What do you people now think about the Pakistan Army and ISI

[shani572]

I was just wondering, Do pakistani military establishment and ISI is sincere t Pakistan and patriotic institutions. If yes, how come they compromise on our Sovereignty ? As even a layman like me can say that, Its not the end its the beginning, now they have the strong reasons to do more operations in Pakistan. Whole world is laughing at us, and India and Afghanistan have already issued statements that they were already saying, Its the Pakistan, who is giving protection to the terrorists, and as a background of a future big drama, besides this operation, few days ago ISI was declared as a supporter of terrorists.
but My question is how come our think-tanks, policy makers, establishment are not thinking about this, or should we say Pakistan Army and ISI is not loyal to Pakistan anymore and loyal to their own benefits ?

[alpha]

Stop this Crap!!!

[Young_Blood]

Bush ne kaha we will protect tha america and american citizens, Obama ne kaha we will protect america and americans..
Pakistan ne kya kaha? aur pakistan ne kya keeya? Pakistan army ne kya kaha, aur kya keeya,,, ye sab jantay hein,
Kya 9/11 k baad aik bhe attack hoowa AMERICA main? aur pakistan main kitne attack ho chukay hein, shaied hamein to sahi tadaad bhe nahi maloom.
America jesa bhe hai, acha hai ya bura hai, magar AMERICAN CITIZEN AUR AMERICAN PASSPORT ke value hai, koi manay ya na manay yehi such hai,,
Kakool Academy k bhaaju main usama reh raha tha, aur pakistan k president , PM, Ministers, se lay ker Army k COAS etc... sab keh rahay they k usama pakistan main nahi hai,,, what this rubbish,, hamein budnaam ker k rekh dia, poori duniya main ham LIERS aur Fraudiay k naam se janay lag gay hein ham,,, hum dosro ko khud moka dete hein apney kartooto ke waja se k wo hamein terrorists kahein, aur pakistan ko safe heaven kahein in terrorists k liay..
jo such hai wo bayan karo,, aur such yehi hai, k aaj america safe hai, aur pakistan fail state bun gai hai, ye hai haqeeqat, aur dosri haqeeqat, k hum gulaam hein, ooper se lay ker neachey tak,, sab k sab ghulaam hein, Kayani sahab said, 2 days before. k ham mulk e pakistan k mufaad main fesle karein gay, aur ham aik ba izzat aur gairat mund qoum hein.. ye sab se bara jhoot hai,, hum bagairat bun chukay hein, aur hamara mufaad koi nahi, sirf american mufaad k liay hum kaam ker rahay hein,,
hamarey pakistanio ke valye american kutto se bhe kam hai, american kutto ko bhe rescue ker k uss ke jaan bacha lete hein, aur hamari govt aur hamari army,, masoom bacho, betio, behno bazurgo aur jawano ko, bina kisi waja k, bina kisi jurm k, nihattay muslims aur pakistani bhaio k khoon ka soda ker rahay hein, shame shame be had shame on our govt and our ARMY,
hum apne pait kaat k iss army ko khilatay hein paltay hein, hamari maanou ne hamarey bazurgo ne war k dooran apney zewar baich diay, apna sab kuch qurban keeya, iss army k liay mulk e pakistan k liay, uss k bawajood ye hamein he maar rahay hein ya kafiro k haatho merwa rahay hein,,, mere paas alfaaz nahi bayan kerne k liay, mere dil se BUD DUAIEN nikalti hein, in sab k liay,, jo hum pakistanio k khoon ka soda ker chukay hein sirf chund $ ke khatir,,,
mujhey herangi hoti hai k ye apne aap ko MUSLIMS kehte hein, aur KALMA TAYYBA perhtey hein, aur NARA TAKBEER, ALLAH HU AKBAR buland kerte hein,,, ye kaha k muslims hein, ye kaha k loyal heim, ye kaha k honest hein, ye kaha k patriot hein?
ye pakistanio ko dushman hein aur american k sajan ya hamdard hein, ye america ko protect ker rahay hein,
ye apni mout bhool chukay hein, ye bhool chukay hein k iss duniya ka malik AMERICA nahi, ALLAH TALLAH hai, aur jab ALLAH apni rassi khainchey ga, to in pakistani mardoodo, firoono, ko mitti bhe naseeb nahi ho ge,,
mujhey sharam aati hai k , MAIN PAKISTANI HOO,,,,

[samar]

Stop this Crap!!!

come up with an explanation if you have or just .................

[shah5ap]

Young_Blood ki Baton may dam hay, magar Bhai Saab KUD APPNE APPNE GAREBAN MAY JHANK KAR DEKKO. HAR EEK BAAT PE TANQEED E RAHNOMA NA KARO.
Jessi karni wesse Bharni. Jessi awam wessa hi Hakim. 63 salon say ham dowa karte hen Kashmir Azad ho. Har Jumme ko Molvi Nimaz k baad Qaum k liyee dowa karte hen. Dowa qabool howi. Nahi. Qaumen apni taqdir hkud badakti hen. Loog aggee ja rahe hen aur hamari qaum peche ja rahi hay. Agli election may PML N ya PPP pher say jeet jaye gi. Yahi qaum jo Roo rahi hay pher say inni logon ko appne per mosalat kar ley gi.
Akher may agar aap ko sharam aati hay Pakistani hone per tu mat kahen k PAKISTANI hon.

[adnan_swati]

yup. now army supporters are gone like ganday kay sar say seendh. i can just say shame army shame

[adnan_swati]

this will do no harm to army as they will keep getting their budget. khawar tou hum nay hona hai

[biomat]

Brothers we are not agaist our army men. They r our brothers & sisters.
But if their top commander tell them PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPON IN FRONT OF ENEMY. OR STAND DOWN SOLDIER.
How many will obey or how many defy.
Example...
KERNEL SHAIR KHAN.. Entered into Indian Camp after rcving STAND DOWN ORDER from HIGH COMMAND..
Many more untold stories as one Captian defended East Pakistan & Indian Army Chief saluted that captain, DO WE KNOW HIS NAME.. NOOOOO.
So we are proud of our armymen who give their lives for ISLAM & COUNTRY.
But we have right to ask their leaders who have let us down in past & seems to have today as well. Or explain so that we can change our point of view..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

[lllcolumbuslll]

جس آرمی کو بار بار حکومت کرنے کا چسکا پڑ جائے وہ کہاں اس قابل رھے گی کہ ملک کیا اپنی حفاظت بھی کرسکے۔ آرمی کی دلچسپی سیاست میں ھے نہ کہ ملک کی حفاظت۔ آئی ایس آئی کا کام پاکستانی سیاست دانوں کے فون ٹیپ کرنا ۔ وہ کہاں جاتے ھیں کس ھوٹل میں کھانا کھاتے ھیں۔ ان کو بلیک میل کرنا اور اپنے عوام کو غائب کرنا اور مار دینا ۔ آرمی کی سوچ ھمیشہ سیاست میں رھتی ھے۔ جس کی وجہ سے اب یہ نہ جنگ کے قابل ھے اور نہ ھی اپنی حفاظت کے۔ لہذا اب گیدڑ کو شیر نہ بنائیں۔ سیاست دانوں سے زیادہ اس ملک کو آرمی نے تباہ کیا ھے اور اس فوج کی وجہ سے پاکستان نے بہت ذلت اٹھائی ھے۔ سارا بجٹ بھی کھا جاتے ھیں۔ جب چاھا پاکستان فتح کر لیا ۔ آٹھہ دس سال موجیں کیں ۔ اب مشرف کے جانے کے بعد تھوڑا انتظار کریں ایک اور فاتح پاکستان کا۔

[shani572]

Mujhay ab aik baat ki bohat sakht takleef ho rahi hai, yeah hakoomat hamari chamrhi udhairh kar aur pata nahi kon kon say charges laga kar hum sya tax wasool kar rahi hai. aur us tax ka 70 to 80% is army and ISI ko jaata hai, aur yeah dono organizations haath apr haath rakh kar droon hamlay gin rahi hain. ya phir abbotabad mein ksi stadium mein baithay tamashai ki tarhan, american army aur bin laden ka match dekha. aur baad mein jub american farigh ho gae tu unhoun nay Pakistan Army ko kaha. We have done sh*t over here. just clean it now.
I think the commitments/contracts (so called US policies or our compromises i would say) should be made public, ta k yeah awaam apna khoon tu na jalae baar baar.

[ASQR1]

Brothers we are not agaist our army men. They r our brothers & sisters.
But if their top commander tell them PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPON IN FRONT OF ENEMY. OR STAND DOWN SOLDIER.
How many will obey or how many defy.
Example...
KERNEL SHAIR KHAN.. Entered into Indian Camp after rcving STAND DOWN ORDER from HIGH COMMAND..
Many more untold stories as one Captian defended East Pakistan & Indian Army Chief saluted that captain, DO WE KNOW HIS NAME.. NOOOOO.
So we are proud of our armymen who give their lives for ISLAM & COUNTRY.
But we have right to ask their leaders who have let us down in past & seems to have today as well. Or explain so that we can change our point of view..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

Many of you guys who oppose Army are clueless, Army has tried to take action in Kargil and was blamed by the GOP at the time of Kargil and the Army Chief was refused landing in Karachi when he was ret]\urning from a visit to SriL-anka, there by triggering the takeover of GOP by Army.

Now Had the GOP at the time studied and supported Army plan to kill lots of Indian soldiers by stopping supplies to Indian soldier which flow though Kargil to Siachan, Not only GOP at rhe time had earned respect of Army they would have earned the respect of common man of Pakistan.

This time around You guys who speak against Army are clueless again.And let me open your brains rusted by inaction. Army had the experience of this Kargil mess made by the than GOP, Now they do not want to take any chances so they follow the orders from these politicians and orders are:-

1. Not to shoot down any Drones.
2. Not to shoot any helicopters intruding into Pakistan space.
3. Not to shoot even if you are under attack.
4. Protect the supply lines of NATO traveling through Pakistan.
5. Keep your profile low and follow the orders. Do not talk to anyone anything without approval from us. (politicians.)
6. Only go to Karachi to stop killings until we (politicians) tell you to do so.
7. You have no authority (meaning Army.) to promote the ranks by seniority, we will decide who to promote. we may promote a junior General if want to.
8. We will decide from whom to buy weapons ( remember the Mr. 10% was in France when Pakistan was suffering from the biggest floods in its history.) for collection. (It was in News.)
9. To buy and check weapons we will go to china/U.S/France and if we decide than you will be sent, so lay low and wait for the instructions.

At eh time of Ayub Khan he had no choice as Pakistan was being sold to India by than politicians, at re time of Musharaf and Army was undermined by not siding with it to teach India A lesson for its intrusions into East Pakistan

[patriot]

Hello guys, wait with your comments until we know what really happened.
All that we know comes from the CIA and the american media.
I think we should wait for the ISPR statement.
Then we can all criticize OUR armed forces and cry over the defense budget.

[gazoomartian]

I was just wondering, Do pakistani military establishment and ISI is sincere t Pakistan and patriotic institutions. If yes, how come they compromise on our Sovereignty ? As even a layman like me can say that, Its not the end its the beginning, now they have the strong reasons to do more operations in Pakistan. Whole world is laughing at us, and India and Afghanistan have already issued statements that they were already saying, Its the Pakistan, who is giving protection to the terrorists, and as a background of a future big drama, besides this operation, few days ago ISI was declared as a supporter of terrorists.
but My question is how come our think-tanks, policy makers, establishment are not thinking about this, or should we say Pakistan Army and ISI is not loyal to Pakistan anymore and loyal to their own benefits ?

Military and ISI are just as loyal as a hound dog.

This hasbeen a real, well rehearsed, edited, and practiced stage drama pulled by the Americans with approval from Zaradari. As I said in my other post, both, OZ (obama, zardari) stand to benefit from it in terms of popularity.

If you think this drama is just a coincidence just before election campaign in the US and soon to start in Pakistan, then you have lack of brain.

Our fauji and spy leadership are excellent. Its the govt that has been installed by the US for fringe benefits and Zardari is selling Pak to US in return for favors.

My only regret and confusion is: Why has the fauji leadership not overthrow the govt like Zia, Ayuub, Mush etc.

Answer to this might be that the media is owned by or franchisee of US CIA/StateDept, therefore they are preventing the leadership and the public from taking it out on the street

Good days for Pakistan are coming soon InshaAllah

[Unicorn]

I was just wondering, Do pakistani military establishment and ISI is sincere t Pakistan and patriotic institutions. If yes, how come they compromise on our Sovereignty ? As even a layman like me can say that, Its not the end its the beginning, now they have the strong reasons to do more operations in Pakistan. Whole world is laughing at us, and India and Afghanistan have already issued statements that they were already saying, Its the Pakistan, who is giving protection to the terrorists, and as a background of a future big drama, besides this operation, few days ago ISI was declared as a supporter of terrorists.
but My question is how come our think-tanks, policy makers, establishment are not thinking about this, or should we say Pakistan Army and ISI is not loyal to Pakistan anymore and loyal to their own benefits ?

Need more people like you only than you will be able to take your country back from the Army and keep your control over them right now its the other way around.

[rana14801]

I was just wondering, Do pakistani military establishment and ISI is sincere t Pakistan and patriotic institutions. If yes, how come they compromise on our Sovereignty ? As even a layman like me can say that, Its not the end its the beginning, now they have the strong reasons to do more operations in Pakistan. Whole world is laughing at us, and India and Afghanistan have already issued statements that they were already saying, Its the Pakistan, who is giving protection to the terrorists, and as a background of a future big drama, besides this operation, few days ago ISI was declared as a supporter of terrorists.
but My question is how come our think-tanks, policy makers, establishment are not thinking about this, or should we say Pakistan Army and ISI is not loyal to Pakistan anymore and loyal to their own benefits ?

i think u do not know that it was not a violation of our soverighnity. there is already a resolution passed by security concil that this high value target if found in any country,US had been given powers to operate without any further permission from any country. so plz if u do not know about whole then plz do not start mistrusting the capabilities of own army or ISI.

[pak4rule]

Good days for Pakistan are coming soon InshaAllah

Ameen summa ameen.

[Unicorn]

i think u do not know that it was not a violation of our soverighnity. there is already a resolution passed by security concil that this high value target if found in any country,US had been given powers to operate without any further permission from any country. so plz if u do not know about whole then plz do not start mistrusting the capabilities of own army or ISI.

O really, can you post that resolution here or provide a link here. You wont' be able to, can't link up with UN resolutions that are dreamed up in brain.

[biomat]

BROTHER ASQR1
Assalam-o-alaikum
I could have replied in same TUNE as yours but i will not.. I am not against our armed forces specially middle & lower ranks (see my post again). If all these top commanders of armed forces will come into their senses when they retire then WHATS THE USE OF THEM..
Now back to your point of view..
If our Pak Army is sooooooo helpless just as you presented (which i know is not) so stop taking 80% of GDP. Reduce it to act like POLICE.
Have freinds with neighbours AAMAN KI AASHA, open all borders & forget about it.
Bhai come on yaar.
Gazoo bhai is right & all those who are thinking on same line that this is all about "DEMOCRACY IS THE BEST REVENGE" motto.
Zardari is winning either with PML (N), Q, MQM, JUI(F) , ISI & ARMED FORCES..
As one freind told me that Zardari is not running the show, some one else is calling the shot.
Initial Phase of NEW WORLD ORDER..
ALLAH knows best. More deception attacks will continue to come. Be ready for after shocks. Both on Ideology, Islam, Country, Judiciary, Armed forces & many more bases of Society & Nation..
All this exercise is to make common man of PAKISTAN to say one day that I AM READY TO OBEY DAJJAL & HIS SYSTEM, IF HE CAN GIVE ME SECURITY, FOOD & SHELTER..
Astaghfirullah. May ALLAH save us from that day & decision. Ameen

[gazoomartian]

yup. now army supporters are gone like ganday kay sar say seendh. i can just say shame army shame

Pathetic qadyanis usually do that

[gazoomartian]

BROTHER ASQR1
Assalam-o-alaikum
I could have replied in same TUNE as yours but i will not.. I am not against our armed forces specially middle & lower ranks (see my post again). If all these top commanders of armed forces will come into their senses when they retire then WHATS THE USE OF THEM..
Now back to your point of view..
If our Pak Army is sooooooo helpless just as you presented (which i know is not) so stop taking 80% of GDP. Reduce it to act like POLICE.
Have freinds with neighbours AAMAN KI AASHA, open all borders & forget about it.
Bhai come on yaar.
Gazoo bhai is right & all those who are thinking on same line that this is all about "DEMOCRACY IS THE BEST REVENGE" motto.
Zardari is winning either with PML (N), Q, MQM, JUI(F) , ISI & ARMED FORCES..
As one freind told me that Zardari is not running the show, some one else is calling the shot.
Initial Phase of NEW WORLD ORDER..
ALLAH knows best. More deception attacks will continue to come. Be ready for after shocks. Both on Ideology, Islam, Country, Judiciary, Armed forces & many more bases of Society & Nation..
All this exercise is to make common man of PAKISTAN to say one day that I AM READY TO OBEY DAJJAL & HIS SYSTEM, IF HE CAN GIVE ME SECURITY, FOOD & SHELTER..
Astaghfirullah. May ALLAH save us from that day & decision. Ameen

We also must not forget the famous hadeeth of aqa: Qyamat key nazdeek kaferon ka bol bala hoga

In modern days this is how we define 'bol bala'. Kafereen dont necessarily have to conquer the Muslim countries, they can also install govts of their choice aka zardari, mubarak, king abdullah, etc. If that weren't enough now we have a playboy Bilawal in making of future leader - a young punk who is a socialite with all kind of girls, drinks alocohol (if underage NOW, he will when legal), Sherri Rehman a total secular and idiot - if this is not the bol bala then what would it be.

Why bother conquering a country when you can achieve the same outcome by installing a puppet??

Add two more to kefereen list: qadyani and baha-ees