احمد دیدات نے زنا بل جبر اور پردہ پر سالوں پہلے کیا کہا تھا

[knowledge88]

Summary

Ahmed Deedat had said that women in North America and Europe are getting raped because of their dressing. Men burn inside when they see women in scanty clothes. He also said that God has made men like that.

Here is the detail : - - - - - -

I remember in 1996 I was a university student in Sydney Australia. I attended a session with Ahmed Deedat in Sydney Townhall.

A Christian woman asked him this question?

I've been told that women in Islam wear a veil because in this way men will treat them respectfully but I see the veil is a
form of oppression because why should they have to cover themselves because of the weakness of men shouldn't they be treated with respect regardless ? please explain the veil

Here is Ahmed Deedat response:

Ahmed Deedat :
Your people don't believe in that so you are inviting trouble you know because of this in America New York no woman is safe after that no woman is safe in France during daytime women have been raped in the street and people just walk by looking fancy or maybe they're enjoying themselves. no no * * * I said you are inviting it. * * * *

He further added


All that with bikinis and pangas and g-strings look it's attracting even an old man like me . there I tell you I'll be burning inside

I'm telling you this is the nature of Men. God made us like that.



See the above dialogue in this short video

 

[knowledge88]

In our neighboring country, India, A senior police officer on TV made similar controversial statement about rape a few years ago

"Provocative dress invites rape, says Andhra DGP"​

 

[atensari]

پاکستان انڈیا میں لاقانونیت کی وجہ سے اس جرم سمیت سب جرائم کی شرح بہت زیادہ ہے. مغرب جہاں قانون کے ہاتھ پاکستان انڈیا کے مقابلے میں کافی مضبوط ہیں وہاں جنسی ہراسگی اور دست درازگی کے واقعات کی وجوہات پاکستان سے مختلف ہیں​

 

[knowledge88]

پاکستان انڈیا میں لاقانونیت کی وجہ سے اس جرم سمیت سب جرائم کی شرح بہت زیادہ ہے. مغرب جہاں قانون کے ہاتھ پاکستان انڈیا کے مقابلے میں کافی مضبوط ہیں وہاں جنسی ہراسگی اور دست درازگی کے واقعات کی وجوہات پاکستان سے مختلف ہیں​

I fully agree with you . . .

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I fully agree with you . . .

And I fully agree with you.
انصاری بھائی سے پرانا پھڈا ہے

 

[Rambler]

پاکستان انڈیا میں لاقانونیت کی وجہ سے اس جرم سمیت سب جرائم کی شرح بہت زیادہ ہے. مغرب جہاں قانون کے ہاتھ پاکستان انڈیا کے مقابلے میں کافی مضبوط ہیں وہاں جنسی ہراسگی اور دست درازگی کے واقعات کی وجوہات پاکستان سے مختلف ہیں​

The main cause of rape is vulnerability. Its not that a woman wearing scanty clothes will be raped. it's just that clothes designed to enhance sex appeal cause already frustrated men to be more frustrated and may lead to rape of a vulnerable person around.

 

[Mujahid Ali Awan]

interesting debate

 

[Mocha7]

پاکستان انڈیا میں لاقانونیت کی وجہ سے اس جرم سمیت سب جرائم کی شرح بہت زیادہ ہے. مغرب جہاں قانون کے ہاتھ پاکستان انڈیا کے مقابلے میں کافی مضبوط ہیں وہاں جنسی ہراسگی اور دست درازگی کے واقعات کی وجوہات پاکستان سے مختلف ہیں​

سولہ آنے درست بات ہے ڈنگر وزیراعظم کو ہمارے اور مغربی معاشرے کا فرق ہی نہیں پتہ۔

 

[knowledge88]

The main cause of rape is vulnerability. Its not that a woman wearing scanty clothes will be raped. it's just that clothes designed to enhance sex appeal cause already frustrated men to be more frustrated and may lead to rape of a vulnerable person around.

That is not true in most rape cases.

In most cases, a rapist does not commit rape because he gets excited by running into a scantily clad woman. Give me one example where such things happen . In most cases rapists pre-plan, they look for their target. Remember in Zainab case, he waited for her parent to go for Umerah, Remember the case on the freeway, The rapist wouldn't have noticed how many clothes the woman was wearing in the car at night. He was an evil man, he had the opportunity and he raped her. You can go through most of such cases and you will notice that men who get excited by seeing a woman with few clothes do not rape her. On the other hand, a rapist has a different mindset. Lastly, in most rape cases, the victim of the rape knows the rapist, so it has nothing to do with what the woman is wearing on the day or night of the rape.

 

[atensari]

سولہ آنے درست بات ہے ڈنگر وزیراعظم کو ہمارے اور مغربی معاشرے کا فرق ہی نہیں پتہ۔

بہت سارے ڈنگروں کو بھی نہیں پتا. مغربی میں سخت قوانین کے باوجود جنسی جرائم نہیں رک رہے. پاکستان کے مومی قانون میں مغربی معاشرت کو فروغ دینے کے نتائج مزید بھیانک ہوں گے

 

[Sohail Shuja]

The main cause of rape is vulnerability. Its not that a woman wearing scanty clothes will be raped. it's just that clothes designed to enhance sex appeal cause already frustrated men to be more frustrated and may lead to rape of a vulnerable person around.

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/%D8%AC%D9%86%DA%A9%D9%88-%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%BE-%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A8%DB%92-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%91%D9%82-%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%AC%DA%BE-%D9%86%DB%81%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A2%D8%AA%D8%A7.790493/

 

[Sohail Shuja]

That is not true in most rape cases.

In most cases, a rapist does not commit rape because he gets excited by running into a scantily clad woman. Give me one example where such things happen . In most cases rapists pre-plan, they look for their target. Remember in Zainab case, he waited for her parent to go for Umerah, Remember the case on the freeway, The rapist wouldn't have noticed how many clothes the woman was wearing in the car at night. He was an evil man, he had the opportunity and he raped her. You can go through most of such cases and you will notice that men who get excited by seeing a woman with few clothes do not rape her. On the other hand, a rapist has a different mindset. Lastly, in most rape cases, the victim of the rape knows the rapist, so it has nothing to do with what the woman is wearing on the day or night of the rape.

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/%D8%AC%D9%86%DA%A9%D9%88-%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%BE-%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A8%DB%92-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%91%D9%82-%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%AC%DA%BE-%D9%86%DB%81%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A2%D8%AA%D8%A7.790493/

 

[Sohail Shuja]

بہت سارے ڈنگروں کو بھی نہیں پتا. مغربی میں سخت قوانین کے باوجود جنسی جرائم نہیں رک رہے. پاکستان کے مومی قانون میں مغربی معاشرت کو فروغ دینے کے نتائج مزید بھیانک ہوں گے

ہاں ٹھیک ہے، لیکن میں آپ کی بات سے اتفاق نہیں کر رہا، میرا پرانا جھگڑا ہے آپ سے۔​

 

[knowledge88]

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/%D8%AC%D9%86%DA%A9%D9%88-%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%BE-%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A8%DB%92-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%91%D9%82-%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%AC%DA%BE-%D9%86%DB%81%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A2%D8%AA%D8%A7.790493/

I read your response. It is interesting. But think for a second, if a criminal man can get excited by running into a scanty clad woman and then he finds his victim and rapes her then, isn't it more exciting for that criminal to have a full fledged porn on his mobile which all the criminals have then seeing a woman with few clothes? If there is any thing which could make a criminal commit rape it is more likely watching a porn then seeing a woman, don't you think ? Unless a person comes out of prison where he has never seen a woman for 10 years. He never had a mobile then on the street he finds Natalie Portman jogging in shorts and in bra and after watching bouncing boobs , this man turn into a beast and finds his victim and commits rape. This situation is highly unlikely.

 

[akinternational]

پاکستان انڈیا میں لاقانونیت کی وجہ سے اس جرم سمیت سب جرائم کی شرح بہت زیادہ ہے. مغرب جہاں قانون کے ہاتھ پاکستان انڈیا کے مقابلے میں کافی مضبوط ہیں وہاں جنسی ہراسگی اور دست درازگی کے واقعات کی وجوہات پاکستان سے مختلف ہیں​

Laqanuniyat+mukhatasr libas= Rape invitation

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I read your response. It is interesting. But think for a second, if a criminal man can get excited by running into a scanty clad woman and then he finds his victim and rapes her then, isn't it more exciting for that criminal to have a full fledged porn on his mobile which all the criminals have then seeing a woman with few clothes? If there is any thing which could make a criminal commit rape it is more likely watching a porn then seeing a woman, don't you think ? Unless a person comes out of prison where he has never seen a woman for 10 years. He never had a mobile then on the street he finds Natalie Portman jogging in shorts and in bra and then this man turn into a beast and finds his victim and commits rape. This situation is highly unlikely.

Again, as IK said in his interview that the concept of Purdah is not a veil alone. Think about it.

Secondly, it is hard to draw comparison between the rate of excitement through porn or through live visuals. Maybe one thing might be complimenting the other.

However, taking precautionary measures to save yourself is not something which should be shunned.

Now I am making an edit to my post. Please see after 10 minutes

 

[knowledge88]

Again, as IK said in his interview that the concept of Purdah is not a veil alone. Think about it.

Secondly, it is hard to draw comparison between the rate of excitement through porn or through live visuals. Maybe one thing might be complimenting the other.

However, taking precautionary measures to save yourself is not something which should be shunned.

Now I am making an edit to my post. Please see after 10 minutes

Sure. May be tomorrow. It is 1:30 here. I am turning in now.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

Sure. May be tomorrow. It is 1:30 here. I am turning in now.

You're east of Pak. Australia, maybe. Ok, Good night

 

[knowledge88]

You're east of Pak. Australia, maybe. Ok, Good night

Yes. Australia. Good night.

 

[karachiwala]

سولہ آنے درست بات ہے ڈنگر وزیراعظم کو ہمارے اور مغربی معاشرے کا فرق ہی نہیں پتہ۔

یار عقل نا ہو تو منہ کھولنا نہیں چاہیئے۔ نظر لگ جاتی ہے​