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    Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia, UAE funded extremist networks in Pakistan

    By Reuters
    Published: May 22, 2011

    WikiLeaks said $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to a recruitment network in Punjab.

    Charities from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates financed a network in Pakistan that recruited children as young as eight to wage “holy war”, a local newspaper reported on Sunday, citing Wikileaks.
    A US diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks said financial support estimated at $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to an extremist recruitment network in Pakistan’s Punjab province, Dawn newspaper reported.
    Asked to respond to the report, Saudi foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali said: “Saudi Arabia issued a statement from day one that we are not going to comment on any WikiLeaks reports because Saudi Arabia is not responsible for these reports and we are not sure about their authenticity.”
    The November 2008 dispatch by Bryan Hunt, the then principal officer at the US consulate in Lahore, was based on discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during trips to Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province.
    It said those sources claimed that financial aid from Saudi and United Arab Emirates was coming from “missionary” and”Islamic charitable” organisations ostensibly with the direct support of those countries’ governments.
    Saudi Arabia, the United States and Pakistan heavily supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet occupation troops in the 1980s. Militancy subsequently mushroomed in the region and militants moved to Pakistan’s northwest tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, seen as a global hub for militants.
    Since then there has been a growing nexus between militant groups there and in Punjab. In recent years militants have been carrying out suicide bombings seemingly at will in Pakistan, despite military offensives against their strongholds.
    Children sent to training camps
    But militancy is deeply rooted in Pakistan. In order to eradicate it, analysts say, the government must improve economic conditions to prevent militants from recruiting young men disillusioned with the state.
    The network in Punjab reportedly exploited worsening poverty to indoctrinate children and ultimately send them to training camps, said the cable.
    Saudi Arabia is seen as funding some of Pakistan’s hardline religious seminaries, or madrassas, which churn out young men eager for “holy war”, posing a threat to the stability of the region.
    “At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy,” said the cable.
    It described how “families with multiple children” and”severe financial difficulties” were being exploited and recruited, Dawn reported.
    “The path following recruitment depends upon the age of the child involved. Younger children (between 8 and 12) seem to be favoured,” said the cable.
    Teachers in seminaries would assess the inclination of children “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture”.
    “The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual “donations” to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates,” the cable stated.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/173744/w...s-in-pakistan/

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    ****** hai is so-called Pakistani Media per jo Shah se ziada Shah ka wafadar bana hua hai. baluchistan or Fata mein Indian or US ki involvement per tou hamara media mein kabhi koi baat nahi hoi...

    Pehli baat tou ye hai k wikileaks ek american tool ban k reh gya hai jo 3rd world or specially Muslim countries ko blackmail kerne k liye use kia ja raha hai.

    2ndly, is report mein baar US ambasador Brian d Hunt ko baar baar quote kia hai. is bande ki baat ka kia aitbaar ha???

    3rdly, Aakhir ye US ambassador hamare mulk mien khule aam kis tarah ghoom rahe hain. Sab se pehla shak tou khud is per jata hai k wo South Punjab mien ki kerta phis raha hai???

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    Will Dawn please publish a story on how media is being injected with american money and hillary clinton's orders to promote liberal anti-islam agenda. But no they wont.
    Will Dawn publish a story on how america caused the removal of Surah Tauba from the Islamiyat book of class 8 primary school of Federal board.

    If some religious schools take grants from wealthy islamic countries of gulf, then what is wrong with it? These schools are providing shelter and islamic education to the students and believe me even if these schools are shut down, there will be no one in Pakistan to talk of islam.

    Dawn should also publish stories on Sipah-e-muhammad arrested people confessing to taking money from iran and their killings in karachi.

    Dawn should also publish how America funded sunni itehad council to do anti-taliban rallies in Pakistan and etc

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    pls read this article and watch vidoe and see wht Iran is planning :


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...an-humanrights



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    Bhai Har dour main ye hota aaye hai Early 1900 main bhi jihad khatam karne ki koshish ki gai thi Qadyani firqa banaya gaya tha ........ ye sab qayamat tak chalta rahega ye Kuffar isi tarhan ke propaganda karte hain dont worry,,,

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    there is no secret in it. of course madrassas get sponsored by countries, organization and common people all over the world. that's how they are running.
    there might be sponsoring to preach their their sect but
    i suspect their use in terrorism


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    Liberalism at its best ..........

    I believe getting funding from any other group, state, or organization is not something condemn-able.

    Jang main jiskay hath joota ata hai wo joota marta hai ......... jiskay hath pathar lagta hai pathar marta hai .......

    Therefore, getting funding from UAE or Saudi arabia is not a problem ......... actual problem is that where this funding is being used .............. If this money is used in promotion of sectarianism - a muslim killing a muslim - it is bad ......... but if this funding is used in fighting foreign oppressive forces like USA than it is very good thing ......

    Ic video kay mutabiq ....... taqleef American ko ho rahi hai ......... tu samajh lain kay funding Amerika kay hi khilaf use ho rahi ...............

    Jis kici par USA extremism ka ilzam lage samjho us ki taraf say USA ko sakht takleef hai ...........

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    and Iran is not funding any madrasas or militias?

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    sheeda tulee sahib farmate hain there is always a case behind the face ya vice versa ...........ya american kehte hain ke there is no free lunch ................jo bi kisi ki madad karta he us ke badlae main wo chahta he ke us ki bi madad ki jaye.............. aur jo wo chahta he wo kia jaye as simple as it is jo log samajte hain ke madad lene main koi haraj nahin wo ahmaqon ki jannat me rehte hain........................dont forget these schools have been working for americans and americans were funding these schools..................................us waqt CIA aur Ziaulhaq mil kar kaam kar rahe thay...................


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    is funding say to usa buhot pereshan hai. is ka matlab ?


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    Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia, UAE funded extremist networks in Pakistan

    By Reuters
    Published: May 22, 2011

    WikiLeaks said $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to a recruitment network in Punjab.

    Charities from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates financed a network in Pakistan that recruited children as young as eight to wage “holy war”, a local newspaper reported on Sunday, citing Wikileaks.
    A US diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks said financial support estimated at $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to an extremist recruitment network in Pakistan’s Punjab province, Dawn newspaper reported.
    Asked to respond to the report, Saudi foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali said: “Saudi Arabia issued a statement from day one that we are not going to comment on any WikiLeaks reports because Saudi Arabia is not responsible for these reports and we are not sure about their authenticity.”
    The November 2008 dispatch by Bryan Hunt, the then principal officer at the US consulate in Lahore, was based on discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during trips to Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province.
    It said those sources claimed that financial aid from Saudi and United Arab Emirates was coming from “missionary” and”Islamic charitable” organisations ostensibly with the direct support of those countries’ governments.
    Saudi Arabia, the United States and Pakistan heavily supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet occupation troops in the 1980s. Militancy subsequently mushroomed in the region and militants moved to Pakistan’s northwest tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, seen as a global hub for militants.
    Since then there has been a growing nexus between militant groups there and in Punjab. In recent years militants have been carrying out suicide bombings seemingly at will in Pakistan, despite military offensives against their strongholds.
    Children sent to training camps
    But militancy is deeply rooted in Pakistan. In order to eradicate it, analysts say, the government must improve economic conditions to prevent militants from recruiting young men disillusioned with the state.
    The network in Punjab reportedly exploited worsening poverty to indoctrinate children and ultimately send them to training camps, said the cable.
    Saudi Arabia is seen as funding some of Pakistan’s hardline religious seminaries, or madrassas, which churn out young men eager for “holy war”, posing a threat to the stability of the region.
    “At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy,” said the cable.
    It described how “families with multiple children” and”severe financial difficulties” were being exploited and recruited, Dawn reported.
    “The path following recruitment depends upon the age of the child involved. Younger children (between 8 and 12) seem to be favoured,” said the cable.
    Teachers in seminaries would assess the inclination of children “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture”.
    “The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual “donations” to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates,” the cable stated.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/173744/w...s-in-pakistan/

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74L0ER20110522

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    >> Donations from Saudi Arabia and other rich islamic countries to charities in Pakistan is not explosive discovery. It is a regular way of helping out the poor and needy. Aid given to mosques or madressas of certain sects does influence the young minds but ultimately choice of madrassa is parent's domain and different sects of mulims have minor differences. So, the funding can not be objected being positive in a country which has failed to offer ducation to all. It is objected by the West because they believe religious education prepares forces resistant to western culture, values and influence in Pakistan. After soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan became field of proxy war between Saudis and Iranians and in Sunni-Shia context both funded their affiliates and it goes on till now. The report above quotes unnamed sources in Pakistan government. That does not give credibility to it but only explains the deep divide in Pakistani administration on sectarian lines. Obviously the source was from anti-Saudi lobby and US touch to the whole story has simply tarnished the main theme of this article which was to beat the old drum once again.

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    can somebody unveil US n other countries support to our media n seculars , thx


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    Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuslimPak View Post
    Will Dawn please publish a story on how media is being injected with american money and hillary clinton's orders to promote liberal anti-islam agenda. But no they wont.
    Will Dawn publish a story on how america caused the removal of Surah Tauba from the Islamiyat book of class 8 primary school of Federal board.

    If some religious schools take grants from wealthy islamic countries of gulf, then what is wrong with it? These schools are providing shelter and islamic education to the students and believe me even if these schools are shut down, there will be no one in Pakistan to talk of islam.

    Dawn should also publish stories on Sipah-e-muhammad arrested people confessing to taking money from iran and their killings in karachi.

    Dawn should also publish how America funded sunni itehad council to do anti-taliban rallies in Pakistan and etc
    When did the surah tauba thing happen?


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    I dont understand the logic - no wonder we are in the mess we are in!!!

    Instead of condemning ALL foreign intervention of ANY kind we categorize intervention as friendly and non-friendly which is also ironic since you couldn't find better friends and staunchest of allies than Saudi Arabia/UAE and the USA.

    If USA is attempting to funding any individuals and organizations then we should stop it, condemn it and ask them to stop - similarly we should ask Saudis/UAE to stop funding organizations and individuals which have wrecked Pakistan and promoted extremism and intolerance and have propagated their version of Islam systematically - this has resulted in suicide bombings at mosques/shrines and on our security forces then that act should be condemned and we should be strong enough to ask them to stop - just as america should not be allowed to spread liberalism or their values - saudis and emiratis should also not be allowed to export their ideology in Pakistan.

    Her qisim ki bairooni mudakhlat namanzoor!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MuslimPak View Post
    Will Dawn please publish a story on how media is being injected with american money and hillary clinton's orders to promote liberal anti-islam agenda. But no they wont.
    Will Dawn publish a story on how america caused the removal of Surah Tauba from the Islamiyat book of class 8 primary school of Federal board.

    If some religious schools take grants from wealthy islamic countries of gulf, then what is wrong with it? These schools are providing shelter and islamic education to the students and believe me even if these schools are shut down, there will be no one in Pakistan to talk of islam.

    Dawn should also publish stories on Sipah-e-muhammad arrested people confessing to taking money from iran and their killings in karachi.

    Dawn should also publish how America funded sunni itehad council to do anti-taliban rallies in Pakistan and etc
    Last edited by mrk123; 14-Jan-2012 at 06:53 PM.

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    Well under the guise of brotherly countries saudis and emiratis have done their part in ruining the fabric of our societies and with their blatant intervention in our internal affairs at the behest of their buddy the USA they have ruined the institutions of pakistan too!

    I say NO foreign intervention should be tolerated by ANY country no matter what!!!


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    I do understand why we pick a side and blame either liberal forces or religious institutions. They are both to be blamed! Just because you blame liberal forces, does not mean leaders of UAE/SA are angels and can't do anything horrible.

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    This is very funny that Saudis are only worried about the pakistani kids who are in the madarassahs - wake up and if you have been to SA then you would know how and what they think of the holders of the green passport. How can a self respecting and wise pakistani think that what saudis do is not only to further their interests. Why dont they do this in bangladesh or ALL other brotherly islamic countries - the reason is that they want a counter weight to iran in the region and what they are doing is to instill their brand of ideology inculcated in unknowing and immature minds.

    Its very ironic that people are justifying one wrong of saudi intervention with pointing finger at US intervention in pakistan and instead of condemning both as unacceptable they defend and condone one wrong while vehemently condemning and deploring the American excesses.

    Unless we become self respecting people who DISCOVER whats best for us on our own, do our own thinking considering our BEST INTERESTS and put a stop to ALL foreign intervention in ALL our affairs we will still be in this mess100 years from now! We need to formulate OUR OWN education policy and we should MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS without the influence and intervention of USA/UK/Saudi Arabia/UAE/Iran/ etc etc - pakistan only has one true friend and that is china which helps when needed without undue intervention in our affairs.

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    Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia, UAE funded extremist networks in Pakistan

    By Reuters
    Published: May 22, 2011

    WikiLeaks said $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to a recruitment network in Punjab.

    Charities from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates financed a network in Pakistan that recruited children as young as eight to wage “holy war”, a local newspaper reported on Sunday, citing Wikileaks.
    A US diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks said financial support estimated at $100 million a year was making its way from those Gulf Arab states to an extremist recruitment network in Pakistan’s Punjab province, Dawn newspaper reported.
    Asked to respond to the report, Saudi foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali said: “Saudi Arabia issued a statement from day one that we are not going to comment on any WikiLeaks reports because Saudi Arabia is not responsible for these reports and we are not sure about their authenticity.”
    The November 2008 dispatch by Bryan Hunt, the then principal officer at the US consulate in Lahore, was based on discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during trips to Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province.
    It said those sources claimed that financial aid from Saudi and United Arab Emirates was coming from “missionary” and”Islamic charitable” organisations ostensibly with the direct support of those countries’ governments.
    Saudi Arabia, the United States and Pakistan heavily supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet occupation troops in the 1980s. Militancy subsequently mushroomed in the region and militants moved to Pakistan’s northwest tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, seen as a global hub for militants.
    Since then there has been a growing nexus between militant groups there and in Punjab. In recent years militants have been carrying out suicide bombings seemingly at will in Pakistan, despite military offensives against their strongholds.
    Children sent to training camps
    But militancy is deeply rooted in Pakistan. In order to eradicate it, analysts say, the government must improve economic conditions to prevent militants from recruiting young men disillusioned with the state.
    The network in Punjab reportedly exploited worsening poverty to indoctrinate children and ultimately send them to training camps, said the cable.
    Saudi Arabia is seen as funding some of Pakistan’s hardline religious seminaries, or madrassas, which churn out young men eager for “holy war”, posing a threat to the stability of the region.
    “At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy,” said the cable.
    It described how “families with multiple children” and”severe financial difficulties” were being exploited and recruited, Dawn reported.
    “The path following recruitment depends upon the age of the child involved. Younger children (between 8 and 12) seem to be favoured,” said the cable.
    Teachers in seminaries would assess the inclination of children “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture”.
    “The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual “donations” to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates,” the cable stated.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/173744/w...s-in-pakistan/

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74L0ER20110522

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    >> Donations from Saudi Arabia and other rich islamic countries to charities in Pakistan is not explosive discovery. It is a regular way of helping out the poor and needy. Aid given to mosques or madressas of certain sects does influence the young minds but ultimately choice of madrassa is parent's domain and different sects of mulims have minor differences. So, the funding can not be objected being positive in a country which has failed to offer ducation to all. It is objected by the West because they believe religious education prepares forces resistant to western culture, values and influence in Pakistan. After soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan became field of proxy war between Saudis and Iranians and in Sunni-Shia context both funded their affiliates and it goes on till now. The report above quotes unnamed sources in Pakistan government. That does not give credibility to it but only explains the deep divide in Pakistani administration on sectarian lines. Obviously the source was from anti-Saudi lobby and US touch to the whole story has simply tarnished the main theme of this article which was to beat the old drum once again.
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    Why spending in religious madrassas of a certain school of thought..............agar musalmano ki madad krni he to hakoomat k zariey kion nhi????????

    why Saudies are promoting wahabism and sectarianism in pakistan ???????

    kia kisi hakomat ko zaib deta he k vo doosrey mulk me is terha ki hrkatain krey ?????????

    pakistan me kaee universities b hain vahn pe kion investment nhi ki gaee????????

    universities me b to islamic research pe investment ho sakti the?????????? vahan kion nhi??????

    Answer is simple universities me brain washing nhi hotee .............universities me firkavariat nhi parhaee jateeee..........

    na hi saudion ka maqsad deen ki khidmat krna he na insaniat ki..........their mission is to safe guard their extremist bleifs by creating extremist elements in pakistan society......and hitting those who differ with saudies......

    It is a straight forward an act of enmity against a country whom you call a friendly country........

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    In 2000, when surah tauba was initially was in the book and we had to know its translation with arabic language understanding along with surah anfaal and surah ahzaab. But then suddenly surah tauba was removed from the course, and teachers told us that its ok if you do not learn the surah tauba translation and everyone including the school was talking about the thing that it was american embassy intervention in federal board course which caused this removal.

    Anyway being a good student, I had already completed surah tauba so american plan did not work for me


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    When did the surah tauba thing happen?

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