3 lines Denial of BIG BANG Theory:Amazing

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@Keepinformed yoU ARE RIGHT. IT IS SO, WRNA POOR WOULD REBEL, WHOLE SOCIO-ECONOMICAL SYSTEM WOULD COLLAPSE AND ALL. BUT I MEANT K THEY ARE SAYING KE IF WE DON'T FIND HIGGS BOSONS TILL NEXT YEAR, THEN IT WOULD BE PRETTY EVIDENT THAT THEY DOESN'T EXIST..
WE HAVE DONE MAGNANIMOUS TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS. SIMPLE EXAMPLE:
HOMEOPATHY, CONCEPT THA KE 'WATER MEMORY' , IT WORKS, SCIENTIFICALLY THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE 'WATER MEMORY' THEY SAY THAT HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE WORKS DUE TO 'PLACEBO DRUG EFFECT' U GIVE A SUGAR COATED PILL TO A SICK GUY, WHICH HASN'T GOT ANY MEDICINE IN IT, HE RECOVERS QUICKLY FROM DISEASE. THEY SAY THIS IS HOW 'HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE' WORKS,
BUT FACT IS THAT THESE MEDICINE, 'HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE' DOES WORK IN INCASE OF EVEN ANIMALS (PLACEBO DRUG EFFECT ISN'T SEEN IN ANIMALS/NON-HUMANS)
up till now they haven't got much explanation to this and its the time, 2012, when there are machines out there which can decode ur whole DNA/genome, when there are medicine complex which can keep patients alive up to 25 minutes with out them breathing (injecting chemicals)
its now or never situation
NOT BELIEVING IN GOD WOULD BRING ANY BENEFIT TO U? NOPE
SO WHY NOT BELIEVE? AT LEAST HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT IN UR LIFE, KNOW AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN VICE AND VIRTUE AND LIVE WITH DIGNITY! ^_^

[Qureshi1975]

From the sperms and egg of my great grands and so on...

ok why not you put ur sperm in some box and pretend its egg and see if you can make a life of that sperm?

[golmaal]

ok why not you put ur sperm in some box and pretend its egg and see if you can make a life of that sperm?

Why cannot I grow steel and iron in my garden? There is a reason for everything rather than leaving it to God, something like "God did it"

[Qureshi1975]

Why cannot I grow steel and iron in my garden? There is a reason for everything rather than leaving it to God, something like "God did it"

Because thats Allah's will if you can not grow steel and iron in garden its same as yoou can not come to this world without Allah's will.

[Keepinformed]

ok why not you put ur sperm in some box and pretend its egg and see if you can make a life of that sperm?

Spermatoza needs an egg to fertilize.

There are unicellular organisms also.

Reproduction is not limited to fusion of sperms and eggs.

Amoeba is a unicellular organism.

[indigo]

@golmaal Me tumharae saath yeh article share kr raha hu, bas ek choti si iltaja hai keh jjab tum isae parho to yeh baat dil me zaroor rakhna, keh tum galat hosakta hu or yeh article drusat ho sakta hai or tum agar isae druast paao to is parh keh believe kr lo ge... me nahi samjhta k isae parh kr tum Islam qabool kr lo ge lekin kamzkam tumharae zehan me ek baat aajaye gi, or kabhi agr tum bemmar parh gaye, ya tumhara koi aziz jis se tum betahasha mohabat krtae ho, is dunya se rukhsat ho gya, shayed tab tum is ko thori daer k liyae consider kro...

Ek lafaz jese apnae matlab yani definition k bager hali hai...

The Islamic faith is based on belief in Allah. When a person believes that the heavens and the earth and the world around him have been created by Him, and it is He who is governing them and it is He who will one Day call all mankind to account, then this is the beginning of religious awareness. Quite obviously, it is necessary that people have a true conception of their Creator. For this, they must have knowledge of the rational grounds of His existence as well as knowledge about gaining His correct recognition (ma`rifat).


In this article we shall dwell upon these twin issues.

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We shall first take up the issue of the Almighty's existence. A logical starting point in this regard would be to analyze all human sources of knowledge. A little deliberation shows that, apart from Divine Guidance revealed to the Prophets, man has three sources of knowledge. We shall examine each one of them.

a) Faculty of Intuition: Certain a priori information exists in every person's intuition: it pertains to the knowledge which is not learned through the senses but which is innate and inborn in an individual. This innate information consists of various concepts. For example the concept of contradiction is an information present in our intuition. This concept, of course, is not a tangible thing. However, we apply this concept to a certain phenomenon and conclude that contradiction exists. Similarly, the fact that a thing is smaller than another is a concept which exists in our intuition and has no external form. Harmony, part and whole, unity, cause, space (up, down), time (before, after), etc are other examples of such concepts present in a person's intuition since his very birth. Human emotions like love and hatred, etc and human conscience, which discriminates between good and evil etc are some other examples of information which are present in our intuition.

b) Faculty of Sense Perception: Similarly, man receives knowledge through his five senses from the external environment. A person's senses are his receptors, which link him to the outside world. He sees, hears, touches, smells and tastes a thing and gets information about it. Moreover, this information gathered by the senses is transmitted to the later generations and such information becomes established history.

c) Faculty of Reason: Now, the human faculty of reason collates the information that it receives through the senses with the innate information present in human intuition. This internal analyses produces results, which, if proven correct, become facts and add to the treasure of human knowledge. One form of this analysis is called induction ie general laws are deduced by analysing particular examples. Many conclusions reached in this regard are not tangible facts. In fact, these conclusions are supported by evidence that exists in the external world. Most scientific laws which have been discovered are of this nature. One does not see the force of gravity, yet undeniable proof exists of its existence. Similarly, it is a fact that the earth is rotating on its axis at a very high speed and also, at the same time, revolving round the sun. Obviously, these are things our senses do not register; yet this rotation and this revolution are irrefutable realities. The point which is being made is that besides knowledge received through the senses and through intuition, there is another kind of knowledge in which knowledge and information are gathered through the process of induction and analysis. Such facts are not seen or heard or touched or tasted or smelt but are arrived at after evaluating what is perceived through the senses and what is already present in our intuition. This particular source of knowledge, it seems, is something which distinguishes man from other species which inhabit this earth.

In the light of this analysis, consider now how we have knowledge of the existence of the Almighty. No doubt, our senses have no means to perceive the Almighty. A person's intuition, on the other hand, has ample testimony within it which corroborates the existence of a Supreme Being. However, if a person does not pay heed to the testimony of his intuition, the third source of knowledge makes the existence of Allah the most manifest reality in this universe. This universe is brimming with certain signs and indications that point to the existence of a Creator. We shall allude to some of these:

Their exists a certain order and control in the universe. It is, in fact, this order to which we owe our very existence. Man till now has been able to explore a major part of the solar system in which he dwells on a very tiny part of it. His knowledge of the solar system and of what is beyond it shows that definite physical laws control the movement of all heavenly bodies. The precision and accuracy in these movements is astounding. Like mechanical parts of a machine each heavenly body seems to be controlled by a central system which is working without blemish. The sun and the moon, the two heavenly each person can observe, show remarkable consistency in following a particular schedule. Similarly, the coming of day and night at their appointed times has become an unerring phenomenon. Moreover, man's own body is a whole compound of extraordinary systems, which work with unimaginable order.
In other words, there exists a tremendous order and control in this universe, both at the cosmic and the human level.

With this Order and Control, there exists a great amount of Providence in this world. All phenomena of nature seem to be directed at the obedient service of man. The sun rises and sets for him and the moon waxes and wanes for him. The waves of the sea serve man and the waters of the springs are for his comfort. It is he for whom the clouds burst with rain and it is he for whom the stars shine to show the way. This Providence is evident in the tiniest of nature's manifestations.

A person who lives in this world experiences the Benevolence and Mercy of some Superior Being. It is the wish of every individual who lives in this world to live as long as possible. To escape death as much as he can is a strong desire within him. His love for this world and for the attractions within it is unceasing. This attitude of man clearly shows that he considers his existence an act of benevolence and mercy.

The whole world seems to be created with a certain purpose. It seems as if man and woman, families, tribes, civilizations all have certain objectives to fulfil. Similarly, there exists a tremendous amount of harmony between diverse manifestations of nature, which seem to be assisting one another to achieve a common goal. It is this aspect of the striking amount of creativity around us that we call Wisdom.

This macrocosm in which is present this immense control, this boundless benevolence, this profound providence and this overwhelming wisdom induces human reason to ponder on it. The curiosity within a person motivates him to find a plausible explanation of these great manifestations. The Quran says that the only explanation of all this is that a Cognizant and Responsive Being has brought this world into existence who from the very beginning is running its affairs:

"Your God is one God. There is no Gobut He. He is the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful. Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of night and day; in the ships that sail the ocean with cargoes beneficial; in the water, Allah sends down from the clouds and with which He revives the dead earth and with which He dispersed over it all kinds of animals; in the movement of winds and in the clouds that are driven between the earth and the sky surely are signs for men of understanding." (2:163-164)

(ایمان والو، اِنھیں فیصلہ کرنے دو) اور (اِن سے قطعِ نظر کر کے تم یہ حقیقت اب اچھی طرح سمجھ لو کہ)تمھارا الٰہ ایک ہی الٰہ ہے، اُس کے سوا کوئی الٰہ نہیں، وہ سراسر رحمت ہے، اُس کی شفقت ابدی ہے۔

The existence of the Almighty is the only plausible explanation of this universe. For something to be the only explanation of a phenomenon it is necessary that it fulfil all the requirements and requisites of that phenomenon. For example, if for some reason we tear a piece of writing to pieces and throw them in a waste paper basket, and later the written paper is needed, what we do is that we gather all the pieces of paper from the basket and by joining them together try to reconstruct what had been written. After some effort, we succeed in our efforts. Disjointed words and scattered phrases became a meaningful piece of writing. What is now infront of us is an undeniable reality in which words have been knitted together in a particular pattern of arrangement. No other arrangement of words is possible to make the writing seem meaningful.

Similar is the position of Allah with regard to this universe. The components of this universe only seem meaningful because of His existence. His existence is the only explanation after which this universe can be termed as an explained phenomenon. It is this basic argument which the Quran gives in this regard. It says that belief in Allah illuminates this world. Without this light, this universe is darkness; darkness for reason and rationality:

"[Belief in] Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth! His light, in terms of a similitude, is like a niche in which there is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass as if it were a brilliant star -- that is being kindled by [the oil of] a blessed olive tree that is neither [of the] eastern nor [of the] western [side]: its oil would all but light up, even though no fire touched it. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomever He wishes. And Allah strikes similitudes for people. And Allah has knowledge of everything.-- This niche is in those houses which He has ordered to be built for the remembrance of His name. In them, morning and evening those people glorify Him whom neither trade nor profit divert them from remembering Allah, from offering prayers, from paying zakat; who dread the Day when men's hearts and eyes shall writhe with anguish. [They do all this] that God may best reward them for their deeds and give them even more out of His Grace and Allah shall give without measure whom He pleases [according to His law]. As for the unbelievers, the similitude of their deeds is like a mirage in a sandy desert. The thirsty mistakes it for water; but when he comes up to it, he finds nothing. He, however, finds God there who pays him back in full and Allah is swift in reckoning. Or their similitude is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with billow topped by billow topped by clouds. Darkness upon darkness. If he stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it. Indeed, the man from whom Allah withholds His light, shall find no light at all." (24:35-40)

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We now address ourselves to the second issue, viz how can the correct recognition (ma`rifat) of the Almighty be obtained in this world? In this regard, the Quran says that it is not possible to observe the Almighty. In other words, it is not possible for us to attain his recognition through visual experience. The Quran says that whatever concept we have of the Almighty is with reference to His attributes since we have no means to comprehend His Being. The reason for this is that we can only have knowledge of someone's being when we are either able to perceive it through our senses or we are able to comprehend it by considering it to be analogous to beings which our senses can perceive. It is clear that the Almighty's Being cannot be conceived since both these means are not available to us. Consequently, the Quran says:


"No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision." (6:103)

اُس کو نگاہیں نہیں پا سکتیں، لیکن وہ نگاہوں کو پا لیتا ہے۔ وہ نہایت باریک بین اور بڑا با خبر ہے۔

When Moses, (sws) one the most distinguished of Prophets, asked Allah to give him the chance of directly observing Him, he was clearly told that his wish could not be fulfilled:

"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us and his Lord addressed him, he said: Lord give me the ability to observe that I may look upon thee. The Lord said: By no means can you see Me. But look upon the mount. If it abides in its place, you shall be able to see Me. When His Lord manifested His glory on the mount it was crushed to pieces and Moses became unconscious. When he recovered his senses he said: Glory be to you! To you I turn in repentance and I am the first to believe." (7:143)

جب موسیٰ ہمارے ٹھیرائے ہوئے وقت پر پہنچ گیا اور اُس کے پروردگار نے اُس سے کلام کیا تو اُس نے التجا کی کہ پروردگار ، مجھے موقع دے کہ میں تجھے دیکھوں۔ فرمایا: تم مجھے ہرگز نہیں دیکھ سکو گے۔ البتہ، اِس پہاڑ کی طرف دیکھو، اگر یہ اپنی جگہ پر قائم رہ جائے تو آگے تم بھی مجھے دیکھ سکو گے۔ پھر جب اُس کے پروردگار نے پہاڑ (کے ایک حصے) پر تجلی کی تو اُس کو ریزہ ریزہ کر دیا اور موسیٰ بے ہوش ہو کر گر پڑے۔ پھر جب ہوش آیا تو بولے: تو پاک ہے، میں تیرے حضور توبہ کرتا ہوں اور (گواہی دیتا ہوں کہ) سب سے پہلے ماننے والا میں ہوں۔

The Quran positively asserts that the recognition of the Almighty must be obtained through His attributes. The reason for this is that we find a reflection of these attributes in our own selves. We are aware of mercy, power, wisdom, justice and control in our own selves to some extent.

Consequently, we are able to conceive the Almighty with respect to His attributes. The Quran says that man should restrict himself to this conception of the Almighty. This concept is enough to fulfil all the requirements which belief in Him entail. To acknowledge the oneness of the Almighty, to prostrate oneself infront of Him, to seek help from Him, to obey all His directives and to worship Him are what belief in Him entail. If we have knowledge of His attributes, we have His recognition (ma`rifat) after which all these requirements can be fulfilled.
Moreover, two aspects must remain in consideration in this regard. To obtain the correct recognition of Allah, belief in Him should be professed with all His attributes. Secondly, only those attributes should be accepted in Him which have been delineated by Him in the Books revealed to His Prophets. In this regard, no person on his own should ascribe any attribute to Him.

If these two aspects are not kept into consideration, grave consequences result. For example people who acknowledged the attribute of Mercy in Him and ignored His attribute of Justice, committed so many sins that they became unworthy of the Mercy they were actually seeking. Similarly, people who recognized His attribute of Power and became indifferent to His Wisdom ultimately ended in believing that if the Almighty puts the most righteous of people in Hell and the most sinful of them in heaven, He has all the power and authority to do so. Other people who ascribed to Him attributes of their own, in fact, also ended up outside the folds of the religion revealed to them. For example, the proponents of Tasawwuf, while discussing the highest level of Tauheed, acknowledge existence only for the Almighty and simultaneously affirm that no one besides Him actually exists. All the determinations (ta`ayyunaat) of the Universe whether observed directly or perceived through reason and intellect are mental concepts and emanate from the Absolute Being -- the Almighty. They have no external existence beyond the Absolute Being. The Universe is actually another name for the manifestations of Allah. It is God as regards its substance though it cannot be considered so as regards its determinations. Its nature is nothingness (`adam). If it is regarded to exist then this would be associating something in the Being of Allah, and this is precisely what they negate by saying: Laa maujooda illalaah (there is nothing except God).


These are some of the very blatant results of not keeping in consideration the correct attributes of Allah.


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golmaal

[indigo]

Read this first

What Science is NOT

1. Science is not a process that can solve all kinds of problems and questions.
The realm of science is limited strictly to solving problems about the natural world. Science is not properly equipped to handle the supernatural realm (as such), nor the realm of values and ethics.

2. It's not a process that can ignore rules.
Science must follow certain rules; otherwise, it's not science (just as soccer is not soccer if its rules are not followed).

3. It's not a process that seeks the truth or facts.
The goal of science is to come as close as we can to understanding the cause-effect realities of the natural world. It's never "truth" or "facts". "Truth" and "facts" can mean different things to different people.

4. It's not a process that attempts to prove things.
The process of science, when properly applied, actually attempts to disprove ideas (tentative explanations)... a process called "testing", or "challenging". If the idea survives testing, then it is stronger, and more likely an accurate explanation.

5. It's not a process that can produce any kind of explanation.
Scientific explanations must be potentially disprovable. Therefore, supernatural explanations cannot be used, since they can never be disproved (supernatural forces, by definition, do not predictably follow the laws of nature). Whatever results occur in any test can be attributed to those nebulous forces, effectively ending any further efforts to explain.

6. It's not a process that produces certainties, or absolute facts.
Science is a process which can only produce "possible" to "highly probable" explanations for natural phenomena; these are never certainties. With new information, tools, or approaches, earlier findings (theories, or even facts) can be replaced by new findings.

7. It's not a process that can always be relied upon due to its total objectivity and internal self-correction.
Science can be done poorly, just like any other human endeavor. We are all fallible, some of us make fewer mistakes than others, some observe better than others, but we are still subjective in the end. Internal self-correction mechanisms in science merely increase the reliability of its product.

8. It's not a process that is always properly used.
Unfortunately, science is all too frequently misused. Because it works so well, there are those who apply the name of science to their efforts to "prove" their favorite cause, even if the rules of science were not followed. Such causes are properly labeled "pseudosciences". Also, some scientists have been known to do fraudulent work, in order to support their pet ideas. Such work is usually exposed sooner or later, due to the peer review system, and the work of other scientists.

9. It's not a process that is free from values, opinions or bias.
Scientists are people, and although they follow certain rules and try to be as objective as possible, both in their observations and their interpretations, their biases are still there. Unconscious racial bias, gender bias, social status, source of funding, or political leanings can and do influence one's perceptions and interpretations.

10. It's not a process in which the product (understanding) is based on faith or belief.
The product of science (probable explanations for natural phenomena) are always based onobservations carefully analyzed and tested. The high confidence we have in science comes from the many successful applications to real-life problems (e.g. in medicine, space exploration, chemistry and technology).

11. It's not a process in which one solution is as good as another, or is simply a matter of opinion.
In science, there is a rigorous analysis and fair-test comparison of alternative explanations, using discriminate criteria, e.g., confirmation by multiple independent lines of evidence, leading to one"best" solution.

12. Scientific Theories are not "tentative ideas" or "hunches".
The word "theory" is often used this way in everyday conversation, but a theory in science refers to a highly probable, well-tested comprehensive explanation, usually for a large collection of observations.

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golmaal

[Rehmani]

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

Who Are The Deaf & Blind

IT IS THE DISBELIEVERS – NOT THOSE IN THE GRAVES! [Baqarah 2:18] Deaf, dumb and blind; and they are not to return. [Baqarah 2:171] And the example of the disbelievers is similar to one who calls upon one that hears nothing except screaming and yelling; deaf, dumb, blind - so they do not have sense. [Maidah 5:71] And they assumed that there will be no punishment, so they turned blind and deaf - then Allah accepted their penance, then again many of them turned blind and deaf; and Allah is seeing their deeds. [Ana`am 6:39] And those who deny Our signs are deaf and dumb in realms of darkness; Allah may send astray whomever He wills; and may place on the Straight Path whomever He wills. [Hud 11:20] They will not be able to escape in the earth, nor do they have any protecting friends apart from Allah; they will have punishment upon punishment; they were unable to hear, nor used to see. [HMSajdah 41:17] And regarding the Thamud, We showed them the right path - so they chose to be blind above being guided, therefore the thunderbolt of the disgraceful punishment overcame them - the recompense of their deeds. [HMSajdah 41:44] And if We had made it as a Qur’an in a foreign language they would have certainly said, “Why were its verses not explained in detail?” What! The Book in a foreign language, and the Prophet an Arab?! Proclaim “It is guidance and a cure for the believers”; and there is deafness in the ears of those who do not believe, and it is blindness upon them; as if they are being called from a place far away! The above quotes 7 verses of the Holy Qur’an make it amply clear that Allah refers to the disbelievers as the “deaf” and the “blind”. THEIR HEARTS & EARS ARE SEALED [Baqarah 2:6-7] As for those whose fate is disbelief, whether you warn them or do not warn them - it is all one for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering; and for them is a terrible punishment. [HMSajdah 41:5] And they say, “Our hearts are covered against the affair you call us to, and there is deafness in our ears, and there is a barrier between us and you - therefore mind your own business, we are minding ours.” The above quoted verses of the Holy Qur’an make it evident that the disbelievers’ hearts and ears are sealed. THE DISBELIEVERS CAN SEE AND LISTEN - YET THEY REJECT THE TRUTH! [Yunus 10:42-43] And among them are some who listen to you; so will you make the deaf hear even if they do not have any sense? And among them is one who gazes at you; so will you guide the blind even if they cannot perceive? [Luqman 31:7] And when Our verses are recited to him he haughtily turns away as if he did not hear them - as if there is deafness in his ears; so give him the glad tidings of a painful punishment. The above quoted verses (among many others) of the Holy Qur’an are proof that the disbelievers can see and listen – but they purposely turn deaf and blind to guidance! THEY HAVE HEARTS AND YET THEY DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND [Ana`am 6:36] It is only those who hear (with sincere hearts) that accept faith; and Allah will raise these people dead of heart, then towards Him they will be herded. [Aa`raf 7:179] And indeed We have created many jinns and men for hell; they have hearts in which there is no understanding; and the eyes they do not see with; and the ears they do not hear with; they are like cattle - in fact more astray; it is they who are the neglectful. [Hajj 22:46] So have they not travelled in the land, to have hearts with which to understand and ears to hear with? So it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the bosoms, that are blind. From the above it is amply clear that the disbelievers are blind and deaf not because they cannot see or hear – but because they do not use their hearts and minds to ponder, nor do they want to be guided. YOU CANNOT MAKE THE DISBELIEVERS HEED ADVICE ALTHOUGH THEY SEE AND HEAR! [Hud 11:28] He said, “O my people! What is your opinion - if I am on a clear proof from my Lord and He has bestowed mercy upon me from Him, so you remained blind towards it; shall we force it upon you although you dislike it?” [Ambiya 21:45] Proclaim “I warn you only with the divine revelation; and the deaf do not hear the call when warned.” [Naml 27:66] Has their knowledge advanced so much as to know the Hereafter? On the contrary, they are in doubt concerning it; in fact they are blind towards it. [Ruum 30:52-53] For you do not make the dead hear nor make the deaf hear the call when they flee, turning back. Nor do you guide the blind out of their error; you only make those hear who believe in Our signs, so they have submitted. [Zukhruf 43:40] So will you make the deaf listen or show the path to the blind, and to those who are in open error? Having proven in the previous section that the disbeliever purposely turn deaf and blind to guidance, Allah – the Supreme – says in these verses that you cannot guide them (these deaf & blind), because of their obstinacy! THEY ARE WORSE THAN ANIMALS [Aa`raf 7:179] And indeed We have created many jinns and men for hell; they have hearts in which there is no understanding; and the eyes they do not see with; and the ears they do not hear with; they are like cattle - in fact more astray; it is they who are the neglectful. [Anfal 8:22] Indeed the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are those (people) who are deaf, dumb - who do not have any sense. [Furqan 25:44] Or do you think that most of them hear or understand something? They are not but like the cattle – in fact more astray from the path than them! The above quoted verses clarify that those who reject the truth – despite being sighted, hearing and having hearts – are actually worse than animals. BLIND IN THIS WORLD AND BLIND IN THE HEREAFTER. [b/Israel 17:72] Whoever is blind in this life will be blind in the Hereafter, and even more astray. [b/Israel 17:97] And only he whom Allah guides, is upon guidance; and whomever He sends astray - you will therefore not find for them any supporters besides Him; and We shall raise them by their faces on the Day of Resurrection - blind, dumb and deaf; their destination is hell; whenever it is about to extinguish, We will inflame it more for them. [Ta-Ha 20:124-125] “And the one who turned away from My remembrance - for him is a confined existence, and We shall raise him blind on the Day of Resurrection.” He will say, “O my Lord, why have You raised me blind, whereas I was sighted?” Here again Allah – the Supreme – refers to the disbelievers as “blind” – and will also raise them blind (unable to see), as a punishment on the Day of Resurrection!

[Sedqal]

The problem with this statement is:
1. Universe is not essentially a single unit (if there is one more, theoretically there can be billions more. Nothing in the Islamic texts or science suggests otherwise, at the moment)

- Continuation of first point: Islamic texts and science don't have similar standards, Quran is a guiding light not an explicit scientific document thus the universe in Quraan might be the single multiverse or a single megaverse consisting of millions of multiverses. For example in scientific theories there is Earth, then Solar System, then Milky Way (Galaxy) then Universe (composed of Galaxies) after that there are educated guesses, we can't claim that the Universe in Quraan is the single universe (composed of galaxies) of science.

2. With the knowledge we have today its a miracle that life exists since the universe is so extremely dangerous.
i. Blackholes which can literally eat stars/ planets and according to some even galaxies [The killer in the sense that nothing can escape].
ii. Galaxies collide, devour smaller galaxies
iii. Gamma rays, Super Nova, Solar Bursts and on and on and on
iv. Whatever you see in the sky is mostly burning masses absolutely inhabitable and a grand horror if they can be observed from upclose.

3. Wasif is a self claimed Sufi/ Philosopher thus his axioms should be studied with much caution.

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

Good for you in case you are atheist. Why do you have this delusion that others are holding their breath at this? But then again 5 pages full of lame theories where people have no idea what religion is supposed to be or what science is rather self explanatory. The line of thought that others should prove anything to you and only then you will accept Islam smacks of inflated ego.

In short you can have hints about the Designer but never a clear cut sign which can be scientifically proven. That is why religion is a belief not a scientific theory. That is why as humans we have to believe in God i.e. jump to a conclusion and not theorize and logically reach this conclusion. Any logical construct is inherently weak as per Islamic belief Allah has no peer, no dependency and no relatives thus Allah has an extremely unique position which can not be understood by mortals who are operating under the said limitations. Humans for all their creativity have been unable to construct an image of an alien since even in creative imagination the raw material comes from empirical observable facts thus no observable alien no creative interpretation! the aliens we see in popular media are almost all humanoids or based on exaggerated accounts of life models present on Earth.

From an Islamic perspective the trial of this temporary life is BASED on the fact that we can not empirically observe Allah, in some instances Quraan tells us that nations were wiped out when they had seen clear miracles but still insisted on their old ways. Take for example companions of Hazrat Isa or Hazrat Slaeh. Thus even the miracles have conditions attached left alone the Divine Himself.

Thus my dear there are no empirical facts in this regard and you can keep on enjoying your present status of atheist for all I care

[Mughal1]

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

Dear goalmaal, islam is not at all about knowing God to begin with but knowing yourself. Knowing yourself gives you insight into everything else including God. This is why as soon as you are born you start finding out who are you as an individual, what are you made of, where have you come from, when did you become you you, why are you what you are etc etc.

The only book that answered all such question is the quran today. not quran as interpreted by mullahs senselessly but the quran that is interpreted according to rules of wisdom.

I advise you that when you have some time rather than wasting it in useless things study the quran in light of wisdom and see for yourself if the quran proves itself or not.

The quran is factual and anti make belief. To God it matters not whether you believe in him or not but it matters to you and me, why? Because unless we have some common standard, we are not going to live ourselves in peace or let others live in peace. Only and only quran provides that standard.

The goal set by the quran for the mankind is peace=islam. As far as the quran is concern no man can set a better goal in life for oneself than the one set by the quran. It then puts forth its terms and conditions for peace and challenges mankind to come up with any better terms and conditions for peace between mankind and tells it you can never do that. These conditions are freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity of mankind. The quran is divine manifesto for mankind to ponder over and accept it build a society upon this divine constitution. It is made absolutely clear that man himself could not come up with this like manifesto or constitution.

The quran is full of arguments for proving its case.

Just like kings and their mullahs separated state and religion so so called philosophers separated reason and revelation and scientists separated real world realities and revelation. The result is obvious a confusion that was created step by step over a very long period of time.

Just now humans are worst than animals but the day mankind discover they are far above other animals they will see the quran is a manifesto and a constitution for mankind that cannot be surpassed and all will be proven step by step on basis of reason and scientific confirmations through experimentation. It is just waiting to be discovered by individuals who have educated themselves or prepared themselves for this discovery.

The information in the quran proves itself that it is beyond human creation. You may have heard the quran challenges the whole of mankind to bring a book like it. I know it for a fact that none can produce a book like the quran. I am very much aware of the people who have had a go but failed miserably. You see to produce a book like the quran one has to understand it as to what it is all about. That takes ages and if you have a thinking mind you will realise why one cannot produce a book like the quran.

Even mullahs do not educate themselves to understand what the quran is all about. It is stupidity of philosophers and scientists that they take their word for the quran and then sit and write their arguments thinking they are writing against the quran which shows how silly they are.

The quran is written in such a language and its text is structured in such a way that it can never be proven wrong or falsified. The reason is its interactive style. It is a book that is written in such a way that for its proper understanding it depends knowledge the reader has. What do I mean by that? When you were a child, did you know everything that you know today? The answer is you did not. When your parents and others taught you things over a very long time you realised how to learn things and gradually became independent of others to some degree not totally. The quran is written exactly that way to take man on a journey to discovery of his own self and the rest of the universe and thereby God.

Look at it this way that if the quran was not written like this then what other way would be best for it to be written? No other way because a book written any other way would be useless for man because if the book contained everything but man was ignorant of anything the book will be useless. If man was educated 100% would he need any book? No. So the idea is that God created man in a state that he gave him perfect book but he gave it to him to be able to find things out for himself. This is why the quran and the universe are to be explored together by man to see the full picture.

If I asked you to do something but you never knew about it could you understand what I am saying? When you did not know what cooking is all about if anyone told you to cook something would you know what they were saying? To understand what is said to you you either already need to know things or be able to find out along the way. If you already knew things then you did not need any cooking recipe book but if you did not know anything cooking recipe books would be useless to you. So there has to be a middle way, it is therefore wrong to read to the quran the mullahs way instead read it the way you read the world as soon as you are born. You read something you experiment with it and once you have experimented enough and you are happy with the result according to rules of wisdom you will see that the quran and you both will have exactly the same standing on things.

An undeniable proof that there is God and that God is Allah because there is no book like the quran and it cannot be created. I wonder if you have ever thought of things that I am pointing out to you. I learned them by studying the quran.

I left mullahism aside because it takes you away from actual study of the scripture. I hope you give my explanation some thought and I do not want you to convert to make belief islam of mullahs. If you must then give sometime to study of the quran and go along with it not with mullahs because they will take you down with them.

God bless you with all the best.

[zerozero]

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Brother! baat yeh hay kay tum nay kafi perh likh lia hay jo kay achi baat hay! kafi ziada perhay likhay maloom ho rahay ho apni English say or baton say!
to aik kaam kero.. yeh proper forum nahin hay tumharay maslay ka! tum kisi sahi jaga jao jis ko bhe sahi samjhooo or jo is mamlay main faham rakhta ho us say behus kero apnay sawal pocho or jawab paoo! ...

Baqi tamaaam bhayoon say guzarish hay........ ap sub log acha kaam ker rahay hain, per jis stage per yeh @golmaal bhai haain, in ka ilaaj aap sub mil ker bhe nahin ker saktay...
inhain kisi achay aaalim kay pass jana chaya jo waqae ilm rakhta hoon or in ko mutmaeen ker sakay!

barae mehrbaani mazeed thread ko na phailnay dain.... aisa na ho koe badmazgi ho..
or sub say important baat, kay ap log likh kuch rahay hoon or pehnay wala perh kuch aur! or mazeed line say he na hat jae koe!

Shukria!

[Austad]

After reading all the five pages, where people tried to make a point and failed, @Sedqal has actually made a very good point and thank you for that. @golmaal you can have your point of view as an atheist, and I too have a couple of friends who call themselves atheists. it really is hard to give a scientific explanation to them. Science is based on observations and experiments and our observation is limited, we are evolving and continuously learning. Our view of the universe (or multiverse) is very limited. For now, we are only discussing string theories and multi-verse concept. The day multi-verse is globally accepted, many of the theories will also change. May be, at that point it will be easy to correlate science and belief.

The probability of having a planet like earth, life on earth and this complete universe after the big bang is close to zero, as proven by string theory. So, some one triggered big bang specifically in a way which resulted earth, life, and matter. For me, some one is out there who made this happen, some one is out there who controls laws of physics, who controls matter and antimatter. There is always a beginning point. To me, that is my god.

[famamdani]

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

[TruPakistani]

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

تو رہنے ہی دے۔
جس کو اس کائنات میں ہر طرف خدا نظر نہیں آتا اسے ڈیفینیشن سے بھی نہیں نظر آۓ گا

[VoteME]

Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam

Yes, I am an atheist

Do you believe in soul? just wondering.

[golmaal]

Do you believe in soul? just wondering.

Nopes. In my POV, a person is a product of his genes, his environment and experiences.