37th Hearing || Justice Qazi Faez Isa Case || details by Siddique Jaan

[Diesel]

ye judges taxpayers ka paisa barbad kar raha hein.. is chor qazi ko bola kar moneytrail pochi jati Agar moneytrail na provide karta then isko farigh kara daite.. pichle 1 year sa 2 din ke case ko more than 1 year howa Lekin abi tak is par itefaq nahi ho raha ke ZULAIKHA MARD TI YA ORAT..

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I have explained it already in detail why constitution and laws of pakistan need some overhauling.

It is not fault of corrupt people if they loot people because people want to remain ignorant and stupid. If people educate themselves then they can react appropriately to situations.

When people want everything for free without doing the needed work and making needed sacrifices then the corrupt take over a society and do what they like with it. They make the constitution and they make its laws as it suits them.

Understand one thing very clearly, people cannot make right decisions if the system is based upon corruption. So if people want better life as a community they need to work as one people and support each other fully and see all corrupt run for their lives.

To start with, campaign for changes in the constitution in such a way that the constitution becomes logically consistent. Do not stop this campaign till the constitution is completely overhauled. Once the constitution is overhauled properly then it should work fine. I have explained how it can be done in great detail in my work on the quran.

As for case of justice eesa, there is no point is losing heart over it. Because the positive side is, it will definitely expose to sensible people of pakistan what is wrong with the constitution of pakistan. So it is up to people to force their government to fix things in the favour of proper justice. This also means people need to stand with the government so that government could change things the way they should be.

At least this government of imran khan is doing whatever it can to expose the system. It cannot change the system without help and full support of people of pakistan. Moreover things do take time, particularly if public at large is not literate or educated as much as it should be. No one is supposed to be above the law, not a person or any institution and its people. For so long as people ignore this approach nothing much can change in paksitan. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

Mughal Sahib . Tell me what is the difference between Ik and Boot regime ? Can they both are the same or one is different than the other ? If it is different than Musharraf Regime , then what is the difference . Who do you think is running the present Government , Ik or Boots ? Do you consider IK the Quide E Azam Doem ?

 

[Dr Adam]

ڈاکٹر صاب، اس قوم نے بھی پھیر بھگوڑے کے ساتھ ٹھیک ہی کیا ہے ، لیکن آپ جیسے سمجھ بوجھ رکھنے والے فرد سے ایک نسے ہوئے جرنل کی تعریفیں سن کر یقین جانیے بڑی خوشی ہوئ ، جب آپ جیسے صاحب علم ، صاحب فراست ، علم اور دلیل کی شمع روشن کرنے والا صاحب اسرار قانون اور آئین کو قدموں تلے روندنے والے کی حسب توفیق حمایت کرسکتے ہیں تو پھر میرے جیسے ماڑہ بندہ رستے میں گری ہوئ گنڈیریوں پر ہی اک اکتفا نہ کرے تو پھر کیا کرے ۔​

قاسم جی! مملکت خدا داد کے ایک بڑے ہی محترم صدر صاحب تھے غالبا ان کا نام فیلڈ مارشل محمد ایوب خان تھا، انہوں نے ایک خبطی کو جو انہیں ڈیڈی کہا کرتا تھا کو زمین سے اٹھا کر آسمان پر پہنچا دیا تھا . یہ خبطی شخص جسے عزت راس نہ آئی جلد ہی اپنے آپے سے باہر ہو گیا اور پھر ایک دوسرے اللہ لوگ بندے نے، وہ بھی اس ملک کے صدر رہے اور جن کا نام تاریخ کی کتابوں میں جنرل محمد ضیاء الحق درج ہے انہوں نے اس خبطی کو اس کی اوقات میں لا کر ٹھڈے مار کر نکالا اور پھر آپ کی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے پھانسی پر لٹکا دیا . درویش صدر لیکن ایک غلطی کر گئے کہ ایک تیسرے درجے کے دو نمبری جرائم پیشہ لوہار کو جو بھٹی میں سکریپ کی ویلڈنگ کرتا تھا کو وہاں سے اٹھا کر اس قوم پر مسلط کر گئے . لوہار صاب جب اپنی اوقات سے باہر ہوا تو ایک اور مرد مجاہد اٹھے جو پاکستان کے صدر رہے اور جن کا نام جنرل پرویز مشرف ہے انہوں نے ملک بچانے کے لیے اس دو نمبری لوہار کو ٹھڈے مار مار کر اٹک قلعے میں مہمان بنا کر بند کر دیا اور پھر آپ کی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے اسکی بدمعاشیوں کے باعث ٢٥ سال کی سزا سنا کر ملک بدر کر دیا . اس کے بعد اپنی روائتی چالاکیوں کی وجہ سے جب تیسری مرتبہ اس ڈاکو لوہار کی لوٹ مار آسمانوں تک پہنچی تو آپ کی اسی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے پھر سے ٹھڈے مار مار کر باہر نکال دیا اور جیل میں بند کرنے کا حکم دیا اور اس مجھے "کیوں نکالا" فیم کو آئیندہ ہمیشہ ہمیشہ کے لیے اس پر سیاست کرنے کے تمام دروازے بند کر دیے
اس ملک کی تاریخ گواہ ہے کہ الحمدللہ اس ملک کے تمام محب وطن معزز جرنیل جو اس ملک کو رسہ گیروں اور ڈاکوؤں کے چنگل سے نکال کر بچا کر گئے ان کے دامن پر اس ملک کی ایک کوڑی کی ہیرا پھیری کا بھی کوئی داغ نہیں ہے . اس کے مقابلے میں لاڑکانہ کے خبطی لونڈے سے شروع کریں تو ہال آف شیم کی صف میں ایک سے ایک بڑا سویلین ڈاکو نظر آئے گا...... بے نظیر، باؤ نواز، نکا شہباز، حمزہ شہباز، آصف زرداری، ملتان کا گیلانی، گجر خان کا پرویز اشرف، مری کا پہاڑی بکرا شاہد خاقان عباسی اور ان تمام چوروں کے سہولت کار اور ان کے حواری.... کن کن اور لوگوں کا نام گنوائیں آپ کو میرے قاسم بھیا . آپ کے اور میرے آباؤ اجداد نے یہ ملک ہم لوگوں کے لیے بنایا تھا جہاں ہم اور ہماری اولادیں چین و سکون سے الله کی عبادت کریں، محنت مزدوری کر کے خود بھی حلال رزق کمائیں اور اپنے بچوں کے منہ میں بھی رزق حلال ڈالیں . سیاسی معاملات سے قطع نظر میرے دل میں آپ کی بہت عزت ہے، آپ اپنے دل پر ہاتھ رکھ کر سوچیں اور ٹھنڈے دل سے غور کریں کہ کیا ہمارے بزرگوں کا مطمع نظر یہ نہیں تھا ؟؟؟

اب فیصلہ آپ نے کرنا ہے کہ وردی والے صحیع تھے یا آپ کی سپریم کورٹ ؟

میں نے آپ کے سوال کا جواب دینے کا اپنا حق استعمال کر لیا ہے اور اب یہ باب بند اور مزید اور کوئی بحث نہیں ہو گی​

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

قاسم جی! مملکت خدا داد کے ایک بڑے ہی محترم صدر صاحب تھے غالبا ان کا نام فیلڈ مارشل محمد ایوب خان تھا، انہوں نے ایک خبطی کو جو انہیں ڈیڈی کہا کرتا تھا کو زمین سے اٹھا کر آسمان پر پہنچا دیا تھا . یہ خبطی شخص جسے عزت راس نہ آئی جلد ہی اپنے آپے سے باہر ہو گیا اور پھر ایک دوسرے اللہ لوگ بندے نے، وہ بھی اس ملک کے صدر رہے اور جن کا نام تاریخ کی کتابوں میں جنرل محمد ضیاء الحق درج ہے انہوں نے اس خبطی کو اس کی اوقات میں لا کر ٹھڈے مار کر نکالا اور پھر آپ کی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے پھانسی پر لٹکا دیا . درویش صدر لیکن ایک غلطی کر گئے کہ ایک تیسرے درجے کے دو نمبری جرائم پیشہ لوہار کو جو بھٹی میں سکریپ کی ویلڈنگ کرتا تھا کو وہاں سے اٹھا کر اس قوم پر مسلط کر گئے . لوہار صاب جب اپنی اوقات سے باہر ہوا تو ایک اور مرد مجاہد اٹھے جو پاکستان کے صدر رہے اور جن کا نام جنرل پرویز مشرف ہے انہوں نے ملک بچانے کے لیے اس دو نمبری لوہار کو ٹھڈے مار مار کر اٹک قلعے میں مہمان بنا کر بند کر دیا اور پھر آپ کی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے اسکی بدمعاشیوں کے باعث ٢٥ سال کی سزا سنا کر ملک بدر کر دیا . اس کے بعد اپنی روائتی چالاکیوں کی وجہ سے جب تیسری مرتبہ اس ڈاکو لوہار کی لوٹ مار آسمانوں تک پہنچی تو آپ کی اسی سپریم کورٹ نے اسے پھر سے ٹھڈے مار مار کر باہر نکال دیا اور جیل میں بند کرنے کا حکم دیا اور اس مجھے "کیوں نکالا" فیم کو آئیندہ ہمیشہ ہمیشہ کے لیے اس پر سیاست کرنے کے تمام دروازے بند کر دیے
اس ملک کی تاریخ گواہ ہے کہ الحمدللہ اس ملک کے تمام محب وطن معزز جرنیل جو اس ملک کو رسہ گیروں اور ڈاکوؤں کے چنگل سے نکال کر بچا کر گئے ان کے دامن پر اس ملک کی ایک کوڑی کی ہیرا پھیری کا بھی کوئی داغ نہیں ہے . اس کے مقابلے میں لاڑکانہ کے خبطی لونڈے سے شروع کریں تو ہال آف شیم کی صف میں ایک سے ایک بڑا سویلین ڈاکو نظر آئے گا...... بے نظیر، باؤ نواز، نکا شہباز، حمزہ شہباز، آصف زرداری، ملتان کا گیلانی، گجر خان کا پرویز اشرف، مری کا پہاڑی بکرا شاہد خاقان عباسی اور ان تمام چوروں کے سہولت کار اور ان کے حواری.... کن کن اور لوگوں کا نام گنوائیں آپ کو میرے قاسم بھیا . آپ کے اور میرے آباؤ اجداد نے یہ ملک ہم لوگوں کے لیے بنایا تھا جہاں ہم اور ہماری اولادیں چین و سکون سے الله کی عبادت کریں، محنت مزدوری کر کے خود بھی حلال رزق کمائیں اور اپنے بچوں کے منہ میں بھی رزق حلال ڈالیں . سیاسی معاملات سے قطع نظر میرے دل میں آپ کی بہت عزت ہے، آپ اپنے دل پر ہاتھ رکھ کر سوچیں اور ٹھنڈے دل سے غور کریں کہ کیا ہمارے بزرگوں کا مطمع نظر یہ نہیں تھا ؟؟؟

اب فیصلہ آپ نے کرنا ہے کہ وردی والے صحیع تھے یا آپ کی سپریم کورٹ ؟

میں نے آپ کے سوال کا جواب دینے کا اپنا حق استعمال کر لیا ہے اور اب یہ باب بند اور مزید اور کوئی بحث نہیں ہو گی​

آخری دفعہ میں نے دیکھا تھا تو پاکستان کا نام اسلامی جمہوریہ پاکستان تھا ۔ آپ نے تو تشویش میں ڈال دیا کہ یہ بادشاہت میں بدل گیا اور اپن کو پتہ ہی نہیں لگا ۔ جواب کا شکریہ ، آپکا قیمتی وقت خوامخواہ ہی ضائع کیا ۔​

 

[Mughal1]

Mughal Sahib . Tell me what is the difference between Ik and Boot regime ? Can they both are the same or one is different than the other ? If it is different than Musharraf Regime , then what is the difference . Who do you think is running the present Government , Ik or Boots ? Do you consider IK the Quide E Azam Doem ?

azeezam zaidi qasim sb, no one is all in all nor can be. It is because we are all human beings who have limitations. This is why we should not expect of anyone what is beyond capability of a human being as an individual. People can accomplish a lot of things together but start has to be made from somewhere. This start first and foremost has to be knowledge about something one wishes to accomplish. This knowledge should encompass all essential aspects of the objective eg what it is about, why it is needed, how it can be accomplished etc etc.

For example, if we talk about creation of pakistan, we should not start from jinnah but go back in time to the time of the blessed final messenger of God. It was his understanding and explanation of the quranic message that helped people of that time to bring about a kingdom based upon guidance of God.

Muslims lost that context of the revelation of God which was the proper context of the quran that is why the kingdom based upon guidance of God that was brought about by the final messenger of God fell apart after him. When people lose contextualised knowledge about something they are also bound to lose whatever is based upon that knowledge. We muslims are lucky we still have the quran with us in its original form as well as history of that time as written by people as much as they could collect.

So we are still able to reestablish the quranic context of its message properly though it is a very, very hard work. In last couple of centuries a few people have made great contributions. For example, sir syed ahmed khan marhoom realised that the quran has to be explained rationally and in accordance with real word realities. Before this people used to take the quran as a holy book of religion of islam, this is why all tafaseer of the quran ever written by people are religion based ie cut off from real world realities and full of irrational nonsense.

This is why the quran was taken just as another holy book of religion like vedas or avesta or old testament or new testament etc. All discussions and debates on the quran were of that nature between muslim and nonmuslim scholars throughout time. Sir syed was later followed by hameeduddin farahi marhoom who tried to explain to people that the quran must be read in context. Before that time people used to read the quranic verses randomly and context of the quranic text was totally ignored.

They were followed by iqbal marhoom. His main contribution was, the quranic context is that of deen and not of a mazhab. So the quran must be studied in that context. It was his this understanding of the quran that helped him think about having a place wherein deen of islam could be implemented as it is. He did not live long but his communication with jinnah marhoom helped jinnah understand his vision.

Jinnah's main contribution is creation of pakistan but he did not live long after that to implement deen of islam. There was no already worked out constitution for pakistan before its creation as it was desired by iqbal and jinnah. After these people those who took over pakistan did not bother much with the quran and deen of islam. This is why we ended up where we are today. Whatever almost all powerful people from among us did they did it not for the people or the country or pakistan but for themselves and their families. They opposed tooth and nail the land reforms for example which is absolutely necessary to put the country on the right track. It is because this system makes most of its people slaves of a few masters.

Coming to your question about imran khan, I never said imran khan is able to put this country and its people right. It is because imran khan has little or no knowledge about actual deen of islam. However, he may be able to take things in better direction on basis of religion and secularism mixture. How far he will succeed in doing that only God knows. But it is a good thing that system is being exposed at a faster pace. Right system cannot come to pakistan till people learn deen of islam as it ought to be learned. This will take at least a generation or two even if we started doing that right now. It is because to take religion and secularism out of minds of people to replace them with actual deen of islam is not that easy. Mainly because almost all people who claim to be muslim are ignorant about how to bring about a constitution and its laws based properly upon the quranic text.

This is why even if imran khan knew deen of islam properly he needed time to educate people about it before they could support him for it. iqbal and Jinnah were not supported by people for creation of pakistan due to convincing people about deen of islam but because hindus also made life of muslims hell in idia here and there. Not only that there were going to be land reforms in united india so powerful people also thought they will be better off creating pakistan, so they did it for saving their lands and family wealth etc.

Regards and all the best.

 

[hurray]

Ten defense lawyers are trying hard to save one bloody crook , criminal, extortioner ,lair ,money launderer judge because he is one of them

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

azeezam zaidi qasim sb, no one is all in all nor can be. It is because we are all human beings who have limitations. This is why we should not expect of anyone what is beyond capability of a human being as an individual. People can accomplish a lot of things together but start has to be made from somewhere. This start first and foremost has to be knowledge about something one wishes to accomplish. This knowledge should encompass all essential aspects of the objective eg what it is about, why it is needed, how it can be accomplished etc etc.

For example, if we talk about creation of pakistan, we should not start from jinnah but go back in time to the time of the blessed final messenger of God. It was his understanding and explanation of the quranic message that helped people of that time to bring about a kingdom based upon guidance of God.

Muslims lost that context of the revelation of God which was the proper context of the quran that is why the kingdom based upon guidance of God that was brought about by the final messenger of God fell apart after him. When people lose contextualised knowledge about something they are also bound to lose whatever is based upon that knowledge. We muslims are lucky we still have the quran with us in its original form as well as history of that time as written by people as much as they could collect.

So we are still able to reestablish the quranic context of its message properly though it is a very, very hard work. In last couple of centuries a few people have made great contributions. For example, sir syed ahmed khan marhoom realised that the quran has to be explained rationally and in accordance with real word realities. Before this people used to take the quran as a holy book of religion of islam, this is why all tafaseer of the quran ever written by people are religion based ie cut off from real world realities and full of irrational nonsense.

This is why the quran was taken just as another holy book of religion like vedas or avesta or old testament or new testament etc. All discussions and debates on the quran were of that nature between muslim and nonmuslim scholars throughout time. Sir syed was later followed by hameeduddin farahi marhoom who tried to explain to people that the quran must be read in context. Before that time people used to read the quranic verses randomly and context of the quranic text was totally ignored.

They were followed by iqbal marhoom. His main contribution was, the quranic context is that of deen and not of a mazhab. So the quran must be studied in that context. It was his this understanding of the quran that helped him think about having a place wherein deen of islam could be implemented as it is. He did not live long but his communication with jinnah marhoom helped jinnah understand his vision.

Jinnah's main contribution is creation of pakistan but he did not live long after that to implement deen of islam. There was no already worked out constitution for pakistan before its creation as it was desired by iqbal and jinnah. After these people those who took over pakistan did not bother much with the quran and deen of islam. This is why we ended up where we are today. Whatever almost all powerful people from among us did they did it not for the people or the country or pakistan but for themselves and their families. They opposed tooth and nail the land reforms for example which is absolutely necessary to put the country on the right track. It is because this system makes most of its people slaves of a few masters.

Coming to your question about imran khan, I never said imran khan is able to put this country and its people right. It is because imran khan has little or no knowledge about actual deen of islam. However, he may be able to take things in better direction on basis of religion and secularism mixture. How far he will succeed in doing that only God knows. But it is a good thing that system is being exposed at a faster pace. Right system cannot come to pakistan till people learn deen of islam as it ought to be learned. This will take at least a generation or two even if we started doing that right now. It is because to take religion and secularism out of minds of people to replace them with actual deen of islam is not that easy. Mainly because almost all people who claim to be muslim are ignorant about how to bring about a constitution and its laws based properly upon the quranic text.

This is why even if imran khan knew deen of islam properly he needed time to educate people about it before they could support him for it. iqbal and Jinnah were not supported by people for creation of pakistan due to convincing people about deen of islam but because hindus also made life of muslims hell in idia here and there. Not only that there were going to be land reforms in united india so powerful people also thought they will be better off creating pakistan, so they did it for saving their lands and family wealth etc.

Regards and all the best.

Mughal Sahib . Thank you for your long reply and your time to getting in to detail of the things as you understood it to be . I am pretty much in tune with most of the things you have said about the culture, the society and the lack of knowledge of the people about the Deen of Islam . As you probably already know, I had been a regular reader of Talu e Islam magazine and have watched audio and video tapes of Elma Pervaiz on this topic .
May be I am a bit naive , but I think one of the reasons for the Quranic movement of Alama Pervaiz failed to took off is the lay back attitude of the his followers who were no doubt give their precious time to come to listen to his speeches , yet, they were not ready to put out their effort and sacrifices to accomplish what Alama Pervaiz envisioned .

Getting back to my questions . You only respond partially to my one question and you intentionally didn't reply my other two questions .
Having a desire to change something and actually putting an honest day of work to accomplish that change requires some character and some determination . When leaders compromise their principles, dilute their resolve and sell their dreams for patty things , the end result is a disaster and bear no fruit no matter how much one is sincere with their intentions and their objectives .
I am not going to elaborate anymore than I already have done and I think it is suffice to draw a conclusion what kind of change and in which direction this country is headed. May be I will omit my rest of the questions since it is not popular to raise such funky questions in the stream of smooth water sailing .

 

[bhaibarood]

آخری دفعہ میں نے دیکھا تھا تو پاکستان کا نام اسلامی جمہوریہ پاکستان تھا ۔ آپ نے تو تشویش میں ڈال دیا کہ یہ بادشاہت میں بدل گیا اور اپن کو پتہ ہی نہیں لگا ۔ جواب کا شکریہ ، آپکا قیمتی وقت خوامخواہ ہی ضائع کیا ۔​

Zaidi bhai kis kanjrul Nasl daangr ke moon lagtey ho yeh messnaa khud beghairata Generalon ki ghalati ka nateeja lagta hai, Hareimudhar kis tarah apney bapon ko bacha gaya, iskey nazdeek Zia mardood aur Musharaf beghairaton ne koi corruption nahi ki.
Mushraff sirf Dubai aur UK main flats ka malik bana gaya bethey bitahieye ?

 

[aneeskhan]

If a corrupt survives from the highest court of Pakistan means
No point for Pakistan to go forward.
Here accused already accepted the guilt.
But Judges are questioning
1. The person informed was credible for information?
2. Where it is written that Judge needs to explain ill gotten corruption of his family like Sharifs stand ask Hassan Hussain Hamza n Salman as now property n corrupt money is with them. Zardari says ask Faluda Wala not me?
If Qazi Isa gets green chit then Judges will do openly by advertisements corruption .
Pakistan Ka Allah hi Hafiz

 

[aneeskhan]

Zaidi bhai kis kanjrul Nasl daangr ke moon lagtey ho yeh messnaa khud beghairata Generalon ki ghalati ka nateeja lagta hai, Hareimudhar kis tarah apney bapon ko bacha gaya, iskey nazdeek Zia mardood aur Musharaf beghairaton ne koi corruption nahi ki.
Mushraff sirf Dubai aur UK main flats ka malik bana gaya bethey bitahieye ?

Bhai Don’t blame wrong
Eik Ardali Se Chief Commander nor any politician nor Iftikhar ch blamed Musharraf or Zia did RS 100 Corruption.
Other blames are thousands
Broken Constitution
Took sides of USA
Killed Bughti
Killed Bhutto s
But neither Bhutto nor Sharifs ever blamed to Musharraf or Zia doing Corruption.
In your anger against Wardi please don’t put wrong blame that is not up to your grace. In Army those did corruption like Kayani , Rizwan , Raheel everyone knows from Ardali to current COAS , but for Musharraf n Zia you will never listen a word for doing corruption or intention to do it.

 

[786imran]

بھائی صاحب اس پر تو یہ الزام ہی نہیں ھے کہ اس نے پارٹی فنڈنگ اپنے ذاتی اکاونٹس میں لی تھی۔۔۔۔

Bhai ilzam yehi hai agar imran khan case open honay day tu $23m ke transaction

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Bhai ilzam yehi hai agar imran khan case open honay day tu $23m ke transaction

Open kesay Honay Dey. Inki Tu Maa Mar Jati hay agar fair aur transparent inquiry ho. Apnay kartooto ko chupanay kay leye appnay jesa hi naya election commission bhi chun lya hai aur wo khoti ka bhi vhup kar kay baitha howa hai.

 

[Diesel]

Open kesay Honay Dey. Inki Tu Maa Mar Jati hay agar fair aur transparent inquiry ho. Apnay kartooto ko chupanay kay leye appnay jesa hi naya election commission bhi chun lya hai aur wo khoti ka bhi vhup kar kay baitha howa hai.

abbay jalandri dopiaze.. teri zaban fazol qeenchi ki tara chalti ha.. lode kabi koch kam ki bat bi kar barwa

 

[ahameed]

Bhai ilzam yehi hai agar imran khan case open honay day tu $23m ke transaction

جی ٹھیک ھے شکریہ بھائی ۔ کوئی نیوز لنک بھیج سکتے ہیں کہ 24 ملین ڈالر پارٹی فنڈ اس کے ذاتی اکاونٹس میں آئے؟؟؟