kashmir in 1940s and 50s, Nehru was being humiliated everywhere. Whole international community supported Pakistan and we were asked to demilitarize the area and allow UN soldiers to take over before they arrived on IOK and did referendum there. We insisted on not to demilitarize and go to war instead because we believed in racist Muslim superiority to Hindus and the world lost interest in the Kashmir cause.
I don't care about any of that shit. After taking in 10 million of their refugees giving them shelter and peace and getting heroin and klashnikov culture in return. Still millions living in Pakistan and millions others whose livelihood is dependent on Pakistan, they have turned around, stabbed us in the back and gotten into bed with the Indians.

Even the ordinary Afghanis spite Pakistanis as there are many here. I have friends who have gone to Afghanistan and they moment they find out they are Pakistanis they are treated like shit. While they carry visiting Indians on their heads.

Not to mention the Indian backed cross border terrorism and spying in Pakistan, why does India need a dozen consulates in Afghanistan?

Now just look at the cricket team, they grew up in Pakistan, learned the game in Pakistan. Pakistan mentored them, let them play at a professional level in Pakistan. Peshawar was their home ground. Now all of a sudden India is their home ground. They never acknowledge Pakistans contribution, don't even speal urdu. Look at their fans all cheering for Indian etc etc etc etc
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
those who here are abusing afgahnis are punjabis who are the most corrupt nation specialy pakistani punjabis.Pechle 40 salon se nawaz chor ko elect kar rahe hain aur galiyaan afghano ko dete hain.sab se bade namak haram tu pakistan ke punjabi log hain.jis pakistan ka kate hain usi pakistan par chor aur dakoo musalat kar dete hain.In 2018 elections PML-N again got majority seats from Punjab.Jab in punjabion se apni namak harami ka sawal karo tu bund band ho jateee in ki.Iran ke log bhi Pakistan ko glaiyaan dete hai aab wo bhi namak haram hon ge? Punjab is the main culprit and we need one genocide in punjab to finish all nawaz supporter which make about 85% of punjab population.
I specially put your ugly racist ass on unignore for this thread and right on cue you don't fail to disappoint. You are ready to kill majority of Pakistans population but wont say a word against your beloved treacherous back stabbing son's of bitches Afghanis.
 

kayawish

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I specially put your ugly racist ass on unignore for this thread and right on cue you don't fail to disappoint. You are ready to kill majority of Pakistans population but wont say a word against your beloved treacherous back stabbing son's of bitches Afghanis.
stp electing corrupt people then wont become rasict.