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  1. #21
    khan125
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    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    How do you say they are a sect? They don't even claim to be a jamaat.
    If you see inceased number of youngsters closer to their deen, its because of their efforts. I remember when I was a kid I would see only old people praying in masajid.
    Isn't it good that they never talk about your aqeeda or belief? Even then you are accusing them of propagating deobandiism? Come out of your shell and think rationally. They only ask to practice your deen according to your belief.
    What have YOU done so far to change Pakistan. Have you ever tried to change a single person? Rasool Allah has said "Deen seekho aur sikhao". That's what they are doing. Barelvi aur Deobandi ke chakkar se nikal aao bhai. sirf is wajah se kisi ko bura mat kaho. Musalman ke baray main to bura gumaan karna bhi mana hay.Allah Taala se toba karo aur jo log Allah ki daawat de rahay hain agar un ka saath nahi de saktay to un ko bura bhi mat kaho.

    Best tareeqa yeh hay ke jis tarha tum theek samajhte ho us tareeqay se tableegh karo. Beshak ghair muslims ko bhi karo. Kisi ne roka to nahi hay. Yeh to ham sab ka kaam hay. Laikin shart yeh hay ke baten chor kar amal karo.
    thats what is the impression but its not the reality it is mentioned in their books why this tableeghi jamaat was made and what was the purpose of creating this jamaat.

    aap sirf havaiee batin kr rahey ho koi daleel lao balkey jo guftagu ho dhuki vo pr letey to ye sawal ore maswarey na likhtey.

    Nimaz buree batoon se roktey hain ye mera eeman he .........jo nimaaz b parhey ore jhoot b boley be emaani b krey dil me bughz pe rakhey ,dunya ki lalach b rakhey uski nimaz ka koi faida nhi.kionkey nimaz buree batooon se roktee he.

    hkookulallah bundey ore Allah k darmian hain sirf hqooqallah ki batain kr k main cheez hkook ul ibad ko ignore kr k konsey deen ki batian kr rahey hain.

    bjaey apni pasand na pasand byan krney k behtr hota aap vo baat krtey jis pe ya to me ne aiteraaz kia he ya jo abi hoee nhi ya jo zeer e dehs he.

    is terha kroro insan hain hr kisi ki zati pasand na pasand ho gee.




  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Khan sahib,
    Kisi authentic scholar ki video nahi mili? Tahir ul Qadri is mutnazia person. Aap ne jo video post ki hay. Iss main Tahir ul Qadri sahib sirf apni khitabat ke johar dikha rahay hain. Kabhi in ko aap ne woh mashwaray diay hain to gilay aap ko tableegh walon se hain? Waisay yeh Dr. hain, Allama hain ya Shaikh ul Islam hain? Aye roz huliya bhi badaltay rehtay hain aur naam bhi. Waisay ab aap ki baton ki samajh aati hay. Aap aisi baten karny main haq bajanib hain.
    Plz apni zati pasand na pasand apney paas rakho yahan baat daleel pe kro agr daleel nhi to khamoshi behtr he.

    mutnazia person ...........usterha to tareekh me koi aik shakhsiat bta do jo mutanazia na ho.........I challenge you?????

    ye tum tableeghion k diloon ka bughz he jo zatiat pe uter ata he me bohut lihaaz kr raha hoon me ne kisi shakhsiat pe abi baat nhi ke.

    agar baat tankeed braiey tankeed pe he to yahi tum logo ki awkaat he daleel nhi sirf keechar uchalney me mahir ho ,lakin aik baat me b keh doo abi me ne kisi shakhsiat ki zaat pe koi baat nhi kee jb shuru ki to phir tumhain b andaza ho jaey ga k shakhsiat pe baat krney ka nateeja kia hota he.

    vesey b ye jahil or kum zarf logo ka sheva he k vo bjaiey daleel k daleel deney valey ko daikhtey hain.

    Mard ho to sabit kro k jo video me ne ooper share kee he Dr. tahir ul qadri ki ismey koi reference ghalat he.???????

    lakin tumhain kia maloom tum logo ko to maloom hi nhi k tumharey buzurgo ki kia aqaid they ore phir angrezo k paisey aney k baad un me kia palta aya.

    tumharey ulema tumhain ye btatey hi nhi k hazrat imdad ullah mahajir makki r.a. ki kitabain kon kon si hain ore unka kia aqeeda tha.

    aaj tk tumharey tariq jameel ne kisi khitaab me koi ilmi nukta samjhaya he koi aik misaal de do.
    aalim vo he jis ka kaam hi quran o hadyt ko aam awam tk khool khool kr bayan krna.
    na k kissey kahania sunana tariq jameel ki tarha.
    Last edited by khan125; 06-Jun-2010 at 08:39 PM.


  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Garam na hon. Sab bhai bhai hain.
    Behtr hota agar aap koi munasib jawab detey merey uthaey hoey sawaloon k.................pehley unka jawab dain phir agey chaltey hain


  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    JAzak Allah Khair brother. yeah woh log hein jo kehtey they "Hum Abdul Mutalib ka deen kaisey chor dein. bas inhon ney woh karna hey jo apney fore fathers ko daikhtey aiye hein, or andhi taqleed karin gaye apney uleema ki. khod nahin deen ko sikhin gey. shortcut chahtey hein yeah. Bas peer sahib ki aqidat karo, 11 shareef ka khatum karo, kondey, ghaus pak kay matwali ban jao bas. chahey faraz chot jain koi baat nahi, peer ki aqidat nehi chotani chahiye.
    Munafiq ki aik ore munafikat pakree gaiee...............

    taqleed to tum b kr rahey ho kis mun se ilzaam laga rahey hoo...............kia wahabi ho????

    ye to hadyt se sabit he k hzur s.a.w ka zamana behtareen he uskey baad uskey baad vala zamana phir uskey baad uskey baad vala.

    munafiq insaan kia munafiqat ne tujhey andha kr diya he k tu ye b bhool gaya he k mushrikeen e arab k barey buzurg mushrik they ore hmarey barey buzurg hzur s.a.w k zamaney se ziada nazdeek ore hm se behtr musalman they.

    tumharey shayad barey buzurg hindu hoon lakin hmarey barey buzurg jinko hm follow krtey hain vo momin ore muslaman hain.

    terey tableeghio k baro ne jo PIR bnaey hoey they vo kia tha terey DEOBAND ki buzurgo k peer kia kehtey hain Gaus pak k barey me ore to kia ****** ki tarha bk bk kiaey ja raha he.
    daleel nhi tu ja kr maan k goodh me baith yahan fazool me bk bk na kr or zaban sambhaal k baat kr.topic pe baat kr shakhsiat pe na ja agar maan baap ne kuch akhlakiat sikhaiey hain tuhey to.

    ye Pir he they jinki vaja se tum sab musalman ho aaj tk tableeghion me koi aisa aik banda b paida hoa ????????????

    Ye Pir he hain jinkee aajtak hr mazhab valey izzat krtey hain.tumharey ashraf ali thanvi ki qabar kia kia haal hoa tha maloom he kuch???????????

    jo sawal me ne kiaey hain unka jawab do agar koi zara braber sachaiey he to phir sach ko maan lo jahilo ki tarha jhoot pe datey rehna koi aqalmandi nhi.
    Last edited by khan125; 06-Jun-2010 at 08:44 PM.


  5. #25
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    yaad dehani k liaey dubara likh deta hoon iska javab do ya mano k deobandi k ye teeno ulema.
    Ashraf ali thanvi sahab
    qasim nonotvi sahab
    rasheed gangohi sahab

    mushrik they ,badd aqeeda they ,munafik they (kionkey unho ne pir k haath pe bait kee)

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    you "BIGOTED HOAXER"
    shut up!
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    you have something personal with Tablighi jamaat. Thats why you don't find any evil in any other Jamaat, or school of thought and in particular Barelvis, Shias etc.
    I think this thread is linked with tableeghi jamaat ,you post links about other sects i will give my views on them also.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    I follow Uleema deoband and I am proud of that. I am not a mouse like you who is hiding under this "that you don't follow any school of thought". But you have soft corner for Minhaj Ul Quran thats why you keep on supporting that clown and keep on posting his videos.
    You should be ashamed of that because there is only munafiqat i can find in this deobandi sect.

    their own elders have Pirs but they are against pir they call it shirk.
    they have double standards their own buzurgs are not doing shirk when they follow a Pir but when someone else does that then he commits shirk.
    extreme munifiqat.


    You are making me say that tariq jameel is the biggest clown i have ever seen.
    I did not want to get personal but this is how you have expressed yourself.
    instead of argument you have come up with personal abusive comments.shame on you.

    hindus are proud of their religion jews are proud of their religion even qadianis are proud of their religion what is the point in stating this stupid argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    Expose your self, BY Allah i will show you the true picture of the one you follow. But please don't tell me you are Ahmedi than you are not worth arguing, End of Story. I have seen you on other forum that you always try to put down deoband and their Uleema. But don't worry InshAllah I will chalenge you on each and every forum.
    Ulta chore kotwal ko dantey............
    baat kr rahey they unity ki abb , agey deoband pe, Iam proud of it, to meree jan sarey jis se proud hotey hain vohi kehlatey hain oroon pe kion gila krtey ho.tum khud aik sectarian soch k malik ho tum apney aap ko musalman nhi debandi kehtey ho phir kis mun se unity ki batain krtey ho.
    bund kro ye munafiqat.


    Tu kia chellenge krey ga apni munfikat hi show kr raha he hr jaga.jo sawal kiaey unkey jawab to dhoond kia terey deogandi ulema k liaey pir jaiz he baki logo k liaey nhi jaiz ,
    ye zara quran o hadyt se sabit kr

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    Let me tell you, you have no solid arguments just thick headedness that Tablighi jamaat this and that.Every thing we say are Lies and every thing any other maulvi say appart from deoband is sure hadith. According to you all other school of thoughts is full of angels and Janati. All of them are of very high repute and honour, yeah u devil!!!!!!!!!.
    devil tera --- ho ga tameez k dairey me reh...............
    achey burey log hr jaga hotey hain me nazriat ki baat kr raha hoon shakhsiat ki nhi.
    ilmi ikhtelaaf to imamo me b tha..........lakin shayad tum logo ko ye sikhaya hi nhi jata tum log to bs apney aap ko paidaishi janaati samhajtey ho.baki sarey kafir mushrik hain.yahi tum deo ka aqeeda he isi ki vaja se dehshat gardi phelaiee hoee he tum deogand valo ne.
    me is terha ki guftugu ka aadi nhi lakin tum shayad arguments pe beliaeve hi nhi kretey tumhara kaam keechar uchalana he lakin ye nahi jantey k is se apney kaprey b gandey hotey hain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    But if you support barelvism, qadianism, than I would love to talk about your imam AHmed raza kahn barelvi and his talimaat. I would ask you to answer why Britisher created these two sects, Barelvism and Qadianism. (Just to Divide and rule the Ummah.) And Jahils like you fell for it. Some jahils joined Ahmed Raza Barelvi and some Jahils Joined Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. I know how he was successfull in destroying the Talimaat of original deen with the help of british monarchs. How he was successfull in labelling uleema deoband as Wahabis, because they (Uleema Depoband) issued a fatwa to muslims of India not to fight along with Britisher against muslim Turks. So they have to pay for the price till today with the stigma of Wahabism.
    Now its really coming out of you the hatred against all other people.............that was the point i was trying to prove you proved it yourself.
    thats the real face of tableeghi jamaat thats what i said tableeghi jamaat only mission is to spread deobandi taleemat amoung muslims its a pure sectarian jamaat.

    you challenged me to prove that just read your comments i have just proved that.
    everyone can see the hatred in hearts of tableeghi munafikeen jamaat exposed here.


    You are just a hate monger nothing else................baat kr raha tha k musalamo ko unite hona chahey munafiq..........

    Kis ne tareekh me kia role ada kia kis ne angrezo se kia lia kis ne muslim league ka saath diya kis ne congress ka saath diya kis ne qaid e azam se rishwat me 50000 rupey mangey ,kis ne naya firka banaya ye khuli kitab ki tarha vazih he.

    Hazrat imdad ullah mahajr makki tk sab theek tha un tk piri mureedi jaiz thee milad jaiz tha lakin baad me pata nhi kis pe vahi aa gaiee k ye sab najaiz ho gaiey ya koi angrezo ka paisa chal gaya.kis ne eeman baicha zara tareekh ka mutalia krna aankhain sharam se jhuk jain gee teree.

    baki ulema e deoband ki hasiat kia he to vo kisi se dhaki chupi nhi aaj b deband me paisey le kr fatwey diye jatey hain vohi silsila chala a raha he.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    Well your maulvis are still following their imams traditions, (because their Imam also betrayed muslims of India) He started calling every body Kafir because they voice against west oppression. Majority of your maulvi are OUT FOR SALE and are on Zionist payroll thats why they come on CNN and call muslim freedom fighter terrorist, and never condemn jews attrocities. Thats the reason sufism, shiasm and qadianis are acceptable to west and nothing else.
    Instead of answering my question you are putting baseless alegations you cannot run away like that.answer this kia piri mureedi jaiz he
    1. Moulana Qasim Nanotwi (d. 1879): “The Darul-Uloom Deoband (the School of Deoband founded in 1868) was founded by Moulana Qasim Nanotwi.”[1] He was ba’yt (taken the oath of allegiance) at the hands of Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.[2]

    2. Imdadullah Muhajir Makki (d. 1899): The highly reveredPir (spiritual guide) of the Deobandis. He is the spiritual guide of Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Moulana Qasim Nanotwi and Moulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi.

    3. Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (d. 1943): He was ba’yt at the hands of Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki and the author of many books like, “Bahishti Zewar” and ‘Tafseer Bayanul Qur’aan’. He named many of his books after his Pir, Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.

    Like Imdadullah Muhajir Makki, Ashraf Ali Thanvi too was an advocate of Wahdat al-Wajood. Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s teachings greatly influenced the founder of the Jamaat Tableegh, Moulana Ilyas.

    4. Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi (d. 1908): Another prominent elder of the Deobandis, who was ba’yt at the hands of Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.[3] One of his famous books is ‘Imdadus Sulook.’

    5. Moulana Ilyas, popularly known as Hazratjee: (d. 1944): He was the founder and first Amir of the Jamaat Tableegh. He was the Khalifah (successor) of Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri, who was amongst the Khulafa of Rasheed Ahmad Gungohi.[4] He founded the Jamaat Tableegh on Sufi principles and incorporated many Sufi practices like Muraqabah (meditation), Chillah (40 day seclusion period) and the silent Dhikr (remembrance) into the routines of his Jamaat.

    7. Moulana Muhammad Yusuf (d. 1965): Moulana Ilyas was succeeded by his son, Moulana Muhammad Yusuf (d. 1965), who became the second Amir of the Jamaat Tableegh. Inamul-Hasan succeeded Moulana Muhammad Yusuf.

    8. Moulana Zakariyah: The son-in-law of Moulana Ilyas[5] and the author of Fazaail-e-Aamaal. He was well acquainted with Sufism and was given the Khilafah of all the four Sufi Tareeqahs by Moulana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri.[6]
    [1] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.222.
    [2] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.) p.32.
    [3] Irshaadul-Mulook, (Eng. Trans.) p.32.
    [4] Irshaadul-Mulook, (Eng. Trans.) p.12.
    [5] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.307.
    [6] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.304-305.
    Is munafiqat ka kia jawab do gey tumharey barey buzurg to piri mureedi krtey rahey aaj kis mun se shirk ki batain krtey ho.

    ya to ye mano k ye sab b mushrik hain to phir kam az kam asool to aik banta he.

    lakin agar ye mushrik nhi ore baki piri mureedi valey mushrik hain to phir to ye MUNAFIQAT saaf zahir he vazih saboot he k kon angrezo k haatho bika kis ne eeman ka soda kia kis ne deen me naya firka banaya.

    jahan tk mera ilm he barelvio ka hazrat imdad ullah mahajir makki k aqeedey se koi ikhtelaaf nhi.................

    abb btao kon angrezo k haatho bika.?

    Tumharey ashraf ali thanvi ,rasheed gangohi and qasim nanotvi ne to Imdad ullah mahajir makki k mureed they agar sufism buree he to ye gunah to in teeno ne sab se pehley kia he deobandion me.inkey barey me kia irshaad frmaien gey ??????????

    debandion ne sirf logo ko islam se daraya hi he aaj jo chehra islam ka dunya k samney he is me deobandion ka bara haath he.

    vo sufia karam hi they jinko daikh kr bar e sagheer k hinduoon ne apna mazhab chore diya ore islam me dakhil ho gaiey.

    Tum deobandion ne tu ulta musalamno ko islam se dore krey ki baree koshish kee he.


    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    You didn't find one right person in entire Tablighi Jamaat, shame on you while saying that, and you never feared Allah while Lying. Don't worry we are used to all that criticism, still we are expanding in every corner of the world. That is the Dalil of Haque.
    Shame on you ,you could not produce one right person...........

    Itna jhoot ore bakwaas likh likh kr abb jnaab mujhey Allah se dara rahey hain ........qurbaan jaon aapki saadgi pr.

    matalab dheet ho gaey ho sun sun kr lakin kabi socha nhi k itna log kentey hain tankeed krtey hain to sara nhi kuch tora bohut masla to ho ga hi!!!!!!!!!!

    tum kia ore tumharee daleeelain kia nazar a raha he tum kia tableegh kro gey.
    ghar me bevi behn beti ki koi khabar nhi masoof chila laganey gaey hoey hain.

    yaar kia baat ki he tum ne tum tu akhbaar se b saadey ho yaar isi tarha koi apni soch ki tableegh se haq vala bun jata to qadiani jo apni mazhab ki tableegh kr kr k thak gaiey hain vo na haq valey bun jatey.qadiani to qadiani kazab hi rahey gain chahey vo jitni tableegh kion na kr lain..........ore tum gund hi raho gey chahey jitna be deo ki publicity kr lo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    You will find Tablighi markaz in every corner of the world. Even a small country like Fiji. And you can not stomach that, thats your biggest problem. Now according to you Tablighi Jamaat are liar and after money etc etc. Well that is their personal thing, Allah might forgive them. But remember the Hyprocites, who betrayed their muslim brothers and were friends of Yahood o Nasara, and died without Tauba will be in the first level of Hell fire. Level from where the Hell fire will start. So watch your mouth before you speak.
    so what buraiee kafi ziada ho gaee he hr jaga aapko miley gee..
    personal sirf vo hain jo Allah or bandey k darmian hain baki hkook ul ibaad personal nhi kisi ka haq maar k aap isko personal nhi keh saktey.

    bs kr munafikat chore me ne sabit kr diya he k tableeghion ka masad sirf deoband ki taleemat ko spread krna he deobandi firkey ko phelana he muslamano me koi gher muslim phans gaya to theek vera main mission muslamano me deobandiat ka firogh he.baki masalik pe jehan moka miley khoob keechar uchalna he.ore unity k naam pe sirf debandi aqaid ko promote krna he.jhoot chahey jitna bolo koi masla nhi ,haram chahey jitna khao koi masla nhi munafikat chahey jitni karo koi masla nhi mamlaat ki to koi baat hi nhi hotee.bevi k kia hakook hain koi parva nhi awlad k kia hakook hain koi zimawari nhi man baap k kia hakook hain koi parva nhi.baki maashrey k kia hakook hain koi parva nhi sirf chiley laganey pe zore he.hooro ki lalach he.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Afzal View Post
    You still have time to repent and open your heart. Read the history yourself and than pass judgement. You keep on posting videos don't you have any knowledge of yours. you should confront me on your own findings and not baseless arguments. I naratted an eye witness accounnt of Chille and you refuted that. Let me tell you WHO SO EVER LIE ON THAT particular account shall be burnt in Hell fire, and who so ever refute that on the basis of refuting it shall be burnt in Hell fire. AMEEN.
    tu shayad khud hadyt likhta ho me sirf quote hi kr sakta hoon.............
    baki jo baat Hazrat Imdadullah Mahajir makki r.a ne kahi vo main quote hi kr sakta ho apnee taraf se mansoob kr k nhi keh sakta............
    shayad tumharey liaey jaiz ho lakin merey nazdeek ye munafikat he.

    baki video me jo imdad ullah mahajir makki r.a k barey main baatain kee gaie hain unka refrence agar ghalat he to btao me accept kr longa if you give some prove of it.

    agar sach hain to phir ye munafikat choro ore Hazrat imdadullah mahajir makki r.a k aqeedey pe ajao jo qasim nonotvi,ashraf ali thanvi ore rasheed gangohi k Pir hain.


    Iska b jawab chahiey k imdad ulallah mahajir makki r.a jo deoband ki teno barey ulema k Pir hain unkey ore debandio k aqeedey me itna fark kion he.

    In dono vakiat k jawab do jo haji Imdad ullah mahajir makki r.a k refrence se bayan kiaey gaiey hain.

    ye btao abb Pir ghalat tha ya uskey mureed ??????????????



    Iska b jawab de dena jo aiterazaat Professor rafiq ahmad akhtar sahab ne kiaey hain.

    in sab k jawab nhi hain to phir takleef na krna.

    Last edited by khan125; 06-Jun-2010 at 08:58 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by khan125 View Post
    thats what is the impression but its not the reality it is mentioned in their books why this tableeghi jamaat was made and what was the purpose of creating this jamaat.

    aap sirf havaiee batin kr rahey ho koi daleel lao balkey jo guftagu ho dhuki vo pr letey to ye sawal ore maswarey na likhtey.

    Nimaz buree batoon se roktey hain ye mera eeman he .........jo nimaaz b parhey ore jhoot b boley be emaani b krey dil me bughz pe rakhey ,dunya ki lalach b rakhey uski nimaz ka koi faida nhi.kionkey nimaz buree batooon se roktee he.

    hkookulallah bundey ore Allah k darmian hain sirf hqooqallah ki batain kr k main cheez hkook ul ibad ko ignore kr k konsey deen ki batian kr rahey hain.

    bjaey apni pasand na pasand byan krney k behtr hota aap vo baat krtey jis pe ya to me ne aiteraaz kia he ya jo abi hoee nhi ya jo zeer e dehs he.

    is terha kroro insan hain hr kisi ki zati pasand na pasand ho gee.
    They propagate to practice following six things.
    1. Kalma Tayyaba
    2. Namaz
    3. Ilm-o-Zikr.
    4. Ikram-e-Muslim (It covers huqooqulIbaad)
    5. Ikhlaas-e-Neeyat. (It covers your point that namaz stops from sins. Any acti will be beneficial only if it is done with pure intention.)
    6. Daawat-o-Tableegh.
    Aap ko in main se kis par aitraaz hay?

    Beshak namaz buraion se rokti hay bashart ke Ikhlas-e-neeyat se parhi jaye. That's what they tell you to do. You dont have to dig in their books. If you only follow what they tell you, you will become much better human being.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    They propagate to practice following six things.
    1. Kalma Tayyaba
    2. Namaz
    3. Ilm-o-Zikr.
    4. Ikram-e-Muslim (It covers huqooqulIbaad)
    5. Ikhlaas-e-Neeyat. (It covers your point that namaz stops from sins. Any acti will be beneficial only if it is done with pure intention.)
    6. Daawat-o-Tableegh.
    Aap ko in main se kis par aitraaz hay?

    Beshak namaz buraion se rokti hay bashart ke Ikhlas-e-neeyat se parhi jaye. That's what they tell you to do. You dont have to dig in their books. If you only follow what they tell you, you will become much better human being.
    I have spent 5 years with these people i am not a fool to come here and start discussing some people that i really don,t know.

    Haathi k daanth khaney k ore dikhaney k ore jo ikhtelaaf hain vo main bta chuka hoon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by khan125 View Post
    Plz apni zati pasand na pasand apney paas rakho yahan baat daleel pe kro agr daleel nhi to khamoshi behtr he.

    mutnazia person ...........usterha to tareekh me koi aik shakhsiat bta do jo mutanazia na ho.........I challenge you?????

    ye tum tableeghion k diloon ka bughz he jo zatiat pe uter ata he me bohut lihaaz kr raha hoon me ne kisi shakhsiat pe abi baat nhi ke.

    agar baat tankeed braiey tankeed pe he to yahi tum logo ki awkaat he daleel nhi sirf keechar uchalney me mahir ho ,lakin aik baat me b keh doo abi me ne kisi shakhsiat ki zaat pe koi baat nhi kee jb shuru ki to phir tumhain b andaza ho jaey ga k shakhsiat pe baat krney ka nateeja kia hota he.

    vesey b ye jahil or kum zarf logo ka sheva he k vo bjaiey daleel k daleel deney valey ko daikhtey hain.

    Mard ho to sabit kro k jo video me ne ooper share kee he Dr. tahir ul qadri ki ismey koi reference ghalat he.???????

    lakin tumhain kia maloom tum logo ko to maloom hi nhi k tumharey buzurgo ki kia aqaid they ore phir angrezo k paisey aney k baad un me kia palta aya.

    tumharey ulema tumhain ye btatey hi nhi k hazrat imdad ullah mahajir makki r.a. ki kitabain kon kon si hain ore unka kia aqeeda tha.

    aaj tk tumharey tariq jameel ne kisi khitaab me koi ilmi nukta samjhaya he koi aik misaal de do.
    aalim vo he jis ka kaam hi quran o hadyt ko aam awam tk khool khool kr bayan krna.
    na k kissey kahania sunana tariq jameel ki tarha.
    Rasool Allah is ghair mutnazia. Koi Aitraz?
    I am not affiliated with any jamaat. Jahan tak tableeghi hone ka taaluq hay to woh to tum bhi ho, Hazoor ka ummatni hone ki wajah se. Yeh alag baat hay ke apna kaam bhoolay huay ho.
    Ham ne apnay aamal ka hisaab dena hay kis buzurg ke nahi.

    Jis tarha ke ilmi nuktay Tahirul Qadri sahib samjhatay hain qabar main un ki pooch nahi honi. Siway wah wah ke un nukton se kia hasil hota hay? Tariq Jameel sahib aap ko qabar ki tayyar karwatay hain.

    Aajkal apnay aqeeday ko theek rakhna hi bohot bari baat hay. Hazra Imdadullah Mahajir Makki ka aqeeda kia tha? Kio Islam ke ilawa un ka koi aur aqeeda tha?

    Video main jo references hain, na to main un ko shahih sabit kar sakta hoon aur na ghalat. Mujh se in ka hisaab hi nahi hona to main in main apan time kioon lagaoon? Pehle woh kaam kar lo jin ka hisaab kitaab dena hay (huqooqAllah aur huqooqul Ibaad)

    Kisi ke baray main agar koi baat karo gay to khud Allah Taala ko jawab deh ho gay. Is liye soch samajh kar zuban kholna.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Rasool Allah is ghair mutnazia. Koi Aitraz?
    to sari dunya un pe eeman kion nhi le atee?????????
    plz answer this .............
    Jo haq mantey hain vo musalman jo nhi mantey vo kafir dunya me kaiee arab kafir hain.........

    by the way Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is only qouting Hazrat Imdad ulaah mahajir makki r.a.............is Imadad ullah mahajir Makki a controversial(mutanazia) person for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    I am not affiliated with any jamaat. Jahan tak tableeghi hone ka taaluq hay to woh to tum bhi ho, Hazoor ka ummatni hone ki wajah se. Yeh alag baat hay ke apna kaam bhoolay huay ho.
    Ham ne apnay aamal ka hisaab dena hay kis buzurg ke nahi.
    to phir kion wakalat kr rahey ho?????????
    pehley ja kr merey aiteraaaz prho phir sawal kro???????
    tableegh Islam ki krnee he deobandiat ki nhi.
    Tum shayad ghaib ki khabrain rakhtey ho gey merey barey main tb he itney yakeen se raey de rahey ho tumhain to mera naam tk nhi maloom tumhain kia maloom me kia krta hoon kia nhi.....
    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Jis tarha ke ilmi nuktay Tahirul Qadri sahib samjhatay hain qabar main un ki pooch nahi honi. Siway wah wah ke un nukton se kia hasil hota hay? Tariq Jameel sahib aap ko qabar ki tayyar karwatay hain.
    teree kam akli pe herat he bhugz ita dilo me bhara hoa he k sach ore jhoot ka fark kho baithey ho.

    qabr me sab se pehley aqeeda poocha jaiey ga,aamal nhi...........
    aamal ka daromadaar b neyat pe he taadaad pe nhi aamal giney nhi jaingey toley jaingey.

    ikhlaas tb hi mumkin he jb nafa or nuksan ki fikr k beghare koi kam kia jaey.
    jo jannat ki lalach ya qabar or dozakh k darr se aamaal krta he unko aap ikhlaas valey aamaal nhi keh saktey.

    Ikhlaas vala ammal vohi he jo sirf or sif Allah ki raza k liaey kia jaey na k jannat ki lalach or dozakh or qabr k drr se.

    allah ne insaanao ore jinno ko apni ibadat k liaey paida kia ore is ayat me yaabodoon ka mafhoom ulema ne ya rifoon lia he.k Allah ne insan ko apni pechan k liaey paida frmaya.uski ibadat uskey qurb ore pechan k liaey Ilm uskey qurb ore pehchan k liaey.

    banda to vo hota he jo bina kisi lalach ore koof k sirf or sirf bandagey ka hq ada krtey hoey ibadat krey ,yahi aqeeda rakh k haqooq ul ibaad ada krey isi k teht haqooq allah ada krey ore maashrey main naikee phelaney me ore buraiee rokney me hissa daley.

    yahn to deen k naam pe tijarat sikhaiee jatee he ye kaam kro itni horain ye kro itna gunah.

    jb momin ki tareef he ye he k the person who submits his will to Allah.
    phir apni pasand or napasand kahan se agee ,jb deen me b apney nafs ki pooja krney hain to phir Allah ki tauheed ore bandagey kahan gaiee.

    yahifarq he abb tum khud is pe soch lena k apney nafey nuksan k liaey Allah ki ibadat krna ikhlaas valee ibadat he ya apney nafey nuksan ko aik taraf rakh kr sirf Allah ki raza ki khatir ibadat krna Ikhlaas valee ibadat he..............

    phir daikh lena kon kis ibadat ka keh raha he.
    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Aajkal apnay aqeeday ko theek rakhna hi bohot bari baat hay.
    i agree with you on this lakin mera mashwara he k aqeeda bunyaad he is pe kafi research kr lenee chahiey.i have spent 5 years with tableeghis ,6-7 years with jamaat islami.but i haven't blindly followed them now i am far away from their views.we should at least study their differences so that we can hve some base for us to establish our thinking.
    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Hazra Imdadullah Mahajir Makki ka aqeeda kia tha? Kio Islam ke ilawa un ka koi aur aqeeda tha?
    Video main jo references hain, na to main un ko shahih sabit kar sakta hoon aur na ghalat. Mujh se in ka hisaab hi nahi hona to main in main apan time kioon lagaoon? Pehle woh kaam kar lo jin ka hisaab kitaab dena hay (huqooqAllah aur huqooqul Ibaad)
    If you have no affiliation with tableeghi jamaat then you dont need to know these names Allah ne aap se kisi be shakhsiat k barey me nahi poochan k bons sahab tahir ul qadri sahab k barey me batain k aap ka kia khial he??????

    jo jawab aap Makki r.a k liaey de rahey hain vesa jawab aap Dr. Tahir ul qadri sahab k case me b de saktey thee.
    Mujhey is munafikat se nafrat he aik k liaey ore asool dosree k liaey ore asool aik pe tankeed krna ore doosrey ko avoid krna k thora he qabr me mujh se kisi ne iskey barey main poochna he.
    kamal he bhai.....................

    agar tumhain koi nhi pata k tableeghi jamaat banee kio iskey barey bazurg kon they unka aqeeda kia tha ore Imdaad ullah mahajir Makki r.a k aqaid kia they to aapki intehaiee munafikat ore kam ilmi he k aap unka difa kr rahey ho jinkey barey main na aap jantey ho na aap jan na chahtey ho.

    Allah se Insaan ko apni maarifat or pehchan k liaey paida frmaya or iska raaz us pe beloos bandagi me rakh diya.zarror socho k tum kis taraf ja rahey ho.Poocho logo se k Allah ne insaan ko kio dunya main bhaija parho is topic pe.agar vakaiee tum us kaam me sincere ho jiskey liaey Allah ne insaan ko paida farmaya he.

    Quote Originally Posted by bons View Post
    Kisi ke baray main agar koi baat karo gay to khud Allah Taala ko jawab deh ho gay. Is liye soch samajh kar zuban kholna.
    vesey kia Allah ne tujh se nhi poochna kia tu bakhsha hoa he jo mashwarey mujhey de raha he us pe khud kion amal nhi krta.
    khud jo kaho theek he doosro ko haq nhi unhain psychologically black mail kr rahey ho its another tableeghi tactic.
    Musalman to vo he jo apney liaey pasand krey vohi apney muslaman bhai k liaey pasand krey.
    Last edited by khan125; 07-Jun-2010 at 12:05 AM.


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