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muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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میرے گھر میں چوری ہو گئی والدین بڑھے تھے اور چوروں نے اس کمزوری کا فائدہ اٹھا کر بہت کچھ زبردستی چھین لیا۔ والدین پھر بھی یقین رکھتے تھے کہ چور اپنی ضرورت کی چیز لے گئے شاید اُن کو اس کی زیادہ ضرورت تھی۔ میں ایک متوسط طبقے کے گھر سے تھا، اُن اشیاء کی ہمیں بھی بہت ضرورت تھی۔ لیکن بات سر جھکا کر مان لی، لیکن دل کو یقین نہ آیا۔

کچھ دیر بعد سوچنے سمجھنے سے بات واضع ہوئی کے والدین اپنی کمزوری کا ملال بھولنے کے لیے صبر کر بیٹھے۔ اگر میں وہاں ہوتا ۔۔۔ تو، لیکن اللہ کو جو منظور اُسے تقدیر کہتے ہیں۔

ایسی ہی چوری میرے لوگوں کے ساتھ پچھلے ۳۵، ۵۰ سال سے بھٹو اور شریف خاندانوں نے رچا رکھی ہے۔ یہ بھی شاید ہمارے سے پہلے نسلوں کی کمزوری ہی تھی۔ لیکن ہم ان کی نسل اور خاندانوں کی منطق اور اقتدار کو نہیں مانتے۔

اس ہی طرح ۳۰۰ سال پہلے انگریز ہندوستان آیا اور بہت سے فساد ہمارے درمیان چھوڑ گیا۔ چوڑ تو وہ تھا لیکن رسولﷺ کی اُمت سے مقابلے کے لیے زہنی فساد ڈال گیا۔ اصل جنگ تو زہنوں پر اقتدار ہے۔ پھر اُس کے لیے اپنے چیلے جو اُسکا نظام حکومت، تعلیم اور عدالت اب تک چلا رہے ہیں۔

اس بات ہی کے بنیاد پرقادیانی مذہب وجود میں آیا، کیونکہ انگریز نے ہمارے اباء کے ساتھ اصل جنگ زہن کی لڑی ہے۔ آزادی جو اسے کے اپنے ملک میں جولین اسانج کو سچ بولنے پر نہ مل سکی اُس کے چیلے یہاں پرچار کرتے ہیں۔ اُس کی تعلیم یافتہ نسل اب بنیادی قانون تو دورصحیح غلط میں فرق بھی تلاش نہیں کر سکتی ہے۔




کیا انگریزوں کے دل صاف تھے جب وہ ہندوستان میں آئے، کیا چوروں کے دل کی صفائی دیکھی جاتی ہے جب وہ چوری کرتے ہیں۔


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jigrot

Minister (2k+ posts)
You have to follow Company policy. If you don't follow company policy you will be fired, no job, no benefits, can't use the company name. What is the company policy? Some rules and regulations written by higher management.
We have a company, which is Islam. We have a company policy, Quran and Sunnah. If you follow Quran and Sunnah, you stay in the company. If you don't follow, you doesn't belong to Islam. You are not Muslim. Call it kafir, non Muslim or something els. One Allah and The last prophet is the important part of company policy.
 

Prince of Dhump

Senator (1k+ posts)
You have to follow Company policy. If you don't follow company policy you will be fired, no job, no benefits, can't use the company name. What is the company policy? Some rules and regulations written by higher management.
We have a company, which is Islam. We have a company policy, Quran and Sunnah. If you follow Quran and Sunnah, you stay in the company. If you don't follow, you doesn't belong to Islam. You are not Muslim. Call it kafir, non Muslim or something els. One Allah and The last prophet is the important part of company policy.
so the employ of company is muslim
the non-employee is non-muslim

just like the non-employee of the company does not make someone a chor by default..in the same vein a non-muslim is not kafir by default..
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
jigrot don't waste time on him. He is spamming by diverting attention from issue.
Please give me definition of Islam?
Also please give me one example from history of Islam where a group was declared non Muslim?
Yes we have examples of individuals like Mansoor Hallaj who was punished for his claim.
 

jigrot

Minister (2k+ posts)
so the employ of company is muslim
the non-employee is non-muslim

just like the non-employee of the company does not make someone a chor by default..in the same vein a non-muslim is not kafir by default..
Non Muslim and Kafirs, both are not Muslims. Yes, two different definitions for kafir and non-muslim
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Please give me definition of Islam?
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination.

When we believe Quran is the final unchanged word of Allah revealed. Then anyone adding/removing/changing/updating this message in any form is not a Muslim. Bcz Qadiani's made up their non-sense on top of it. Therefore they are not just excluded they are a different religion.


Also please give me one example from history of Islam where a group was declared non Muslim?

Musaylimah al-Kaddhab amassed an Army in thousands, Abu Bakar sent 3 Armies to kill him, the 3rd was successful. His wife Sajah al-Kahenah also declared herself to a prophet. Musaylimah was killed, while Sajah reversed her position, calling herself a liar. Here is a list of false prophets.

Declaring someone a non-Muslim does not make someone a non-Muslim. Similarly declaring oneself to be a prophet does not make you a prophet.

Mirza Qadiani lied declaring himself to be a prophet after Muhammad ﷺ. How can a belief based on top of lies be equated with Islam. It invalidates itself. Non-Muslim declaration does not matter except in law to prevent public abuse, before they are tricked into a lie.
 

Prince of Dhump

Senator (1k+ posts)
Please give me definition of Islam?
Also please give me one example from history of Islam where a group was declared non Muslim?
Yes we have examples of individuals like Mansoor Hallaj who was punished for his claim.
being a kafir has nothing todo with islam ?
nonetheless..the basic definition is kalma Tayyiba..
if someone is not following it that makes him non-muslim and not necessarily kafir

kafir has todo with the intent of someone and u cant know the intent of anyone

example can be seen in Quran
yahoodi isayi were nevar called kafir..but ahle Kitab
Non Muslim and Kafirs, both are not Muslims. Yes, two different definitions for kafir and non-muslim

a non-muslim can be kafir..and a non-muslim cannot be kafir
they are both not equal
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
لفظوں سے کھیلانا کا کوئی فائدہ نہیں۔

جب دونوں اسلام سے خارج تو بحث کرنے کا فائدہ صرف قادیانی کے جھوٹ کو تقویت دینا ہے۔

being a kafir has nothing todo with islam ?
nonetheless..the basic definition is kalma Tayyiba..
if someone is not following it that makes him non-muslim and not necessarily kafir

kafir has todo with the intent of someone and u cant know the intent of anyone

example can be seen in Quran
yahoodi isayi were nevar called kafir..but ahle Kitab


a non-muslim can be kafir..and a non-muslim cannot be kafir
they are both not equal
 

Prince of Dhump

Senator (1k+ posts)
لفظوں سے کھیلانا کا کوئی فائدہ نہیں۔

جب دونوں اسلام سے خارج تو بحث کرنے کا فائدہ صرف قادیانی کے جھوٹ کو تقویت دینا ہے۔
lafzo se kelne ki bat ni..
lafzo k asrat hote hai..aj jo 2takkay ki oqat hamari wo inhi be sir o paa fatwo ka nateeja hai
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination.
I partially agree with you. As per my research the definition of Islam is "Quran, Sunnah the one on which Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen agreed upon"
The means the only explanation in Islam will be accepted on which majority of Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen. An Ayah of Quran can be interpreted in many ways but will be acceptable what Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him explained and Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen understood.


When we believe Quran is the final unchanged word of Allah revealed. Then anyone adding/removing/changing/updating this message in any form is not a Muslim. Bcz Qadiani's made up their non-sense on top of it. Therefore they are not just excluded they are a different religion.
How many Ahmadi u met in your life? Can u share the Quran Ahamadi are following if its not the one we are following?

Musaylimah al-Kaddhab amassed an Army in thousands, Abu Bakar sent 3 Armies to kill him, the 3rd was successful. His wife Sajah al-Kahenah also declared herself to a prophet. Musaylimah was killed, while Sajah reversed her position, calling herself a liar. Here is a list of false prophets.
Did Aba Bakr Siddiq RA sent army against all self claimed Prophets? If not why only against Musaylimah al-Kaddhab?
Also did everyone in Musaylimah al-Kaddhab tribe was assassinated? If yes provide proof and if not why not?


Declaring someone a non-Muslim does not make someone a non-Muslim. Similarly declaring oneself to be a prophet does not make you a prophet.

Mirza Qadiani lied declaring himself to be a prophet after Muhammad ﷺ. How can a belief based on top of lies be equated with Islam. It invalidates itself. Non-Muslim declaration does not matter except in law to prevent public abuse, before they are tricked into a lie.

Again can u share one example from history of Islam where a group of people declared Kaafir who were claiming Muslim?

To be honest if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was claiming prophet he will face the wrath of Allah but without listening him Government cant declare him Kaffir.
Lets assume there are people who are his followers, if they believe Mirza Qadiani was a prophet then on individual basis must be tried and court for this but u can declare a whole group Kaffir.
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

جو پھر غیر مسلم یا کافر کی بحث کو چھیڑ کر ایک جھوٹے نبی کو صاف کرنے کی ضرورت بھی نہیں

lafzo se kelne ki bat ni..
lafzo k asrat hote hai..aj jo 2takkay ki oqat hamari wo inhi be sir o paa fatwo ka nateeja hai
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Are you a Qadiani?

I partially agree with you. As per my research the definition of Islam is "Quran, Sunnah the one on which Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen agreed upon"
The means the only explanation in Islam will be accepted on which majority of Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen. An Ayah of Quran can be interpreted in many ways but will be acceptable what Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him explained and Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen understood.


How many Ahmadi u met in your life? Can u share the Quran Ahamadi are following if its not the one we are following?


Did Aba Bakr Siddiq RA sent army against all self claimed Prophets? If not why only against Musaylimah al-Kaddhab?
Also did everyone in Musaylimah al-Kaddhab tribe was assassinated? If yes provide proof and if not why not?



Again can u share one example from history of Islam where a group of people declared Kaafir who were claiming Muslim?

To be honest if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was claiming prophet he will face the wrath of Allah but without listening him Government cant declare him Kaffir.
Lets assume there are people who are his followers, if they believe Mirza Qadiani was a prophet then on individual basis must be tried and court for this but u can declare a whole group Kaffir.
 

Prince of Dhump

Senator (1k+ posts)

جو پھر غیر مسلم یا کافر کی بحث کو چھیڑ کر ایک جھوٹے نبی کو صاف کرنے کی ضرورت بھی نہیں
jhootay nabi ka sawal hi ni yaha..
hamare rawayyo ki bat hai

kafir kehna esa bohtan hai jiski tasdeeq ek insan baharhal ni karsakte
zada se zada ap gher muslim keh sakte kisi ko
 

muhammadadeel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اُوپر موضوع پڑھ اپنا خیالی پلاؤ بنا کر مت بیچ

صرف جھوٹے نبی کے جھوٹ پر یہاں بات ہو رہی ہے تو ادھر اُدھر کی بونگیاں مار رہا ہے

jhootay nabi ka sawal hi ni yaha..
hamare rawayyo ki bat hai

kafir kehna esa bohtan hai jiski tasdeeq ek insan baharhal ni karsakte
zada se zada ap gher muslim keh sakte kisi ko
 
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