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    News Beat - 10th September 2010 - Orya Maqbool Jan, Shireen Mazari and Qamar Zaman Kaira (Quran Burning Issue)

    Orya Maqbool Jan Analyst, Shireen Mazari Analyst and Qamar Zaman Kair PPP in fresh episode of News ...






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    1. I am extremely disappointed with the views of the host as well as her guests.

    2. Mr. Orya Maqbool Jan is comparing apple and oranges here.

    3. To refer to Holocaust denial laws and asking why is Quran burning being allowed...???

    4. Please understand -
    a) Holocaust was a crime. If it is denied then there is a possibility that it might be repeated.
    b) Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Communism etc. are IDEOLOGIES.
    An Ideology needs to be criticized and analysed.
    c) There are many books written against Judaism for example.

    5. Anti-Semetism doesn't include criticism of Judaism as a religion. It means harming Jewish people, physical harm.

    6. There have been many incidents of Bible burning in the west. Not just that, an artist took a photo of himself urinating
    on Jesus's statue.

    7. And not only is he misinforming the viewers, he is also talking about some dumb conspiracy theories.

    8. Defacing graves or jewish temples or churches or mosque will come under hate laws.

    9. Unfortunately this is a one sided program.


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    1. It is understandable, sometimes truth gives pain.

    2. Mr. Oriya Maqbool is telling the truth, he is just showing the true face of west, which has two faces, two standards.

    3. You need to understand

    a) To spread hatred is a bigger crime, holocaust (if it happened) was a result of hatred you can't stop another holocaust if you won't stop these sick people.
    b) Nonsense, how come burning of Quran and making caricatures of Prophet Muhammad comes under criticizing and analyzing of ideologies.
    c) There are also many books against Islam, but burning holy books and making fun of Prophets and holy personalities of any religion is more serious than writing book.

    4. Are Jews some special creatures, what about harming/killing people of other religion?? Any law there?
    5. Maybe Christians can allow this, but we don't.
    6. Again, he is just showing the true face of west.
    7. Again hate is more dangerous than holocaust. This is the first step towards wars and killings.
    8. Unfortunately, you are full with hate against Muslims, so you are unable to understand our feelings.


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    Please Yaar iss Host ko kuch Na keho Kabhi Kabhaar Smoking kerti hay Apnay Sath


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    1. It is understandable, sometimes truth gives pain.
    1. Lies and falsehood is far more painful...

    a) To spread hatred is a bigger crime
    2. hmmm...well then why not start from home? On this forum all kind of foul language and curse words are used against Hindus, jews, ahmedis etc.
    This according to you is a much bigger crime.
    On your news channels openly communities as a whole are maligned.
    We all have heard people like ZH say how cunning and dirty Hindus and Jews are.

    3. Just tell me one thing, have you ever read any Indian cursing muslims? We curse Islam, not muslims. Islam is an ideology, muslims are people. We differentiate between the two.

    b) Nonsense, how come burning of Quran and making caricatures of Prophet Muhammad comes under criticizing and analyzing of ideologies.
    4. First, burning of any book is wrong, and i will not defend it in any way. Regarding caricatures of your prophet, see, he is the representative of your religion, like jesus is of Christianity.
    The lies and hypocrisy that we see being practiced is what those caricatures depict.

    5. As i wrote earlier, even jesus has been insulted in the west.

    4. Are Jews some special creatures, what about harming/killing people of other religion?? Any law there?
    6. Hatred and harm against anyone is punished. So stop lying.

    8. Unfortunately, you are full with hate against Muslims, so you are unable to understand our feelings.
    7. I have issues with ideology, not with people. And yes I am unable to understand your feelings.
    Mainly because, whatever is written in your book, you have started to think of it as facts. Differentiate between faith/belief and fact, these are not the same.






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    2. hmmm...well then why not start from home? On this forum all kind of foul language and curse words are used against Hindus, jews, ahmedis etc.
    This according to you is a much bigger crime.
    On your news channels openly communities as a whole are maligned.
    We all have heard people like ZH say how cunning and dirty Hindus and Jews are.
    Ya right, why not start from your own home? Hate mongers are in every society, In your country, there are many who think Muslims and Christians as cunning and dirty, like Varun Ghandi, Bal Thackeray etc.

    4. First, burning of any book is wrong, and i will not defend it in any way. Regarding caricatures of your prophet, see, he is the representative of your religion, like jesus is of Christianity.
    The lies and hypocrisy that we see being practiced is what those caricatures depict.
    No, infect you are defending burning of Quran. And why to blame Prophet for what Muslims are practicing today. Prophet brought a complete way of life for mankind and its really unfortunate that today Muslims are not practicing religion in the way they should have been, just like Christians and Jews are not practicing what Prophet Essa (A.S) and Prophet Mussa (A.S) preached them.
    So this is nonsense to make caricatures of holy personalities of any religion of any religion and I would say they are extremist/sick/fundamentalist who do this.

    5. As i wrote earlier, even jesus has been insulted in the west.
    So do two wrongs make a right ? Those who did this are also extremist/sick/fundamentalist.

    6. Hatred and harm against anyone is punished. So stop lying.
    I was talking about anti-semitic law, why not another law like this one to punish everyone who tries to insult any holy personality of any religion. And I have not heard Terry Jones or Kurt Westergaard are punished coz they were spreading hatred infect Kurt Westergaard is Kurt Westergaard is awarded for so called freedom of speech.

    7. I have issues with ideology, not with people. And yes I am unable to understand your feelings.
    You have only issues with Islam, never heard you said something against other ideologies.
    Samajh jao ge jub apnay sath ho ga tou zaroor samjh jao ge. Insha'Allah

    Mainly because, whatever is written in your book, you have started to think of it as facts. Differentiate between faith/belief and fact, these are not the same.
    Well, its your choice, if you don't want to accept no one is asking you to accept. But for us every word of Quran is more than a fact and there is no difference between Islam and fact.


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    This is third time i am writing this thing on same issue on this forum ! psychologically US govt has humiliated muslims all around world . what they did is they played " Reverse Psychology " ! as sheereen mazari beautifuly explained how US govt is promoting and generating HATE in world ! this is just another dirty game of Zionists jews and oh yes zionist hindu lobby also backed this issue , this all is Reverse psychology . i have to mention famous ELITES CONSPIRACY HERE , perosnally i dont think its a conspiracy, there is so much stuff out there on this Elites conspiracies ....
    This is pure dual standard of Western Govts and Western media . on one hand even if you give your opinions against holocost , you go directly in jail ! and on another hand west is humiliating Islam (its not just another religion for them) they never go against any polytiesim . what they fear is of Islam !


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    and what the heck this molvi ludhyanvi is doing here ?? he is higher authority of banned terrorist organization Sipahesahaba . am i right ?


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    these type of Satanic events are actually very advance type of Psychological terrorism !!
    GROW UP GUYS !! KNOW YOUR ENEMY !!!



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