Asal Momin Kon Hai? - مومن کون ہے - Life Changing Bayan - Dr Israr Ahmed

[Amal]

 

[Mughal1]

khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waalo cultish mindset se niklo jo mullaan ne koot koot ker aap ke zehnu main bhar di hai. maqsad ko dhoondo aur us ko haasil kerne ke liye tayaari karo. ye chahta hai deene islam insaanu se keh woh khudaa ka nizaam jaane theek tarah se aur us ko qaaim karen. agar aap ye kaam nahin kerte to aap ka deene islam se koi taaluq nahin hai. mehz chand ilfaaz keh ker aadami musalmaan nahin ban sakta. musalmaan banane ke liye deene islam ka karinda banana pade ga aur us ke diya ge maqsad ko poora karne ki koshish main apna poora poora hissa daalna ho ga. naam abdul rahmaan rakhne se ya pooja paat se ye kaam nahin ho ga. See HERE for detail.

musalmaanu ko khudaa ne is liye nikaala hai keh woh is duniya main khero barkat laayen doosre logoon ko samjhaa bujaa ker saath milaa ker. issi main khud khudaa ki badhayee ka asal raaz chhupa hai. khudaa ki sab insaani duniya taareef tab hi kare gi jab khudaa ka nizaam un ko woh kuchh de ga jis ka khudaa ne quraan main waada kiya hai. is nizaam ko mullaan ne aik taraf rakh diya hai jis ki wajah se aaj khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale khud pareshaan hen. ye woh log hen jin ka kaam tha doosre logoon ki pareshaaniyun ko door kerna. yaad rakhen drust maashra yani khudayee nizaam waala maashra aik fard se qaaim nahin hota balkeh bahot se logoon ke dilo jaan se koshish kerne se qaaim hota hai.

 

[Umar_LA]

khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waalo cultish mindset se niklo jo mullaan ne koot koot ker aap ke zehnu main bhar di hai. maqsad ko dhoondo aur us ko haasil kerne ke liye tayaari karo. ye chahta hai deene islam insaanu se keh woh khudaa ka nizaam jaane theek tarah se aur us ko qaaim karen. agar aap ye kaam nahin kerte to aap ka deene islam se koi taaluq nahin hai. mehz chand ilfaaz keh ker aadami musalmaan nahin ban sakta. musalmaan banane ke liye deene islam ka karinda banana pade ga aur us ke diya ge maqsad ko poora karne ki koshish main apna poora poora hissa daalna ho ga. naam abdul rahmaan rakhne se ya pooja paat se ye kaam nahin ho ga. See HERE for detail.

musalmaanu ko khudaa ne is liye nikaala hai keh woh is duniya main khero barkat laayen doosre logoon ko samjhaa bujaa ker saath milaa ker. issi main khud khudaa ki badhayee ka asal raaz chhupa hai. khudaa ki sab insaani duniya taareef tab hi kare gi jab khudaa ka nizaam un ko woh kuchh de ga jis ka khudaa ne quraan main waada kiya hai. is nizaam ko mullaan ne aik taraf rakh diya hai jis ki wajah se aaj khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale khud pareshaan hen. ye woh log hen jin ka kaam tha doosre logoon ki pareshaaniyun ko door kerna.

bare dedication hy yaar,

khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waalo cultish mindset se niklo jo mullaan ne koot koot ker aap ke zehnu main bhar di hai. maqsad ko dhoondo aur us ko haasil kerne ke liye tayaari karo. ye chahta hai deene islam insaanu se keh woh khudaa ka nizaam jaane theek tarah se aur us ko qaaim karen. agar aap ye kaam nahin kerte to aap ka deene islam se koi taaluq nahin hai. mehz chand ilfaaz keh ker aadami musalmaan nahin ban sakta. musalmaan banane ke liye deene islam ka karinda banana pade ga aur us ke diya ge maqsad ko poora karne ki koshish main apna poora poora hissa daalna ho ga. naam abdul rahmaan rakhne se ya pooja paat se ye kaam nahin ho ga. See HERE for detail.

musalmaanu ko khudaa ne is liye nikaala hai keh woh is duniya main khero barkat laayen doosre logoon ko samjhaa bujaa ker saath milaa ker. issi main khud khudaa ki badhayee ka asal raaz chhupa hai. khudaa ki sab insaani duniya taareef tab hi kare gi jab khudaa ka nizaam un ko woh kuchh de ga jis ka khudaa ne quraan main waada kiya hai. is nizaam ko mullaan ne aik taraf rakh diya hai jis ki wajah se aaj khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale khud pareshaan hen. ye woh log hen jin ka kaam tha doosre logoon ki pareshaaniyun ko door kerna.

Dr Israr Ahmed is not an ordinary person, His knowledge and understanding of Quran is just and wise.
And Like I mentioned earlier, all you need is truthfulness in your heart and pray, ALLAH and his Quran will surely guide you weather be through Dr Israr Ahmed or directly from Quran. So you by saying anything against Dr Israr makes you suspicious

 

[Wake up Pak]

Dr. Israr (marhoom) was no doubt one of the best researcher of the Quran.
But, It doesn't mean that you have to believe whatever he said.
We have to study the Quran on our own with good translation in Urdu or whatever language we understand.

 

[Mughal1]

bare dedication hy yaar,

Dr Israr Ahmed is not an ordinary person, His knowledge and understanding of Quran is just and wise.
And Like I mentioned earlier, all you need is truthfulness in your heart and pray, ALLAH and his Quran will surely guide you weather be through Dr Israr Ahmed or directly from Quran. So you by saying anything against Dr Israr makes you suspicious

azeezam ahsanca sb, mera ikhtilaaf sab se aik hi bunyaadi baat per hai aur woh ye keh islam deen hai mazhab nahin hai. main logoon ki commitment ya sincerity per tanqeed nahin kerta balkeh is baat per kerta hun keh un ka maqsad kia hai ya kia hona chahiye quraani talimaat ki roshni main. mere nazdeek sab aise log ghalat hen jo deene islam ko mazhab samajhte hen. is liye keh islam mazhab hai hi nahin. ye to anti mazhab aur anti secularism hai. is liye keh mazhab aur secularism dono deene islam ke dushman hen. aik insaanu main mazhabi firqe phelaata hai to doosra jhamooriyat ke naam per logoon ko kayee partiyun main taqseem kerta hai.

sab ke sab kuchh afraad ke zaati mufadaat ki khitaair insaaniyat ko tabaho barbaad ker rahe hen. deene islam logoon ko in ki badmaashiyun se azaadi dene waala raasta hai. ye sab insaanu ko aapas main bhai bhai banaata hai aur sab per aik doosre ki bhalayee ko muqaddam rakhta hai. jo jis qadar khudaa ke liye aise kaam kare ga jin se insaaniyat ki bhalayee ho woh ussi qadar khudaa ka mahboob hota hai. aisa kyun hai? is liye keh jab insaan khush ho ker khudaa ki taareef kerte hen khudaa ke nizaam ki wajah se to ye khudaa ki sachi taareef hoti hai. pooja paat to khudaa ki jhooti tareefun ke pul baandne waali baat hai.

main ye nahin kehta ke mere siwaa baaqi sab log mukammal tor per jahil hen. main ye kehta hun quraan ke asal maqsad se unjaan hen. jab tak woh quraan ke asal maqsad se anjaan hen un ka ilm un ko woh faaida nahin de sakta jo un ko haasil kerna chahiye.

regards and all the best.

 

[Umar_LA]

azeezam ahsanca sb, mera ikhtilaaf sab se aik hi bunyaadi baat per hai aur woh ye keh islam deen hai mazhab nahin hai. main logoon ki commitment ya sincerity per tanqeed nahin kerta balkeh is baat per kerta hun keh un ka maqsad kia hai ya kia hona chahiye quraani talimaat ki roshni main. mere nazdeek sab aise log ghalat hen jo deene islam ko mazhab samajhte hen. is liye keh islam mazhab hai hi nahin. ye to anti mazhab aur anti secularism hai. is liye keh mazhab aur secularism dono deene islam ke dushman hen. aik insaanu main mazhabi firqe phelaata hai to doosra jhamooriyat ke naam per logoon ko kayee partiyun main taqseem kerta hai.

sab ke sab kuchh afraad ke zaati mufadaat ki khitaair insaaniyat ko tabaho barbaad ker rahe hen. deene islam logoon ko in ki badmaashiyun se azaadi dene waala raasta hai. ye sab insaanu ko aapas main bhai bhai banaata hai aur sab per aik doosre ki bhalayee ko muqaddam rakhta hai. jo jis qadar khudaa ke liye aise kaam kare ga jin se insaaniyat ki bhalayee ho woh ussi qadar khudaa ka mahboob hota hai. aisa kyun hai? is liye keh jab insaan khush ho ker khudaa ki taareef kerte hen khudaa ke nizaam ki wajah se to ye khudaa ki sachi taareef hoti hai. pooja paat to khudaa ki jhooti tareefun ke pul baandne waali baat hai.

main ye nahin kehta ke mere siwaa baaqi sab log mukammal tor per jahil hen. main ye kehta hun quraan ke asal maqsad se unjaan hen. jab tak woh quraan ke asal maqsad se anjaan hen un ka ilm un ko woh faaida nahin de sakta jo un ko haasil kerna chahiye.

regards and all the best.

All I know is, the Quran is Hedayat for everyone including someone who is very Intelligent and who is not so intelligent. All you need is truthfulness and honesty and not "NO Stubbornness" and NO Bias. Just ask ALLAH and you will able to understand.

Dr Israr himself been saying on numerous occasion that Islam is Deen, we have to apply Islam as Deen. What part of speech you disagree with Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik i am unable to understand.

Keep in mind I am not a blind follower of anyone, I pray to ALLAH to for Hedayat with an open heart and always ask for forgiveness

You are challenging Dr Israr and Dr Zakir Naik, you must have done a great amount of study and research am I right?

I don't care about rest of the Ullma like Kokab Norani kind of or Fazal ur Rahman type corrupt Mafias

 

[knowledge88]

khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waalo cultish mindset se niklo jo mullaan ne koot koot ker aap ke zehnu main bhar di hai. maqsad ko dhoondo aur us ko haasil kerne ke liye tayaari karo. ye chahta hai deene islam insaanu se keh woh khudaa ka nizaam jaane theek tarah se aur us ko qaaim karen. agar aap ye kaam nahin kerte to aap ka deene islam se koi taaluq nahin hai. mehz chand ilfaaz keh ker aadami musalmaan nahin ban sakta. musalmaan banane ke liye deene islam ka karinda banana pade ga aur us ke diya ge maqsad ko poora karne ki koshish main apna poora poora hissa daalna ho ga. naam abdul rahmaan rakhne se ya pooja paat se ye kaam nahin ho ga. See HERE for detail.

musalmaanu ko khudaa ne is liye nikaala hai keh woh is duniya main khero barkat laayen doosre logoon ko samjhaa bujaa ker saath milaa ker. issi main khud khudaa ki badhayee ka asal raaz chhupa hai. khudaa ki sab insaani duniya taareef tab hi kare gi jab khudaa ka nizaam un ko woh kuchh de ga jis ka khudaa ne quraan main waada kiya hai. is nizaam ko mullaan ne aik taraf rakh diya hai jis ki wajah se aaj khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale khud pareshaan hen. ye woh log hen jin ka kaam tha doosre logoon ki pareshaaniyun ko door kerna. yaad rakhen drust maashra yani khudayee nizaam waala maashra aik fard se qaaim nahin hota balkeh bahot se logoon ke dilo jaan se koshish kerne se qaaim hota hai.

You have mentioned a number of times that you disagree with the most because Islam Deen hay Mazhab nahi.
And you have written it one million times in the past. Let me remind you one last time. It is a faith of every Muslim that ISLAM deen hay , mazhab nahi. See what Dr Israr Ahmed is saying on this topic.
See how Dr Israr is emphasising that ISLAM is a deen.

 

[knowledge88]

All I know is, the Quran is Hedayat for everyone including someone who is very Intelligent and who is not so intelligent. All you need is truthfulness and honesty and not "NO Stubbornness" and NO Bias. Just ask ALLAH and you will able to understand.

Dr Israr himself been saying on numerous occasion that Islam is Deen, we have to apply Islam as Deen. What part of speech you disagree with Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik i am unable to understand.

Keep in mind I am not a blind follower of anyone, I pray to ALLAH to for Hedayat with an open heart and always ask for forgiveness

You are challenging Dr Israr and Dr Zakir Naik, you must have done a great amount of study and research am I right?

I don't care about rest of the Ullma like Kokab Norani kind of or Fazal ur Rahman type corrupt Mafias

He is Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz follower . He doesn't like Dr Israr because Dr Israr said that Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz was a Fitna .
See this video

 

[Qalumkar]

He is Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz follower . He doesn't like Dr Israr because Dr Israr said that Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz was a Fitna .
See this video

Who the hell is this Dr. to give fatwa of kufar for any Muslim? You have proved that Dr. Israr is just a joker.

 

[knowledge88]

Who the hell is this Dr. to give fatwa of kufar for any Muslim? You have proved that Dr. Israr is just a joker.

Reality of Ghulam Ahmad Parvez Exposed By Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza

 

[Wake up Pak]

Ghulam Ahmad Parvaiz (marhoom) was thousand times better then any current or past mullah.

 

[Mughal1]

All I know is, the Quran is Hedayat for everyone including someone who is very Intelligent and who is not so intelligent. All you need is truthfulness and honesty and not "NO Stubbornness" and NO Bias. Just ask ALLAH and you will able to understand.

Dr Israr himself been saying on numerous occasion that Islam is Deen, we have to apply Islam as Deen. What part of speech you disagree with Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik i am unable to understand.

Keep in mind I am not a blind follower of anyone, I pray to ALLAH to for Hedayat with an open heart and always ask for forgiveness

You are challenging Dr Israr and Dr Zakir Naik, you must have done a great amount of study and research am I right?

I don't care about rest of the Ullma like Kokab Norani kind of or Fazal ur Rahman type corrupt Mafias

azeezam ahsanca sb, we agree the quran is book of guidance. What we disagree about is guidance for what? If a book has no purpose then it cannot guide. This means the quran is sent by God for a purpose so the question is what is that purpose? Mullaans tell us the quraan says, our purpose is pooja paat or worship of God. This is why in each quranic translation we can find things about worship of God which is no purpose at all. Word IBAADAH is translated as worship. Even declaration of faith in oneness of God is translated the same way ie no one is worthy of worship other than Allah. Here again word ILAAH is translated that way which in actual fact means God. So they should translate it as no one is God other than Allah or there is no God save Allah or except Allah etc. Worship is that which all religious people do eg hindus, parsies, jews, christians etc etc. By translating the quran this way what are these translators trying to hide or mask or cover up? Concept of God because God means a ruler or king or creator or owner etc etc. In other words, word ILAAH is a comprehensive word which contains all attributes of God.

Then worship has to be carried out in a temple where as the whole universe belongs to God. By locking up God in a temple, what are these people trying to cover up? If all belong to God and everything belongs to God alone then how can it be right that God should be put away as if in a cupboard and out of sight?

Then on top of all this people who claim to be muslims believe in five pillars of islam and mullaans again mistranslate them to prove islam is a religion and not a way of life. It is because if you translate pillars of islam in religious sense then islam has nothing to do with real life issues and realities. In other words islam then only and only emphasises pooja paat. It is because if most important thing is only and only pooja paat then how can islam be the best way of life for humanity when it does not deal with life and issues of living in this world properly as the utmost important thing?

So if these like people say let us bring about islamic rule of law, what do they mean by islamic rule of law or islamic shariah? It only means let us make each and every person a pujaari because that is what islamic pillars of faith are according to them. If each and every person will spend his life in learning about pooja paat then when will one learn how to live in this world properly? These like major problems with mullaan islam show us mullaans are conspirators against deen of islam. They are stooges of ruling elite and money lenders. Rulers make masses slaves by political tricks and mechanisms and money lenders trap and make people slaves by money based tricks and mechanisms. Just like mullaans trap people and make them slaves through religious tricks and mechanisms.

This is why one should read my posts to see what has been explained about deen of islam in depth and why. This is why if people will not get out of these traps that have been laid for them to entrap them then they will never get out of troubles. People are misleading people in the very name of God as they have been for a very long time now. This is why saying islam is a deen or a way of life is very different from actually proving it so.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

He is Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz follower . He doesn't like Dr Israr because Dr Israr said that Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz was a Fitna .
See this video

Dear knowledge, mullaan slaves are very easy to recognise because they are muslims by religion and they have no idea what deen of islam is or what it really means. Can you defend your religious beliefs? No way. As I said already your responses are childish rather than knowledge based.

You call me parwezi and before you various others also called me parwezi but none of you can prove me parwezi because I am a thinker not a dummy who follows others blindly. You will have known that had you gone through my posts or links I provided. Unlike mullaan slaves I like anything anyone says which seems right to me for a particular reason and that is why you will see me sharing videos even of dr israr, ghamidi, ishaq, aqeel or jawad etc etc. Parwez was very intelligent man who was moving from mazhab to deen.

I too was very religious once upon a time but gradually turned to deen after becoming aware of problems with mazhab. This is natural because human societies in which we are born are religious. This is why a lot of people through out the world change their religious sects when they see problems with their sects in which they are born. Likewise people change their religions and so people turn to atheism once they have had enough of religions. Hardly many turn to deen of islam because it has been covered up with falsehood of religion that is labelled islam. Once humanity discovers deen of islam it will spread like fire in a jungle amongst thinking people who are wise.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

Reality of Ghulam Ahmad Parvez Exposed By Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza

Dear knowledge, you are sharing a video about which you have no idea what it is about. If you will look into arabic english dictionary by william lane which is very famous and most authentic dictionary according to all muslim sects, it tells you origin and development of words as well as mechanism where by words were given their meanings of which even mirza sb is unaware and so is his teacher gamidi sb. It is in 8 volumes.

Also had you bothered to go through my posts in response to vitamic c and other atheists you will have learned some sense from there as well. Also I have given link to my thread where in I discuss these like points and clearly show why ghamidi response to parwez is ignorance based. See HERE.

Moreover the dictionary parwez wrote contains references to other dictionaries from which he got his information. So people like you should learn some sense and stop attributing clear lies to others or use lies of others in support of your own lies. You should read dictionary written by parwez and see if what you say is true. It is there in urdu and english both. It is a root based dictionary as an arabic dictionary should be, because arabic is a root based language just like hebrew. Difference in hebrew and arabic is some words in hebrew are two letter root based whereas in arabic words are mainly based on three and four letter roots. You and your mullaans have no idea why words are letters based roots to begin with. You will find them explained by me in the link I have given you. Hope you don't stop reading my post when you come across something you don't like, rather see my point of view about things and the reasons and then challenge me on that after having some understanding of my point of view that is if you must challenge me.

mean while regards and all the best.

 

[Citizen X]

Ghulam Ahmad Parvaiz (marhoom) was thousand times better then any current or past mullah.

Maybe, but his interpretations of the Quran were totally messed up and non sensical.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Ho

Maybe, but his interpretations of the Quran were totally messed up and non sensical.

How so?

 

[Citizen X]

Ho
How so?

I don't remember everything off the top of my head, but I have seen some of his videos and remember him translating things like Jinns as some bedoiun tribe and Tayoor ( birds ) as fast horses, and pretty much most of it was of similar fashion i.e making great leaps of faith in linguistics as well as beliefs to make the Quran fit into his narrative.

Ghamdi's example of "shorba" is an excellent example of Perwez's linguistic and mental gymnastics, watch his entire 1 hour talk on Perwez, it worth listening to, specially Perwezis like Mughal. You know Ghamdi, he absolutely refrains from speaking ill about anyone but Perwez was so out there he was forced to make this refutation.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I don't remember everything off the top of my head, but I have seen some of his videos and remember him translating things like Jinns as some bedoiun tribe and Tayoor ( birds ) as fast horses, and pretty much most of it was of similar fashion i.e making great leaps of faith in linguistics as well as beliefs to make the Quran fit into his narrative.

Ghamdi's example of "shorba" is an excellent example of Perwez's linguistic and mental gymnastics, watch his entire 1 hour talk on Perwez, it worth listening to, specially Perwezis like Mughal. You know Ghamdi, he absolutely refrains from speaking ill about anyone but Perwez was so out there he was forced to make this refutation.

No one is perfect and so is ghamidi.

 

[Citizen X]

No one is perfect and so is ghamidi.

Never said so. But like I said, Perwez's whole schtick is his "revolutionary" translation of the Quran and the new meaning he has derived from it but like I said that doesn't make any sense what so ever, so when his fundamentals are flawed then his entire thing collapses like a house of cards. Might work for people who don't understand even basic Arabic but even for someone like me who can converse in casual Arabic it makes no sense at all and is absurd to say the least.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Never said so. But like I said, Perwez's whole schtick is his "revolutionary" translation of the Quran and the new meaning he has derived from it but like I said that doesn't make any sense what so ever, so when his fundamentals are flawed then his entire thing collapses like a house of cards. Might work for people who don't understand even basic Arabic but even for someone like me who can converse in casual Arabic it makes no sense at all and is absurd to say the least.

What did you find wrong with his translation? I would say that so far his translation is based purely on Quran while the other mullahs translate the Quran based on ahadeeth. He might have erred but his message was purely from the Quran.
You might know some Arabic but you do not understand the Quran's Arabic as it is different than what contemporary Arabic language is.
Copied. Do not consider Madrasah-trained Mullahs as educated. Their ‘knowledge’ is good for nothing except for sectarianism. It is amazing that all Mullahs, regardless of time and place, and whether they are college educated or illiterate, seem to have the same idiotic state of mind. Mullah's world is that reflecting on the Quran is forbidden.