Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

[indigo]

pheli baath ai GHAMDI FITNAY ki darhi hai aur wo thori barha letah ai aur kabhi kaat leta hai.doosri baat video dekho us main GHAMDI FITNA keh raha hai darhi koi deeni cheez nahi,wah kia nai nai cheezein GHAMDI FITNA ney EJAAD ki hain.

Bhai sahib aap apnae fatwae apnae paas rakhae, Ghamidi sahib ki skin k saath masla hai, jis ki wajha se un keh chrahae par baal nahi ate, kuch jagho se bilkul kam aatae hai or kuchjagha se bohat ziyada atae hai, aap ko sharam aani chahiyae...

Bhai dari tou in logon ki bhi hay ,kia ye sunat ki pervi kartay hain`??

[ricky12]

Bhai sahib aap apnae fatwae apnae paas rakhae, Ghamidi sahib ki skin k saath masla hai, jis ki wajha se un keh chrahae par baal nahi ate, kuch jagho se bilkul kam aatae hai or kuchjagha se bohat ziyada atae hai, aap ko sharam aani chahiyae...

Darhi chooti ho ya bari us se koi fark nahi parta kion k GHAMDI FITNA hai ,wo keta hai k SOOD(riba) dena halal hai.
ALLAH KA KUCH TU KHOUF KARO SHARAM KARO KUCH KIAYAMT MAIN ALLAH KO KIA JAWAB DO GAY.


PROOF :

[indigo]

Darhi chooti ho ya bari us se koi fark nahi parta kion k GHAMDI FITNA kehta hai k SOOD(riba) dena halal hai.

bhai jaan yeh jo aap apnae proof de rahae ho zara hosh kro yeh proof yeh baat sabit krrahae hai kh yh baat Ghamidi ki hai, aap k Proof yeh sabit nahi kr rahae k unh ki baat darust nahi hai

The word “interest” refers to the fixed increase demanded over and above a sum of loan. At first sight, there does not seem to be any difference between it and rent. However, a deep deliberation reveals the stark difference between the two: rented out items can be used while keeping them intact; however, money cannot be used in this way; it is in fact used up and after expending it, it is needed to be produced again. Therefore, if something in addition is demanded over it, this in fact becomes an oppression. Since this difference between interest and rent is subtle, and human intellect can falter in understanding this difference, the Almighty has delineated the truth in this matter: In the sharī‘ah he has given mankind through his prophets, He has informed them that demanding a fixed increase over the lent amount is unjust and hence not allowed. It is for this very reason that interest has remained prohibited at all times and in all the sharī‘ahs revealed by the Almighty. The Qur’ān has explicitly forbidden it. There is no difference of opinion in this matter.

However, the religious legality of the system of banking which prevails in our societies has recently come under discussion. It is contended that since the bank only receives a portion from the profit of a commercial venture it had financed on the basis of a loan hence the very reason for which interest was regarded as prohibited does not exist in the banking system. This view has been put forth by some scholars of Egypt and Syria. Mawlānā Wahīd al-Dīn Khān (b. 1926 AD), a celebrated scholar and preacher from India too, has corroborated it to some extent in his book Fikr Islāmī. In my opinion, this view of the scholars can be considered intellectually convincing; however, it is essential for this that the following remedial measures be introduced in the banking system.

Firstly, if a commercial venture financed by a bank loan runs into losses or needs to be discontinued for some reason, the demand for profit by the bank should cease that very day. It should only demand the principal amount.

Secondly, if things are being sold on installments, then until these installments are complete, the bank should remain a partner in the ownership of the sold item, fulfill the rights of ownership and receive rent on it.

Thirdly, in a loan given for non-commercial purposes except for inflationary adjustments, no interest should be demanded on it.

An important issue relates to paying interest on loans acquired for personal and commercial needs. In other words, there are people who do not devour interest but are forced to pay it on such loans. It is generally thought that paying interest too is prohibited in the same manner as consuming interest is.

Our scholars also hold this view. In reality, there is no basis of this opinion in the Qur’ān and Hadīth. Not at one place has the Qur’ān condemned people who pay interest; it has, in fact, regarded them to be the oppressed; it has also urged the lenders to give respite to such borrowers if they are facing some financial constraint. No doubt, in a narrative, those who make others devour interest are also regarded to be equal criminals;* however, people have failed to understand the real meaning of this narrative. It refers to people who are the agents of professional lenders and in this capacity hunt for potential customers for their masters. As such, they are guilty of co-operating with them in this sin. In other words, this narrative does not relate to people who borrow on interest.

*See, for example: Muslim, No: 1598.

[simple_and_peacefull]

This message has been deleted by simple_and_peacefull.

Reasonpro & anti qadiani discussion is not allow on this forum

my posts are been deleted for the said reason .............................how Ironic it is ..... when fitna Jawaid ghamdi is allowed but if we try to expose them , then we are not..........actually the so called moderator here are badmash ... they can do any thing.

Simple and peacfull......hmmmmmmmm

hatred for all love for non .......................... I thing I got it

pro & anti qadiani discussion is not allow on this forum... this is one of rule of this site. rest its upto you what ever you think. only ALLAH SWT know whats in our hearts. do you know what is in my heart? do you...

[indigo]

[karachiwala]

When one is involved in the subject one should look for the most authentic source. Can you please provide the authenticity of this person. What is his source of knowledge. Which madrassah he went to his teachers etc.???

[simple_and_peacefull]

dear brother @ricky12 ,

brother if you can't discuss your version of believe on thread topic then please stop spreading hate . Hate never solve the prolem / issue.

[ricky12]

dear brother @ricky12,

brother if you can't discuss your version of believe on thread topic then please stop spreading hate . Hate never solve the prolem / issue.

kia mujey apni opinion denay ka haq nahi hai??aur aik baat ko main sahi tareekay se kar raha hoon na kabhi gali di na kabhi rude language use ki .Jo deen ko begaar raha hai us k khelaaf bolney waley ko tum keh rahay ho k main "hate spread kar raha" hai,tu phir mujey hindu,christian aur jews k khelaf bolney pe bhi mana karo gay? Agar tum meri post delete kar saktey ho tu kar do,sorry likin main fitna qadiani aur perveizi k khelaf post karo ga.mujey mera kaam karney do aur tumain meri post delete karni hai tu kardo likin yaad rakhna tumain bhi kiamat k din ALLAH ko jawab dena hai.

[simple_and_peacefull]

brother,

you are free to give your valuable opinion on topic only. but if you view your posts, most of them are anti and repeated against an other group and its against forum rules. for example of this thread. it is about Hadith # 57- Haya, thread starter had posted his group version/opinion. now you should have to post/reply on same Hadith with your group opinion with respectable manner.

Everyone is free to preach their & group's opinion or believes but no one allow to posting or transmitting contents of any unlawful,harmful, threatening,abusive , harassing,tortuous,defamatory,vulgar,obscene,libel lous,hateful, racial.


We respect everyone's views,opinions & believes and we want same from everyone also.

kia mujey apni opinion denay ka haq nahi hai??aur aik baat ko main sahi tareekay se kar raha hoon na kabhi gali di na kabhi rude language use ki .Jo deen ko begaar raha hai us k khelaaf bolney waley ko tum keh rahay ho k main "hate spread kar raha" hai,tu phir mujey hindu,christian aur jews k khelaf bolney pe bhi mana karo gay? Agar tum meri post delete kar saktey ho tu kar do,sorry likin main fitna qadiani aur perveizi k khelaf post karo ga.mujey mera kaam karney do aur tumain meri post delete karni hai tu kardo likin yaad rakhna tumain bhi kiamat k din ALLAH ko jawab dena hai.

[indigo]

[shafiqkhaki]

I am a frequent user of this forum but seems like this forum or moderators of this forum are here to promote Fitnas which is extremely unfortunate.

May Allah save us all and all Muslim Ummah from Fitna's of current era and upcoming Fitnas. Ameen.

[Mughal1]

This is a worthy contribution to ummah by ghamdi sb and should be taken seriously as a step in the right direction. It will help unite people into an ummah, which is the main objective of all the rituals.

People will see that all the people in the world regardless in groups small or large always have something to unite them and to show their unity they come up with some set out tines and rituals. Without this a community cannot show its unity or that it is united. This is why a family celebrates things together to show it is a family or a country celebrate things to show it is a country.

Muslim ummah has little sense of unity or how to celebrate it properly.

One has to think why daily namaaz gathering is important or jummah gathering is important or hajj gathering is important. There is no reason for these rituals other than to celebrate unity under God. If we use the very ideas that were given for unity and to show unity to cause divisions between ourselves then how unfortunate is that situation? Unfortunately that is what our mullahs have done ie divided us even in case of namaaz roza. what a bunch of silly people our mullahs are and what a lost people we ourselves have proven to be. I wonder when we are going to show we are human with brains.

[Mughal1]

GHAMDI is FITNA.

Dear ricky, are you aware of material found in books written by ulema of all the main sects? It seems you are too young and very little informed about what is going on within muslim sects. If you want an islam that has nothing to do with any of the sects then all you can do is use your own sense and rules of wisdom and pick and choose things according to that criterion that make sense to you and leave the rest of people to God.

Ghamdi is not the only person takfiri mullahs have problem with the fact is these mullahs have serious problems with anyone that refuses to accept their diktat to be their slave.

I can post lot more videos about mullahs you follow than you can about others. It only serves to make things worse. If you have anything against ghamdi please educate people logically as to why ghamdi is wrong and you or the mullahs you support are right.

The day you take ulema as your leaders you will learn a lot and be much more satisfied. Ulema are people who explain things according to rules of wisdom from their own point of view without telling us everyone else is kaafir. It will be better for you to follow ulema than mullahs. Ulema are those people who try their best to understand the quran and try their best to explain it. They are human so cannot be trusted 100% with their interpretation but if one explains things according to rules of wisdom and things make sense then that is what we should accept and that is all there is to it.

May be you should learn points of views that you disagree with just because someone else has told you about them. You will find those people also have the very same criterion as you have yet reach a different conclusion and that is when you will realise that a criterion is needed that helps you understand things the proper way. That is where in come rules of wisdom and collection of variety of information to see what is going on and what may be right or wrong and why.

In this video I find ghamdi spot on yet you have posted material against him which is irrelevant. In my posts in other threads I have explained many of the things people have problems with.

So explaining your point of view according to some rules that work is the only right way forward otherwise it is like women fighting over chickens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCdiMdlVQEY


regards and all the best

[Rommel]

@indigo
Can you please share the qualifications of this person so that we are enlightened by his understanding of Islam.
Is he a qualified Islamic Scholar?

[Mughal1]

@indigo
Can you please share the qualifications of this person so that we are enlightened by his understanding of Islam.
Is he a qualified Islamic Scholar?

Dear Rommel, the only criterion for qualification is talking sense. Whatever is sensible is true and whatever is nonsense is false. All messengers sent by Allah talked sense to people and that was their qualification. The qualification remains the same ie if you talk sense then you are telling the truth but if you are talking nonsense then you are lying. However it is not only the qualification of talkers that is important but also of the listeners. That is because no matter how sensibly you talk as a grown up person but a child may not be convinced because the child has not reached the abi8lity of understanding the issue under discussion.

A jew has certificate from his schol and christian from his school and a muslim from his school and a hindu from his school, which of them is qualified to be followed by others and why?

No matter how good a teacher is if students are not equally able to learn then time of teacher is wasted. Hope this helps understand the criterion for right and wrong.

regards and all the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7hU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjpq4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a0G...eature=related

[Rommel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjpq4...eature=related

I don't think your name is indigo.
I asked the thread starter a question and I think he can reply it as well.

[Mughal1]

I don't think your name is indigo.
I asked the thread starter a question and I think he can reply it as well.

You are right dear Rommel but I am not stopping your addressed person from responding your query rather I am explaining the point that qualifications that you ask for are irrelevant in the context of the issue being discuss in the video.

If one does not know something and someone helps one know it, one needs to have appreciative mindset and attitude. This helps having a good environment for learning from each other. If people have fighting mindset and attitude then of course that is going to end up ruining the atmosphere.

regards and all the best.

[Mughal1]

You may have been hurt very badly by reality dear realityhurts but living in make beliefs and lies is even worse.

Are you living only to spread falsehood and thereby hatred between people? You will be better off sharing worthwhile issues by explaining them rather than trying to stop others from participation.

[warlock]

plz dont dont follow this munafiq n fitna ghamdi

[warlock]

Dear ricky, are you aware of material found in books written by ulema of all the main sects? It seems you are too young and very little informed about what is going on within muslim sects. If you want an islam that has nothing to do with any of the sects then all you can do is use your own sense and rules of wisdom and pick and choose things according to that criterion that make sense to you and leave the rest of people to God.

Ghamdi is not the only person takfiri mullahs have problem with the fact is these mullahs have serious problems with anyone that refuses to accept their diktat to be their slave.

I can post lot more videos about mullahs you follow than you can about others. It only serves to make things worse. If you have anything against ghamdi please educate people logically as to why ghamdi is wrong and you or the mullahs you support are right.

The day you take ulema as your leaders you will learn a lot and be much more satisfied. Ulema are people who explain things according to rules of wisdom from their own point of view without telling us everyone else is kaafir. It will be better for you to follow ulema than mullahs. Ulema are those people who try their best to understand the quran and try their best to explain it. They are human so cannot be trusted 100% with their interpretation but if one explains things according to rules of wisdom and things make sense then that is what we should accept and that is all there is to it.

May be you should learn points of views that you disagree with just because someone else has told you about them. You will find those people also have the very same criterion as you have yet reach a different conclusion and that is when you will realise that a criterion is needed that helps you understand things the proper way. That is where in come rules of wisdom and collection of variety of information to see what is going on and what may be right or wrong and why.

In this video I find ghamdi spot on yet you have posted material against him which is irrelevant. In my posts in other threads I have explained many of the things people have problems with.

So explaining your point of view according to some rules that work is the only right way forward otherwise it is like women fighting over chickens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCdiMdlVQEY


regards and all the best

bro these are fake scholars put forward by our enemy if u want to know about islam then u should contact with ullma e haq not fake scholar like ghamdi