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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Mashallah Hazrat Ghaus e Azam RA was Sultan Ul Awliyah and Great Wali ...He is also my Sheikh

    The sign of a Wali is conspicuous by his total reliance on ALLAH,making him independent from the creation because,in every instance,he seeks the help of ALLAH alone.


    The sign of a Believer is that he makes genuine efforts to earn a halaal livelihood instead of remaining idle and relying upon Fate.In this manner his efforts would reap sustenance as well as rewards and even if there is not much success in attracting sustenance,he would still earn the full rewards.


    Divorce the world from the heart and place it upon your hands i.e. acquire the riches of the world but let that not overpower or affect the heart:wealth can come and go but its acquisition,accumulation and safeguard should not become the supreme purpose or essence of our lives.


    Do not harbour the hopes of becoming wealthy.


    Only such advise is fruitful which emanates from a tongue of practice.


    You eat your fill whilst your neighbour remains hungry,and yet you claim to be a muslim.


    Always perform your salaah as if its the last salaah one would ever be able to make on earth.


    Do not employ DEEN and RELIGION as the means of earning your livelihood.


    If u sit in the company of the ignorant then their ignorance will envelop you.


    How can that person be a teacher to others,When he is not able to teach(control)his nafs.


    The first thing,which a man of intelligence should see the condition and composition of his own self and then all the creations and inventions.


    A momin leaves his family and children in the care of ALLAH and the munafiq(hypocrite)leaves his family and children in the care of his wealth.


    Worldly people run behind the Duniya(world)while the Duniya(world)runs behind those who seek ALLAH.


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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Quote Originally Posted by IamBack View Post
    He first read Quran verses and then used his own interpretation at 0.50, "Auliya ki kabrain pojatay hein.. " that is not written in QUran. May Allah foggive him, how come he knows that when somone go to Kabr of Daja Ganj shakar or Hazoor Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani and kisses the door entrance or grave is a worship? Is kissing a hand of father or mother or their kabr is worship? Is kissig a Jali of Rasool e Kareem PBUH is a worship? COme on get a lfe.

    I kiss hands of my mother, grave of my father, grave of my murshad with extreme respect, that means I am doing their Pooja? Seriously that's what this man believes?

    He also stated that Hazart Ali R.A did Imamat when they R.A were (Nauzbillah, astagfarullah, laholawalakovata) drunk ..

    May Allah forgive this man.

    May Allah forgive you and all others who referred a Hadeeth of Muhammad as his (Dr. Israr) words.


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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Quote Originally Posted by IamBack View Post
    You are not hurting me my dear brother, we are all muslims and brothers, you are putting your understanding across which is absolutely fine.

    NOw lets come to the points.

    First of all let me assure you that I have been going to Mazar's for years and do not know a single person worshipping WaliAllahs there. Infact they go their and offer Namaz, Nawafil etc.. They try to devote themself to Allah and ask help of Allah with waseela/wasta of WaliAllahs, no one ever thinks that WaliAllah is Almighty God, every mature muslim understands Sorah -e- ikhlas (except Rehman MaliK) and no one ever thinks someone equal to God. so That's the internal bit of people go to Mazaars.

    Now external bit.. Kissing graves, hands etc..
    I kiss hands of my mother, grave of my father, grave of my WaliAllahs with respect. how can someone decide that my gesture of kissing of grave is pooja ?

    one, Who has got the power to see inside my heart and second, who gives authority to one to decide that kissing a grave is Biddah or shirk when they do not even know that what is inside my heart? Physical Gestures mean nothing without intention (Niyaat), even your real Sajda of Namaz is not acceptable if you do not intent from your heart that you are performing Sajda. Also when Angels did Sajda to Adam A.S why angels did not become Mushriks? Because Allah Subhantaleh did not ask angel to accept Adam A.S as almighty GOd, Allah Subhanataleh said that I made Human better than you so do Sajda-e-Taseem. This proved that Sajda-e-Taseem does not make you Mushrik..


    So lets not decide on physical appearance and gestures!!!

    May Allah Shows us right path iNsAllah and again you cannot see right path unless you follow people who were at right path.. "Ehdi nasiratal Mustakeema, Sirat AllahZeena, an amta Alemhim". IN my understandings people who were at right path are Hazoor Sheikh Abudl Qadir Jilani and his followers, such as Moeen uddin CHisti RA, Data Ganj Baksh, Baba Bulay Shah, Imam Bari Sarkar, Nizamuddin Auliya.. etc. THat is why I chose them to follow.
    Thanks for your response.

    but brother , sajdah tazeem is no more allowed in the umat of Muhamad ,

    u could do tazeem to any one , but not in the form of Sajdah.

    This is only for Allah tala...

    Otherwise Sahabah must be doing Sajdah tazeem to rasool allah in their time.






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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Quote Originally Posted by Raaz View Post
    Thanks for your response.

    but brother , sajdah tazeem is no more allowed in the umat of Muhamad ,

    u could do tazeem to any one , but not in the form of Sajdah.

    This is only for Allah tala...

    Otherwise Sahabah must be doing Sajdah tazeem to rasool allah in their time.

    Firstly, I am not saying that Sajda-e-tazeem is allowed or not, I am not sure about that. Do you have any verse from Quran or Hadees where it is written that Sajda-e-Tazeem is forbidden?

    Secondly, What I am saying is that no one does sajda at Mizaars, infact one is foolish and ignorant of fact, who thinks that if someone is kissing grave of his/her father or of waliAllah is infact doing Sajda . it is simply one's own wrong understanding. That's my point.


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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Quote Originally Posted by atensari View Post
    May Allah forgive you and all others who referred a Hadeeth of Muhammad as his (Dr. Israr) words.
    Dr Israr read somes verses from Quran first which no one can deny ofcourse but then he did his own interpretation where he self-assumed that people are worshiping waliAllah's , which I do not agree with him. I never seen anyone worshiping WaliAllahs.


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    Farmudat (Gems of Wisdom) -e- Jilani

    Farmudat (Gems of Wisdom) -e- Jilani

    Moderators: Please not not delete this post because all the quotes have references. There is no intention to hurt anybody, the purpose is to encourage members to engage themselves in research so that they can find the truth themselves.

    The members can go and check the references and let me know if any reference is not valid:


    My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)


    Hanafis are people who are pacing toward Hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Husain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid. (“Piran-e-Pir Dastgeer” - The Saint of saints, Holder of hands - Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania- til-Talibain pg 190)


    The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, cannot dawn without greeting me and informing me of every single event. (Malfoozat Ahmad Raza Barelwi about the exhumed ‘Ghaus Azam’ Abdul Qadir Jeelani)


    Now watch God’s retirement plan: Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed:
    Allah has made me Eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation. (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51)


    This is part of History.... The governor of Baghdad, Ubaidullah Yunus, leveled the home of Jeelani (d. 1166), threw out his sons, exhumed his grave, burnt his remains, and plunged them in the river Tigris (1170 CE). The governor had attained Fatwas against Jeelani that he was a Mushrik and Kaafir. (Nooruddin Shams, a disciple of the Pir Jeelani, Nujoom-uz-Zahrani 6:142). The “Piran-e-Pir”, the eternal master of the universe, could not help himself. Even then, millions of Muslims continue to call Jeelani as Piran-e-Pir ‘Dastgeer’ (The Saint of saints, the Holder of hands).


    According to Abdul Qadir Jilani, the Salaat of a Shi’a is nothing but idol worship. (Ghania-ti-Talibain)


    IMAN-E-KHALIS (The Pure Belief)

    Fazil ‘Uloom-e-Deeniya, late Dr. Capt. Masooduddin Usmani, was a physician in Karachi, Pakistan. His work on Quranic Principles is truly noteworthy. He was no respecter of personalities when it came to safeguarding the honor of Islam. Following are some excerpts from his masterpiece book, Iman-e-Khalis in which he compiles gross transgressions by many famous and revered Mullahs and Sufis as follows:


    The difference between me and the rest of creation is that of the earth and the heavens! Do not conceive of me like any other, even Prophets. (Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani)


    Angels started walking along my path when I was just 10 years old. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Malfoozat)


    The dead will be questioned in the grave, “Who is thy Lord? Who is thy Prophet? What is thy religion?” If the answer comes, “Abdul Qadir Jeelani,” they will pass the test. (Malfoozat-e-Jeelani, commentary by Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri)


    Please remember that above three excerpts have been taken from IMAN-EKHALIS (The Pure Belief).



    Another Messenger will come and he will follow Abdul Qadir Jeelani. (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Hadaaeq Bakhshish Kamil pg 120)
    Last edited by Pakistani1947; 02-Oct-2013 at 06:56 AM.
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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    Quote Originally Posted by IamBack View Post
    Firstly, I am not saying that Sajda-e-tazeem is allowed or not, I am not sure about that. Do you have any verse from Quran or Hadees where it is written that Sajda-e-Tazeem is forbidden?

    Secondly, What I am saying is that no one does sajda at Mizaars, infact one is foolish and ignorant of fact, who thinks that if someone is kissing grave of his/her father or of waliAllah is infact doing Sajda . it is simply one's own wrong understanding. That's my point.
    Kissing is different thing and Sajdah is different...

    and u dont know even that sajdah e tazeem is never done by any of the wali Allah to his peer even..

    If you dont know the basic of Islam then hard to talk to u.

    even you dont need to kiss the grave.....

    the real thing is that u follow the message of these great people.

    I remember that real people never tell u to kiss them ....they want u to be nice and perform Islamic duties.


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    Re: Sheikh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani R.A GhousulAzam, a Personality every Muslim must know and follow

    With humble request and no offence I would like to ask one question

    " How these peers can help us when they are dead"

    could be any of the following?

    1. They share the responsibility of creation (The heaven, the earth and everything between them)
    2. They are supernatural beings and Allah S.W.T has delegated His powers to them (even they have no connections to this world now)
    3. Allah S.W.T has appointed them to run the system of the universe because the powerful angels appointed are either not capable of performing the tasks or not trustworthy or less in number
    4. Our dua does not reach Allah S.W.T (Astaghfirullah)

    would anyone who call these peers to help them in this time of tribulation answer please?

    Again with due respect and apology please if it hurt anyone......

    and please don't give the example of asking someone alive to help you or give you a glass of water etc......as everyone knows that it's within physical laws of this universe and asking someone living to help is totally different than someone who is physically dead and we cannot see him

    Please don't take it as sectarian post, I ask for my knowledge only and need someone to convenes me with proof that why should I call on these peers and worship them while the Al Hayi, Al Qayyoom, Al Sameea' Al Baseer can hear me and He S.W.T is in full control (did not delegate powers to anyone) and only He S.W.T can answer my dua then why should I call dead people who were not even appointed to do this.......

    please give a logical reply with clear unambiguous, unequivocal proofs
    Last edited by moahhid; 02-Oct-2013 at 09:39 AM.


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    Re: Farmudat (Gems of Wisdom) -e- Jilani

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    Farmudat (Gems of Wisdom) -e- Jilani

    My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)


    Hanafis are people who are pacing toward Hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Husain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid. (“Piran-e-Pir Dastgeer” - The Saint of saints, Holder of hands - Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania- til-Talibain pg 190)


    The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, cannot dawn without greeting me and informing me of every single event. (Malfoozat Ahmad Raza Barelwi about the exhumed ‘Ghaus Azam’ Abdul Qadir Jeelani)


    Now watch God’s retirement plan: Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed:
    Allah has made me Eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation. (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51)


    This is part of History.... The governor of Baghdad, Ubaidullah Yunus, leveled the home of Jeelani (d. 1166), threw out his sons, exhumed his grave, burnt his remains, and plunged them in the river Tigris (1170 CE). The governor had attained Fatwas against Jeelani that he was a Mushrik and Kaafir. (Nooruddin Shams, a disciple of the Pir Jeelani, Nujoom-uz-Zahrani 6:142). The “Piran-e-Pir”, the eternal master of the universe, could not help himself. Even then, millions of Muslims continue to call Jeelani as Piran-e-Pir ‘Dastgeer’ (The Saint of saints, the Holder of hands).


    According to Abdul Qadir Jilani, the Salaat of a Shi’a is nothing but idol worship. (Ghania-ti-Talibain)


    IMAN-E-KHALIS (The Pure Belief)

    Fazil ‘Uloom-e-Deeniya, late Dr. Capt. Masooduddin Usmani, was a physician in Karachi, Pakistan. His work on Quranic Principles is truly noteworthy. He was no respecter of personalities when it came to safeguarding the honor of Islam. Following are some excerpts from his masterpiece book, Iman-e-Khalis in which he compiles gross transgressions by many famous and revered Mullahs and Sufis as follows:


    The difference between me and the rest of creation is that of the earth and the heavens! Do not conceive of me like any other, even Prophets. (Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani)


    Angels started walking along my path when I was just 10 years old. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Malfoozat)


    The dead will be questioned in the grave, “Who is thy Lord? Who is thy Prophet? What is thy religion?” If the answer comes, “Abdul Qadir Jeelani,” they will pass the test. (Malfoozat-e-Jeelani, commentary by Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri)


    Please remember that above three excerpts have been taken from IMAN-EKHALIS (The Pure Belief).



    Another Messenger will come and he will follow Abdul Qadir Jeelani. (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Hadaaeq Bakhshish Kamil pg 120)

    Dear brother, You have distorted all the information and written in wrong contexts. One such as Hazoor Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani said that "Hazrat Ali R.A foot is on my shoulder and my foot on shoulder of all Walis"
    Shaikh Makaarim r.a. states: “The day on which al-Ghawth al-A’zam r.a. made this statement, every Saint knew that the flag of Kingship was now planted before Shaikh Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilani r.a. . On this day, all the Saints from East to West lowered their necks on his command.” Sayyidi Shaikh Khalifatul Akbar r.a. states: “I saw the Beloved Rasool, s.a.w.s. in my dream and I asked him about the statement of al-Ghawth al-A’zam – ‘My foot is on the shoulders of all the Saints.’” He says that the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s. )said, “Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilani r.a. has spoken the truth and why should he not say this when he is the Qutb, and I am his Guardian”.


    he never said that his foot is on should of Hazrat Ali R.A.. copy book image me where it is written as you said. ?



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