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    جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟



    جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    For those who think that Jihad Bis-Saif جہاد بالسیف (war) has been abrogated منسوخ or some think that only defensive jihad can be performed.


    1- Please read the article completely. If you disagree with it, then please do share your difference of opinion but with respect. Differ with respect.

    2-One of the Aalim mentioned:

    ”تنقیدی جائزہ کیلے شرعی نقطہء نظر یہ ہے کہ دو چیزوں کو بالکل ایک دوسرے سے الگ رکھا جاے۔ ایک ہے لوگوں کی نیت اور ان کے ایمان و اخلاص کا معاملہ۔ دوسرا ھے تدبیرکار کا معاملہ جو متعلقہ اشخاص نے مسائل کے مقابلہ میں اختیار کیا۔
    شریعت کے مطابق، نیت یا ایمان و اخلاص کو بحث کا موضوع بنانا سراسر ناجائز ھے۔ مگر تدبیرکار کو زیر بحث لانا سراسر جائز ھے۔”

    3- Please be on the topic & don't use uncivilized words, as we are humans اشرف المخلوقات & muslims.

    4- We are not animals & we are not offspring of Shaitaan, so please avoid any bad / foul language. Use civilized words as you have been taught by your parents. Control your anger & emotions.

    5- Do not put تہمت اور بہتان with out reading the stuff.


    6- Avoid issuing fatwa on your own, by calling کافر، گمراہ، خارجی، معتزلہ، جاہل etc. Please read below hadith.




    FROM PAGE 190





    FROM PAGES 214 TO 223













    Taken from "Dawate-E-Deen Aur Uska Tareeqay Kaar" by Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi.
    ( دعوت دین اور اس کا طریق کار - مولانا امين احسن اصلاحي),

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    Last edited by simple_and_peacefull; 04-Aug-2012 at 09:50 PM.


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    @saud491 I have read the article what point you are trying to make???
    Last edited by indigo; 05-Aug-2012 at 12:18 AM.


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    بھت محنت کرتے ھیں آپ اور میں تو صرف ایپریشیٹ ھی کر سکتا ھوں آپکو۔

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    فی الحال تو "جہاد بالدماغ" پر زور دو

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    @indigo

    waisy mein heran ho abhi tak kisi nay fatwa nahi dia iss thread pay tumharay khilaf yeh shaid ap nay start mein lecture dia achay ikhlaq pay us ka asar hai......

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistani92 View Post
    @indigo

    waisy mein heran ho abhi tak kisi nay fatwa nahi dia iss thread pay tumharay khilaf yeh shaid ap nay start mein lecture dia achay ikhlaq pay us ka asar hai......
    gor karin yeh thread mene nah8 shuru kiya

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by indigo View Post
    @saud491 I have read the article what point you are trying to make???
    Conclusion:
    1- At which stage Jihad Bis-Saif is initiated.
    2- Jihad Bis-Saif is not abrogated منسوخ.
    3- Defensive Jihad is not the ONLY option we are left with.
    4- There are certain conditions we have to follow for Jihad Bis-Saif otherwise it will be counted as Fasaad Fil-Ardh فساد فی الارض
    5- Ikhlaas and Taqwa اخلاص اور تقوی are very important virtues for Jihad Bis-Saif
    5- Some people put بہتان on Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi that he was munkar-e-jihad منکر جہاد, which is not the case.


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by moazzamniaz View Post
    فی الحال تو "جہاد بالدماغ" پر زور دو

    سورة الفرقان
    وَجَاهِدْهُم بِهِ جِهَادًا كَبِيرً*ا ﴿٥٢
    اور قرآن کے ذریعے ان سے پوری طاقت سے بڑا جہاد کریں


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by saud491 View Post
    اور قرآن کے ذریعے ان سے پوری طاقت سے بڑا جہاد کریں
    Bara Jahad kiya hota hai
    Quote Originally Posted by saud491 View Post
    Conclusion:
    1- At which stage Jihad Bis-Saif is initiated.
    2- Jihad Bis-Saif is not abrogated منسوخ.
    3- Defensive Jihad is not the ONLY option we are left with.
    4- There are certain conditions we have to follow for Jihad Bis-Saif otherwise it will be counted as Fasaad Fil-Ardh فساد فی الارض
    5- Ikhlaas and Taqwa اخلاص اور تقوی are very important virtues for Jihad Bis-Saif
    5- Some people put بہتان on Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi that he was munkar-e-jihad منکر جہاد, which is not the case.
    Aesa possible hai kay me bilkul hi galat hu Amin Islahi ko samjhnay me lekin mujhay aesa samjh aaya hay kay wasay to aam tor par jahil mullaho ki aadat hai parhae bagaer fatwa or buhtaan laganay ki, parhay likhay jahil log jo Amin Ahsan Islahi par tanqeed krtay ha hain kh aap dawat-e-Islam kay liyae jahad (chota jaihad/qataal) nahi mantay...
    Iski wajha yeh hai kay Aap kay mutabiq agar aap kisi qoom kay uper qataal krna chahtay hai to iskay liyae zaroori hai kay aap un par Islam ki hujat achi tarha pori krday or sahi tariqay se krday ek ek fard pe krday, or agar us kay baad woh loog Islam ko nah manay to un par qataal kiya jasakta hai..
    masla yeh hai kay rasoolo kay baad ab hamay koi batanay wala nahi hai kay kiya aap nay dosri qoom kay oper achi tarha hujat kaaym krdi hai yah nahi.... or kiya woh kafir ban gye hai yah nahi, rasoolo ko to Allah bata diya krtay thay ab hum logo kay paas jitni bhi technology aajye hum logo kay dil kay raaz nahi jaan saktay, kiya pata aglay ko baat sahi samjh aayi hi na ho ot aap us par qataal kr de.... phir yeh qataal na jaayez hoga...


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by indigo View Post
    Bara Jahad kiya hota hai


    Aesa possible hai kay me bilkul hi galat hu Amin Islahi ko samjhnay me lekin mujhay aesa samjh aaya hay kay wasay to aam tor par jahil mullaho ki aadat hai parhae bagaer fatwa or buhtaan laganay ki, parhay likhay jahil log jo Amin Ahsan Islahi par tanqeed krtay ha hain kh aap dawat-e-Islam kay liyae jahad (chota jaihad/qataal) nahi mantay...
    Iski wajha yeh hai kay Aap kay mutabiq agar aap kisi qoom kay uper qataal krna chahtay hai to iskay liyae zaroori hai kay aap un par Islam ki hujat achi tarha pori krday or sahi tariqay se krday ek ek fard pe krday, or agar us kay baad woh loog Islam ko nah manay to un par qataal kiya jasakta hai..
    masla yeh hai kay rasoolo kay baad ab hamay koi batanay wala nahi hai kay kiya aap nay dosri qoom kay oper achi tarha hujat kaaym krdi hai yah nahi.... or kiya woh kafir ban gye hai yah nahi, rasoolo ko to Allah bata diya krtay thay ab hum logo kay paas jitni bhi technology aajye hum logo kay dil kay raaz nahi jaan saktay, kiya pata aglay ko baat sahi samjh aayi hi na ho ot aap us par qataal kr de.... phir yeh qataal na jaayez hoga...
    Brother read below why it is جِهَادًا كَبِيرًا , taken from Taddabbur-e-Quran


    For your other point, please read it from Page 217 till end of the article again, if not possible then pages 217 to 219 would be sufficient to answer your question.


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by indigo View Post
    Bara Jahad kiya hota hai


    Aesa possible hai kay me bilkul hi galat hu Amin Islahi ko samjhnay me lekin mujhay aesa samjh aaya hay kay wasay to aam tor par jahil mullaho ki aadat hai parhae bagaer fatwa or buhtaan laganay ki, parhay likhay jahil log jo Amin Ahsan Islahi par tanqeed krtay ha hain kh aap dawat-e-Islam kay liyae jahad (chota jaihad/qataal) nahi mantay...
    Iski wajha yeh hai kay Aap kay mutabiq agar aap kisi qoom kay uper qataal krna chahtay hai to iskay liyae zaroori hai kay aap un par Islam ki hujat achi tarha pori krday or sahi tariqay se krday ek ek fard pe krday, or agar us kay baad woh loog Islam ko nah manay to un par qataal kiya jasakta hai..
    masla yeh hai kay rasoolo kay baad ab hamay koi batanay wala nahi hai kay kiya aap nay dosri qoom kay oper achi tarha hujat kaaym krdi hai yah nahi.... or kiya woh kafir ban gye hai yah nahi, rasoolo ko to Allah bata diya krtay thay ab hum logo kay paas jitni bhi technology aajye hum logo kay dil kay raaz nahi jaan saktay, kiya pata aglay ko baat sahi samjh aayi hi na ho ot aap us par qataal kr de.... phir yeh qataal na jaayez hoga...
    From Tafseer-e-Usmani by Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani

    Last edited by saud491; 05-Aug-2012 at 01:50 PM. Reason: add pic


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    would u please give any example of this Jihad e Akbar with Qurran in Islamic history?


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by seekers View Post
    would u please give any example of this Jihad e Akbar with Qurran in Islamic history?
    Famous story of Hazrat Umar (RA) acceptance of islam & acceptance of islam by lots of other Sahaba just by listening & reading Quran.
    Present day, just look at the muslim converts figures in USA, Canada, Europe etc.

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by indigo View Post
    Bara Jahad kiya hota hai
    Taken from Ma'ariful Quran by Mufti Shafi Usmani


    Taken from Tafhimul Quran by Maulana Maududi


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by saud491 View Post
    Famous story of Hazrat Umar (RA) acceptance of islam & acceptance of islam by lots of other Sahaba just by listening & reading Quran.
    Present day, just look at the muslim converts figures in USA, Canada, Europe etc.
    why don't taliban and alqaeda adopt this strategy of Jihad e Akbar with Qurran against US. rather than doing suicide bombing on civilians?

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by saud491 View Post
    Taken from Ma'ariful Quran by Mufti Shafi Usmani


    Taken from Tafhimul Quran by Maulana Maududi
    this definition doesn't match the meaning of "jihad e Akbar" from tafseer of surrah Furqan verse


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    @saud491


    Jihad is farz no doubt about it.

    But if u r waiting for old fashioned swords , and arrows , then u should know that by the time , the length of sword , and reach of arrows have been changed to thousands of mile , with laser guided bombs ,

    U should get ready for this kind of fight...It will be soon starting....

    R we ready of the war with this kind of swords and arrows




    The last thing I want to tell u that the reference u r couting here , inclding Dr. Israr , Move Modudi , Islahi sahib , ,,, no one was mujahid or did the jihad bis Saief by himself..

    They r just talking people , not practical...

    Where as our Aqa Rasool Allah was a practical person...
    Last edited by Raaz; 06-Aug-2012 at 01:20 AM.

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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by seekers View Post
    why don't taliban and alqaeda adopt this strategy of Jihad e Akbar with Qurran against US. rather than doing suicide bombing on civilians?
    Brother you have to approach them to get your answer.


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    Re: جہاد بالسیف کب کیا جاے؟

    Quote Originally Posted by seekers View Post
    this definition doesn't match the meaning of "jihad e Akbar" from tafseer of surrah Furqan verse
    It's an interpretation by Maulana Maududi. You can differ with him on this interpretation.


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