ضیاء زندہ ہے

[Resonant]

اس موضوع کے حوالے سے، میرا خیال یہ ہے کہ ہم لوگ اس وقت غلطی کا ارتکاب کرتے ہیں جب کسی نظرئے اور کسی سوچ کو کسی مخصوص فرد سے وابستہ کرکے اس فرد کو ایک فردٰ واحد کی بجائے ایک سوچ اور ایک فکر کی علامت بنا لیتے ہیں۔۔چنانچہ اس شخص کی حمایت یا مذمت کو کسی مخصوص طرزِ فکر کی حمایت یا مذمت کے مترادف سمجھ لیا جاتا ہے۔۔۔
ضیاّالحق مرحوم کی حمایت اور مخالفت میں بولنے والے لوگ بھی تین قسم کے ہیں ..:
1-وہ اسلام پسند جنکے نزدیک ضیاء الحق کی مخالفت، دراصل اسلام کی مخالفت ہے۔ یہ ایک غیر منطقی بات ہے۔جب ضیاءالحق صاحب نے صدارتی ریفرنڈم کروایا تھا تو اس میں بھی اسی قسم کی منطق تھی یعنی یہ کہ آپ پاکستان میں اسلام کا نفاذ چاہتے ہیں یا نہیں۔۔اگر ہاں تو اسکا مطلب یہ ہوگا کہ آپ نے اگلے 3 یا 5 سالوں کیلئے جنرل ضیاء کو پاکستان کا صدر منتخب کرنے کے حق میں ووٹ دے دیا۔۔یہ سراسر غیر منطقی بات تھی۔ ظاہر ہے کہ کوئی بھی مسلمان یہ نہیں کہے گا کہ ہم پاکستان میں اسلام کا نفاذ نہیں چاہتے۔۔لیکن اس سے یہ نتیجہ نکالنا کہاں کی عقلمندی ہے کہ اسکا مطلب یہ ہوا کہ آپ ضیاء صاحب کو پاکستان کا صدر بنانے کے حامی ہوگئے۔
2- وہ لوگ جو کسی نہ کسی وجہ سے مذہب کو سیاست سے دور رکھنے کے قائل ہیں، یا وہ لوگ جو ضیاء الحق سے اسکے چند اقدامات کی وجہ سے شدید نفرت کرتے ہیں (ان میں قادیانی حضرات اور بھٹو کے پرستار بھی شامل ہیں)، یا وہ لوگ جو سرے سے اسلام یا اسلامی کلچر اور اسلامی شعائر سے سخت بیزار ہیں اور انکو دنیا میں مسلمانوں کی پستی کی واحد وجہ انکا مذہب اور انکی تہزیب ہی نظر آتی ہے۔
3- تیسرا طبقہ وہ ہے جو مذکورہ بالا بلیک اینڈ وائٹ سوچ سے آزاد ہیں اور کافی متوازن سوچ رکھتے ہیں۔۔چنانچہ نہ تو وہ جنرل ضیاء کے ہر عمل کو عین اسلام گردانتے ہیں اور نہ ہی اسکے ہر عمل کو پاکستان ، اسلام اور انسانیت کیلئے ایک دھبہ سمجھتے ہیں۔۔۔
میری ذاتی رائے یہ ہے کہ کالم نگار کا تعلق اس دوسرے گروہ سے ہے جسکا میں نے اوپر ذکر کیا۔۔۔ کیونکہ انہوں ضیاء الحق کی آڑ میں مذہبی انتہاپسندوں کو رگیدتے ہوئے کئی ایسی باتیں بھی کر دی ہیں جن سے معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ انہیں اسلامی شعائر سے بھی کچھ کچھ چڑ سی ہے

[rajaokayoum]

ager bhutto zida hai in shape of zardari.....................and y not zia zinda hai in Nawaz shape...............

[M Ali Khan]

Zia’s long shadow

From the Newspaper | Abbas Nasir
http://dawn.com/2012/07/07/zias-long-shadow/






OF all the political legacies in the country’s relatively short history, Gen Muhammad Ziaul Haq’s would be the most enduring, toxic and tamper-proof.

For evidence, look no further than last Thursday’s front-page of Dawn. It was July 5, the 35th anniversary of the day darkness descended on our beloved land.

Darkness that would blight our country eternally or so it would seem to a reformed optimist.


If you find this too pessimistic, and you have every right to, just look at the stories adorning the front page of the paper on the day in question. The bigger display was given to the decision to reopen Nato’s supply routes to Afghanistan, the so-called Ground Lines of Communications (GLOCs).


But no less significant was coverage of the killing of a women’s rights activist near Peshawar; three murders near Quetta for which the extremist Sunni Lashkar-i-Jhangvi claimed responsibility; and the lynching of a man, said to be mentally ill, allegedly for the desecration of the Quran in Bahawalpur.


Zia’s overthrow of Z.A. Bhutto in 1977 may have been an act of ambitious opportunism fuelled in part by squabbling politicians and the time it took them to resolve their differences over the scale of ‘rigging’ in the national elections held that year.


That in December 1979 the Red Army marched into the western neighbouring country invited by the faction-ridden governing People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan was seen by Zia as a stroke of such good luck that only divine intervention could have delivered.


Earlier in April, ignoring widespread international appeals for clemency, the military ruler had hanged an elected prime minister after a sham judicial process. In doing so, he faced isolation in the comity of nations.


Now suddenly he felt confident enough to dismiss the outgoing US president Jimmy Carter’s offer of aid as ‘peanuts’ and soon became the darling of the newly elected president, the erstwhile Hollywood star Ronald Reagan, who started lavishing praise as he did largesse on a brutal regime.


The dictator quickly consolidated power and, like most coup-makers, one of his first victims was a key fellow coup-maker, the man whose troops had brought Zia to power. Yes, the commander of the strategically important (if capturing Islamabad is the objective) Rawalpindi corps, Faiz Ali Chishti.


While Chishti may have been headstrong and was, therefore, sidelined, most others were so career-conscious that almost overnight they happily packed away their smartly tailored lounge suits and urgently ordered the ‘Islamic’ waistcoat and shalwar-kameez.


It is unclear how many, but there were senior officers known to fall into saf (prayer lines) when asked to join by Zia even if they hadn’t done wuzu (ablution). In their scheme of things, it seems, pleasing the boss was far more important than any other consideration.


This reaction may have appeared merely symbolic in the short-term but that it represented a far deeper malaise, a criminal silence if not active collusion, which would afflict us for decades and tear away at the very fabric of our society.


The same year as the Red Army marched into Afghanistan, 1979, the region was being rocked by another dramatic development. The US strongman in the Gulf, the guarantor of protected oil supply routes, Shahanshah Aryamehr of Iran, was being toppled in an Islamic revolution.


That his legacy casts such a long shadow over the country today reinforces Zia’s mythical status. But some argue his ideology and vision and survival methods were no more sophisticated, enlightened than those of a small-time pesh imam who with his half-baked knowledge is poisonous for his followers and those that threaten his pre-eminence alike.


The general was able to remain in power for as long as he did and inject his obscurantist poison for as long as he was able to, simply because Lady Luck smiled on him. On the one hand, he was seen as a key tool by CIA to humble the Soviets in Afghanistan.


On the other, he was embraced as vital to containing ‘Shia’ Iran’s influence in the region by both the US and the Saudis. It was thus a natural corollary that the Saudi denomination of Islam became the dominant faith for this two-fold objective to the exclusion of all others.


In addition, in the early 1980s, when Zia rolled out the Zakat Ordinance, Shias under a little-known religious leader Mufti Jafar Hussain rose in protest and took part in a huge sit-in in Islamabad. Alarmingly for the army chief, many of his subordinate officers joined in uniform.The dictator relented and excluded the Shias from ‘enforced deduction’ of zakat (it is another matter how the Shias, a minority Muslim sect, multiplied if the bank accounts exemption declarations of the affluent was taken as an indicator) but he never forgot how the issue divided his khaki power base.


The rest is history. He was as clever as many a pesh imam in being able to quickly portray any challenge to his authority, his narrow obscurantist ideology (till then more or less alien to Pakistan) as an act questioning the tenets of Islam, almost likening it to blasphemy, even treason.


Writing in the Newsline magazine last June, accomplished novelist-journalist Mohammed Hanif, articulated Zia’s prime sin in these words: “The Pakistan Army’s biggest folly has been that under Zia it started outsourcing its basic job — soldiering — to these freelance militants.


“By blurring the line between a professional soldier who, at least in theory, is always required to obey his officer, who in turn is governed by a set of laws, and a mujahid who can pick and choose his cause and his commander depending on his mood, the Pakistan Army has caused immense confusion among its own ranks.”


Why do we protest as we lurch from crisis to crisis when the arbiters of our national defence and foreign policies are capable of such follies and despite taking a tragically heavy loss of lives themselves still seem unprepared, (hopefully not unable) to change course?


The writer is a former editor of Dawn.

abbas.nasir@hotmail.com

[mrbaig]

secular pakistani people who hate islam (but have no balls to admit it in public) always criticise zia and mughal emperor aurangzaib alamgeer ..

why is that ?


it is because zia ul haq and aurangzeb alamgeer were only two muslim leaders in history of subcontinent who prayed salaat or namaaz(all other so called muslim leaders were by name muslims,did not even know how to pray salaat!)

its heart warming to know that these two merd e maumin (zia ul haq and aurangzaib alamgeer) are still alive as a fear in hearts of munafiqqen.
i was asked recently that why that prostitute madiha gohar,s ajoka theatre always stages a drama which glorifies the alcoholic and music lover indian prince dara shukooh, and abuses aurangzaib alamgeer.my reply to these people is that worshippers of satan (seculars) hate any one who is practical muslim ,so they target the two practical muslim rulers of muslim subcontinent history that is aurangzaib alamgeer and zia ul haq.

(madiha gohars ajoka theatre also abuses zia ul haq and recently staged an anti islam drama in which islamic hijab was joked upon.

a ppp lover once said that if zia went to heaven he wont go there.i assured him that by worshipping an anti islam party you will inshalah not be going in heaven anyway.


every just and true person knows how strong pakistan was in zia,s era and how india feared pakistan than.and see what secular democracy has made pakistan into at present time.we are in the lowest depth of history.
so its clear fact that enemies of zia and islam are enemies of pakistan too.

thank you zia for giving us a blue print of islamisation and thank you for your reinventing the islamic jihad spirit.the flame you lit is still burning in form of afghan mujahideen etc who are defeating america now and thus causing depression and madness attacks upon poor secular pakistanis

لاحول ولا قوۃ الأ بالللہ

[Bangash]

حق اور انصاف کا ساتھ دینا چاہئے بے شق صبر کرنے والے انصاف پسند ہوتے ہیں- آج کی دنیا میں سوچ سمجھ رکھنے والے مسلمان بھی شرق میں مبتلا ہیں کیونکہ اپنے پرائے کا لحاظ حق اور انصاف پر برتر ہوچکا ہے جس کی وجہے سے ہم اندھے بن گئے ہیں

[ASQR1]

Facts must be presented in order to reach at a fair assessment of both Zia and Bhuto.

bhuto

1. He nationalized businesses.
2. He promoted Zia over other 15 generals who were to be promoted.
3. He told mujeeb tum Ohara or hum idhar
4. He had mujeeb freed from jail for the treason mujeeb was arrested.
5. He did start nuclear program for Pakistan.
6. He held a conference oh Islamic countries in pkistan
7. He created unions in schools and gave them guns thereby destroyed education system.
8. His slogan of roti, kapra or ma'am was a failure as he allowed all those qabza groups to keep their stoked lands where ever they have done qabza.

Now Zia

1. He agrreg to fight against Russians in Afghanistan and thereby got Pakistan involved in a foreign country's affairs, he should not have.
2. He brought draconians laws of extreme in society by forcing Urdu and stop English, I am not in favor of English but it is the language world unsperstands and Pakistan hass no choice but to learn it.
3. He threw out a legitimate democratic govt. elected by people by force.
4. He was the one who helped King Hussein to rid palistenians out of his country by force and in doing so he killed several thousand palistenians.
5. He created mistrust between Baluchis and Pakistan by treating them shabily.

There is more but I leave upto our patrons of the forum to see and decide for themselves.

[Scorpion]

My only reason to be against Zia is that he was a dictator and allowed the USA to get involved in Afghanistan matters . . . . As for his actions, I support each and every of his action . . . . However, I again clarify that had these actions done by a democratic regime/constitution, than those actions could be regarded as the best . . . .

The guts shown by Zia has no parallel with any other Pakistani ruler . . . . his actions definitly saved Pakistan from the advancing Russians and Afghanistan ows a lot to this man as for what ever the motive may be, Zia is the leading personality to liberate Afghanistan from Russia . . . . He and his ISI single handedly kept the KGB, RAW and Khad away from our sacred borders . . . . That can be proved by this fact that for the complete decade, where Pakistan was supporting the Afghan Jihad, very few terrorist incidents took place inside Pakistan . . . .

When he died, he left a strong and stable Pakistan with no internal conflicts . . . . RAWs attempts to destablize the Sindh, Baluchistan and NWFP had failed . . . . Infact India was suffering the major insurgencies in their Punjab, Kashmir and Assam, all thanks to the guts of Zia . . . . Had he survived a few years more, India could easily had disintegrated . . . .

He bought the religion and Nationalism back to the hearts of the Pakistani young and old . . . . Left a strong Army . . . . A strong Nucleur deterrant . . . . Safe western border for the first time . . . . Eastern border safe with India on defensive . . . . Introducing the rightest forces to the Pakistani Politics and giving the liberals a bloody nose by introducing a two party election setup . . . .

Now compare all this with our current situtation . . . . Where the liberal Musharraf, Kiyani and Zardari has bought us humiliation to the lowest most level . . . . Today, Pakistan is on the verge of disintegration by the liberal forces . . . . Infact the only force, which could keep Pakistan from disintegrating is the Zia era's Taliban . . . .

[MuslimPak]

I think its enough as a proof for the greatness of Zia shaheed Rahimahullah that all seculars and murtadeen hate him and can not stop writing columns or tirelessly using their tongues against him till this day.

[M javed]

This nation is suffering from 'colour blindness'.

We can not make difference between right and wrong

That is why we are suffering.

No one will come to help you until you help yourself.

Your enemies are within you.

Every-one here is a 'thekedaar' of Islam and Pakistan

Some 'zul-jina wale' some 'naam-nehaad jehad wale' and many others.

No-one is there to ask them - what is wrong with Pakistan which is a home-land of 18 crore people.

May God almighty bless us with peaceful thinking and a sprite of fraternal co-existence.

Love to all hatred to none. Please get out of this d-o-g fight.

[BuTurabi]

ضیاع الیکّ، جنرل اختر عبدالرحمٰن اور حمید گُل کے کِتنے بیٹے اِسلام پر قربان ہوئے یا افغانستان میں کام آئے؟
میری مُراد اعجازالحق اور ہارون اختر جیسے ذاتی بیٹے ہیں وہ نہیں جو بعد میں اُنہیں "ابا جی" "ابا جی" کہہ کر زبردستی بن گئے۔

شترو گھن سنہا جیسے بُت پرست ہِندو کو زین ضیاع (ضیاع الیکّ کی بیٹی) کا بھائی بنانا اور اپنے گھر میں ٹہرانا کیسا لگتا ہے؟
اگر شترو گھن سنہا بھی ضیاع الیکّ کا بیٹا تھا تو ابا جی ابا جی کہنے والوں (غیر ذاتی بیٹوں) کا بھی براستہ ضیاع بھائی ہوگا۔

[knower]

Shaheed??? LOLZ

Zinda Hai Zia Shaheed Zinda Hai

[knower]

Zia ke karname , is qaum ke agli 100 nasle sahe gi ... is ka karra dharra, aaj tak pakistan bukhat raha hai, manhoos na ho to

[MuslimPak]

Yes , the candle Zia has lighted with his blood will be enough to handle the darkness created by seculars like you , so yes your generations will suffer due to Zia.

Zia ke karname , is qaum ke agli 100 nasle sahe gi ... is ka karra dharra, aaj tak pakistan bukhat raha hai, manhoos na ho to

[M javed]

بھایو بات اصولوں کی کرو
قومیں اصولوں پر زندہ رہتی ہے.
ذاتی نفرتوں سے برباد ہوتی ہے.
اس سے قوم کا شیرازہ بکھرتا ہے.
غریبوں، بھوکوں، بیواؤں،بیروزگاروں اور محروموں کی بات کرو.
کسی کو گالی دینا، کسی کی تعریف کرنا اور وہ بھی بے اصولی اور جھوٹ بول بول کر کہاں کی عقلمندی ہے.
کون شہید ہوا، کون جنت میں گیا، کون دوزخ میں گیا، کچھ فیصلے الله کی ذات کو بھی کرنے دو یا یہ کے تم ہی سب کچھ ہو.
کون مرا کون جیا - اس فضول بکواس کو مکمل طور پر بند ہو جانا چاہے.
کیوں حسد کی آگ میں جلتے ہو.مثال مشہور ہے. کتوں کے بھونکنے سے فقیر کی روزی پر کوئی فرق نہیں پڑتا.
خدا سے ڈرو اس سے پہلے کہ اور بڑے بڑے عذاب آسمان سے اتر آئیں.
خدا سے گناہوں کی معافی مانگنے کا وقت ہے.آؤ سب ملکر پوری قوم کے طور پر رب العالمین سے معافی مانگیں تاکہ وہ ہم پر رحم کرے.

[mriteri]

more to come...bus wait and see...May Allah will give you long life ....u will enjoy fruits of zardari bhutto democracy......this nation will wipe of from the face of earth and Allah will bring new nation in the piece of land called Pakistan...Wasalaam

Zina ul haq or Chaingez Khan ek hi tokri ka kachra hai, ek nae afghan war ko legtimency dene ka liyae mazhabi jamato ko provoke kiya, or ek nay mazhib ka naam parh hazaro qatal kiya... kaha jata hai jis ilakae se chngez khan guzrta tha waha takhno tak hoon ka chapar lag jata tha... sirf is wajha se keh kuch loog shalwaar ko takhno se necchae pehntae thae.....

aap ki soch or pasandeegi par, SubhanAllah!

[mriteri]

i just wish you ever understand this historical phrase said by Chaingez Khan "if you would not have done big sins, God would not have sent me to U"
i wish this nation has ability to think instead of worshiping their so called God Nawaz Zardari etc.......

Zina ul haq or Chaingez Khan ek hi tokri ka kachra hai, ek nae afghan war ko legtimency dene ka liyae mazhabi jamato ko provoke kiya, or ek nay mazhib ka naam parh hazaro qatal kiya... kaha jata hai jis ilakae se chngez khan guzrta tha waha takhno tak hoon ka chapar lag jata tha... sirf is wajha se keh kuch loog shalwaar ko takhno se necchae pehntae thae.....

aap ki soch or pasandeegi par, SubhanAllah!

[intzar]

IT IS ALWAYS A HABIT OF ADMIN TO RESCUE THESE TAKFEERI GROUP I WANT TO ASK HUMA.ASL WHY NOT YOU DELETE HIS POST WHEN HE BRING THIS DIRTY ISSUE? DONT MAKE THIS FORUM AS A ONE PARTICULAR SECT OR SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IT IS AMAZING WHENEVER THEY CANNOT ANSWER SOME ONE COME RIGHT AWAY TO RESCUE THEM GOOD JOB

[Huma]

IT IS ALWAYS A HABIT OF ADMIN TO RESCUE THESE TAKFEERI GROUP I WANT TO ASK HUMA.ASL WHY NOT YOU DELETE HIS POST WHEN HE BRING THIS DIRTY ISSUE? DONT MAKE THIS FORUM AS A ONE PARTICULAR SECT OR SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IT IS AMAZING WHENEVER THEY CANNOT ANSWER SOME ONE COME RIGHT AWAY TO RESCUE THEM GOOD JOB

I have deleted his posts on this page as well...relax, I am going through the whole thread..all such posts will be deleted..lemme know if I miss any...Thanks for your co-operation..

[intzar]

I have deleted his posts on this page as well...relax, I am going through the whole thread..all such posts will be deleted..lemme know if I miss any...Thanks for your co-operation..

i dont know why this guy always bring this issue about MUTAA when he dont have any answer im sure he is not good server of his school of thought just like nadan dost sai danaa dushman behtar hai, any how why you guys dont stop these type of ppl ? only when we try to answer then they ranaway any how thanks for taking all measurment hope that he will shut his .... in future.

[Huma]

i dont know why this guy always bring this issue about MUTAA when he dont have any answer im sure he is not good server of his school of thought just like nadan dost sai danaa dushman behtar hai, any how why you guys dont stop these type of ppl ? only when we try to answer then they ranaway any how thanks for taking all measurment hope that he will shut his .... in future.

In future, don't respond to posts that promote sectarianism as it just escalates the issue...report them and a mod will look into it..