ALL Anti Army Wallah's Your response welcome

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You have an obsession with boots and uniforms that for you they are everywhere and anywhere.
Tell me are they in your house outside your front door
In your bedroom or just outside it.
Are they so powerful that on any and every forum where every word you utter against them
is being heard seen being watched observed listened to examined and programmed for a greater response.

Seems to me that anyone so anti Army would have his each fart and breath examined and acted upon

Yet here you are free to espouse endless Bullshit daily....
About boots and uniforms.
Such a fantasy for you I guess BOOTS AND UNIFORMS turn you on in a special way
BUT I guess they refused to have you when you tried to join and it hurt so your reaction.....
is here on this forum
Clearly they are useless if they cannot shut up such a powerful opponent as you who knows everything
there is to know about what they do and do not and how they operate in every sphere .........

There are some useless twats on this forum but you def get my vote for the most useless and irrelevant
who has one only language and I am guessing but your beef is
that they would not even let you sweep their streets iron their uniforms or wipe their backsides or lick them...

Rejection hurts, And YOUR FAILURE is clearly THEIR fault

FINALLY YOUR collection of photos of people licking Army boots is very impressive..... How many do you have which are your favourites and which ones genuinely turn you on and which ONE pic really gets you off over the edge

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Muhammad Jibran

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The problem is with the people who think Pakistan army is a divine institution , it can do no wrong and it can't be questioned...... No laws of sharia is appilcable to Army, they can kill or abduct any innocent person solely on suspision and Allah will still be on their side.

Like any other institution Pak army has acheievements as well as failures and blunders to his name.

We lost 1971 ,if pakistan army was a divine institution, we would have never suffered humiliating defeat.

So boot walas need to understand that if Pak Army do something wrong it can be criticized and if it does good it should be praised....

Even Hazrat Umar was furious at Hazrat Khalid Bin walid (the sword of Allah) when he came to know that he killed a muslim, he forced Hazrat e Abu Bakr siddiqui to summon him back from an expedition. Imagine the guy who conqured two empires and was a Companion of Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم was held accountable for killing an innocent muslim but that news turned out to be a rumour.



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WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جس جس کے پاکستان دشمن لیڈر کی دم کٹتی جا رہی ہے اسے
ھواں آگ لگی ہوئی ہے اور منہ سے جلاب لگے ھوے ہیں
 

Landmark

Minister (2k+ posts)
So boot walas needs to understand that if Pak Army do something wrong it can be criticized and if it dose good it should be praised....

The problem is with the people who thinks Pakistan army is a divine institution , it can do no wrong and it can't be questioned...... No laws of sharia is appilcable to Army, they can kill or abduct any innocent person solely on suspension and Allah will still be on their side.

Like any other institution Pak army has acheievements as well as failures and blunders to his name.

We lost 1971 ,if pakistan army was a divine institution, we would have never suffered humiliating defeat.

So boot walas needs to understand that if Pak Army do something wrong it can be criticized and if it dose good it should be praised....



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Pakistan Paindabad
 

Lord Botta

Minister (2k+ posts)
Its more of a "Noha" than a question. I wonder if you live on Mars or what? People have very genuine grievances when it comes to Army. Their middling into politics , their financial affairs , the way they try to dictate their terms to elected governments etc are some concrete issues due to which Army is taken to the cleaners. The only thing which shall make this incomprehensible for you is your blind love for Army and dictators.
 

Lord Botta

Minister (2k+ posts)
No one believes that Army and ISI are so strong that they can nab any opposing voice. After all their own GHQ was besieged by Taliban in broad day light and several of ISI offices have been targeted. They are incompetent to the core when its about their job. If we (Army haters per you) roam free , no thanks to them.
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Our problem with is our army is our sovereignty that is under their boots.
our votes are changed and rigged election deprive us from our basic right of self determination.
Army acts like a gang without any check and balance , there is no concept of army accountability.
We want to make our army accountable for each wrong doing in public courts.
Army got a super status no one can talk against them specially the rogue intelligence agency who has destroyed Pakistan is untouchable
for the fact of being supreme they have looted and plundered the country
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The problem is with the people who think Pakistan army is a divine institution , it can do no wrong and it can't be questioned...... No laws of sharia is appilcable to Army, they can kill or abduct any innocent person solely on suspension and Allah will still be on their side.

Like any other institution Pak army has acheievements as well as failures and blunders to his name.

We lost 1971 ,if pakistan army was a divine institution, we would have never suffered humiliating defeat.

So boot walas need to understand that if Pak Army do something wrong it can be criticized and if it does good it should be praised....

Even Hazrat Umar was furious at Hazrat Khalid Bin walid (the sword of Allah) when he came to know that he killed a muslim, he forced Hazrat e Abu Bakr siddiqui to summon him back from an expedition. Imagine the guy who conqured so two empires were held accountable for killing an innocent muslim but that news turned out to be a rumour.



Pak Army zindabad
Pakistan Paindabad
For a change I fully agree with you. Past record of our forces has been tainted to say the least, specially with its unbridled interference in civilian rule of this country and that interference still effects us to this day because of the destruction wreaked by their offspring like Bhutto and The Sharifs.

But like all things and people, a new page can be turned and I believe it has and they are going back to role for which they were originally created for, to serve and protect the country from all threats and enemies inside and outside the borders.

Sanity has started to prevail and they have made it very clear they do not want to interfere this time round and I am more than willing to give them a chance. Civil military relations are at all time high, which by no way means anything other than what is written, there is no hidden meaning to be extracted from between the lines. Like the usual of Military puppet leader and so on.

To debunk that theory. Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one, if this was a military installed govt. It would be have won with a 3/4th majority, And not a weak coalition govt with rag tag self entitled demanding dozen or so coalition partners.

And if it tries to do anymore shenanigans again like it did in the past, I will be the first one to criticize it.
 

Muhammad Jibran

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For a change I fully agree with you. Past record of our forces has been tainted to say the least, specially with its unbridled interference in civilian rule of this country and that interference still effects us to this day because of the destruction wreaked by their offspring like Bhutto and The Sharifs.

But like all things and people, a new page can be turned and I believe it has and they are going back to role for which they were originally created for, to serve and protect the country from all threats and enemies inside and outside the borders.

Sanity has started to prevail and they have made it very clear they do not want to interfere this time round and I am more than willing to give them a chance. Civil military relations are at all time high, which by no way means anything other than what is written, there is no hidden meaning to be extracted from between the lines. Like the usual of Military puppet leader and so on.

To debunk that theory. Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one, if this was a military installed govt. It would be have won with a 3/4th majority, And not a weak coalition govt with rag tag self entitled demanding dozen or so coalition partners.

And if it tries to do anymore shenanigans again like it did in the past, I will be the first one to criticize it.
To disappoint you Mushraff installed gov was also rag tag, besides you are being optimistic because this time it is you who have benefited from military intervention... :)

Lets see how the ride goes and where is ends....
 

Muhammad Jibran

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For a change I fully agree with you. Past record of our forces has been tainted to say the least, specially with its unbridled interference in civilian rule of this country and that interference still effects us to this day because of the destruction wreaked by their offspring like Bhutto and The Sharifs.

But like all things and people, a new page can be turned and I believe it has and they are going back to role for which they were originally created for, to serve and protect the country from all threats and enemies inside and outside the borders.

Sanity has started to prevail and they have made it very clear they do not want to interfere this time round and I am more than willing to give them a chance. Civil military relations are at all time high, which by no way means anything other than what is written, there is no hidden meaning to be extracted from between the lines. Like the usual of Military puppet leader and so on.

To debunk that theory. Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one, if this was a military installed govt. It would be have won with a 3/4th majority, And not a weak coalition govt with rag tag self entitled demanding dozen or so coalition partners.

And if it tries to do anymore shenanigans again like it did in the past, I will be the first one to criticize it.
Thank you for agreeing :)
 

Munawarkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
So boot walas needs to understand that if Pak Army do something wrong it can be criticized and if it dose good it should be praised....

Yes, absolutely right.

What about things that they are accused of doing?
do they get benefit of doubt, or they are bashed in media.
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
To disappoint you Mushraff installed gov was also rag tag, besides you are being optimistic because this time it is you who have benefited from military intervention... :)

Lets see how the ride goes and where is ends....
No not disappointed at all, what I basically meant was even a broken clock is right twice a day And mushy was nothing but a power hungry dictator, he drowned us in US's war on terror for which we paid a very heavy price are still paying it till today. Gave a free hand to Altaf in Karachi and he is the one who gave NRO to all these criminals for which we once again are still paying the price for.
 

Munawarkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
No one believes that Army and ISI are so strong that they can nab any opposing voice. After all their own GHQ was besieged by Taliban in broad day light and several of ISI offices have been targeted. They are incompetent to the core when its about their job. If we (Army haters per you) roam free , no thanks to them.
If they were incompetent, we would by Syria by now.
 

Munawarkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Our problem with is our army is our sovereignty that is under their boots.
our votes are changed and rigged election deprive us from our basic right of self determination.
Army acts like a gang without any check and balance , there is no concept of army accountability.
We want to make our army accountable for each wrong doing in public courts.
Army got a super status no one can talk against them specially the rogue intelligence agency who has destroyed Pakistan is untouchable
for the fact of being supreme they have looted and plundered the country

That's a first time I have seen army accused of changing votes in election.
Thankfully, Pakistanis are not stupid enough to believe this.
 

Lord Botta

Minister (2k+ posts)
If they were incompetent, we would by Syria by now.
This is no argument. It is just a speculation coined by Army lovers. Army did fight against terrorism after breeding the same terrorists themselves so again no thanks to them. Terrorism in Pakistan is a consequence of Army's Afghan policy and the common people just became a fodder of Army's endeavours and lust for power
 
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