2 Pakistani Hindu youtubers presenting a beautiful image of Pakistan to World

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
that leaves you the only traitor among these forums you should be ashamed even Hindus love Pakistan but you hate everything about pakistan
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
STOP BEGGING the WORLD FOR +IVE IMAGE
STOP BEGGING the WORLD FOR +IVE IMAGE
STOP BEGGING the WORLD FOR +IVE IMAGE

There is nothing WRONG with Pakistan. If some one want's to believe in LIES let them bark. We should only care about national security rest is bullshit.

Terrorism, Fanaticial Extremisim, Racism is a culture of the West and India. We don't have these problems as bark upon by liberal bastards in the media.
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Being honest and criticizing the ills in your society doesn't make you a traitor, it makes you a patriot.

Traitors are those who hide the bad things instead of fighting them.
living in western countries and not doing anything yourself to change Pakistan and only criticize is no way for fixing society if you want to fix society get up from your lazy ass and do something
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Being honest and criticizing the ills in your society doesn't make you a traitor, it makes you a patriot.

Traitors are those who hide the bad things instead of fighting them.

The way Pakistani media shows us the truth, most of the time we don't know the context hence any critical anti-Pakistan behaviour most of the time falls in the realm of stupidity.

Unless you own the Foreign Policy magazine there is very little that can be criticised with certainty.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Oh believe me, with Pakistan there are many things to criticize with Absolute certainty.

The way Pakistani media shows us the truth, most of the time we don't know the context hence any critical anti-Pakistan behaviour most of the time falls in the realm of stupidity.

Unless you own the Foreign Policy magazine there is very little that can be criticised with certainty.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The people responsible for change in European societies such as Kant, Descartes, Hume, Adam Smith, Rosseau, Diterot, Beccaria, Montesquieu and others were writers and changed Europe through their writings and teachings most of them did it from outside their own country.

Most of the laws you have in Pakistan, religion being involved in governance, favouritism being given to a particular religion, death penalties for criticizing a particular religion, inter-religious marriages not being allowed etc, the same laws were there in Europe in 1700s. Pakistani society is only a few centuries behind Europe but we will catch up eventually the best we can do is educate people and give it some time.


living in western countries and not doing anything yourself to change Pakistan and only criticize is no way for fixing society if you want to fix society get up from your lazy ass and do something
 

Raiwind-Destroyer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The people responsible for change in European societies such as Kant, Descartes, Hume, Adam Smith, Rosseau, Diterot, Beccaria, Montesquieu and others were writers and changed Europe through their writings and teachings most of them did it from outside their own country.

Most of the laws you have in Pakistan, religion being involved in governance, favouritism being given to a particular religion, death penalties for criticizing a particular religion, inter-religious marriages not being allowed etc, the same laws were there in Europe in 1700s. Pakistani society is only a few centuries behind Europe but we will catch up eventually the best we can do is educate people and give it some time.

if you think religion is the reason why Pakistan did not progress then you are the most stupid person on the face of this earth and I guess you might be Ahmadi or islamili who feel like did not get rights and now come here to bash Pakistan I can understand you messed up agenda

if you look in most of the European countries religion was always the bases of any law the only problem we had is the people who are not willing to do it sincerely its always the people, not the religion

If religion is implemented in its true forum and people start living their life according to real values of Islam Pakistan will 100% progress but its unfortunate we have manipulated religion for our own benefit so it's not religion it's the people to blame and it's we who need to get fixed not the religion
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The people responsible for change in European societies such as Kant, Descartes, Hume, Adam Smith, Rosseau, Diterot, Beccaria, Montesquieu and others were writers and changed Europe through their writings and teachings most of them did it from outside their own country.

Most of the laws you have in Pakistan, religion being involved in governance, favouritism being given to a particular religion, death penalties for criticizing a particular religion, inter-religious marriages not being allowed etc, the same laws were there in Europe in 1700s. Pakistani society is only a few centuries behind Europe but we will catch up eventually the best we can do is educate people and give it some time.

Religion is what society believes. Don't bullshit me without your incompetence by holding the European fingers.

Blaming everything on Religion is finding a scapegoat for you incompetence.

If religion was such a decisive factor we wudn't be tied out with the common crimes that happen in our society.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats what it should be but in Pakistan religion is much more than just what society believes. It interferes with State and Law as it did when the Church was in power in Europe. All the developed countries have passed this stage and Pakistan will too.

Religion is what society believes. Don't bullshit me without your incompetence by holding the European fingers.

Blaming everything on Religion is finding a scapegoat for you incompetence.

If religion was such a decisive factor we wudn't be tied out with the common crimes that happen in our society.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No I am not Ahmedi or Ismaeli, I was born in Sunni family and I have no agenda.

Yes when Europe was in the dark ages most of their laws were based on religion. Criticizing Christianity or believing in the wrong version of Christianity carried the death sentence in some European until the 1820s. This changed after the enlightenment in Europe and since then the newer laws are not based on religion but they are based on reason. This is why the West became much more successful than East since 18th century.

As for implementing religion in its true form there is no example in the 21st century of a country that implemented religion and gained prosperity. Its the opposite, countries that are more secular are more prosperous and there are many studies on this.

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if you think religion is the reason why Pakistan did not progress then you are the most stupid person on the face of this earth and I guess you might be Ahmadi or islamili who feel like did not get rights and now come here to bash Pakistan I can understand you messed up agenda

if you look in most of the European countries religion was always the bases of any law the only problem we had is the people who are not willing to do it sincerely its always the people, not the religion

If religion is implemented in its true forum and people start living their life according to real values of Islam Pakistan will 100% progress but its unfortunate we have manipulated religion for our own benefit so it's not religion it's the people to blame and it's we who need to get fixed not the religion
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats what it should be but in Pakistan religion is much more than just what society believes. It interferes with State and Law as it did when the Church was in power in Europe. All the developed countries have passed this stage and Pakistan will too.

We shud focus on fixing our education system not brains. Because the later improves only if the former show any sign of it.
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Soviet Union was the most anti-Religious regime to have existed since human existence. They destroyed mosques, churches, synagogues. Left Russia with an economic meltdown where women were selling themselves on the streets for a loaf of bread.

So don't feed propaganda with maligned data.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Soviet Union collapsed not because its stance on religion but because it followed an unsuccesful economic model. Also it was not a free society like the west so its not a good example. There is difference between areligious and anti religious.

But despite that they had second largest economy, largest military, world super power status and winner of space race.

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Soviet Union was the most anti-Religious regime to have existed since human existence. They destroyed mosques, churches, synagogues. Left Russia with an economic meltdown where women were selling themselves on the streets for a loaf of bread.

So don't feed propaganda with maligned data.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There are many countries around us that are succesful, we should look at their history and see what they did right and implement that system as we know it works.

Instead of following an illusion which hasnt worked for anyone since mideaval times. This has worked for Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, HongKong and it wlll work for Pakistan.

We shud focus on fixing our education system not brains. Because the later improves only if the former show any sign of it.
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Soviet Union collapsed not because its stance on religion but because it followed an unsuccesful economic model. Also it was not a free society like the west so its not a good example. There is difference between areligious and anti religious.

But despite that they had second largest economy, largest military, world super power status and winner of space race.

Read your graph "Wealth and Religiousity" don't go here and there.
Soviet was as ATHEISTIC as any govt. cud be. Don't bullshit with x, y on economic system.

You flawed logic suggests what if they used this economic model, well so what. Iran, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia cud have sold oil in a their currency. What if's are good for books and nothing more.