!مسئلہ کشمیر پر پاکستان کا موقف کیا ہے

!مسئلہ کشمیر پر پاکستان کا موقف کیا ہے

  • ١. کشمیر پاکستان کا حصہ ہے. آزادی کا مطلب بھارت کے زیر قبضہ حصے کا پاکستان کے ساتھ الحاق کرنا ہے

    Votes: 7 58.3%
  • ٢. کشمیر ایک الگ ملک ہے. آزادی کا مطلب بھارت کے زیر قبضہ حصے کو الگ ملک کی حیثیت سے آزاد کروانا ہے

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .

atensari

President (40k+ posts)
!اس تھریڈ کا مقصد صرف یہ جاننا ہے کے کسی پاکستانی سے یہ سوال کیا جائے تو اس کا فوری جواب کیا ہو گا
 
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Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
1st one is just wishful thinking, no one will just willingly give up territory.
2nd option although the right one, goes against Pakistan and Pakistani interests.
 

Mikkix

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan ne jo hashar baloch aur pathan ka kia hai. Kia kisi ko lagta hai kashmiri chutiya hain.
 

atensari

President (40k+ posts)
Shukriya magar bengalis se seekha hai.
پاکستان مخالف بنگالی جیت گئے، پاکستانی کے حامی ہار گئے اور آج تک اس کی قیمت ادا کر کر رہے ہیں
 

Wake up Pak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
2nd option is the right option as it is the will of the Kashmiri people to decide if, they want to be independent or be part of Pakistan?
 

atensari

President (40k+ posts)
2nd option is the right option as it is the will of the Kashmiri people to decide if, they want to be independent or be part of Pakistan?
"آپ کی خواہش اپنی جگہ لیکن سوال ہے "مسئلہ کشمیر پر پاکستان کا موقف کیا ہے

میرے خیال میں دنیا کی ٹھیکیداروں کی بھی یہی خواہش ہے. بھارت جب تک کشمیر کے حصے پر قبضہ قائم رکھنے میں کامیاب رہتا ہے ٹھیکیدار خاموشی سے تماشہ دیکھیں گے. انہیں جب بھی محسوس ہوا بھارت کے لئے ممکن نہیں رہا یا ان کے مطابق وقت آ گیا ہے وہ کشمیر کا الحاق پاکستان سے نہیں کریں گے بلکہ آزاد ریاست ہی بنائیں گے​
 
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Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Most Pakistanis find my POV controversial but I think it serves both the countries well and is the most practical. India is not giving up Kashmir without a fight and its going to be a long, bloody and expensive fight which none of us can afford right now and still no guarantee even after that.

And also if Kashmir becomes independent then it will want all of Kashmir back ,not just IoK but also PoK which basically means we will lose everything north of Sialkot till the Chinese border, so that definitely does not suit Pakistan and if we don't give that up then we become the occupiers not India.

SO in my opinion what is best is to declare the LOC as the permanent international border between India and Pakistan and end this issue once and for all.

Morally and in a perfect world 2nd option would be the best, but we don't live in a perfect world.

We want people of Kashmir to decide
it should be totally upto them.
2nd option is the right option as it is the will of the Kashmiri people to decide if, they want to be independent or be part of Pakistan?
"آپ کی خواہش اپنی جگہ لیکن سوال ہے "مسئلہ کشمیر پر پاکستان کا موقف کیا ہے

میرے خیال میں دنیا کی ٹھیکیداروں کی بھی یہی خواہش ہے. بھارت جب تک کشمیر کے حصے پر قبضہ قائم رکھنے میں کامیاب رہتا ہے ٹھیکیدار خاموشی سے تماشہ دیکھیں گے. انہیں جب بھی محسوس ہوا بھارت کے لئے ممکن نہیں رہا یا ان کے مطابق وقت آ گیا ہے وہ کشمیر کا الحاق پاکستان سے نہیں کریں گے بلکہ آزاد ریاست ہی بنائیں گے​
 

Shahid Abassi

Minister (2k+ posts)
There is no third option. Kashmir is an unfinished issue of the 1947 partition where all states, provinces and territories had only two options, go with India or Pakistan. The third option was negated to Hayderabad and NWFP too.
 

PkTruth

New Member
Blood start boiling when Kashmir comes in discussion. Please mark these following statements as most realistic, historic and factual truth

Background
. No.1 Division of subcontinent was based on religion and drawn a line of division with the exception that princely states should join either India or Pakistan. All princely states within India regardless these were muslims or non muslims were forced to join India that happend till 1970s in India. Kashmir was only muslim state which supposed to join Pakistan according to the spirit of the division formula, all kashmiri muslims wanted to join Pakistan but the ruler of state had other options in mind eg more autonmy or to buy more time for better leverage. One thing was sure he did know very well that joining India was not option because people did not want that. Here the political leadership had failed to talk with Mahraja as well as with the Indian Govt. People from Fata and other areas attaacked and moved into kashmir, looted people and also captured area(negative intentions turned positive for azad kashmir). If Govt of the day had any planned stratgey then more area could have been freed but there was none.
India went to UN and asked for plebiscite. That was a joke because refrendum did not happend in any princely state, not was option. Pakistan half heartdly been pursing the case in UN and got few success because lots of muslim countries in UN and that time Pakistan had a good image too. In 1965 General Ayoub attacked kashmir not because of to free the Kashmir but just because of to save his govt, own army was not aware about this blunder. Despite the failed stratgey still army moved deep into kashmir but Ayoub halted the operation just to send Yaha there to lead the role but it fired back and this unsuccessful attempt dispointed kashmiris as well as muslim world and also consolidate indian in kashmir for successful defending.
In 1971 Pakistan not only lost half of its country but also Kashmir, gave india in writing that we would not go to UN from now on and will resolve bilateral. In other words its third time surrender of Kashmir to India. Pakistan lost not only kashmir but also respect generally in whole world and specifically in muslim world.

Rescent History
When child born in Kashmir the first thing he get taught that he is Pakistani. Kashmiries gave more sacrifies more than india pakistan altogather for freedom and still continue. All world from east to west knows india forcefully occupied Kashmir and sometime they express it openly and sometime they keep quite but they know the fact. Here again Pakistani establishment and polticians have failed to take it to world. Pakistan has been stooge of western countries since its birth but never interested to take them on board for kashmir, never could put diplomatic pressure ever in last 70 years. Now Pakistan is extrmley weak and a very bad image because of terrorism and no one wants to listen to Pakistan.

Army Role in Kashmir
Pakistani army could have done a lot but as usual dont have sympthy for kashmiris, wherever they want to throw the civilian govt then they would start some kind of adventure with india in the name of kashmir and got beaten everytime eg Siachin, Kargil, 1965 etc. Pakistan used to be aggrsive on boundry line but not any more. Now india had made civilian life hell on line of control and also its riutine kill soldiers. In other words India turned the table. I have few questions here..
1. Why Pakistan accepted cease fire line as a LINE OF CONTROL. its literally means surrender of Kashmir for fourth time
2. WHY Pakistan army allowed India to put a FENCE on LINE OF CONTROL which is by all means DISPUTED AREA., again another sign of surrendering kashmir.
In other word Pakistani army was more than interested to give some tough time to india to avenge its defeats rather than to work and fight for kashmir freedom.
3. None of party can change status co of disputed area unilaterally but India did but our Army kept quite. fifth time surrender
4. Instead of fighting against forced occupation of india, every week there are statments from ispr that india want to attack pakistan through false flag..
India was preparing to attack Pakistan in coming months or years but its China who put it into its place and got our army bit relief.


Pakistani Politicians Views about Kashmir
In Pakistani politics Kashmir should have been the basic and fundamental core foundation of any political party constititution but none of the party give a dame care about it, only give few statemets when they think necessary to show the world but never been serious. In last 30 years there is a Kashmir committee and the head of that committee never give any statement against the killing, butchring, raping and kidnapping of indian army against the kashmiris. so Pathetic. In realty they dont think it should have or should be part of pakistan. Never tried to build diplomatic but we r so hypocrite.
Pakistan should have not any diplomatic relation till the solution of Kashmir problem but its other way around...so pathetic

Pakistani people views.
As a general term if we interview Pakistani people about kashmir then the following answers would be more common. First they would say what India is doing bad in kashmir , they would accept kashmiris are giving big time sacrifies but when ask what you think it should have been the part of Pakistan then their answers would be very strange as majority would say its upto kashmiris if they want to join pakistan then its ok, they would aslo say if india dont want to give kashmir to pakistan then at least there should have independent state of kashmir. What that shows as a whole nation we never accepted kashmir as a pakistan, otherwise we would not say like if india dont want to let kashmir join pakistan then there should have been the independent of kashmir as a country. Basically thats is biggest fact of truth as a nation we never accept kashmir as a Pakistan.

Indian View of Kashmir
At least Indian intellectuals are dame sure that kashmir is not part of India and it should have joined Pakistan and India occupying it by force. Indian public too have almost same feelings. Its Indian army and few politicial parties ideology for AKHAND BAHARAT for that purpose they want to keep Kashmir occupied and want to increase its occupation to further areas of Pakistan.
Now the thinking of this thread starter have put same question which shows Kashmir is not Pakistan...should be condemned

Sorry cannot write more, might be some other time. Excuse of english, not very good.
 

Diesel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
kashmir issue related to kashmiri people.. UN must give the right of self determination to kashmiri people
 
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