Deen of islam vs mazhab and secularism

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For talking on this issue all are welcome be they muslims or nonmuslims but before anyone could speak on the issue one has to know quite a few things in detail such as:

1)What is aqal and how do you get it? This point is of utmost importance because to understand anything at all one needs to have aqal or one cannot understand anything at all. So be-aqal people cannot discuss anything till they become aqalmand.

2)What is ilm and how do you get it? Again a vitally important thing to have because without it one is totally lost. This is why anyone without proper knowledge cannot discuss anything at all in a proper way.

3)What is the purpose and why it is important to know about it? Nothing can make proper sense without a proper or valid purpose based study. It is because understanding of anything at all requires a proper context and context of anything cannot be known without knowing the actual purpose.

4)One has to know what is direct learning so that one could see what it involves. This will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

5) One has to know what is indirect learning so that one could see what it involves. This too will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

6)What are rules of judgement, where do they come from and why they are needed and how they are obtained and used?

7)What is cherry picking or process of elimination and why it is used and how it is used?

If one has no idea about these things in detail then one does not qualify for taking part in a discussion or debate because one cannot contribute anything at all in a discussion or debate.

Beside these there are other things also which one has to know well before one could speak on deen of islam properly such as:

1)What is human language and where has it come from and how? What are words and where do they come from and what are meanings of words and where do they come from?

2)What is language of God and is it possible for human beings to understand it, why and how? What is the mechanism involved in the process of decoding of language of God?

3)Why proper dictionaries tell us about origin and uses of a word and what does it tell us about usage of human language.

4)Why and how people expanded meanings of words in human languages instead of inventing totally new words each time things did not work unless a new meaning was given to a word?

5)How can expansion of meanings of words be valid for ancient people but not for people to come if they use exactly the same basis for it?

Only after knowing these like points in detail one can qualify to talk about God, his revelation and humanity otherwise not. It does not matter how many degrees or certificates one has from the top universities or madrassas around the world for studying religions or ideologies or societies or politics or cultures or economics or sciences or philosophies or etc etc.

Let us see how clever anyone and everyone is about knowing things about anything and everything before one give rest of humanity any lecture on God and his revelation.

For better understanding of what knowledge is and where it comes from see HERE. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
 
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knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For talking on this issue all are welcome be they muslims or nonmuslims but before anyone could speak on the issue one has to know quite a few things in detail such as:

1)What is aqal and how do you get it? This point is of utmost importance because to understand anything at all one needs to have aqal or one cannot understand anything at all. So be-aqal people cannot discuss anything till they become aqalmand.

2)What is ilm and how do you get it? Again a vitally important thing to have because without it one is totally lost. This is why anyone without proper knowledge cannot discuss anything at all in a proper way.

3)What is the purpose and why it is important to know about it? Nothing can make proper sense without a proper or valid purpose based study. It is because understanding of anything at all requires a proper context and context of anything cannot be known without knowing the actual purpose.

4)One has to know what is direct learning so that one could see what it involves. This will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

5) One has to know what is indirect learning so that one could see what it involves. This too will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

6)What are rules of judgement, where do they come from and why they are needed and how they are obtained and used?

7)What is cherry picking or process of elimination and why it is used and how it is used?

If one has no idea about these things in detail then one does not qualify for taking part in a discussion or debate because one cannot contribute anything at all in a discussion or debate.

Beside these there are other things also which one has to know well before one could speak on deen of islam properly such as:

1)What is human language and where has it come from and how? What are words and where do they come from and what are meanings of words and where do they come from?

2)What is language of God and is it possible for human beings to understand it, why and how? What is the mechanism involved in the process of decoding of language of God?

3)Why proper dictionaries tell us about origin and uses of a word and what does it tell us about usage of human language.

4)Why and how people expanded meanings of words in human languages instead of inventing totally new words each time things did not work unless a new meaning was given to a word?

5)How can expansion of meanings of words be valid for ancient people but not for people to come if they use exactly the same basis for it?

Only after knowing these like points in detail one can qualify to talk about God, his revelation and humanity otherwise not. It does not matter how many degrees or certificates one has from the top universities or madrassas around the world for studying religions or ideologies or societies or politics or cultures or economics or sciences or philosophies or etc etc.

Let us see how clever anyone and everyone is about knowing things about anything and everything before one give rest of humanity any lecture on God and his revelation.

For better understanding of what knowledge is and where it comes from see HERE. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.


1) What is aqal and how do you get it? - - - So be-aqal people cannot discuss anything till they become aqalmand.


ANSWER: How would you decide who is aqalmand and who is not?


2) What is ilm - - - anyone without proper knowledge cannot discuss anything at all in a proper way.
  • ANSWER: : What is proper knowledge? Who has proper knowledge? Who will decide who has proper knowledge?




Socrates is among the most famous figures in world history for his contributions to the development of ancient Greek philosophy which provided the foundation for all of Western Philosophy. He is, in fact, known as the "Father of Western Philosophy"

Even the smartest of the western phosphors had once said that “ "The only thing that I know is that I know nothing".

So how will you find out who has AQAL?


Almost 95% of the people who defend God or who talk about God or who take part in such a debate are the people who are born in that religion, Does that make them Aqalmand to talk about and prove to the world that their God is the right one? Why your God is always the right one (because you were born in that religion) and the person who is born in a different religion is always following the wrong God?



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Do you have an idea about these things yourself? And how do you qualify to take part in such a discussion yourself? How do I know you are aqalmand?
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
1) What is aqal and how do you get it? - - - So be-aqal people cannot discuss anything till they become aqalmand.


ANSWER: How would you decide who is aqalmand and who is not?


2) What is ilm - - - anyone without proper knowledge cannot discuss anything at all in a proper way.
  • ANSWER: : What is proper knowledge? Who has proper knowledge? Who will decide who has proper knowledge.


3)What is the purpose and why it is important to know about it? Nothing can make proper sense without a proper or valid purpose based study. It is because understanding of anything at all requires a proper context and context of anything cannot be known without knowing the actual purpose.


ANSWER: Who will decide what the correct relevance of the purpose it? The context which might look right to you might be wrong for the others.



4)One has to know what is direct learning so that one could see what it involves. This will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

ANSWER: What is direct learning ? How can you prove the proof that you have it? And also how does it decide what is true ?



++++++++You are talking about being very intelligent and being genius and you have repeated point 4 and 5, I guess you didn't read it after printing it.+++++++++++++++++



Socrates is among the most famous figures in world history for his contributions to the development of ancient Greek philosophy which provided the foundation for all of Western Philosophy. He is, in fact, known as the "Father of Western Philosophy"

Even the smartest of the western phosphors had once said that “ "The only thing that I know is that I know nothing".

So how will you find out who has AQAL?

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Do you have an idea about these things yourself? And how do you qualify to take part in such a discussion yourself? How do I know you are aqalmand?

Thank you dear knowledge for you response. If you had read my posts you should have known the answers to your questions.

Your reply does not show that you have any idea as to what I am talking about. So please read if you are interested in answers to the raised questions and see whether you have what it takes to answer these questions or not.

Remember to argue with someone over their ideas, one first has get to know them. Just talking for sake of talking is not conducive for the discussion.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So far I have explained vital importance of knowing some very basic things but now I am going to try and explain what is aql and what is ilm etc.

What is aql and what is ilm and how are they obtained or gotten hold of by mankind? Word aql is from root AIN, QAAF and LAAM. This root has many meanings and likewise word ILM is from root AIN, LAAM and MEEM. This root also has many meanings. In one sense root aql means ability to figure out things but in another sense it means to make proper sense of the information one has or is given to one. In this sense aql is a thing that comes to one by learning and that takes time. In other words to be sensible one has to learn sense to be sensible ie one is not born with having sense or understanding of all things rather one needs to get information about things and then one has to make sense of it. So those who do not learn sense of making proper sense of things they remain senseless or foolish.

Word ilm in one sense means information about something and in another sense it means knowing something or having proper understanding of something. People can give information to each other about things but they cannot give their understanding of something to others. This is why education is about helping others with information so that they could try and understand things their own way.

In one sense aql and ilm are gifts from God ie in sense of ability to figure things out and in sense of revealed information from God. A person is born with this ability this is why one is able to make sense of things as soon as one is born and and starts sensing things all around oneself. However when it comes to making proper sense of things one has to make one's own effort to learn sense of making proper sense of things by collecting and processing information about things. One gets better and better at doing that with time and more and more information one gets ie practice or experience makes one better or perfect at it.

As for ilm, it is all about learning information about things and making sense of that information so that one could come to understanding of the thing one wishes to know. To have proper knowledge of something one has to know some aspects that are involved in learning knowledge about things.

I am discussing these things because unless people have these abilities and they use them appropriately they can never make sense of anything at all let alone make proper sense of this world or revelation of God. This is why those who endeavour to learn sense of making proper sense of things become sensible and those who do not remain senseless and foolish regardless what they claim to be by their own mouths.

Muslims are in dire state of existence because they made two main mistakes. One, they ignored helping people to learn the language of the quran and the other, they failed to interpret the quranic text in its purpose based proper contexts. This is what caused all the problems for muslims and nonmuslims alike throughout the world.

Humanity in general has made major errors in understanding God related concepts. This is why they ended up portraying God as a monster or a tyrant or a bully or a cruel being as if God has no goodness in him as a being to be appreciated for. God is projected by religions as a being who has no sense and he does things like a spoiled senseless child.

Unless one gets the basics right as I have explained them nothing else can be understood at all. Most people who claim to be religious believe that sense of making proper sense of things or knowledge is gift of God or is given by God. This is not true. Why not? Because God only gives people his revelations and abilities or potential or talents and not what people are supposed to get or obtain all by themselves. God is only supposed to provide people with things they need to carry out his program to fulfil his purpose for which he has created them but rest has to be their own effort. This is why people must become sensible and knowledgeable or learned or wise.

Becoming sensible is all about getting better and better in rational thinking or rationality and becoming learned is all about having a lot of purpose based information and making proper sense of it. The more human beings do this the better they become at it.

What I have explained is nothing new for anyone because we all go through exactly the same processes in this regard. What is new for people is how I put things together and explain things in a very different context for a very different purpose.

So let me now try to explain the process of learning knowledge ie how we come to know something the way it should be known. Here we will have an explanation in form of coded gestures or noises we call words as I have explained in detail already. We need these codes because without them we can never make any sense of anything at all. If I say to someone please write a letter for me, what one needs to know before one could fulfil my this request?

One will first of all have to know what do I mean by the words I have used. This means one has to know application or relation of these words to things or actions. If one has no idea what is writing or letter etc etc then one cannot carry out this request. Now even if one has understanding of these applications and relations or connections between words and things that are talked about still one cannot carry out the request. It is because one has to go through a learning process to experience all this by oneself by actually doing things directly.

It is because one cannot write a letter just because I asked for it. One has to know how to write things as well as what writing a letter actually involves. Look back in your own life as a child and see how you could not read or write or do anything at all till someone taught you how to do it till after a lot of very hard work and practice. Same is very obvious in science classes in schools or universities. How teachers show or demonstrate to kids to do things but they still hesitate to do them on their own and they keep trying till they get things right. So one can see learning knowledge is a complete process or one only knows things partially.

This is why engineers go through a lot of practical training just like lawyers and doctors etc etc. Normally when we ask each other do you know this or that the answer is a quick yes without any thinking or reflection. However the answer involves a lot of thinking and reflection because to say I know and to actually know things involved a huge process of learning behind it.

When people talk in general about things they just tell stories about things but they have no real knowledge about things. People use words without relating or connecting them to realities or concepts they are supposed to be expressing through them.

The other problem for people regarding defining knowledge is, they talk far too much nonsense instead of looking at it in a purposeful way. By looking at things in an aimless way we end up wasting our time as well as get more and more confused by going in circles.

This is why people do not know what aql is or what ilm is. This is why most people are superstitious or religious who love making up things or making things mysterious or believing in made up things for no sensible purpose at all. The same is true about scientists and philosophers. Scientists keep coming up with nonsense theories and philosophers with nonsense explanations of things. All because they do not look at things objectively or purposefully. The result is over skepticism about things which turns people into individuals who are full of doubts about things and suspicious about anything and everything. On the other extreme people turn mental slaves believing in anything and everything senselessly. This makes people utterly useless for actual life and living it properly.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Before a human could understand or really know something properly one needs to have at least a few things to begin with otherwise nothing can make proper sense to a human being.

1) We humans need light to see things that need to be seen by us otherwise we cannot see what needs to be seen.

2) We human beings also need eyes that can see what needs to be seen otherwise having light alone is not going to be of any use.

3) We human beings need things that need to be seen by us otherwise just having light and eyes on their own mean nothing at all.

4) Having all these still remain useless unless we have intelligence or intellectual ability to be able to make sense of things if they are suppose to be understood by us.

5) All these things still remain useless unless we have a proper context for them to make proper sense of them.

6) The question is, where from can we get the proper context of things in which they could be understood properly or that they could make proper sense to us human beings?

7) The context of things comes from their purpose for which they are made or designed or planned or came about. So where does the purpose of things come from?

8) The only one who can tell us actual purpose of things is the one who has made or designed or planned them. Anything we ourselves assume or guess or conjecture can only be possibilities at the most and not necessarily realities. To go for endless possibilities when we have already have information about it is not a good idea or the right thing to do because that will waste a lot of our time needlessly.

9) This is why dismissing God and revelation of God leads us into chaos and confusion therefore anarchy about anything and everything because we are then left to all kinds of possibilities and uncertainties and therefore we end up nowhere.

This clearly shows how vitally important it is to know the true purpose of something to begin with because true purpose gives us right direction to go in rather than going nowhere at all other than going in circles and ending up in all sorts of mental and physical problems.
 

optimist_

Voter (50+ posts)
Interesting topic but a lot to read, it'll be nice if we can break it down so we can have discussion on it.

Two cents from me, dont try to prove something which is already proven/understood, 1 + 1 = 2, it'll be very difficult to prove it wrong.
 

jani1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For talking on this issue all are welcome be they muslims or nonmuslims but before anyone could speak on the issue one has to know quite a few things in detail such as:

1)What is aqal and how do you get it? This point is of utmost importance because to understand anything at all one needs to have aqal or one cannot understand anything at all. So be-aqal people cannot discuss anything till they become aqalmand.

2)What is ilm and how do you get it? Again a vitally important thing to have because without it one is totally lost. This is why anyone without proper knowledge cannot discuss anything at all in a proper way.

3)What is the purpose and why it is important to know about it? Nothing can make proper sense without a proper or valid purpose based study. It is because understanding of anything at all requires a proper context and context of anything cannot be known without knowing the actual purpose.

4)One has to know what is direct learning so that one could see what it involves. This will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

5) One has to know what is indirect learning so that one could see what it involves. This too will help one decide what to accept as true and why and what not to accept as true and why not.

6)What are rules of judgement, where do they come from and why they are needed and how they are obtained and used?

7)What is cherry picking or process of elimination and why it is used and how it is used?

If one has no idea about these things in detail then one does not qualify for taking part in a discussion or debate because one cannot contribute anything at all in a discussion or debate.

Beside these there are other things also which one has to know well before one could speak on deen of islam properly such as:

1)What is human language and where has it come from and how? What are words and where do they come from and what are meanings of words and where do they come from?

2)What is language of God and is it possible for human beings to understand it, why and how? What is the mechanism involved in the process of decoding of language of God?

3)Why proper dictionaries tell us about origin and uses of a word and what does it tell us about usage of human language.

4)Why and how people expanded meanings of words in human languages instead of inventing totally new words each time things did not work unless a new meaning was given to a word?

5)How can expansion of meanings of words be valid for ancient people but not for people to come if they use exactly the same basis for it?

Only after knowing these like points in detail one can qualify to talk about God, his revelation and humanity otherwise not. It does not matter how many degrees or certificates one has from the top universities or madrassas around the world for studying religions or ideologies or societies or politics or cultures or economics or sciences or philosophies or etc etc.

Let us see how clever anyone and everyone is about knowing things about anything and everything before one give rest of humanity any lecture on God and his revelation.

For better understanding of what knowledge is and where it comes from see HERE. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Interesting topic but a lot to read, it'll be nice if we can break it down so we can have discussion on it.

Two cents from me, dont try to prove something which is already proven/understood, 1 + 1 = 2, it'll be very difficult to prove it wrong.

Thanks for your response dear optimistic, I hope you will try to find time to share your thoughts in a bit of detail as well.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What is direct learning method? It is about how we human beings learn things after we come into this world. It is vitally important to realise that we are born with ability to figure out things all by ourselves to begin with. Had we not been born with ability to figure out things then we could not learn anything at all because to figure out things one has to have ability to do so. This is why we are able to self program and our this ability to figure out things is a gift from God ie we are born with it. However learning things ie figuring out things takes time and a lot of practice and hard work.

After birth people learn all they can that is within their direct reach by directly interacting with it ie by experimenting with it. This is how they learn how to use the information they get from their own five senses. They learn things step by step and each step helps them move on to the next step or next level.

This is how one learns how to use one's mind, senses and body mechanisms. This is why we are able use our limbs and sit up or crawl or stand up or walk or run etc etc. This is how we learn how to read and write or how to drive and make or operate machines etc etc. Each and everything we do needs a lot of practice to get hang of it. Direct learning does have a flaw and that is we can make loads of mistakes about things till we get them right by keep trying. Think about how many times you fell when you were learning how to sit up properly or when you were trying to learn crawling or when you were learning how to stand up or walk or run. It was a very demanding situation. In other words learning anything and everything was not a piece of cake at all but it was an uphill struggle.

This direct learning we call it our life experience. Any new information we get we judge it on basis of what we already know. If it fits our already gained experience or model we already have in our minds then it is fine but if not then thinking process restarts by deconstruction and reconstruction of information ie we try to restructure or readjust information till it all fits in well with each other or we ignore it till we get more information that helps fit it in our inner model. This is how our inner model of the world keeps changing with time. This is why we keep changing our minds about things as we learn more and more about them with passing time.

After getting hang of direct learning we needed to learn things indirectly and that is because not all things are within our own easy reach directly. This is why to know about things out of our own reach we depend on various other things including people and mechanisms they invent to overcome their limitations as much as they can. The main point in indirect learning is that if something is not within my own reach directly then it is does not mean it is not within reach of anyone else either. If I am in one place then other people are in other places therefore I can tell them information about things within my reach in the place where I am and they can tell me information about things within their reach. This is what we call sharing or exchanging information with one another or each other. Here all we are doing is sharing with each other our personal direct experiences. This is what we do in our schools, colleges and universities. This is what we call teaching and learning. There are many ways whereby people share information with one another throughout the world.

However, just as we have problem with direct learning which we call human error so we have an additional problem with indirect learning as well. This problem is people lying to each other or passing on to each other false information as true. This problem is solved to some degree through formation of rules of judgement whereby we can try and catch out lies of each other in order to reach the actual truth regarding a matter of concern. So one can see how important it is to know rules of judgement and their proper use or one can never come to know the truth regarding anything at all. It is this kind of ignorance that leaves people utterly confused about things. This is how simple minded or ignorant or foolish people end up manipulated or used abusively by those who have harmful and destructive mindsets, attitudes and behaviours and because they are cleverer than themselves who use them for furthering their own harmful and destructive agendas. This is why learning sense of making proper sense of things and having proper knowledge about things is of vital importance.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Rules of judgement are known by all lawyers through out the human world and many others as well so no need to go into much detail of them.

The main thing in rules of judgement is consistency in a statement. So any inconsistent statement is either incomplete or defective or faulty or is false. Word evidence means two things a)testimony=witness statement or explanation by a witness through words and b)related facts or objects or real things that are related or relevant to the statement. Word proof means the best rationally consistent explanation of something. This will be explained in detail later on.

Suppose a witness makes a statement that I saw a person shooting someone twice in the chest with a gun. This statement could be true or false. The explanation given by the witness will be accepted true if what witness says is backed by the available evidences or involved or related facts or objects as well. For example, the gun is recovered which is the murder weapon and fingerprints confirm it as a murder weapon. The two bullets are taken out of the dead body from its chest and the ballistic tests confirm that these bullets came out of this gun etc etc.

On the other hand if a witness is mistaken or lying then either his witness statement will contradict itself or will not match the related evidences or facts. In either case the witness will be proven a defective or a false witness.

So one can see how rules are derived from certain situations to decide matters or cases or issues or affairs etc. For example, from here we can clearly see that all claims or accusations or statements which contradict one another cannot be true. The only possibility here is that only one of them may be true or could be true. For example, one person may claim that only one person was involved in a killing but the other person may claim that there were two persons were involved. So either one person could be telling the truth or the other but both cannot be telling the truth because they differ about the facts. However, which of them is telling the truth and which of them is lying needs to be investigated otherwise the truth cannot be known.

Similarly a person whose statement or story or explanation contradicts itself or available facts or self evident facts cannot be true. This is how such like rules help us find out the truth about things.

The Process of investigation about things must also be known or one cannot investigate anything at all to find the truth.

Investigation never starts automatically just for sake of it rather it always starts when something comes up which needs to be investigated. In other words we need some reason or purpose which forces us to start an investigation about something.

Investigation involves process of elimination or isolation whereby we try to limit things to only needed things by ignoring all else that is irrelevant. This is also called a cherry picking process and it is used anywhere and everywhere. Why? Because we human beings do not have infinite time on our hands for dealing with infinite number of possibilities involved in things otherwise. To know these like points is of utmost importance.

Let say, two people are walking along a road and they come across a dead body of person. They report it to the authorities. What are the authorities going to do and why? The authorities will have to establish on basis of available evidences what happened to the dead person or what caused his or her death. They have standard procedure for investigation of these like cases. They will go through a list of likely possibilities and look at the available evidences and that way they will eliminate those possibilities which cannot be true. They can look at possibility whether this person was murdered or was this person killed by an accident, did the person commit suicide or he died a natural death etc etc. This is how each line of inquiry is exhausted and the death of the person is declared as one of the possibilities. For example, if a suicide note is found beside a dead body and gun and the bullet hole through the head of the dead person then it will look as if the person has committed suicide etc etc.

Process of elimination is used anywhere and everywhere to save time and energy. For example, if one has a headache and goes to a doctor, the doctor will not put on his machines right away and check him out in every way. That will be unnecessary because it will be a waste of time and energy. Instead the doctor will ask the patient what is wrong with you. In reply patient will say, I have a headache. Now doctor will only need to concentrate on what could be the cause of it and see what will cure it and that is problems solved. The already existing information in a database will be found very helpful for any and every field including medical field. Standard ailments will have standard remedies. However if anything new comes up then full investigation will need to take place and database will also need to be updated for any future such cases.

Even at home we use process of elimination or cherry picking. For example, If I want to cook a chicken then I will make a list of things that will be needed for this purpose. Then I will go to a shop and get things I needs instead of carrying the whole shop stuff with me back to my home. So if we have the purpose in mind for being or having or using or doing something then that helps us isolate things or minimise possibilities and that helps us get to the end result very quickly without wasting too much time or energy due to giving us context in which to tackle things.

Likewise there are various other vitally important things as well which one has to know before one could decide things such as laws of nature as to what they are and how do we humans come to know them. Are these laws permanent or temporary and why they cannot be violated etc etc. What is proof and proving about. In this thread I will be discussing anything and everything about God and revelation in a purposeful way. All vitally important things will be explained in this thread in their own places when I explain their related things. So now one can decide for oneself, can anyone come to know anything at all properly without knowing these like things first? No way. If anyone thinks one can then I need to know how.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Origin of human language is nothing difficult to understand if we look at it in its proper context.

1)What is human language and where has it come from and how? To begin with think about what are words and where do they come from and what are meanings of words and where do they come from?

Human language is nothing more than some gestures and some noises. Even animals have their own languages to communicate with one another. To some degree all animals can understand each other or can make some meaningful sense by observing behaviours of each other and that is why they can interact with each other in the very same environment the way they do. However human language is a work of higher degree much more above other animals.

It begins with birth of a child who is born with ability to self program or to figure out things all by himself. This is how a child learns and builds on that learning more and more as time passes. The main thing to understand is an interaction between a mother and her baby. How they code and decode each other's gestures and noises and this how coding and decoding of gestures and noises begins. For example, a human baby cries or gives a signal to his mother. Mother interprets this noise as a need for some attention by baby. She with her experience with baby comes to know her baby cries when he is hungry or needs his nappy changed etc etc. With time her hunches or conjectures or guesses about baby keep coming true. This is beginning of human language ie of words and their meanings. For example, crying means to shout or to raise alarm or draw attention or express sadness or sorrow or grief or regret or unhappiness etc etc. So one can see how a single and very simple acts could mean so many things. Then as a human baby starts talking he uses the very same word for everything till he learn more words for more things the baby wants to express.

As time passes and baby grows the baby begins to make different kinds of noises which his mother interprets by guessing and this is how a database becomes built up in the mind of the mother and likewise in the mind of the baby. Eventually these noise patterns are called words between a particular group of people who have been interacting with each other over a long period of time. These codes we call words are not understood by people of other groups because they did not interact with these people but likewise they also developed their own languages. However if we place a person from outside into a group they can still communicate with each other but not at higher level rather just at very basic level ie they go back to gestures or baby language and build on that from there onwards.

Since this is the way humans have invented or they have come up with their language or they have learned their language so if we place a human baby in any group of people he will be able to learn their language the same way without any problems. Not only that even if adult people from different languages live among another people they too can learn their languages by interacting with them. It is because we know the mechanism involved in learning a language ie all we do is learn coding and decoding in a new style.

Since we know origin of human language and its development therefore we know the mechanisms that are involved in all this process. We know how what we call words got their meanings and mechanism. This is why anyone can give meanings to words at any time as and when the need arises to do so. Therefore the questions like, why proper dictionaries tell us about origin and uses of a word and what does it tell us about usage of human language? Why and how people expanded meanings of words in human languages instead of inventing totally new words each time things did not work unless a new meaning was given to a word? How can expansion of meanings of words be valid for ancient people but not for people to come if they use exactly the same basis or methods or mechanisms for doing so? For more detailed explanation one will have to read things HERE

2)What is language of God and is it possible for human beings to understand it, why and how? What is the mechanism involved in the process of decoding of language of God?

Just as people do not understand languages of each other because they belong to separate groups due to not interacting with each other directly so people are not part of a group where they have God as a member of their group with whom they have interacted directly. This is why God is a stranger for people and so is his use of language. However, since people know how languages work and what mechanisms are involved in them therefore people are able to decode language of God as well provided they are familiar with things already explained in detail.

This is why anyone who claims to understand the message from God must demonstrate one's familiarity with the process and involved mechanisms in decoding message of God. Interpretation of message of God is not a simple task but a responsibility of a highest possible degree. It is because in a way one is trying to act as a spokes person for God. Moreover getting things wrong has terrible consequences for humanity this is why humanity must do all it can according to the best of its God given abilities to interpret the message of God as best as possible. If people will interpret message of God wrongly then they will never find the actual message of God but its opposite which will portray God as a satan or a monster or tyrant or bully or an oppressor. Message of God cannot be translated at all but only and only can be interpreted and that is because the verses in the quran have parallel complementary meanings as well which no translation can accommodate but interpretation can.

Only after knowing these like points in detail one can qualify to talk about God, his revelation and humanity otherwise not. It does not matter how many degrees or certificates one has from the top universities or madrassas around the world for studying religions or ideologies or societies or politics or cultures or economics or sciences or philosophies etc etc. More key points will be explained as we go along. Rational consistency is of vital importance from start to end. All things are supposed to be interlinked or interdependent or interconnected because they are part of the very same program of God be it revelation of God or creation of God. This is why first one must come to know deen of islam as a set of main interconnected blocks and then what is involved in each of the blocks in its interconnected detail. It is just like the parts of the human body or a car or any other apparatus or mechanism be it God made or man made.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What has been explained already in detail brings us to question, why God has created things and particularly human beings? As explained already by me in my various posts to which links have been given already, God decided to express himself and he did so in two ways ie through creation and revelation.

1)God gave human beings abilities to understand creation and revelation but he left it entirely up to them to do so. The reason God gave freedom of choice to people and created them knowing nothing at all is so that people self program and find out all by themselves about God and things freely so that they could appreciate God as God wants them to do if they so choose or do their own things and face consequences God alerts or informs or warns them about.

2)God created human beings and gave them a task to complete or set them a goal to achieve for which he put mankind through a constant struggle or hard work. The question is, what is that assignment from God for human beings? It is to turn this world into a paradise for themselves with help and full support of each other according to the guidance provided for them by God himself. Here the first question one has to ask oneself is what the best possible life people can have in this world and how can they bring it about? What is in it for human beings? A great life in this world for human beings as well as a reward for them for doing so in hereafter as well.

3)What is in it for God? Appreciation by human beings as God wanted for himself from human beings due to which he expressed himself and created all things including human beings. This is why human beings think of God as a being full of nothing but goodness through and through. First of all God is appreciated or highly valued or regarded because he has guided humanity towards a great life in this world and once human beings follow that guidance and create that kind of life for themselves they will appreciate God and humanity yet more but things do not end there rather God also will appreciate his human creatures for doing what he wanted them to do. The day all this finally happens humanity will be happy with its God and God will be happy with his human creatures because God and people together will have achieved their intended end goal. This is all what this creation is all about according to the quranic teaching.

4)Now the question, how people are going to do that ie turn this world into a paradise for themselves? They are going to do that by organising and regulating themselves for this assignment given to them by God via the quran. To organise and regulate themselves into a proper human community people need a proper constitution with its proper laws. From where this proper constitution and its proper laws are supposed to come? They will come from the quran itself. How?

Before I explain all that one has to understand what a proper constitution is about and what are proper laws of a constitution about. One has to understand that a constitution starts with aims and objectives. Why? Because aims and objectives decide where a people based upon the constitution are supposed to be heading or trying to reach in their journey or what they are intending or trying to achieve or accomplish by following this constitution.

5)The quran decides aims and objectives of an islamic constitution in this age and it tells people the over all aim or objective set for people is to turn this world into a paradise for themselves for sake of God. The aims or objectives are decided by purpose for which God has revealed the quran or his earlier messages and for which God has created all things including human beings. No other aim or objective can be set in this constitution which could contradict its this main aim and objective.

Since we have the main aim and objective then all other aims and objectives or laws will have to be made consistent or in line with the main aim and objective. This is to ensure that all people who agree with the message in the quran go in the very same direction for accomplishing or fulfilling or reaching the very same goal or the same end or destination. Those who disagree with the message in the quran they can do whatever they like and face the consequences for doing so. Messed up lives in this world are the consequences of doing that as well as they will face strict justice in hereafter as well. This is why people must never even think about inflicting painful suffering upon each other for their personal gains at each other's expense in this life let alone do them as they will end up regretting doing that when they will be made to face the consequences for doing so in here as well as in hereafter as well. So none is getting away with anything wrong they think or do against anyone or anything.

6)Turning to formation of laws or legislation the question arises, what are guidelines in the quran for making proper laws for the quran based constitution and why are they needed? All one needs to do is pick out all the commandments from the quran which tell its supporters to do all they should and can according to the best of their God given abilities for ensuring well being of humanity as a whole just for sake of God alone without looking for any rewards from each other so that the set aims and objectives could become a reality in the real world. However when things begin the resources will be very limited so they will have to be used sensibly properly to expand the ideology. This means in the beginning resources will have to be used in a targeted way so that there is a good return which helps expand the movement. This is why the movement will have to be based upon the idea of cooperation of the willing.

God has already provided us human beings with all things we will ever need for creating the best possible world for ourselves for as long as it will last according to the plan and purpose of God. Since God has provided us with all we need for the purpose of creating the best possible world therefore ball is in our court to get up and get on with the job for doing what is told or expected of us by God. God has given us all we needed free of charge but only for fulfilling his assigned task or assignment. This is why to mismanage God given things has serious and severe consequences for us human beings as a hugely large human family. We can make lives of each other a paradise with all that as well as we can make lives of each other a living hell in this world. The choice is ours alone to do so and be rewarded or end up in terrible suffering by hands of one another. This is why we humans need to educate ourselves fully about program of God so that we could come together and make this world a paradise for all of us rather than staying ignorant and foolish and doing stupid things to each other whereby we ruin everything for ourselves as a big human family. This is what actual deen of islam is all about and the rest is all false propaganda by slaves of ignorant ruling elite, money lending elite and mullaans ie the religious elite and their touts and followers.

Next, pick out all the commandments of God from the quran which tell people do not do anything to anyone which may bring harm or destruction to them but do so just for sake of God alone and not for profiting from anyone else. Now we have what we can call actual sharia law based upon the quran itself. No need to detail things here as to how many departments we need to make in a governing body nor how many layers of governing body or how office holders are supposed to be selected and elected or appointed by ummah itself etc etc or what are their rights and responsibilities etc etc. They are all easy to work out because they are to be dictated by the needs of a proper human community that comes together or will come together for building such a human society. The basic thing here to realise is that islamic governing or government is not about a few people ruling all other people but about people serving God by fifilling needs of all others to the very best of their God given abilities just for sake of God alone. It is an opposite way of governing system than those invented and imposed by some human beings themselves in order to control all the rest by force for their own stupid and anti humanity agendas. Godly system of governing is based upon cooperation of the willing and it is a self regulating system. A system that suits only and only those who are most knowledgeable and most motivated people. This is why people who are ignorant and stubborn or arrogant and haughty can never bring about such an islamic state in the kingdom of God.

The sharia law is all about imposing upon people everything as a duty that helps them move in the direction set by the aims and objectives told in the islamic constitution. Not only that but it is also about stopping people from doing anything that stops or hinders or slows them down from moving in the direction set by the quranic set of aims and objectives. This is how people are suppose to live or abide by shariah law. This has nothing at all to do with mullaans' shariah, which is an absolute disgrace whereby mullaans have got very bad name for actual deen of islam by creating their own version of islam which they call religion of islam whereas islam is not a religion at all as clearly explained by me. As has been explained in detail this is the actual sharia law based properly upon the quranic guidelines and anyone who has knowledge of the quran can confirm it by oneself.

Now that we have sharia law the question arises, how can we bring about the kingdom of God? Simply by learning actual message of the quran properly and spreading it worldwide then letting people decide whether they wish to live by rule of law of God as it is told in the quran or do they wish to live by different versions of religion and secularism. However before people make that choice it too is absolutely necessary to explain what different versions of religion and secularism are all about so that people could make real comparison between actual way of life called deen of islam and ways of life based upon idea of a combination of religion and secularism. This should clearly show why deen of islam can completely eradicate poverty and disease and all bad things in proper context of deen of islam but religion and secularism can never do so no matter what. They ( ie religion and secularism) if anything are causes of poverty and diseases and all other kind of problems humanity is living through right now and has been living through ever since it came about.

7)Since I am mainly talking about islam here so it is important that one should come to know what are the problems with religion called islam or mullaism. Religion islam is a mullaan creation on behest of rulers and money lenders. Why that is the case? It is because religion portrays God as a devil or a satan. Who has created humanity to put it through a test. So those who will obey God will be rewarded in hereafter with life in paradise and those who will not obey God will be punished in hereafter in hell. The question is why does God need to test people? Can this be true purpose for which God has created this world? No, not at all. Also because according to mullaans' their islam has five main pillars to which all else is secondary, namely belief in parastish or pooja of only one deity, (parastish or pooja or poja or puja is all about rituals performed to show respect to only one deity in religion of islam, in short it is just a way of paying mere lip service to God and doing one's own things ie setting up one's own goals and going after them disregarding God set aims and objectives and laws). The other pillar of islam is called pooja or prayer ie flattering deity and asking for favours of the deity. Yet another pillar is called fasting from dawn till sunset daily for one month in the month of ramadan. Another pillar is called paying 2.5% of one's wealth each year to poor people. Last pillar is about visiting a small building called kaaba in makkah, in saudi arabia.

From these most important things upon which mullaans' islam is based or founded or rests that are called pillars of islam, can anyone see anything that really deals with real world's real problems which humanity faces on daily basis? Absolutely not. So what such a religion can offer humanity so that it could be worth it for them to accept this sort of islam? Absolutely nothing. The other problem is with the mass of literature which mullaans have produced for their blind followers to read through to get hang of what beliefs and the stated rituals are about so that they could perfect them for pleasure of God. All this takes people away from what they are actually supposed to be thinking and doing for putting food on their tables. Sadly this is how almost all muslims normally waste away their lives throughout the muslim world due to their ignorance about actual message in the quran.

Yet mullaans and their blind followers dare claim their islam is the best thing in the world because it has solutions for all human problems. The question is, something that does not even deem the real world important how can it solve problems humanity has if it does not deal with them as something important to begin with? This clearly shows how mullaans' claim about their islam is totally false. Any other religion also has alike problems because religious versions by their very nature do not deal with real world real issues. A clear cut proof against all versions of religion that they are not from one true God rather they are man made things to fool humanity about God and this clearly points to people who have invented and established them ie those who directly benefit from all this carry on ie the foolish and stupid rulers, the money lenders and mullaans or religious leadership or elite.

8)Now that we know what is mainly wrong with all versions of religion ie they do not give priority to life in this world at all let us now turn to different versions of secularism. It is absolutely necessary to do that because secularists also claim they can make human world better. Let us talk about capitalist secularist democrats. Just one question, how can anyone who is a capitalist make this world a better place for humanity when it is all about negative competition or rivalries which creates enemies or animosities not friends or friendships? This is a clear cut way of dividing people and ruling them by fooling them through false hopes and mass propaganda through mass media outlets or media houses. This mass brainwashing work was done through temples and priests in olden times but now media sources are much more in their numbers and they have more tools at their disposals. This is why all politicians and economist lie to people twenty-four seven giving them false hopes for their future due to their own ignorance and foolishness and stupidity. Secularism is nothing more than power struggle between people be it in form of capitalism or communism or for that matter socialism.

In this way of life people just struggle to gain domination over each other to try to reach the top by undermining each other which creates a few billionaires at the expense of all the rest who are dispossessed by this system of competition and governance. Read what I have already explained why or how these people set up charities and pay their taxes etc etc just to buy peace for themselves that is not real. If it was real they will not be wearing bullet proof vests and travelling in bullet proof vehicles with armed body guards. Is anyone really happy in this way of life? No. Many are on various kinds of drugs to avoid depression or to get through their depression if they have fallen into it already. Just as capitalism is merely abusive use of human beings by way of money mechanism, communism is exactly the same but uses position of power for abusive use of weaker members of the society. As for as socialism, it is only a mixture of the two explained whereby people are abusively used by them both ie position of power and money power.

This is how secular ways of life waste so many lives that fail to go up the ladder of what they call success. If we look at the real world situation capitalism and communism have ruined human world throughout the world. So much of the talent human beings are born with to be able to do a lot of good for sake of God is wasted through negative competition that keeps people busy in fighting or keeping them at war with each other all the time anywhere and everywhere throughout the human world. In secularist ideologies there is no incentive for people to do anything for anyone other than one having power or money for oneself in return and that is why these systems are based upon selfishness and greed. Therefore anyone saying so and so is a greedy or selfish person is wrong because it is fault of all people who have invented and imposed or accepted this way of life rather than coming up with something that is actually good for humanity. This is why only and only proper islamic system has a very different base or foundation for humanity to stand upon and look at things from that point of view. If people can die for God or can kill for God as the perception is created by secularists and mullaans alike then why can't they do what God really asks them to do? After all according to religious and secularists God incentive is the best incentive so why it should not work for a true islamic state that is based upon actual deen of islam? lf God and his set out main goal can be the real incentive for mankind then why not adopt the system God has revealed for humanity to govern itself by and take proper advantage of it?

This is why people who willfully live by religion and secularism cannot be Godly people at all but they can only and only pretend to be. This is how religious and secular versions come together to produce and introduce a special kind of God who does not mind people using each other abusively because this God is ever ready for forgiving such people and all people need to do is ask God for forgiveness and all is forgiven. Not only that but there is also a belief about intercession as well by so called Godly people or holy men for the sinners. So one should be able see where all this leads humanity at the end of the day despite all the claims that are made by religious and secular people.

9) Now that we can see how secularists do things ie use three economic models a)capitalism b)communism and c) socialism. Therefore wherever we have these systems they cannot help eliminate poverty like the model given in the quran? Why not? Because they are founded upon the idea of negative competition between people. This is how and why they turn the whole issue into a terrible power struggle or wars for getting power between individuals instead of ensuring well being of all human beings in a sensible way or the way the quran guides. In a capitalist system only and only rich people can dictate things and all the rest have no choice but to obey what is dictated or suffer the consequences. That is because only money talks or dictates things in this system and nothing else so people are forced to go along or stay hungry and naked and open to all kinds of abuses by others.

In a communist system only the people in the position of authority have power according to their ranking and rest must fall in line as dictated because its position of power that talks or dictates things. So if anyone tries to fall out one has to face serious consequences for doing so. The mixed economy system is called socialist system which is a mixture of both capitalist and communist systems so people are abused both ways in this system as a way of life. This is why in these systems only rich get richer or only powerful get more powerful because that is the way all these systems are set up to work till nature strikes and things get out of control of humanity altogether. However none of these systems can stand if masses of people decide to join forces and replace these systems with the one told in the quran. To do so is not that easy as it may seem because getting proper education is not that easy for individuals because it too is very demanding. Not only that but education based revolution by its very nature is a very time consuming one ie look at how long it takes for individuals to become graduates ie nearly two decades. However mean while the systems we have in the world are gradually moving in that direction. So when a tipping point is reached, things will change all of a sudden.

10)All this should clearly explain to people why people like mullaans are employed by all of these secularists to make and keep masses foolish on behalf of capitalists or communists or socialists. This is why mullaans are stooges of rulers and money lenders who for this like reasons as well misinterpret the quran to keep people confused so that secularists could have their way for as long as masses remain foolish or stupid and they keep believing all the rubbish rulers, money lenders and mullaans tell them and their mass media has a huge impact on masses to keep them in the dark due to their own ignorance and foolishness or stupidity.

From all this explanation one should be able to see clearly why one cannot put food on the table merely by living by a version of religion alone and praying to God etc, because God does not throw food for people as individuals from the heavens. This is why religion and secularism work in partnership with each other for using masses abusively by keeping them confused for as long as they can. It is because God has already assigned a goal to accomplish for mankind and he has already given them for it all they needed so what is point of asking God again and again for things which he has already given to people for fulfilling his mission? Religion and secularism are made to appear to be two separate things that are always at the throats of each other but the truth is they are both in bed with each other and I have already clearly explained problems with them else where as well. Mainly they are two sides of the very same coin. Why? Because religions deals with God department through religious leaders whereby people use each other abusively in the name of God and God gets all the blame for their horrible thoughts and actions against each other. Secularism deals with worldly matters through secular leaders ie they set up things for people as to how they should get their food on their tables by controlling their livelihood etc etc.

11)However once true interpretation of the quran shows up and people are educated enough to be able to understand things for themselves then world is going to change for the better all of a sudden. So if masses want a better world for themselves the only way they can get it is by way of studying the quranic way of life properly as well as all other ways of life so that they could see the real difference between deen of islam and all the rest of ways of life so that they could clearly decide which of them is truly good for themselves. The sooner they will do this the sooner this nightmare they are going through will end otherwise it will continue no matter what people do just as it has been going on for so long. Some people have multiple phds but yet they lack real knowledge that is absolutely necessary for them to have. This should also explain why people always talk against the quran and quran based islam and why mullaans have misinterpreted the quran the way they did beside being ignorant. Actual deen of islam as I have explained it here is a very simple and straightforward thing.

In light of what has been explained by me, people can see how good they are in learning things and in looking at things so that they could choose for themselves good aims and objectives to live for and to create appropriates laws to abide by. Running around like headless chickens is no answer to anything at all. If we humans will get anything worth getting it then that can only come through a proper struggle or hard work. Keeping ourselves entertained wrongly will never lead us to a better end merely by chance as it has not in the past. All goals worth achieving are very demanding and need to be taken up as missions to work towards.

If peace, progress and prosperity of humanity is truly our goal and that this goal is truly worth it to be taken up as a mission then what is stopping us from coming together and going for it full speed ahead? This is what actual deen of islam is all about. This way of life called islam is not called islam just for sake of it rather it is a way of life that is capable of leading humanity to a blissful, dignified and secure existence. Having a single world government body is not about having a world government but on what basis is the important things to realise and understand. Multi party democratic systems is a failure in itself because it is used for dividing people instead of getting different opinions to help people unify for a set ultimate aim and objective that ensures well being of humanity as a whole.

So whatever we think and do, aims and objectives for which we do so are of real fundamental or of vital importance or significance. This is what people are not paying their attention to as they are supposed to or ought to. This has to change for the best outcome if there is any to come our way. Otherwise no matter what we think and do is not going to solve our problems but instead will keep on increasing them.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The quran is such a book of knowledge that takes humanity on a journey of discovery therefore to look at it as if people already know it is a very wrong way of looking at it. This is why before we could believe anything as the actual quranic teaching for sure, we need to decode it properly in light of real world realities according rules already explained in detail. This is why all baseless beliefs and useless practices of mullaans are nothing but nonsense which cause thinking people to raise numberless objections against the quran. This is why mullaans' nonsense interpretations of the quran are a crime against God and humanity because those serious mistakes stop thinking people from accepting the quran as the word of God due to interpretational mistakes in their interpretations.

The other problem with such belief based interpretations of the quran is that they stop people from thinking and saying anything new about the information in the quran and so the quran becomes an irrelevant book. So when people ask each other what is new in the quran, baseless beliefs stop people from saying anything because it will have to contradict the mullaan based beliefs. So mullaans have created a catch 22 situation for muslims and nonmuslims alike when it comes to the quran and its proper interpretation. This is how we have turned the book that is supposed to take us on a journey of discovery in to a useless book that should be ignored instead of being studied.

Mullaans and their followers are so senseless that they do not realise what they are doing to the message in the quran and therefore to the muslim ummah and the rest of humanity. Mullaans want people to believe in all kinds of nonsense. For example, according to mullaans people must believe in a God who wants to be worshiped by people by force or he will put them in hell. A God who sends punishment for people if they refuse to believe in him etc etc. All because they believe God has created mankind for putting them through a test which is about whether people will believe and worship God or not. If they will he will put them in paradise as reward otherwise he will throw them in hell for ever etc etc. Not only that they must also believe in supernatural kind of miracles and magic etc which contradict permanent laws of nature. They want people to believe in special kinds of supernatural beings or creatures that are said to be invisible such as angels. demons and spirits etc etc. They do not realise that God has created this universe as a physical phenomenon in which all things from the smallest to the largest are physical or are made of matter and matter is merely frozen energy which keeps converting back and forth ie energy becomes matter and matter become energy ie photons to quarks to subatomic particles to atoms to molecules to element or compounds etc etc.

It should be very clear to understand the fact that God has created all things from things that is why we see smaller things joining or coming together to make bigger things. All things God has made are material things from the very smallest to the very largest. We ourselves do the same ie we make bricks from tiny particles of dust by bringing them together and with bricks we make huge buildings and then we demolish huge buildings back into the tiny little or minute particles of dust.

Just because something is invisible to human beings for one reason or another, it does not mean the invisible thing is not made of matter or is something supernatural. There could be many reasons why we human beings cannot see those things we call invisible things. For example:

1)Things are too small for us to see like atoms or subatomic particles etc. This means we need to figure out a way whereby we could make small things look big enough for range of our eyes to be able to see them.

2)Things are too far away from us to see. This means we need to figure out how to make them look nearer to us so that we could see them.

3)Thing are in the darkness where there is no light. This means we need to have light to be able to see them.

4)Things are far too close or far to near to our eyes due to which they become out of focal range of our eyes.

5)Things are far too bright for us to see them.

6)Things are far too big for our eyes to see them.

7)Things moving about much faster than the speed our eyes could catch them.

8)Things that move far too slowly than our eyes could catch them moving.

9)Things that are not in front of our eyes are also invisible to us because they are behind our backs.

10)Things inside or behind other things through which our eyes cannot see.

11)Things which blend in with the background ie camouflage

This means unless there is a good reason for something that is physical and yet invisible, such invisible things do not exist which are in minds of people as their imaginations to which they have attached far too many foolish stories.

This shows such people have been translating or interpreting the quranic text who had little or no knowledge about the natural world realities. This is why they ended up with translations and interpretations of the quran which are full of contradictions within the quran as well as with respect to self evident facts in the real world realities. This way of translating or interpreting the quran has to be stopped because it is utterly wrong.

What is going to happen when we are going to stop interpreting the quran the wrong way? This is going to create a gap for a while the while people try to learn the new fact based way of interpreting the quran.

First people need to create a proper dictionary of words used in the quran to help us human beings decode message of God properly. Why we need such a dictionary has been explained by me already in detail. It is because there is a gap between use of language by God for human beings and use of language by people between themselves. Once we have such a dictionary then because we will know many possible meanings of words which are not found in the dictionaries that are written by humans for humans for interaction between humans themselves only.

Once we have such a dictionary then our next problem is to try to interpret the quranic text in its own proper context in light of purpose of its revelation as well as in light of real world realities. This too is not going to be easy. It is particularly going to be a huge problem for ummah because it has been enslaved by mullaans for centuries.

Think about what mullaan have done with history of humanity. They have concocted many baseless imaginary stories that have nothing at all to with actual reality of things ie the way this world is or the way it works. Here and there they have attributed things to miracles or miraculous events etc etc. Likewise they interpreted words like malaaikah or jaann in a very imaginative way as if the quranic message is just a fiction like mythology found in greek and hindu etc books. This is how all religious people have been copying things from each other to confuse humanity and to keep it confused. So time for people to learn things properly by themselves to get out of this down hill spiral that has been ruining humanity for such a long time.

If I say mullaans believe God is a tyrant and to act out his tyranny he has created mankind to test them and to punish them terribly forever if they fail their test, could any mullaan or mullaan slave prove me wrong? No, not ever. This is what mullaan interpretation of the quran means if we connect the dots. So people should use their own minds and not believe nonsense of mullaans or they are doomed by their own choices so they will remain in terrible painful suffering by hands of each other for as long as they will continue on this horrible path ie the mullaan islam. Actual islam is deen not mazhab. Deen of islam is a way of life that leads humanity to fulfilment of purpose for which God has created humanity for it is not a way of pooja paat.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
As I have explained already I have problems with understanding of things by almost everyone. It is because to me their explanations about things seem to be lacking rational consistency.

Take for example, origin of existence. We are told that things popped into existence out of absolute nothing. This clearly contradicts the idea of energy being uncreated and cannot be destroyed. This means energy is ever exiting. If this is the case then the problem is, whatever is ever existing cannot change its own nature of being or it cannot be called ever existing. I mean one day something is a chicken and the next day a horse and another day a stone. It is because whatever is there in the beginning has to remain the very same in its nature of existence for ever and ever or it cannot be called ever existing if it keeps changing along the way. Energy we are told changes its shapes and forms all the time, so how can it be ever existing?

Nothing (ie zero) is defined as having certain properties and ultimately those properties bring about all that exists. We call nothing or zero by that name because we define it for our purposes eg when we are using numbers for calculations or computing we need to add a symbol for nothing as a place holder. It does not mean nothing is something in any other context. Symbols themselves are not the things they are used for. Symbols are just symbols and nothing more which help us work things out otherwise we cannot even talk about things let alone explain them for each other. This is part of human language to use words or gestures etc for ideas or thoughts otherwise we cannot even express ourselves properly. I have explained all this already in detail.

The simple rational fact is, if we accept there was absolutely nothing at all in the beginning then there could not come about anything at all. This is why nothing means nothing. To try to create something out of absolute nothingness is simply put nonsense because it makes absolutely no sense and it cannot make any sense ever.

Similarly the idea of first cause is also nonsense when people try to tell us that the first cause has to be the simplest possible thing. God is a far too complex idea to take for a creator they say but when we try to get into nitty-gritty of the idea of simplest possible first cause it too makes no sense. It is because the same question pops up again and again as to where did the first cause come from or what gave rise to first cause? One should be able to see that when we try to see what properties the first cause ought to have before it could give rise to whatever exists we end up with same attributes of first cause with which we qualify God. Therefore this idea of first cause being simple makes no sense at all.

The idea of multiverse is also nothing more than nonsense of twisted minds who are allergic to idea of God and revelation. It is because ultimately we end up with very same question ie who or what initiated multiverses? These people who are wasting their lives on feeding to each other nonsense why don't they put same amount of time and effort into proper study of the quran? People even before thinking say, the quran is nothing but utter nonsense.

Think about it, the quran has been there for last 1500 years and we are 8 billion people on the face of the earth today. How many people have thought out of this much human population to write books like the quran. None, why they did not? Why muhammad was the only person who ever came to humanity with a book like the quran. The quran if it could give people what they needed or wanted then why no one else wrote such a book ever again? If muhammad wanted to fool humanity then so could others by writing even better books for this purpose than the quran but they did not. This is why the quran cannot be dismissed as a nonsense. This is why it deserve proper study by humanity.

The question that who created God is nonsense question. People are missing the point I am making. I am saying that any being that is said to be ever existing, for it to qualify as such, must remain the very same through and through otherwise if it changes its nature with time then it does not and cannot qualify as ever existing.

The universe is not ever exiting because we can clearly see it changing in its nature with time. We can say this universe was not there 15 billion years ago with reasonable certainty but it is here today. Not only that but it also went through many phases to be what it is today since its origin.

As for the question about who created God, God is not a created being to begin with because whatever is created, it is a created being and not a God. It is a wrong question to ask. The very reason for which we ask the question as to where things have come from is because we see them coming from each other. However when we reach the end of chain of cause and effect then we are stuck because we are here already and we could not be here all by ourselves. So we assume a creator who himself is uncreated. To take this further we bring in concept of revelation to support this assumption or claim.

This is why the scripture becomes an utmost important thing and this is why its proper interpretation also becomes absolutely necessary. Dismissing all this means means living and dying in utter confusion for humanity. It is because then humanity is shutting all doors for reaching the truth and living a purposeful life. This is why no sensible person can ever claim nonexistence of God and his revelation because doing so is impossible to prove. While on the other hand it is possible to prove existence of God through rational arguments using the creation of God and the revelation of God as evidences.

God has two types of attributes a)which describe nature of God and b) which describe capabilities of God. Likewise the quran is word of God because the information given in it comes from God but the book we have is man made. Let me try and explain it in a bit of detail. You see, when we talk to each other using a phone, the voices we hear are not our own voices rather they are electronically created voices by way of microphones and speakers using electronic circuits called amplifiers. However the information is our own and not generated by electronic circuits. They are simply put a medium for transmission of information. Likewise God used mediums to convey his messages to humanity. This is how the quran is word of God in one sense but human work in the other sense.

Some people also say people who believe in only one God are also wrong because they do not believe in millions of others Gods that other people believe in. This way of looking at things is very wrong because if most people accept or believe in wrong ideas due to not looking at the required evidences properly that does not mean that all people should accept or believe in wrong ideas. Concepts should be judged individually by people to see upon what evidences they are based and if they are based upon reasonable evidences then they should be accepted otherwise rejected. The God who speaks in the quran provides sufficient evidences to prove his existence and if people will truly understand the quran it will lead them to a life they cannot even imagine. So humanity has a win win situation by understanding, accepting and abiding by actual message in the quran properly otherwise no matter what, humanity is in a terrible loss and it will remain so as it has been till it sees and accepts and adopts the truth the quran speaks. Just read surah alasr 103.

Why people are justifying their staying away from the proper study of the quran merely on basis of mullaan nonsense? We know for sure that mullaans were and still are front men of rulers and money lenders. None can prove these like people good human beings at all. It is because these people are predators and hunters of humanity and that is what they are doing right now before our own very eyes. This is why none can justify what philosophers and scientist and mullaan or rules and money lenders are doing to the human world.

How people can organise and regulate themselves and for what end is very easy to decide in light of the quran. Why don't people ask themselves such questions? All people need to do is bring about a constitution and its laws based upon the quranic guidelines and see what happens in the human world.

The quran talks about change of QIBLAH, does anyone know what is a qiblah? The quran tells us God does not change condition of a people unless they change themselves, what does it mean in the proper context of the quranic text? Here God is talking about two ways of life people can choose to live by ie one way could lead them to their unity therefore to peace between themselves as a brotherhood of humanity and because they are all united and at peace with one another they can go full speed ahead for their progress whereby they could end up prosperous as a proper human community in the kingdom of one true God, The other way of life is what some people invent and impose it upon others for their personal gains at their expense. This leads mankind to disunity or rifts or conflicts through disputes or differences therefore all kinds of fights and wars. This is why humanity ends up in a state or condition that we see it in right now before our very eyes unless we are blind both mentally and physically.

This is what qiblah is all about ie choosing right aim and objective for a constitution so that we end up in the right place or arrive at the right destination. It is not about a small cubical building called kaba in makkah saudi arabia. Such are false interpretations of the quranic text by mullaans. This is why if people want a life of paradise in this very world then they must try and understand the quranic text in its own proper context which is, the quran is a book of guidelines for a proper islamic constitution and its laws as I have clearly explained already. This is actual shariah of deen of islam. Not mullaan stupidity which ignorant masses follow blindly and call it shariah law.

Look at surah 114 ie annaas the very last surah of the quran. Here God is telling his messenger to tell to mankind to seek refuge in God. The question is, what is refuge and from what and why or how? How can God take care of people? Simply through giving them a way of life to live by whereby people do not do wrongs to each other. Not only that but also they must not leave any stone unturned in doing all that is good for ensuring well being of each other for sake of God to the best of their God given abilities. God also talks about people who will conspire against all this so people of God must remain alert and aware so that they are not taken by surprise by their opponents. So the quran is not an old rubbish book but the book for the best possible future of humanity.

Look at surah alkausar ie 108. God is saying he has given to humanity all that is good ie an ocean or sea of goodness through his revealed messages. In short there is nothing good that could come from God for humanity but it is part of his revealed messages throughout times and places. So individuals are told to work hard for unity of mankind under this aim and objective and be ready to make needed sacrifices in this cause. Then it is told that those who will oppose this way of life will perish and they have been perishing always and the same is true and before our very eyes. Look at what mullaans have made of this surah. This should open eyes of those who condemn the quran for foolishness of mullaans as well as their own foolishness for failing to think at a higher level.

Look at surah allahab 111. This has nothing at all to do with uncle of the messenger of God and his wife. It is talking about all such leaders of nations or communities who live by a way of life that is wrong whereby they lead their people into life of hell instead of life in a paradise that is created by people themselves according to a society building plan given to them by God. This is what the quran is about ie a proper human community building plan from God. You can never build a proper human community by uttering words like there is only one deity for worship or pooja paat or by waving your behinds in the air and rubbing your noses on the ground or by staying hungry and thirsty or by paying 2.5% of your wealth once in a year or by visiting a cube in makkah once in a life time. These are clear falsehoods attributed to message of God by low lives in human world.

What is surah 110 annasar about? Here again God is saying whenever his help comes and opens the way for mankind, you will see people entering way of life called deen of islam in huge numbers or multitudes. How does God help? By revealing to mankind how to live properly in this world. Then it is up to people to struggle and strive for that kind of life in this world and accomplish it for themselves. God only shows the way and to walk upon that way is up to people themselves. So when you people see the way and people start joining it then work harder to organise and regulate them into a proper human community. It is one thing to learn the message of God properly for oneself and another thing to pass it on properly to others. Only when these two things are done properly that people will come together as a proper human community and then a kingdom will come about in kingdom of God based upon proper guidance of God. All these very clear messages have been misinterpreted by ignorant mullaans to mislead mankind. This is why mullaans are condemned as shaitaans by the quran. People are warned by the quran to stay clear of mullaans. If people will start understanding the quran in its proper context their perception about the quran will definitely change for the best.

Here is how people can organise and regulate themselves properly as a proper human community in the kingdom of God. If people look at our world, it is full of all kinds of resources for the good of humanity to ensure its well being for sake of God. All people need to do is organise and regulate themselves to benefit from all this properly as a proper human family. We do not need to exploit or manipulate or use each other abusively to achieve this goal. This is why we human beings do not need any kinds of tricks and mechanism for exploiting or manipulating or abusively using each other. Organising and regulating simply means knowing tasks needs to be carried out and dividing them between ourselves and then carrying them out as a proper human family for sake of God. We still need to do what we are already doing but for a different end which kicks out the idea of exploitation or manipulation or abusive use of each other by each other for our personal gains at each other's expense.

Deen of islam is all about a complimentary human society where in people join each other for sake of God and do all that is needed done for ensuring well being of all. It is not a utopia but a pragmatic things ie practically possible thing to do for humanity. All we need for doing that is sensible people not stupid people who do not know nor learn sense of how to make proper sense of things.

People get a huge fright when we talk about a single world government, why? Because they are frightened of what is going on in the world in each of the countries in the world. What they fail to realise is the fact that those governments are just controlling freaks because they have no properly educated people therefore they have no proper constitutions and laws so the end result is the kind of governments we have. If we have a properly educated people who bring about a proper constitution with proper laws then the whole perspective changes. Deen of islam is not at all about some people controlling others on willy-nilly grounds through exploitative or manipulative or abusive constitutions and their laws rather it is about all people serving God as his workers according to the best of their God given abilities to ensure well being of all human beings as much as it is humanly possible for mankind. So it is very clear that deen of islam is most superior way of life and humanity has yet to discover it because it has been buried under a lot of rubbish that has been thrown at it by mullaans on behest of rulers and money lenders for fooling ignorant masses. They have no idea who is their true friend with proper knowledge of things and who is their true enemy due to his stupidity and stubbornness.

This is why when all people can fit in with each other excellently as a proper human family and none can be exploited or manipulated or abused by any one else then none can be allowed to disturb that equilibrium or the whole thing can fall apart which can ruin many lives as the case is in front of our own very eyes right now. Deen of slam teaches all to be on the very same page and not to try to dominate each other by undermining each other for personal gains at each other's expense. Deen of islam teaches positive competition between people whereby each person ought to try to do better than what someone else has done for the betterment of the proper human community. It bans negative competition or rivalries whereby people try to dominate each other by undermining each other for their personal gains at the expense of each other whereby they end up as enemies of each other as we are seeing throughout the human world.

You will see youtube is full of videos whereby mullaans are busy trying to justify their islam such as islam is very good for women. How can it be if it has not done any good for its people for centuries and this includes both men and women? if men have been abused then what chance is there for women to not to be abused? Look at what is happening to muslim children all over the islamic world. Religious muslims take their children as their personal properties just like everything else and that is how they use and treat them. If anything they are worst than secularists because they do so in the very name of one true God. Had they taken children as gifts from God for the good of humanity then they will have raised them as soldiers of God who will have worked for the good of mankind by ensuring well being of mankind. Look at any religious population anywhere in the world they are all the same. Having no sense of making proper sense of things. This is why hindus are abusing and killing hindus and same is true about parsis, jews, christian, muslims or sikhs etc etc. The very same is true about all secularists everywhere in the world. We can see how capitalists and communists are at each other's throats. Each person is competing against all others for one's personal gains at their expense. So it is not very difficult to see how stupid people think they are very clever.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Actual deen of islam is mainly about politics and economics. What people call islam has nothing at all to with deen of islam.

Can any one here tell me what is the ultimate objective of islam for humanity in this world? I don't think so. Can anyone tell me how that objective is supposed to be achieved by followers of deen of islam?

It is huge a failure on part of humanity regarding proper understanding of the message of God. The result an endless painful suffering of billions of people all over the world over a very long period of time.

As I have clearly explained already deen of islam has nothing at all to do with what muslims and nonmuslim make of it. It is a completely different thing from all versions of religion and secularism.

God has created this world and people in it for his own purpose and to fulfil that purpose God has given people all they needed to fulfil it. So people do not need anything more from God to do their God assigned job or to fulfil their God assigned mission or purpose.

From where does this purpose of God come? From the fact that God chose to express himself. Because God decided to express himself he chose two ways to act so that he could express himself. These two ways were creation and revelation.

Since God chose to express himself he had to create a creature called human being who could appreciate God freely and this is why he gave humanity free will to do so freely and caused him to be born knowing nothing at all for true appreciation. Had God not created humanity or the way he has then purpose of God for creating things could not be fulfilled.

God is all good so he could not do anything bad to any one. It is because he tells us in the quran all his attributes are beautiful. The quran starts with AOOZUBILLAH and BISMILLAH. This way it tells human beings to leave all their nonsensical imaginative ideas about God aside when they study his message to get the ideas from it as to what God is and what his purpose of creation is and how that purpose human beings can fulfil. It then tells people God is worthy of being valued greatly because he has given by way of this quran a plan to humanity for building the best possible human world through full help and support of each other by using the God provided things for this purpose. This is mission assigned by God to humanity according to the quran.

Has humanity taken deen of islam as a mission? No. How could it if it has utterly ignored the quran instead of studying it properly? To fulfil a mission people need to study what the mission is. Why? So that they could come to know what the mission is and whether it is a worthy mission or not. Why should people take on a mission or cause that is worthless? But if the mission is a worthy cause or mission then just knowing the mission is not enough but knowing how it can be properly fulfilled is also vitally important so that people who like this mission could properly prepare themselves for carrying it out or do something for fulfilling it.

This is what real deen of islam is all about. The quran has all the answers for all the purposeful questions of whole of humanity. However people are wasting their time in asking useless questions and getting useless answers from each other instead of putting their own efforts into proper study of the quran.

The program God has given to humanity is all about building a great human community in the kingdom of God ie in this very universe.

As I have explained already in detail, religion and secularism can never build the kind of human world the quran wants humanity to build for themselves. Why not? Because religion is all about worshiping God by words alone and that kind of work does not put food on the table let alone anything else. In fact if anything it wastes time and energy of people without any return in this world which people most desperately need to continue life. Who can live without food and water and other necessities of life? None. Can anyone see God directly fulfilling needs of people in this world? No. So God must have designed this world to work in a different way than priestly classes have been teaching us or have been telling us and we all followed them blindly. So the real question to ask is, how God has designed this world so that we humans could become free of all problems that face us which are mostly our own creation through mismanagement of God provided things? This is where the quran becomes very relevant because it has the answers for such like questions.

The quran does not tell people God provides but that God has already provided people with all they needed free of charge for creating themselves a world like paradise. All people need to do is organise and regulate themselves as a proper human community in the kingdom of God and do all that needs to be done with full help and support of each other and all problems of humanity in this world will come to an end. For so long as people will keep on ignoring message of God and try to do their own things their own ways humanity will keep on failing itself and will keep on getting into troubles with each other and therefore it will keep on suffering terribly as a result.

God is not saying any where in the quran that you the people pray to me for things and I will give them to you. Then why people pray to God for things when God has told them the way to get things they need or want or desire? This is how religions fail humanity because they have been created by priestly classes to fool people through instilling in their minds false beliefs and practices. All priests of all religions are bunch of liars who lie on behalf of ruling and money lending classes to keep people off their backs and that is why people have not risen against those who are responsible for their painful suffering. You will not find even a single priest or mullaan who understands concept of God any other way. All priest or mullaans of all religions attribute lies to the quran as well as their own holy books and most of all they attribute loads of lies to God. This is why all scriptures themselves condemn priests and mullaans then why people still follow them?

Just as all versions of religion are false so are false all versions of secularism. All politicians lie all the time. Why? Because all versions of secularism are based upon negative competition. Each person is fighting against all the rest all the time to try to get on the top and so in this struggle many perish in a terrible way without a clue what they were actually fighting for at the end of the day. The real question therefore to ask is, can such people with such mindsets, attitudes and behaviours ever put human world on the right path? No, they cannot. To take humanity in the right direction we all need to change our way of looking at things. Instead of negative competition we need to start competing positively ie instead of undermining each other at each and every opportunity we must do our best for each other just for sake of God instead of looking for what is in it for me. It is this mentality that has ruined people in the first place.

Yet people fight to keep God out of politics and economics when taking God out of this equation has already led to where we are now. Truly beneficial knowledge is what we need know but how we come to know things is also vitally important. For example, if we only have light but no eyes to see then light is useless for us. Even if we have light and eyes to see but nothing there to see then again light and eyes become useless. If we have light, eyes and things to see but no ability to make sense of things again everything ends up useless. Even if we have light, eyes, things to see, ability to make sense of thing but have no sense of purpose behind all this then we still end up
as dumb as we were at the beginning of learning about something. Just having the quran is therefore not enough to have knowledge because in learning knowledge whatever is necessary must be there so that we could have true knowledge about things.

This is why humanity first must have proper knowledge of all things necessary for creating a paradise in this universe and then it must take it as a mission to accomplish this project. That is the way to go if people wish to have a great life in this world and be rewarded for doing so in hereafter otherwise they are doomed for as long as they continue the way they have been going about things. if we will continue going about things the wrong way then expecting any good outcome is nothing more than our foolishness.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Is the quran we have today original? Yes, the quran we have today is original. How do we know? We know because we have many copies of the quran around the world from different times and places and many people who have committed the quran to their memories. They are all very same except for copying or printing or book binding errors. There is no evidence at all of any deliberately made changes in the text of the quran to pervert its actual message to serve some other purpose that is opposite of the actual quranic message. However things need to be looked at in their proper context and the context is the universal realities as we observe them and the revelation of God. Without making proper sense of these two we cannot really claim we understand anything at all as it ought to be understood. We human beings as individuals must do our best to try to make proper sense of the universe as well as the revelation of God by figuring out all the elements or components involved in their detail. That is we need to figure out the universe as a unit and its individual things as well as the quran as a unit with meanings of its components ie its letters, words, phrases, sentences and surahs. So before going into the detail of how the quran proves to be preserved properly I need to explain why we human beings need the quran to begin with.

We cannot get anywhere with things just by looking at them and doing nothing much other than living our lives like rest of the animals. It is a very sad situation that the world is full of human beings but most of them just live their lives like rest of the animals or we force each other into living like animals. We cannot change this unless we decide to make each and every member of our human family a very useful person even if it means using incentives and if that does not work then using force to put each other on the right track. Letting individuals waste their lives is our terrible loss which is costing us all dearly in form of our terrible painful suffering by hands of each other. Education is two things, 1)the understanding of the universal realities because without having this sense we are nowhere because this is our starting point. Unless we discover things for ourselves we cannot know anything about them so we cannot use them as we should, 2)the revelation of God because without having proper understanding of it we cannot have a proper moral foundation.

Just by knowing about the universe we can only learn things about things but not their proper use. For example, we can clearly see we do not trust one another at all. Due to lack of trust we try to hide things from each other for fear of their loss. This leads us to invent newer and newer ways of saving our things from each other so that we are not robbed or dispossessed by each other or that our things are not stolen by each other. This fear can never go away till we create a human society in which we learn to trust each other fully. Just by our inventions of better and better locks and keys we cannot teach people to trust each other but if anything we are teaching each other how not to trust one another. This means we are living our lives the very wrong way and this wrong way of living is ruining us and forcing us to waste our lives on wrong kind of education. Due to this way of life we are always watching our own backs fearing that any one of us can back stab us at any time. This is where our so far adopted education system has led us. We have invented best medicines but people are always dying after terrible painful suffering worldwide because we have adopted a way of living our lives whereby all this does not bother us because we are keeping our things locked away out of reach of many. This being the case, can any of us claim to be a civilised person or a civilised human society? No, not at all. This clearly shows how we try our best to pretend we are civilised good people when the reality of the human world we have created or brought about is staring us in the face and calling us liars.

All this because we have ignored the right way of living our lives in this world. That right way of life is told only and only by our creator in his message which he gave us to be proper human beings so that then we could bring about a human world that reflects life of paradise in this world. Let us ask ourselves some questions to help us understand why we humans need guidance of God to live in this world properly. If we read the quran, we are repeatedly told all things belong to God. This means nothing at all belongs to anyone else. If nothing belongs to anyone else then who has any right to have anything at all? None. In fact we human beings ourselves are made by God therefore we ourselves do not own ourselves let alone anything else in this world. This being the case who can tell us who brought us about and why or why we have what we have? Only and only our creator. This is why learning the message of our creator is of utmost important for us so that we get the full picture as to what is going on and where do we fit in with all this. God has given us his message to tell us all what is vitally important for us to know to have a great life in this universe as a proper human community in his kingdom. Moreover he has given us the whole of universe to make best use of all that he has given us in there.

We have heard people saying to each other don't play God. The quran tells people that God has created people to play God ie deconstruct what God has made and reconstruct it the way it benefits humanity the best. This is why we use God provided things as raw materials to make things from that which we find useful for ourselves. Humans do play God the wrong way as well ie they try to control each other for their personal gains at each other's expense and that is where playing God is not allowed by God. This is why it is called SHIRK or polytheism. It is not that people actually become Gods but that they are not allowed to make decisions against God's decisions and act upon them and thereby cause problems for each other. It is because you can only live by your own way of life or by way of life that God has advised for humanity. Living by way of life advised by God is about using God provided things the way God has advised and not misusing them or mismanaging them. By using God provided things God's way people can add value to things whereby they appreciate things in their value or worth in their own eyes as well as fulfil the purpose of God but by misusing them they devalues God provided things in the eyes of humanity as well as God. So one can see how vitally important it is for humanity to live by way of life advised by God and not to deliberately live by way of life one chooses for oneself or one will end up causing all sorts of troubles, not only for others but for oneself as well because what goes round comes round. This is why if anyone claims to be a civilised person or society one has to be judged by this criterion alone. Guidance of God must be appreciated because God made the world and he knows each and everything thing about it in all its possible detail so who can be better than God in advising us as to how people can fit in with this world the best. This is why the quran challenges mankind to bring a better book than the quran if you are in any doubt about it ie bring a book which tells you a better way of life than the one told by the quran. People don't yet know what kind of way of life the quran teaches then how can they bring a better one? The first thing one needs to know about something is, what it is and only then there is a chance of bringing something better. So if the quran is not even understood properly by humanity so far then how can it bring anything like it till it does? We have invented so many kinds of dangerous weapons to harm or destroy each other yet we have not used our brains to make proper sense of what is of utmost importance, that is how clever we are as a specie.

Anyway before I explain the issue of originality of the quran we need to become aware of some points which are often neglected or not given attention they deserve and as a result we end up confusing ourselves instead of understanding the issues or points. When we talk about God, people and rest of things, it is vitally important for a person to realise that each and every existing being has to play its own part or role including God in this grand scheme of things. Likewise when it comes to revelation of God, God plays his role and people play their roles so the end result is what we have. We know God is free of making errors or mistakes but human beings are human beings so they are not necessarily free of making human error in their thoughts or actions.

From God's point of view the quran can never have any errors at all because God does not make mistakes but from human beings' points of views the quran cannot be necessarily error free because humans are prone to making human errors. The proof is simple, ask a person who knows the quran by heart to read it and listen to it and soon you will come to know that the person does get stuck here and there. However when one makes a mistake if there is another person there as well who has also committed the quran to his memory then he will correct him. Likewise whenever we write down things we do end up making mistakes but when we reread things or ask someone else to read what we have written the mistakes we make are caught and if need be they are corrected. So just as people make errors so people can detect those errors and not only detect them but if they so choose they can also correct them. All correctable errors therefore can be ignored as errors or mistakes. This is why as far as practicality or pragmatism is concerned there are no errors in the quran at all because they can be detected and corrected if humanity so decides. When God says he will preserve the quran this is what it means because it cannot be any other way. No human is free of possibility of making human errors because our whole life is based upon idea of learning by trial and error method. Just bring to your mind when you were just a baby or watch any other baby growing and soon you will come to know how many mistakes we humans make and repeatedly till we become learned and wise. So as we grow we do overcome a lot of mistakes or in other words we grow out of those mistakes.

Let us now look at the quranic copies that we have around the world in a bit of detail to see how the existing copies of the quran prove to us human beings that the quran we have today is original and all claims by ignorant people that the quran has been changed are false.

Regardless let us first look at the way the quran was written down in ancient format of writing. If one gathers ancient copies of the quran that still exist today around the world, one will see in them a special way of writing the quranic text. For example, in those copies we will see that they do not have short or very long vowel marks as well as various other marks. Such as are called tashdeed, madda, jazm, damma, kasra or fatha etc etc in arabic. They also have no dots in them to distinguish some alike shaped letters from each other. One can clearly see that BAA, TAA, SAA etc use exactly the same shape of a letter. Likewise JEEM, HAA and KHAA use the very same letter shape, DAAL and ZAAL, RAA and ZAA, SEEN and SHEEN, SWAAD and DWAAD, TWAA and ZWAA, AIN and GHAIN, FAA and QAAF are written using the very same shape. This is most important point to note. The question one has to ask oneself is, is it possible for any person at all to read such a text that is written down this way unless one already knows the actual message in this kind of text format? My answer is, no, it cannot be read no matter how hard one tries unless one is already very much familiar with the message in the text.

What does this prove beyond a shadow of doubt? It proves the quran we have today in its written form has come from the original source ie directly from the final messenger of God. Not only that it also proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the quran we have today was transmitted by the final messenger of God in two completely independent ways or channels. a) through memory ie people had committed the quran to their memories directly from the final messenger of God and b)through writing and again directly from the final messenger of God.

The vitally important points in this regard for people to understand are:-

The way the quran was written down could not be read unless the quranic text was fully memorised by people. If anyone thinks it could be read then go ahead and try it yourself in your very own mother tongue. Ask someone to write something down for you in that format without telling you what one is writing and then you try and read it yourself. You will soon find out that you cannot make any head or tail of such a text in its written format.

But how does this prove the quran we have today is original? It is because the quranic text we find in the existing copies of the quran proves, it could not have been written down by people from their own memories alone as individuals. Not only that but one can try and do so oneself and one will fail badly even today. So the claim by muslims that they can recreate the quranic text merely from their memories if all written copied of the quran somehow became destroyed is false. Why? Because there are some particular problems which people face when someone dictates the quranic text from one's memory for others to write it down. The question is what are those problems?
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is continuation of the last post.

Those problems are different ways of writing a particular piece of quranic information. For example, if I tell a group of people in a place to write a number eg three. Will the person write 3 as a digit or as a word three? You will agree that some could write 3 as a digit and others could write three as a word. If the quran was copied the same way from dictation by someone from one's memory then people could write it down in different ways. Likewise if I told a person to write ALAF then one could end up writing letter alaf or word alaf or number one because alaf also has an alphanumerical value, which is one or1. In the quran we have many surahs which contain some letters in their beginnings eg surah 2 al baqarah starts with ALAF, LAAM and MEEM letters. So if a group of people was told to write down alaf, laam, meem then what do you think people will write down? Letters alaf, laam and meem or words alaf laam meem? Then in arabic language we have some words that can be written with different spellings or letters eg word SIRAAT can be written either by using letter SEEN or SWAAD. So if a group of people were told to write word SIRAAT what do you think people will write down? SIRAAT with letter SEEN or siraat with letter SWAAD? The same is true in case of words BASTATUN or MUSAITIR etc ie they too can be written using either letter seen or swaad. You will be forced by reason to agree that some could write down word siraat with letter seen and others with letter swaad. It is just as we write an english word REALISE with letters S or Z ie REALIZE. Not only this but there are borrowed words in each and every human language from other languages which can be written down in different ways eg see in english in how many different ways people spell word MUHAMMAD or QURAAN ie they write it as mohammed or mohamed and so on and so forth or QURAN or KORAN etc etc.

Can you therefore see the problems when people have to read a text from an awkward way of writing without having it in their memories? Likewise can you see the problems if a group of people is told to write some information down from their memories? This will create a lot of variations or differences between people whether they memorise some information or write it down unless they memorised it and wrote it down exactly the same way right from the very beginning or original source. This is how the quran proves to be preserved perfectly beyond a shadow of doubt.

Now the big question, in the existing copies of quran worldwide which are from different times, do we find any such fatal differences at all? The answer is no, none at all. They are all exactly the same anyone can check them any where in the world. This is impossible to happen unless all copies of the quran were copied from the copies exactly the same way. This explanation proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the quran we have today is exactly the same. This claim can also be verified by looking at the quranic text in written form and reading it out from one's memory. Despite coming down to us in two completely independent ways or channels the over all quranic information remains exactly the same. A clear proof that the quran we have today has been preserved perfectly except for some copying errors by the copiers of the quran or printing errors by the printers of the quran or book binding errors by those who bound the printed pages of the quran in the book form the wrong way.

This proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the claims made by ignorant muslims and nonmuslinms about the changed quran are utterly false. Muslims have been spreading false information about the quran in order to defend confusing reports in the hadith books and nonmuslims have been using the same reports to discredit the final messenger of God, the quran and deen of islam etc.

Before I move onto errors in the copies of the quran around the world, it should be born in minds of people that God works with his creatures in the world he has created. This is why when God plays his part in wider scheme of things he makes no mistakes but his human creatures have no immunity against making unintentional mistakes called human errors. Even though God revealed his message to his final messenger in the form of the quran and his messenger preserved it perfectly in form of a memorised information as well as in form of a written information and passed it on through his supporters generation after generation his supporters did make copying errors during this transmission process. However as it is possible for human beings to make unintentional errors so it is possible for them to detect those errors and if they choose they can correct them as well therefore actual message of God does not suffer in such a way that it could be invalidated or discredited.

It is a fact that the quranic copies that still exist worldwide contain scribal, printing and book binding etc errors. Such copies always existed and they are nothing new but it is time that I explained what are the features or characteristics or properties of these kinds of errors or why or how they occurred, remained and continued increasing till better ways came about to minimise such errors. They will become eliminated once muslims become an ummah again.

These errors or mistakes occur when a person is copying a text from another copy of a written text. It is possible that a person puts extra letters or words or phrases in the text of the copy one is making or preparing. One can also omit letters or words or phrases and even sentences or paragraphs or pages by looking at one copy and turning the pages of the other copy from which one is copying. One may end up copying a letter or word or sentence or even a page more than once. Likewise when one is binding pages of a written text in form of a book, one may end up missing some pages or putting extra pages or one may end up putting the pages in wrong order or upside down. It is because human mind does not remain fully attentive at all times when one is doing something continuously. This is how human errors occur or take place and are found in almost each and every copy of the quran. In the printed copies printing related errors occur eg misprints are found in copies.

The good thing is such error are always detectable and are detected by people who read the quran from those copies and inform the publishers or printers or scribes of the copies. These errors are detectable because of their fixed characteristics. Such errors are also correctable because they are clearly obvious. It is because if any letters are added to words or are omitted from the words then words cannot be read correctly as words. Likewise additions and omissions or disordering of words in sentences makes sentences senseless and if any pages are missed then continuity of the text becomes disturbed. So just as preventing human errors is not possible for human beings so human beings are good at detecting human errors. It is then up to people to correct these correctable errors or not to bother but make later copies better. This is what printers and publishers do ie they correct errors made in earlier copies of the books in later copies they produce of the same text.

No doubt the quran claims that the quran will remain intact but since God does things through things so where people are involved in program of God things will happen the way they should. God does not make mistakes through absent mindedness or lack of attention but people do therefore when it comes to people they can make mistakes in memorising or copying the quran but they can also detect and correct the mistakes they may make in this regard. All because only God is God and humans can only be humans at their best. Humans are not supernatural beings otherwise such errors by human beings will not have taken place at all. This is how the quran has been kept original by God and his people. These like things also expose such people who claim supernatural powers among religious folk and foolish people flock around them looking for all kinds of miraculous or magical help from them which they cannot do. If religious holy men or for that matter women had any supernatural powers will they not make sure there are no any copying errors in their holy books? What else could be more important for them than doing this? Likewise if holy people could move about freely between the heaven and the earth or controlled any supernatural hidden beings, could they not tell us how the world looked like from up from time there very long ago as scientist have discovered it today? Such claims are clearly false and only foolish people accept nonsense and take it seriously. Moreover if human beings had any superpowers they will have interpreted the book from God correctly right from the very beginning and there will not be any need for its reinterpretations all the time as humanity learns more and more sense because of making new discoveries. All this clearly shows people have been raising false claims always and that we need to become sensible enough to become aware of them and disregard them instead of being fooled by them.

Any errors in any copy are always correctable because copies with errors can be compared with each other as all copies cannot necessarily have exactly the same errors. Moreover later copies can be compared with the earlier ones if need be or vice versa. Not only that but written copies can be tested against memorised version and the memorised version can be tested against the written version. However such exercises should be carried out every now and then by people at ummah level and not at individual level. At individual level people should inform the authorities responsible for publishing of the quranic text to keep the scribal or printing errors or book binding errors to a bare minimum. Unintentional human errors in the copies of the quran make no difference to validity of the quranic text because the original message of the quran over all remains intact despite such kind of errors.

There is no proof at all in the existing copies of the quran around the world for any deliberate changes in the quranic message. All errors found in the existing copies of the quran are unintentional and not deliberate. Unintentional errors occur from human beings naturally but to make deliberate changes one has to have an agenda to make purposeful changes in a piece of information to suit one's agenda so that the agenda or purpose of the existing information could be diverted from what it is, to what serves the agenda of the person who makes deliberate changes to the information. There is no sign of such fatal changes in any existing copy of the quran around the world. A clear proof that the quran has been preserved perfectly for all practical purposes. Human errors found in the copies do not invalidate the originality of the quran as we have it.

Why errors occurred in the quranic text has been explained but how they kept increasing remains to be explained. As explained already how errors occurred in the quranic text some people have used these errors and corrections to claim variant readings of the quran which are taken by ignorant muslims and nonmuslims alike as different versions of the quran. In fact so called muslims go a step further and claim God has revealed the quran in different versions. The problem with such claims is, there is no any such proof in the quran itself that God has revealed the quran in different versions. No sensible person can expect that God will reveal a number of versions of the quran yet he will fail to mention them in the quran. Moreover what sensible purpose could those versions serve which the version we have could not? Then we are told these version could be any number of versions eg seven or ten or thirty or more. What it means is that we have only one version with us all the rest are lost. So we have lost six parts if there were seven versions or twenty-nine parts if there were thirty versions etc etc. All this means there were never any different versions of the quran to begin with. How could God ignore mentioning his revealed versions if he did reveal them? Also why God needed to reveal different or multiple versions? By looking at information which is categorised as different versions of the quran one can understand the mistake people made in their understanding of things in this regard. People who talk about different readings or different versions of the quran show they had no idea about origin and development of human language or how human errors occur in a message or how people come together and fall apart and how all this effects what kinds of changes in things. Had they understood such things clearly then they could not have called copies of the quran with errors as different versions of the quran.

Let us now try and understand some basic things in this regard. People who come together from different backgrounds or areas clearly show the problems when they try to talk to each other. For example, try and see how an arab speaks in english or try and and see how a punjabi person speaks english. It shows that people who are used to speaking their own mother tongue if they are not brought up speaking a different language then this could cause them problems when they try to speak a different language after their growing up. It takes a lot of conscious practice to change habits when such a need arises because mind and body parts become programmed. For example, if we have developed some bad habits during growing up they stay with us for lifetime. If anything needs changing it becomes a big problem. We can develop bad habits for driving the car and if we are forced to change them then we have to consciously work at them till we have replaced them. The same is the case with human languages. Ask an indian punjabi person to say word TABLE, he will say TEVAL. He will find it easier to say WAA instead of BAA. ask him to say ZERO, he will say JEERO. Likewise if we ask an arab to say pakistan, he will say bakistan. If we ask an englishman to say TEE as it is in arabic, he will say tea because there is no arabic tee sound in english language. The same is true about people who claim to speak the same language ie they have their own local meanings for certain words.

So people need to become aware of the fact that just because we give a name to a language and its people it does not mean all speakers of that same language speak exactly the same language exactly the same way or with exactly the same understanding or meanings etc etc. There occur many variations about it between the people of different areas. If we talk about letters or alphabet set of arabic, we will see people wrote letters in different ways eg different arabs wrote letter FAA differently ie some placed a dot above it and others below it. Likewise different people pronounced arabic letters differently eg ask an egyptian to say letter JEEM, he will say GEEM. He will pronounce letter J like the letter G as it sounds in word JUG. Likewise for some iraqis or kuwaitis muslims letter QAAF sounds like letter GAAF. In urdu we have both sounds. So these linguistic differences are also found in the quranic copies. Why? Because there was a time when muslims were a single community during lifetime of the final messenger of God but then after him they fell apart into rival groups so their future generations did things according to their own smaller communities as they saw fit. This is why there occurred differences between copies of the quran. These differences increased with time as people divided more and more into smaller and smaller groups. This is why these differences which are of minor nature cannot become eliminated till muslims see the need for a central authority between them for this purpose or they reunite as an ummah. Now if on this basis one claims different readings or different versions of the quran then they are as many versions of the quran as many copies of the quran there are or one can find. But as I already explained these sort of errors do not invalidate the quran because if a learned or knowledgeable muslim sits down and tries to correct all these error one can. Likewise if muslims decided to have a central authority for this task that too can carry out such a work. It is because every now and again some individuals have been writing books which contain all the needed information as to how or when certain errors occurred or why. This is why the quran remains intact for all practical purposes and if anyone claims that the quran has been changed then one is clearly lying due to one's ignorance.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Deen of islam is anti religion and anti secularism but why?

It is because religion and secularism both are man-made and deen of islam is revealed by God to replace them. As I explained already, religion and secularism are almost as old as mankind themselves because mankind were not given guidance by God till human beings could understand things and at least some were able to make proper sense of it. Early humans learned what they learned from natural world because they did not have any other source of learning. This is why they lived just like other animals but as they interacted with each other and with other things in their environment, they did learn a lot of sense but it was not enough to help them live in this world properly till God gave humanity his guidance. People did believe in a higher force or being even before God formerly introduced himself to mankind but they assumed a God who was just like their rulers who solved their problem the way it suited the rulers and not the way it suited people they ruled. The animal kingdom shows us our past very clearly and we are still like those animals even today. God sent revelation is still ignored by humanity at large for its proper understanding because rulers always interpreted the messages of God the way it suited them instead of trying to make proper sense of it. This is why due to lack of proper education humanity has been going through bloody revolutions every now and then to change things for the better. In other words people have been learning things the hard way instead of learning sense of making proper sense of things the right way. This is why despite having guidance from God and many messengers from God almost all people are still as ignorant and stupid about message of God as were the very early human beings who were given the message of God the very first time.

Messengers of God were sent by God to establish rule of law of God in this world and they succeeded in doing that but only in very limited areas and only for a short time because people turned back to their old ways of life after their God sent messengers passed away. The very same happened with the people who claim to be supporters of mission of the final messenger of God ie people who call themselves muslims. This is why even after the final messenger of God established the ummah in the kingdom of God it also fell apart not long after messenger of God because people failed to keep up with the maintenance of the ummah in the kingdom of God. This is why even though we have the quran we have no ummah but only in the name till humanity comes to its senses and learns the quran as it ought to be learned once again to reunite to regain unity, peace, progress and prosperity. This should help people understand why muslims are the way they are and this is not going to change till each and every person who claims to be a muslim starts learning the quran properly. This is why almost all people who claim to be muslims are religious muslims not actual muslims based upon the proper teachings of the quran and the reason is they do not study the quran as it ought to be studied for establishing an ummah in the kingdom of God. People who claim to be muslims are as ignorant about the message of God as any nonmuslim people. This is why muslims and nonmuslims are all living like animals in a jungle because that is how senseless people are supposed to live without proper guidance from God or without proper understanding of guidance from God. This is why the human world despite all its amazing inventions it has invented is still just like a kingdom of animals who still do not know how to live properly with one another and it will not know how to do that till it rediscovers message of God properly for itself because only and only message of God can ensure unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind in the kingdom of God and nothing else.

Why five daily prayers are wrong? It is because they are not stated in the quran. Why they are not stated in the quran? Because God did not create mankind to humiliate them just as he himself does not want to be called by bad names for he wants mutual respect between himself and mankind. Just as God wants to be appreciated by mankind so God himself appreciates mankind also. God is not a monster or tyrant or bully or a cruel and brutal oppressor of the weak. This is why the whole process of creation of God needs to be looked at in a purposeful way in its entirety. This is why God rewards all for whatever part they play in his scheme of things. This is why God does not want pooja from mankind through empty lip service and useless ritual practices which benefit neither God nor mankind. He does not want empty lip service and flattering from mankind but actual appreciation from mankind by giving them things that truly make him appreciable for mankind. I will try and explain words a bit later as to what they mean in the proper context of the quran including word SHUKR from root SHEEN, KAAF and RAA which means appreciation by means of proper use of God given things. Moreover it makes no sense the way people pray to God or say thank you God without doing the actual thing God demands ie proper use of his provided things for benefit of mankind for sake of God. God has told people what he wants of them in the quran. What God wants of people could not be known by people all by themselves unless God himself told them, this is why understanding the quran properly is absolutely necessary for mankind otherwise they can think and do all they like but it will not fulfil the purpose for which God has created and equipped mankind with all the tools and things to work with. This is why proper understanding of the quran cannot be ignored if people want to have a great life in here and in hereafter. This is why whatever people think and do in the name of God out side of the quran all by themselves is not valid at all in the eyes of God and it hardly benefits humanity itself.

So first of all let us see what so called praying to God involves. It has two parts. Part one involves praising God ie saying nice things about God to God as if to flatter God by paying lip service to God. Why I say lip service? It is because we humans do not try to learn things which could help us understand the quran properly so that we could know what God wants of us to think and do. This is why we do not do things God has told us to do and we do things which he has told us not to do. Yet we turn towards God and say things to God about God which do not mean any thing at all. Moreover God has created us to serve him by thinking and doing whatever he has asked us to think and do and not to take God as our slave or servant by asking God to do this or that and the other for us. We do this as if we are not workers or servants of God rather it is God who is our slave or servant. God has created us for serving his purpose according to his plan and not that God should serve our purposes according to our plans which we have created in our own minds independent of God. The fact is, we humans have already been given by God each and everything we will ever need for doing our job assigned to us by God. This being the case, how right could people be in saying things to God about God or for asking him for favours? This will become clearer once I have explained this issue for people to help them understand it. In a way we are turning things upside down. Such like are the reasons as to why the quranic teaching is anti religion and anti secularism.

Regardless the other part of praying to God involves asking God each and everything we want from him ie we have a very long lists of our demands to put before God. All this is useless because God has already given humanity what it needs for fulfilling purpose of God for which he has created them. It therefore makes absolutely no sense to ask God for things which we already have from God including his guidance regarding proper use of those God given things for our benefits as a proper human community in the kingdom of God. So after God has given things to us if we still do not have them then it is not because of God but because we have not learned the needed sense as to how to manage God given things properly as a proper human community in the kingdom of God so that none of us suffers and all of us have a great life in this world with full help and support of each other by ensuring well being of each other. It is human beings who make one another suffer terribly by hands of each other due to their ignorance about God assigned purpose of life. This explains why human beings cannot criticise God about things for which he is not responsible because he has made humanity itself responsible for thinking and doing things for one another for sake of God. We also need to think that by asking God for doing things for us we are treating God as if he is our servant instead of we humans being servants or workers of God. We have turned each and everything God has told us upside down by misinterpreting his message. It is because we do not look at things objectively and purposefully in their own proper context. Our fault is we are not trying to understanding the real world realities in their proper context which is to look at things in light of revelation of God.

Our idea of education is very wrong in a way because we think education is all about knowing about things as to what they are or how they work and then copy that and do the same etc etc. If I learn how to make an aeroplane it does not teach me what is actual proper use of an aeroplane in a social context. Same is true if I make a medicine, This is why despite having loads of medicines we let people suffer terribly and then die because of our withholding medicines from each other deliberately, so where does that lead us? All because we think it is our individual copyright or our intellectual property etc etc. How can we be such stupid people when God has gifted us with all we have for the proper use of all of us? Did God claim any copyrights for giving us things we have? We did not invent anything out of nothing at all rather all we have was already there when we were born. We ourselves were created by God and things we have were also created by God. All we have done is dismantled God made things and reassembled them the way they could benefit us. But when it comes to our benefits for doing that we have decided to withhold things from each other which only and only leads us to fights and wars with each other over those things which were not really our own to begin with rather they were given to us by God for serving his purpose which was to ensure well being of all human beings. This is why we need a way of life which helps us organise and regulate ourselves in a way that we end up ensuring well being of each other with help and full support of each other. This is where the quran provides us with an indisputable solid foundation if we could prepare ourselves for its proper understanding. We only dispute about the message of God because we ourselves have not learned to understand it properly. We choose such leaders as use us abusively against each other due to our own ignorance and stupidity. We use our available time in wrong things which lead us into more and more stupidity which in turn make us do more and more stupid things to each other and that is how human world keeps getting worse and worse instead of getting better and better. This is why what we need to learn about is proper way of life which helps us live in this world the right way ie the way God intended for us and for which he guided us through his messages.

This is why no matter how much educated we become or no matter how many Phds we acquire so long as we remain confused about living properly in this world none of our inventions can help us live sensibly no matter how long we keep going along this path we have invented and imposed upon each other. For living properly in this world only and only God can help us do that but only if we let God do so by learning his message properly and acting upon it faithfully. So long as we will keep God out of our equation of life we will keep on making our lives hell and that is the context in which God talks in the quran regarding hell and paradise ie you live in this world the way God says then your life will become a paradise as a proper human community or you live any way you like then wait till you end up making your lives hell by quarreling with one another. So what God is telling us is very clear that you live for ensuring well being of one another as a proper human community then soon you will have a great life in this world by your own hard works but if you will work against well being of each other then gradually your world will become a hellhole for yourselves. It is not God who punishes people but people themselves think and do all sorts of terrible things to each other for their petty personal gains at each other's expense and then complains and blame God for all that they themselves do to each other. This is why understanding the very first surah of the quran properly is very important and so are the very last surahs. God is praiseworthy because he has given people a way of life which could help them live a great life in this world as well as to have a great life in hereafter as a reward for it. This is why mankind must seek refuge in the way of life revealed by God for them and not follow way of life the shaitaan wants us to follow. I will talk about shaitaan and jinns and angels etc at some other time as to what these words mean in the proper context of the quran. The quran was not revealed so that foolish people make fun of it and burn it but so that mankind learn sense from it and do what is told and have a great life experience in this world and so that then they could be rewarded also for their such hard works in hereafter as well.

This is why before people read the quran they need to prepare themselves for its proper understanding. One should be able to see from this explanation how silly arabs look when they fail to understand the quran. It is because the quran has its own language that is totally different from what arabs know. It is a higher level of use of human language by God which is purpose based and this is why none can bring a book like the quran. Till people enable themselves to think at a higher level the quran requires, they cannot understand the quran even if they are arabs. The quran teaches people that they are all workers as far as God is concern and if they will work for fulfilling the purpose God has created them for then their lives will become great but not otherwise no matter how hard they work and no matter how long they go down that way. As I have explained already, living by religion can lead humanity nowhere. Why not? Because religion has nothing at all to do with real world realities instead it is all about empty words and irrelevant ritual practices. People can sit and pray to God all they like but nothing can change because God has created this world on basis of cause and effect chain. This is why if one wants a child one has to go through a process whereby one can get a child. No matter how much one cries to God one will not get a child. This is not the way God has setup this universe and things in it to work. Likewise no hungry can get food unless one goes through the related process for getting food. God has set up systems and structure as well as he has dictated procedures and practices so none can get anything unless one understands the way laws of nature operate or control or govern the operation of the natural world and things in it.

If no version of religion can give us anything, can any version of secularism and to what degree? Yes, secularism can give us some things to some degree but not to the degree deen of islam can. Secularism can only give us things on basis of personal gains at each other's expense at the most and not on any other basis. It is because through idea of individualism people only and only work for themselves and not for each other or for ensuring well being of each other. In such a society only and only those people succeed who have what it takes to succeed and not those who are relatively less advantaged. This is why the more advantaged people take undue advantages of those who are less advantaged which creates a serious divide between those who have and those who have not ie rich and poor. This being the case as numbers of those who are less advantaged increases there comes about a terrible bloody revolution. This is why to avoid this situation the number of poor and the level of poverty is controlled fully by those who have or are powerful and wealthy through various tricks and mechanisms. This is what forces so called successful individuals to contribute to their societies to remain in positions of power and have wealth at their disposal. Therefore even if they contribute anything to their societies it is only because if they will not then people who have hard life will get upset and revolt or rise up against them and their set up system and topple it. So rich and powerful people have organised and regulated their societies to keep things under their control as much as they can but the natural world is under control of set up systems and laws of God which keeps upsetting their artificially created balance always and forces change upon people be they powerful and rich or powerless and poor. This is why so far no human being has managed to control humanity fully and none ever will.

In other words God has set up this world in such a away that mankind can never take full control of it and take it totally in the wrong direction rather whatever people think and do will always lead the world in the right direction be it bit by bit or in very, very small steps. However God wants people to learn sense and move in the right direction quickly. It is a case of two babies who are put in two different environments. One is never sent to school and the other who is sent to school. One who is sent to school will learn things very fast due to being taught things compared to the one who has never been to school. Likewise people who will learn the quran properly will succeed and those who will not will move very, very slowly on this journey of learning or discovery. The while humanity by passes the quran this situation will prevail or continue till people turn to the quran for their guidance by learning the required or needed sense. This is why the quran is a proper teacher for mankind but this teacher has its own way of interacting with people. The quran is a teacher because it points out things for people to learn about them or that it acts as a stimulus for them to inspire or urge or encourage or motivate them. If we look at the process of teaching and learning as to how we are taught we will see it is the very same way. What a teacher does is, points out things for us to consider and then we ourselves try and figure them out in our minds in order to try and understand them. The very same applies in case of the quran ie it too brings different things to our attention for figuring them out the best we can. So thinking that the quran is a useless book is not the right way of looking at the quran because it is a very useful book for humanity once it is understood properly in its own proper context by mankind. The basic point the quran makes is, don't live for yourself or for each other but instead live for sake of fulfilling the purpose for which God has created you. This explanation clearly shows limitations of religion and secularism in comparison to way of life advised by God in the quran for humanity for living in this world properly. This is why no human can bring about a way of life like the one the quran suggests let alone any better way of life than the quran. This is why no human being can write a book like the quran even today.

This explanation clearly shows religion is invented and used by rulers and money lenders as scapegoat because where they fail to provide masses with what they need or want they could make excuses to them by saying things are in the hands of God so go and pray to God to put things right for you etc etc. Because masses do not realise things the way they should so they turn to religious leaders for solutions of their problem by God instead of turning to the book of God which shows them how to get out of this ruler, money lender and mullah invented confusion called religion and secularism. This leaves them totally vulnerable and open to abuse and manipulation by both leaders ie religious and secular due to confusion or trap they have create for masses. This is how the quran clearly exposes all kinds of governing systems people have come up with and have adopted so far, be it imperialism or dictatorship or authoritarianism or capitalism or communism or socialism etc etc. None of these can give people what the quranic governing system can give them. It is because all of these ideas are based upon personal gains for a few at the expense of all others. This is why one should be able to see why one has to study the quran in depth to get the hang of it. This clearly shows why islam is not and cannot be a religion. The so called religion islam has been invented by foolish mullahs on behalf of foolish rulers and money lenders to confuse people in the very name of one true God so that the real way of life called deen of islam could be hidden from the eyes of the uneducated masses so that that way masses could be used abusively by rulers and money lenders without any reaction or bloody revolution by the abused masses. This explanation should leave no doubt in minds of people as to what actual deen of islam really is. It has nothing at all to do with islam of rulers, money lenders, mullaans, their touts and supporters.

This explanation also explains very clearly that deen of islam is all about well being of humanity from the very beginning to the very end provided people understand it properly and adopt it faithfully. This is why deen of islam is from God for ensuring well being of humanity therefore it is about human society, its politics, its culture and its economics and it has nothing at all to do with prayers to God. It has its own governing systems, structures, procedures and practices. Deen of islam is all about people themselves organising and regulating themselves upon its basis for managing God given land and resources or means of production and distribution as a family for serving God and that is what the quran calls IBAADAH or serving one true God and this has nothing at all to do with pooja of God by people and their singing songs to God and doing nothing except rubbing their noses on the ground and waving their bottoms in the air and feeling good that they have done their part. Muslim cannot take over a people by sword unless forced to do so by nonmuslims because deen of islam is all about supporting each other for ensuring well being of each other and who in the right mind can oppose this idea that one needs to take up arms? It is always abusers and manipulators of humanity who benefit from abusing others who oppose deen of islam and that is why they impose fights and wars upon true muslims and that is the true position of actual deen of islam and true muslims if there are any. Muslims cannot need or want anything for themselves or others but only and only seek pleasure of their creator by doing works which he told them to do to ensure well being of whole of humanity with full help and support of each other. A muslim society has to be a complimentary human society and not a society based upon rivalry or negative competition. If one learns sense of making proper sense of things and then reads the quran, one will soon find out the quran is not a book from any human being but a book that is from out side of this world. However if people will not learn sense to make proper sense of the message of the quran then they will never know what the real message of God in the quran is.

However the more the people will ignore or avoid or neglect or abandon or desert the quran the more and more painful and agonising suffering will become norm for humanity by hands of each other over a longer period of time as a consequence. Such excuse is not valid for people that since people who claim to be muslims don't understand and use the quran properly so it has nothing to with nonmuslims. It is because God if there is one is God of all and everything and it is he who has sent his message for all so those who will learn and follow it properly will have a great life in here as well as in hereafter whereas those who will not will end up and remain in a terribly painful existence always by hands of each other no matter what. These are not threats by God but advance or forewarnings from God for sensible people to not to blindly follow each other into the hell hole which is dug by people themselves for themselves by not following advice of God at all.

Deen of islam is a true democratic system because it is a party-less system. What does that mean? It means power rests with rule of law of God as understood by masses who can then come together and appoint fully capable people into offices to serve them for God sake as all agree or consent to in order to fulfil the quranic program and objective as well as needs and wants of all members of proper human community. This system works like a referendum in which all discuss things and vote for each and every individual issue and the issue is decided on basis of proper understanding of the quran and the real world realities as well as needs and wants of people as individuals by a simple majority or unanimity. In a way it is bottom up system as compared to people taking over each other by force or by tricks or deceptive mechanisms whereby they create a pyramid of power structure to abuse weaker people from among themselves. So when it comes to bringing about a proper human community in the kingdom of God, if people cannot understand the real world realities and the quran properly in the first place, could they bring about a proper human community or create a book like the quran all by themselves? The quran by making such points shows, it is book from outside this world ie not written by human beings. It is because human beings do not think the way the quran does. If they could our human world in no way could be the way it is right before our eyes. It will have been a paradise instead.

The case being as already explained the next point is, why will God tell people for praying to him when he does not answer their prayers as he ought to according to beliefs or imaginations of people? Moreover why will God set times for prayers of people? It is because even if praying was ok, people will only praise God when they got good things from God and will only seek help of God when they are in real troubles and truly need help of God. Not only that but if God asks people to do that then God ought to fulfil their demands or whatever they ask for otherwise why ask people for prayer to waste their time and energies in the first place? This is why it makes no sense to have five daily prayers at fixed times and with fixed wording for prayers because prayer should be depending on situations or circumstances of people themselves as individuals and as groups. Yet another point in this regard is, God has his own purpose and plan for creating us so if he listens to us or fulfils our demands then how can God carry out his own plan for fulfilling his own purpose? Moreover we each have our own conflicting demands because we are always in conflict with each other, so how can God please each and every one of us? So it makes sense for God to give us all his standard to live by so that we all could mould or bend or model ourselves according to him rather than trying to mould God to fit our demands according to our self created conflicting standards. When it comes to God, the quran and deen of islam; things only seem mysterious for us because we are ignorant about them in various ways. I have already explained why miracles cannot take place in this world the way people at large think what they think ie due to their lack of proper knowledge about things. This is why our laughing at the quran exposes our own ignorance and stupidity at most and by burning the quran we are throwing our own future into the hell of our own making by our own hands.
 
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