Build relations with Israel to counter India: Musharraf

naveed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
مشرف کا بھارت سے مقابلے کیلئے اسرائیل سے تعلقات بنانے کا مشورہ



دبئی (سبط عارف) سابق صدر جنرل (ر) پرویز مشرف نے بھارت سے مقابلے کیلئے اسرائیل سے تعلقات بنانے کا مشورہ دے دیا، انہوں نے کہا کہ بھارت پاکستان پر20 ایٹم بم گراسکتا ہے،

بھارت کی مکمل تباہی کیلئے ہمیں50 ایٹم بم گرانا ہوں گے۔ تقریباً 9 ماہ بعد دبئی میں میڈیا سے گفتگو کرتے ہوئے سابق صدر کا کہنا تھا کہ پاکستان واپسی کیلئے ملک کی صورتحال ان کیلئے بہت زیادہ سازگار ہے، ان کی کابینہ کے تقریباً آدھے وزراء بشمول وزیر قانون اور اٹارنی جنرل موجودہ حکومت کی کابینہ میں شامل ہیں تاہم ان کا کہنا تھاکہ اس کے باوجود وہ ان سے توقع نہیں رکھیں گے

کہ وہ ان کے مقدمات کی وکالت کریں۔ پاکستان اور بھارت کے درمیان حالیہ کشیدگی کے حوالے سے سابق آرمی چیف کا کہنا تھا کہ بھارت لائن آف کنٹرول کے ساتھ پاکستان پر سرجیکل اسٹرائیک کرسکتا ہے جیسا کہ انہیں وہاں کئی جگہوں پر فائدہ ہے لیکن پاکستان کو اس طرح کے حملوں کیلئے تیار رہنا چاہئے اور ان کا مقابلہ کرنے کیلئے منصوبہ بنانا چاہئے۔ ان کا کہنا تھا کہ بھارت کو کشمیر میں سرجیکل

اسٹرائیکس کیلئے اضافی آرمی کی ضرورت پڑے گی۔ پاکستان اور بھارت کے درمیان جوہری جنگ کے حوالے سے ان کا کہنا تھا کہ جوہری جنگ سادہ سی جنگ نہیں اور اس سے گریز کرنا چاہئے۔ جوہری اسٹرائیک کی مثال دیتے ہوئے سابق آرمی کمانڈو کا کہنا تھا کہ اگر ہم بھارت پر ایک ایٹم بم گرائیں گے تو بھارت پاکستان پر 20 ایٹم بم گراسکتا ہے اور ملک کو تباہ کرسکتا ہے، اس لئے بھارت کو مکمل طور پر تباہ کرنے کیلئے ہمیں 50 ایٹم بم گرانے ہوں گے۔

DUBAI: Former President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf has stated that the country’s situation is very much favourable for his return to Pakistan.

During a press conference here Friday, Musharraf hinted at making relations with Israel to counter India. Mentioning his initiatives for making contacts with Israeli leadership with the help of Turkey in 2005, the former army chief said that Israeli leadership had responded within 24 hours of his meeting’s offer. He assumed that Israel wants to create better relations with Pakistan.

Speaking with the media in Dubai almost after nine months, the former president said with a smiling face that almost half of his cabinet ministers including law minister and attorney general are in the current government’s cabinet. Although, he said that he would not expect from them to plead his cases.

Referring to the current India-Pakistan tension, the former army chief said that India could do surgical strike attacks on Pakistan along the Line of Control (LoC) as they have advantage at many places there. “But Pakistan should get ready for such strikes and make a plan to counter it,” he added. He believed that India needed extra army for surgical strikes in Kashmir from its other borders.

Responding to fear of nuclear war between Pakistan and India, he said that nuclear war is not a simple warfare and should be avoided. Giving an example of nuclear strike, the former army commando said that India can drop 20 bombs on Pakistan and destroy the country if we dropped one on India. “So, we have to drop 50 bombs to completely destroy India,” he reiterated the example. The former general said that the nuclear warfare is very sensitive issue and it is only for deterrence.

Recalling his meeting with political leaders of the country, the former president revealed that many political leaders used to talk so much in favour of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) but now they don’t. He anxiously feared the fallout of the current government and the failure of third political force in the country in which case the two political parties (PPP and PMLN) could reemerge. “So, the All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) would not be part of any political destabilisation movement,” he revealed. The APML founder said that any such movement would not be in the favour of the country.

Regarding the current Afghan peace talks, the former president Pervez Musharraf said that Taliban can reemerge and would be leading force to rule Afghanistan if the United States (US) forces leave the region. He also feared the proxy war in the region due to multi-polar division in war-torn Afghanistan.

Musharraf said that Prime Minister Imran Khan has been still learning the leadership as it is not a piece of cake. He advised the premier to perform with team work. The former president said that the process of accountability should be moved forward speedily.

The founder of the APML also announced Hidayatullah Khaisgee as the new chairman of the party as he is currently not feeling well he showed his confidence on general secretary of the APML Mehreen Adam Malik.

 
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insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
He is right! It's about time to act pragmatically than foolishly. Israel right now is at least 100 years ahead of Pakistan. Arab states are fast normalizing their relationships with Israel and Pakistan should cash in on it.

Don't forget! we left Israel open for India. If Pakistan would walk one step towards it then Israel would walk two since it has nothing to gain with remaining animous towards a Nuclear State.

But the big question is that is public ready for this move? The people like Fazl-ur-Rehman whose whole politics revolve around anti-israel narrative will not let this happen as his politics will die then!

Israel is a snake and musraff can suck their dic--k

israel has more common with india then pakistan they have same mindset of occuping lands illegaly
 

expert analysis

MPA (400+ posts)
He is right! It's about time to act pragmatically than foolishly. Israel right now is at least 100 years ahead of Pakistan. Arab states are fast normalizing their relationships with Israel and Pakistan should cash in on it.

Don't forget! we left Israel open for India. If Pakistan would walk one step towards it then Israel would walk two since it has nothing to gain with remaining animous towards a Nuclear State.

But the big question is that is public ready for this move? The people like Fazl-ur-Rehman whose whole politics revolve around anti-israel narrative will not let this happen as his politics will die then!
Do u think Ik can do this ?
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He is right! It's about time to act pragmatically than foolishly. Israel right now is at least 100 years ahead of Pakistan. Arab states are fast normalizing their relationships with Israel and Pakistan should cash in on it.

Don't forget! we left Israel open for India. If Pakistan would walk one step towards it then Israel would walk two since it has nothing to gain with remaining animous towards a Nuclear State.

But the big question is that is public ready for this move? The people like Fazl-ur-Rehman whose whole politics revolve around anti-israel narrative will not let this happen as his politics will die then!
no matter how strong Israel gets they have muslim blood on their hands and to this day they are killing Muslims and stealing their lands and all the hipe you see in israel is all fake nothing is real you will soon see its destruction
we as a Muslim country should have some morals at least and not support the biggest human rights violator of middle east and india can suck all the Israel dick if they want they will die from Aids very soon

Rather then building good relations with enemies we should get all Muslim countries united and make a united Muslims nation
 

luckey_iam

MPA (400+ posts)
let Arabs decide first, Pakistan should act second . pakistan cannot afford to make Arabs angry for the sake of isreal.
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
Don't lecture me on Israel's hype. Just as Indian media fools indian people on Pakistan, our media fools us on Israel. Go and live in Israel for a few months yourselves and then make a decision.

Hundreds of thousands of muslims are thriving in Israel state today. Their top universities have almost half muslim professors and students! The tussle between Palestine and Israel is still active but both are doing politics over it. They both have corrupt rulers exploiting the sentiments of their illiterate segments of public to keep their politics alive.

As per your logic, then Hindus have every right to be angry at Pakistan forever! Muslims of this region has millions of hindus blood on their hands! Move on and grow out of the mistakes of your elders. If Germany and France can move past their much more bitter past, Sikhs and Muslims have passed over their bitter past (don't forget Sikhs killed lakh+ muslims during partition), so can Israel and Muslim states!

no matter how strong Israel gets they have muslim blood on their hands and to this day they are killing Muslims and stealing their lands and all the hipe you see in israel is all fake nothing is real you will soon see its destruction
we as a Muslim country should have some morals at least and not support the biggest human rights violator of middle east and india can suck all the Israel dick if they want they will die from Aids very soon

Rather then building good relations with enemies we should get all Muslim countries united and make a united Muslims nation
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Don't lecture me on Israel's hype. Just as Indian media fools indian people on Pakistan, our media fools us on Israel. Go and live in Israel for a few months yourselves and then make a decision.

Hundreds of thousands of muslims are thriving in Israel state today. Their top universities have almost half muslim professors and students! The tussle between Palestine and Israel is still active but both are doing politics over it. They both have corrupt rulers exploiting the sentiments of their illiterate segments of public to keep their politics alive.

As per your logic, then Hindus have every right to be angry at Pakistan forever! Muslims of this region has millions of hindus blood on their hands! Move on and grow out of the mistakes of your elders. If Germany and France can move past their much more bitter past, Sikhs and Muslims have passed over their bitter past (don't forget Sikhs killed lakh+ muslims during partition), so can Israel and Muslim states!
is this Ahmadie Muslims you talking about in isreal so you can also suck thier

 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He is right! It's about time to act pragmatically than foolishly. Israel right now is at least 100 years ahead of Pakistan. Arab states are fast normalizing their relationships with Israel and Pakistan should cash in on it.

Don't forget! we left Israel open for India. If Pakistan would walk one step towards it then Israel would walk two since it has nothing to gain with remaining animous towards a Nuclear State.

But the big question is that is public ready for this move? The people like Fazl-ur-Rehman whose whole politics revolve around anti-israel narrative will not let this happen as his politics will die then!


Needs careful analysis on cost benefit. Why not if beneficial.
To hell with diesel.
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just 2,000 Ahmadis do not represet 15 Lakh Muslims thriving in Israel!


Between you are talking like Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman now! Just do propaganda without knowing the FACTS!

is this Ahmadie Muslims you talking about in isreal so you can also suck thier

is this Ahmadie Muslims you talking about in isreal so you can also suck thier

He seems one of them

even musharraf has inclination towards them
 

back to the future

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just 2,000 Ahmadis do not represet 15 Lakh Muslims thriving in Israel!


Between you are talking like Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman now! Just do propaganda without knowing the FACTS!
So you are trying to bracket people hating ahmadis with fazal ur rehman?BTW I don't hate ahmadis but certainly Israel for its crimes against humanity and palestinians and ahmadis due to their hate of mainstream muslims have been closer to Israel and even have inducted in Israel army.
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just 2,000 Ahmadis do not represet 15 Lakh Muslims thriving in Israel!


Between you are talking like Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman now! Just do propaganda without knowing the FACTS!
go and see how muslims survive in israel its human rights violation

i as a muslim will never be okay with joining hands with one of the worst enemies of islam and human race

israel was given refuge in Palestine through Brittan and now they own palestine do you really think they are out there to spread peace

and besides have we strengthen all the relations with muslims very strong that we are looking at enemeies first strengthen good relationship with muslims

Israel to withhold $138mn from Palestinian taxes it collects, citing support of prisoners

https://www.rt.com/news/451679-israel-withholds-palestinian-tax/
 

Diesel

Senator (1k+ posts)
loha lohey ko kat-ta ha. nothing wrong to have diplomatic relation with Israel.. many muslim nations has diplomatic relation with Israel . Even saudia also intouch with Israel in one and in another way
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am not equating hating Ahmadis with Fazl-ur-Rehman. I'm equating quoting 0.0001% of a society as a representative of entire population with Fazl-ur-Rehman's propaganda.

There are thousands of non-ahmadi Muslims in Israel's army as well.

Just as we have a few paen di siris in Pakistan, there are a few Paen di siri jews in Israel as well. But the don't represent entire Israel just as our extremists don't represent Pakistan!

So you are trying to bracket people hating ahmadis with fazal ur rehman?BTW I don't hate ahmadis but certainly Israel for its crimes against humanity and palestinians and ahmadis due to their hate of mainstream muslims have been closer to Israel and even have inducted in Israel army.
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am against the act of creation of Israel state by the British at first place. But it would also mean I would have to be against the creation of Pakistan. Just as Israel was created as the promised land for the Jews of Europe and Arabia, Pakistan was created as a promised land for the muslims of united India!

So we need to move past if creation of Israel or Pakistan was correct.

But afterwards you need to correct your history. Israel started expanding only after once Palestine and Middle East started attacking it. In retaliation, Israel started pushing them back and Palestine continued losing more land! Only if Palestine had been OK with the demarcation of 1948, It wouldn't have been reduced to a few islands today.

Muslim or No Muslim! Fix your relationship with anyone that can help you grow!

If there is an attack on Pakistan tomorrow, no muslim country would or can defend Pakistan. Look how many muslim countries including Pakistan have defended Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine etc. However, China being a non-muslim state may still protect Pakistan only because it is heavily invested in Pakistan!

go and see how muslims survive in israel its human rights violation

i as a muslim will never be okay with joining hands with one of the worst enemies of islam and human race

israel was given refuge in Palestine through Brittan and now they own palestine do you really think they are out there to spread peace

and besides have we strengthen all the relations with muslims very strong that we are looking at enemeies first strengthen good relationship with muslims

Israel to withhold $138mn from Palestinian taxes it collects, citing support of prisoners

https://www.rt.com/news/451679-israel-withholds-palestinian-tax/
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am against the act of creation of Israel state by the British at first place. But it would also mean I would have to be against the creation of Pakistan. Just as Israel was created as the promised land for the Jews of Europe and Arabia, Pakistan was created as a promised land for the muslims of united India!

So we need to move past if creation of Israel or Pakistan was correct.

But afterwards you need to correct your history. Israel started expanding only after once Palestine and Middle East started attacking it. In retaliation, Israel started pushing them back and Palestine continued losing more land! Only if Palestine had been OK with the demarcation of 1948, It wouldn't have been reduced to a few islands today.

Muslim or No Muslim! Fix your relationship with anyone that can help you grow!

If there is an attack on Pakistan tomorrow, no muslim country would or can defend Pakistan. Look how many muslim countries including Pakistan have defended Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine etc. However, China being a non-muslim state may still protect Pakistan only because it is heavily invested in Pakistan!
see that's where you are wrong British was no one to create any country in first place they invaded lands and then decided who should take what according to their own interest

Pakistan was separated due to its own struggle quaid e azam fought a legal battle to get it

where as isreal was given in a platter to destabilize the middle east and that's what exactly they are doing right now slowly and slowly destroying middl east from its roots

and obviously middle easyt will have a war on isreal when you kick out their own people from the lands and invade them you think no one should say anything to fucking Zionist you have the history so much messed up in your head
no wonder you are becoming a zionst yourself

learn some history

 
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insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Isreal was created after 70+ years of Zionist struggle!

Come out of social studies or "muta liae Pakistan" and start reading quality stuff to stop making fool of yourself.

Read: A PEACE TO END ALL PEACE by David Fromkin



see that's where you are wrong British was no one to create any country in first place they invaded lands and then decided who should take what according to their own interest

Pakistan was separated due to its own struggle quaid e azam fought a legal battle to get it

where as isreal was given in a platter to destabilize the middle east and that's what exactly they are doing right now slowly and slowly destroying middl east from its roots

and obviously middle easyt will have a war on isreal when you kick out their own people from the lands and invade them you think no one should say anything to fucking Zionist you have the history so much messed up in your head
no wonder you are becoming a zionst yourself
 
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