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    Why not combine all so called inventors & let them participate & contest for successful test drive all round the country using their HHO kit.. Or device a method to test run a car engine for some time 24hrs working...
    As engine temp & passenger safety is utmost important...
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    I think best way to prove the capabilities of his kit, is to run a electric generator with its (full load on) in a TV station being monitored 24 hours a day.
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    Why we all are persistent to run vehicles from Agha Waqar's invention
    Please do think about using the invention in Industrial generators
    Ask FPCCI to fund the neccesary requirements for this purpose
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    I think Talat has some misconceptions about an auto battery!
    It is not an assumption by Engineer Agha but rather a fact that it will not affect a battery's performance, capability or its life if it was being used to produce gas to run the car. It will keep on charging by car's alternator as long as the car is running.

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    humm as i read a lot about fuel cell; which eng. waqar used ... it uses lot of energy not 10 times more than petrol but atleast 3-4 times now the real question is did he do something to improve that if he did that then he must be appreciated if he didn't able to do it .. still he is a pakistani who tried and we should say WELL DONE and help him to keep working to find cheaper solution ... its like we just think in a way of MAKE and BREAK ... where things move slowly ...
    at the end the car must run for 1000KM so that we should all know the efficiency and if its good then its a GREAT thing and if it not then we should all keep working and helping each other to make it GREAT ...
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    Re: Talat Hussain's article on Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car

    Quote Originally Posted by MK Malik View Post
    I think Talat has some misconceptions about an auto battery!
    It is not an assumption by Engineer Agha but rather a fact that it will not affect a battery's performance, capability or its life if it was being used to produce gas to run the car. It will keep on charging by car's alternator as long as the car is running.

    A car battery will not run for an eternity, otherwise it will solve all of earth's energy problems. A car battery is based on sulphuric acid whose capacity to retain charged ions is a function of time and usage, if a large amount of current is regularly drawn the battery will die quicker, its as simple as that.
    I have a strong feeling that this engineer (technician) has not been able to explain his technology properly. Somebody mentioned resonance frequency method to break the H2O molecule ; this method requires less current with the right duty cycle or period of the current impulse to break H2O into OH and H ions. It could be that this guy has hit a jackpot by discovering (and not inventing) this special resonance frequency. But in all honesty I dont this has happened. A real engineer would always validate his invention through peers and patent it before creating a media splash. In our current energy crisis , this seems like opportunism at its worst.
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    Re: Talat Hussain's article on Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeen View Post
    A car battery will not run for an eternity, otherwise it will solve all of earth's energy problems. A car battery is based on sulphuric acid whose capacity to retain charged ions is a function of time and usage, if a large amount of current is regularly drawn the battery will die quicker, its as simple as that.
    I have a strong feeling that this engineer (technician) has not been able to explain his technology properly. Somebody mentioned resonance frequency method to break the H2O molecule ; this method requires less current with the right duty cycle or period of the current impulse to break H2O into OH and H ions. It could be that this guy has hit a jackpot by discovering (and not inventing) this special resonance frequency. But in all honesty I dont this has happened. A real engineer would always validate his invention through peers and patent it before creating a media splash. In our current energy crisis , this seems like opportunism at its worst.
    O bro I did not say eternity but it will be good for the it's life which in my experience is about 10 years on an average with its normal use...how ever like you mentioned, if larger amounts are drawn regularly it could die quicker, say in 6-7 years but it will still be worth to replace it if you can run your car on water and the replacement cost won't be much considering the savings on fuel costs.
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    Re: Talat Hussain's article on Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car

    Agha Waqars HHO kit explained

    All who make comments on Honorable Agha Sahib they must know how his kit works.
    Here I am elaborating the construction of his kit. Where, I will try to address the questions of many.
    1. Why Agha uses distilled water? Is he adding some hidden substance? How electrolysis is possible without a catalyst?
    2. What is the battery usage during Special Type of electrolysis?
    3. How milliamps of current are able to break water molecule?
    4. Is it possible from electrolysis to produce a large quantity of hydrogen that it can work without storage?
    5. Is it possible from electrolysis to produce a large quantity of hydrogen that it can work without mixing other fuels?
    First of all you have to understand resonance.
    RESONANCE: In some mechanical and electronic mechanisms when Energy is applied with some Rhythm (frequency) Output of the energy becomes much higher than energy applied constantly. The frequency required in a system to occur resonance is called resonant frequency of the system.
    Example:
    1. Pushing a person in a swing is a common example of resonance. The loaded swing, a pendulum, has a natural frequency of oscillation, its resonant frequency, and resists being pushed at a faster or slower rate. (Wikipedia)
    2. On bridges army soldiers are asked to not to walk in rhythm because little force produced due to their walk could lead to the breakage of bridge which required tons of force. There are several event done like Tacoma Narrows Bridge etc. in which accidents happened due to resonance.
    There are several types of resonance:
    1. MECHANICAL RESONANCE: I had examples above.
    2. OPTICAL RESONANCE: Even laser are an example of optical resonance. Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_cavity
    3. NUCLEAR RESONANCE: Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance
    4. PARTICLE RESONANCE: Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_(particle)
    5. ORBITAL RESONANCE: Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance
    6. CHEMICAL RESONANCE: Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_(chemistry)
    7. ELECTRICAL RESONANCE: LC circuit is one example of Electrical resonance. Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance
    Here in AGHA SAHIBS METHOD Electrical resonance is used; in which an LC circuit is produce. (to know about LC circuit please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit).
    LC circuits are also of two types one is parallel and one is series. Agha Sahib uses Series LC circuit.
    AGHA SAHIB uses a physical coil and a Capacitor is composed of a special mechanism.
    CAPACITOR in AGHA SAHIBs TECHNIQUE: AGHA SAHIB dips many (at least 20) plates of metal in Distilled Water. Half of the plates alternatively are attached with one end of circuits and half with other. Water will work as Dielectric and (20) Plates will work as (10) capacitors.
    LC Circuit. This (20) metal plates dipped in distilled water based capacitor (for simplicity we will call it MPDWC) is attached with a physical coil.
    RESONANT FREQUENCY: Capacitance of MPDWC and Inductance of coil is measured hence putting into Series RC formula resonant frequency is measure.
    SUPPLY of Alternating Resonant Voltage: 12V are taken from simple car battery then converted into mostly 110 volts AC. This AC has frequency same as the resonance frequency of MPDWC and above coil. Then AC is bridge rectified but not stabilized. So Positive Polar wave is obtained (there are ups and downs as AC but positive remains positive and negative remains negative.)
    Depending on LC construction These voltage sometimes may lead to millions of volts. Water molecules in between plates could not resist to such a high voltage so they break up in Hydrogen and Oxygen. Interesting thing is the Amperes used by this Mechanism is just in milliamps. So there is no significant use of Battery. If common usage of battery is 8-10 Amps, Milli Amps will add no more visible load.
    1. This Circuit Uses Distilled Water. Because Water is working as dielectric so it must be non conductor and Distilled Water is a non conductor any impurity or chemical will not let the system work.
    2. Battery usage is minimal so no harm to battery and System slaps at the face of first law of thermodynamics and its advocates.
    3. Runtime Sufficient Hydrogen is produced so no need of storage and there is no danger at all.
    4. Due to sufficient Hydrogen System needs no other fuel mixed. Thats why it is threatening the fossil fuel deposit owners to shout against Agha Sahib because, Deposits of their Oil and Gas will be a story of past in near future.
    Here is a video showing glimpse of the mechanism similar to AGHA SAHIBs mechanism at very basic level.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4l1PfmTheFM
    http://cosmoscientists.com/blog/?p=24
    Now Let me explain resonance that is taken from Planck's Resonance Hypothesis:
    You know Harvard a uni. Their Wesite harvard.edu .
    They have a section at their web for The SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System.
    They wrote Hidden variables: the resonance factor at the below website:
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009SPIE.7421E9B
    In 1900 Max Karl Planck performed his famous black-body radiation work which sparked the quantum revolution. Re-examination of that work has revealed hidden variables, consistent with Einsteins famous sentiment that quantum mechanics is incomplete due to the existence of hidden variables. The recent discovery of these previously hidden variables, which have been missing from foundational equations for more than one hundred years, has important implications for theoretical, experimental and applied sciences and technologies. Planck attempted to integrate the new resonant Hertzian (electromagnetic) waves, with existing Helmholtz theories on energy and thermodynamics. In his famous January 1901, paper on black-body radiation, Planck described two significant hypotheses his well known Quantum Hypothesis, and his more obscure Resonance Hypothesis. Few scientists today are aware that Planck hypothesized resonant electromagnetic energy as a form of non-thermal energy available to perform work on a molecular basis, and that Plancks Resonance Hypothesis bridged the gap between classical Helmholtz energy state dynamics of the bulk macrostate, and energy state dynamics of the molecular microstate. Since the black-body experimental data involved only a thermal effect and not a resonant effect, Planck excluded the resonant state in his black-body derivation. He calculated Boltzmanns constant kB using completely thermal/entropic data, arriving at a value of 1.38 10^23 J K-1 per molecule, representing the internal energy of a molecule under completely thermal conditions. He further hypothesized, however, that if resonant energy was present in a system, the resonant energy would be free to be converted into work. Planck seems to have been caught up in the events of the quantum revolution and never returned to his Resonance Hypothesis. As a result, a mathematical foundation for resonance dynamics was never completed. Boltzmanns constant was adopted into thermodynamic theories without its natural companion, the resonance factor (rf).
    Thisi is what Agha Sahib is inspired of 1900 plancks hypothsis read again Ein Stein mentioned:
    Einsteins famous sentiment that quantum mechanics is incomplete due to the existence of hidden variables
    They more told :
    Few scientists today are aware that Planck hypothesized resonant electromagnetic energy as a form of non-thermal energy available to perform work on a molecular basis, and that Plancks Resonance Hypothesis bridged the gap between classical Helmholtz energy state dynamics of the bulk macrostate, and energy state dynamics of the molecular microstate
    So this resonance. Which was explaned by Planck in 1900. And scientists at Nasa and Harvard are goign to take in account the free energies of resonance. Our scientists and their assistants are busy in making theories to make Govt fool and Govt funds in their pockets. So they are unaware of Resonance Energy and just know theory of loot.
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    Re: Talat Hussain's article on Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Kuki View Post
    Agha Waqar’s HHO kit explained

    All who make comments on Honorable Agha Sahib they must know how his kit works.
    Here I am elaborating the construction of his kit. Where, I will try to address the questions of many.
    1. Why Agha uses distilled water? Is he adding some hidden substance? How electrolysis is possible without a catalyst?
    2. What is the battery usage during Special Type of electrolysis?
    3. How milliamps of current are able to break water molecule?
    4. Is it possible from electrolysis to produce a large quantity of hydrogen that it can work without storage?
    5. Is it possible from electrolysis to produce a large quantity of hydrogen that it can work without mixing other fuels?
    First of all you have to understand resonance.
    RESONANCE: In some mechanical and electronic mechanisms when Energy is applied with some Rhythm (frequency) Output of the energy becomes much higher than energy applied constantly. The frequency required in a system to occur resonance is called resonant frequency of the system.
    Example:
    1. Pushing a person in a swing is a common example of resonance. The loaded swing, a pendulum, has a natural frequency of oscillation, its resonant frequency, and resists being pushed at a faster or slower rate. (Wikipedia)
    2. On bridges army soldiers are asked to not to walk in rhythm because little force produced due to their walk could lead to the breakage of bridge which required tons of force. There are several event done like Tacoma Narrows Bridge etc. in which accidents happened due to resonance.
    There are several types of resonance:
    1. MECHANICAL RESONANCE: I had examples above.
    2. OPTICAL RESONANCE: Even laser are an example of optical resonance. Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_cavity
    3. NUCLEAR RESONANCE: Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance
    4. PARTICLE RESONANCE: Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_(particle)
    5. ORBITAL RESONANCE: Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance
    6. CHEMICAL RESONANCE: Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_(chemistry)
    7. ELECTRICAL RESONANCE: LC circuit is one example of Electrical resonance. Please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance
    Here in AGHA SAHIB’S METHOD Electrical resonance is used; in which an LC circuit is produce. (to know about LC circuit please read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit).
    LC circuits are also of two types one is parallel and one is series. Agha Sahib uses Series LC circuit.
    AGHA SAHIB uses a physical coil and a Capacitor is composed of a special mechanism.
    CAPACITOR in AGHA SAHIB’s TECHNIQUE: AGHA SAHIB dips many (at least 20) plates of metal in Distilled Water. Half of the plates alternatively are attached with one end of circuits and half with other. Water will work as Dielectric and (20) Plates will work as (10) capacitors.
    LC Circuit. This (20) metal plates dipped in distilled water based capacitor (for simplicity we will call it MPDWC) is attached with a physical coil.
    RESONANT FREQUENCY: Capacitance of MPDWC and Inductance of coil is measured hence putting into Series RC formula resonant frequency is measure.
    SUPPLY of Alternating Resonant Voltage: 12V are taken from simple car battery then converted into mostly 110 volts AC. This AC has frequency same as the resonance frequency of MPDWC and above coil. Then AC is bridge rectified but not stabilized. So Positive Polar wave is obtained (there are ups and downs as AC but positive remains positive and negative remains negative.)
    Depending on LC construction These voltage sometimes may lead to millions of volts. Water molecules in between plates could not resist to such a high voltage so they break up in Hydrogen and Oxygen. Interesting thing is the Amperes used by this Mechanism is just in milliamps. So there is no significant use of Battery. If common usage of battery is 8-10 Amps, Milli Amps will add no more visible load.
    1. This Circuit Uses Distilled Water. Because Water is working as dielectric so it must be non conductor and Distilled Water is a non conductor any impurity or chemical will not let the system work.
    2. Battery usage is minimal so no harm to battery and System slaps at the face of first law of thermodynamics and its advocates.
    3. Runtime Sufficient Hydrogen is produced so no need of storage and there is no danger at all.
    4. Due to sufficient Hydrogen System needs no other fuel mixed. That’s why it is threatening the fossil fuel deposit owners to shout against Agha Sahib because, Deposits of their Oil and Gas will be a story of past in near future.
    Here is a video showing glimpse of the mechanism similar to AGHA SAHIB’s mechanism at very basic level.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4l1PfmTheFM
    http://cosmoscientists.com/blog/?p=24
    Now Let me explain resonance that is taken from Planck's Resonance Hypothesis:
    You know Harvard a uni. Their Wesite harvard.edu .
    They have a section at their web for The SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System.
    They wrote Hidden variables: the resonance factor at the below website:
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009SPIE.7421E…9B
    In 1900 Max Karl Planck performed his famous black-body radiation work which sparked the quantum revolution. Re-examination of that work has revealed hidden variables, consistent with Einstein’s famous sentiment that quantum mechanics is incomplete due to the existence of “hidden variables”. The recent discovery of these previously hidden variables, which have been missing from foundational equations for more than one hundred years, has important implications for theoretical, experimental and applied sciences and technologies. Planck attempted to integrate the new “resonant Hertzian (electromagnetic) waves”, with existing Helmholtz theories on energy and thermodynamics. In his famous January 1901, paper on black-body radiation, Planck described two significant hypotheses – his well known Quantum Hypothesis, and his more obscure Resonance Hypothesis. Few scientists today are aware that Planck hypothesized resonant electromagnetic energy as a form of non-thermal energy available to perform work on a molecular basis, and that Planck’s Resonance Hypothesis bridged the gap between classical Helmholtz energy state dynamics of the bulk macrostate, and energy state dynamics of the molecular microstate. Since the black-body experimental data involved only a thermal effect and not a resonant effect, Planck excluded the resonant state in his black-body derivation. He calculated Boltzmann’s constant “kB” using completely thermal/entropic data, arriving at a value of 1.38 10^23 J K-1 per molecule, representing the internal energy of a molecule under completely thermal conditions. He further hypothesized, however, that if resonant energy was present in a system, the resonant energy would be “free to be converted into work”. Planck seems to have been caught up in the events of the quantum revolution and never returned to his Resonance Hypothesis. As a result, a mathematical foundation for resonance dynamics was never completed. Boltzmann’s constant was adopted into thermodynamic theories without its natural companion, the resonance factor (“rf”).
    Thisi is what Agha Sahib is inspired of 1900 planck’s hypothsis read again Ein Stein mentioned:
    Einstein’s famous sentiment that quantum mechanics is incomplete due to the existence of “hidden variables”
    They more told :
    Few scientists today are aware that Planck hypothesized resonant electromagnetic energy as a form of non-thermal energy available to perform work on a molecular basis, and that Planck’s Resonance Hypothesis bridged the gap between classical Helmholtz energy state dynamics of the bulk macrostate, and energy state dynamics of the molecular microstate
    So this resonance. Which was explaned by Planck in 1900. And scientists at Nasa and Harvard are goign to take in account the free energies of resonance. Our scientists and their assistants are busy in making theories to make Govt fool and Govt funds in their pockets. So they are unaware of Resonance Energy and just know theory of loot.
    Itni lambi kahani likh daali,

    Give me a mathematical representation of the amount of energy being produced from one liter of water using how much electricity.

    Also explain how distilled water, which is a bad conductor of electricity is being used as an electrolyte.
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    Itni lambi kahani likh daali,

    Give me a mathematical representation of the amount of energy being produced from one liter of water using how much electricity.

    Also explain how distilled water, which is a bad conductor of electricity is being used as an electrolyte.
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    Unless this guy has discovered the 5th law of Thermodynamics (for which he should be nominated for Nobel Prize), I would like to see his energy, heat and mass balance calculations.
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    Watch this video.Answer to all questions.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=BCsn9IvJ9vQ
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    Water Car Scam was just another example of Zardari's Government scandle. Like Rental Power Scam, they wanted to earn millions out of this as well. Every one knows Zardari was directly behind water car sacm to make his 30% kickback by installing water car factories in Pakistan from billions of rupees of tax payer's money. These scams are common in Pakistan due to rampent illitratcy in Pakistan.
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    thank you very much Mr.Talat Hussain's to give your full support to Mr Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car , we are proud all information and partial given by Mr.

    Agha Waqar Saab . USA lobby such as atta saab and his company with out looking and checking saying it not working is foolest thing by so high tect man in result Atta saab is zero Allah may give atta saab more knowledge
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    thank you very much Mr.Talat Hussain's to give your full support to Mr Engineer Agha Waqar's Water car , we are proud all information and partial given by Mr.

    Agha Waqar Saab . USA lobby such as atta saab and his company with out looking and checking saying it not working is foolest thing by so high tect man in result Atta saab is zero Allah may give atta saab more knowledge

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