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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgias View Post

    بھائی آپ آئین کا پارٹ سیون پڑھیں ،اس کے علاوہ وسیم سجاد کے مضمون
    role of judiciary as a catalyst of social change
    میں بھی صاف اور واضح طور پر لکھا ہے کہ
    the primary role of the judiciary is to interpret the constitution and the law and to insure that different state organs created by the constitution remain within their limited field.
    اس کے علاوہ آئین کے آرٹیکل 175 سے 221
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    تک پڑھیں ، شاید آپ کی معلومات میں اضافہ ہو، دوسری بات یہ ہے کہ آئین کو ایک مقدس دستاویز کی حیثیت حاصل ہوتی ہے، کسی کی خواہش پر آئین میں ترامیم نہیں کی جا سکتی۔آپ نے آئین کی تشریح کی جو
    بات نے کی ہے وہ محض آپ کی خواہش تو ہو سکتی ہے پاکستان کے آئین اور حقیقت سے اس کا کوئی تعلق نہیں
    اگر آئین میں ترمیم کا اختیار پارلیمنٹ کو کو دیا جائے تو ہر دوسرے دن آئین کے ہر آرٹیکل کی نئی سے نئی تشریح سامنے آنے لگے گی۔
    aur mojooda zankhon ki parliament yeh kahegi ke aien mai yeh kahin nahi likha ke swiss bank saay paisa wapis laaao

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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgias View Post

    بھائی آپ آئین کا پارٹ سیون پڑھیں ،اس کے علاوہ وسیم سجاد کے مضمون
    role of judiciary as a catalyst of social change
    میں بھی صاف اور واضح طور پر لکھا ہے کہ
    the primary role of the judiciary is to interpret the constitution and the law and to insure that different state organs created by the constitution remain within their limited field.
    اس کے علاوہ آئین کے آرٹیکل 175 سے 221
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    تک پڑھیں ، شاید آپ کی معلومات میں اضافہ ہو، دوسری بات یہ ہے کہ آئین کو ایک مقدس دستاویز کی حیثیت حاصل ہوتی ہے، کسی کی خواہش پر آئین میں ترامیم نہیں کی جا سکتی۔آپ نے آئین کی تشریح کی جو
    بات نے کی ہے وہ محض آپ کی خواہش تو ہو سکتی ہے پاکستان کے آئین اور حقیقت سے اس کا کوئی تعلق نہیں
    اگر آئین میں ترمیم کا اختیار پارلیمنٹ کو کو دیا جائے تو ہر دوسرے دن آئین کے ہر آرٹیکل کی نئی سے نئی تشریح سامنے آنے لگے گی۔
    By the way constitution main tarmeem ka ikhtiyar Parliament ko already hai. And all the amendments which I have proposed are necessary.


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by iceburg View Post
    By the way constitution main tarmeem ka ikhtiyar Parliament ko already hai. And all the amendments which I have proposed are necessary.

    اور میں ایک بار پھر کہوں گا کہ کسی کی خواہش پر آئین اور قانون کو قربان نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔اور مجھے یقین ہے کہ اگر کوئی ایسی پارٹی بر سر اقتدار آئی جس کے نظریات سے آپ کو اختلاف ہو، تو پھر آپ عدلیہ کہ حق میں ایسے ہی دلائل دیں گے۔



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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by saifsaif View Post
    Untill we IMRANIANS(PTI) are alive we will not let to do that.The day when they will try to do that that day will be their salughter day,these HARRAMI POLITICIONS dont know that we hardly are stoping ourselves because of Imran Khan otherwise these bloody vampires would have become SHAHEED yet.
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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgias View Post

    اور میں ایک بار پھر کہوں گا کہ کسی کی خواہش پر آئین اور قانون کو قربان نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔اور مجھے یقین ہے کہ اگر کوئی ایسی پارٹی بر سر اقتدار آئی جس کے نظریات سے آپ کو اختلاف ہو، تو پھر آپ عدلیہ کہ حق میں ایسے ہی دلائل دیں گے۔

    Yes you are right. Noon League govt. main I will argue like you. and Noon Leaguiye will argue like me.

    But apart from our biases and prejudices ... My points are more logical.

    secondly I am not asking to do qurbani of constitution. I am asking for such amendments in constitution which will make it logically more accurate...!!!


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by iceburg View Post
    I don't need to read because I already pondered alot on this issue. In my opinion final authority should rest with parliament and not with Supreme Court. And if CJ is found corrupt then there must be a constitutional method to remove such a CJ.

    I already wrote a blog entry with somewhat detail on following link:

    http://khuram.wordpress.com/2010/10/...he-worst-kind/

    Regards!
    Never heard of Supreme judicial council?


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by golmaal View Post
    Never heard of Supreme judicial council?
    Then let it do the work also


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    You have really no idea about how countries are run.

    FYI there is a check-n-balance system in every country otherwise institutions would go crazy if given absolute power.

    Go study first and then come here to comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by iceburg View Post
    Ji constitution ki he final authority hoti hai. Parliament ne bhi constitution ko follow karna hota hai aur judiciary ne bhi.

    Aur regular matters main Judiciary ne he constitution ko explain ya interpret karna hota hai.

    Lakin in case there comes a direct clash between parliament and Judiciary regarding interpretation of constitution.

    Then parliament MUST have first right to interpret constitution. This is what I mean by "Supremacy of Parliament"

    Actually judiciary ka koi "right" nahi hota k wo constitution ko interpret kare. Ye Judiciary ki "duty" hoti hai k wo regular needs k waqt constitution ko interpret kare.

    Lakin agar kabhi Judiciary aur parliament ka direct clash ban jaye regarding interpretation ... then it is the RIGHT of parliament to give interpretation.
    Last edited by golmaal; 25-Jun-2012 at 07:06 PM. Reason: correction


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by golmaal View Post
    You have really know idea about how countries are run.

    FYI there is a check-n-balance system in every country otherwise institutions would go crazy if given absolute power.

    Go study first and then come here to comment.
    Institutions are already crazy ... rather funny. And you will understand only when water will rise above your neck ... like Aitzaz also started to understand and Asma Jahangir understood already.


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by gazoomartian View Post
    1. PPP will blackmail Nawaz Shareef 'vote for this resolution or else I will blow the whistle on your corruptions' and NS will wag his tail like a obedient dog. How do you think Zardari obtained 'friendly opposition' so far?

    2. How difficult would it be to buy votes from MQM, JUI, -Q, ANP? the chief of all these ghaddaran-e-watan will be offered hard $ or high portfolio and job will be done.

    3. the only people from legal community, business community (except for Riaz) and awam in general will be on the streets

    4. As for IK, he wont do anything. He is becoming big disappointment to me every day. His tsunami call sounds like nothing but an empty hollow voice in the wild.

    He always says 'ہم ایسا سنامی لا ینگے ' . that is all a fake claim and promise. What has he done so far? Holding large rallies is not really a tsunami, unless that is his definition of a tsunami. Pakistanis have been looking upto him as a savior but he is just not cut out to be a leader. Shah Mahmood Q seems better speaker than IK. IK should stop empty talks and hand over the reign of PTI to some one who knows how to talk, is more robust, and has more josh-o-walwala like Zaid Hamid does.

    الامان الحفیظ if he is really secretly supporting PPP behind the scene. Asking PMLN to resign is suspicious and gives way to the thought of conspiracy in support of the PPP

    Agar Nawaz ko army ka dar naheen hota tou shaiyad yeh bhee kar jata. As for now, government still cannot remove CJP even if they get 2/3 majority. First the people of Pakistan and army is behind CJP and secondly any law they make will have to go through Supreme court which will have the final say on how it is going to be implemented.


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by iceburg View Post
    Yes you are right. Noon League govt. main I will argue like you. and Noon Leaguiye will argue like me.

    But apart from our biases and prejudices ... My points are more logical.

    secondly I am not asking to do qurbani of constitution. I am asking for such amendments in constitution which will make it logically more accurate...!!!

    بھائی آپ اپنی بات کو لوجیکل (منطقی) کہہ رہے ہیں میں اپنے پوانٹ کو لوجیکل کہ رہا ہوں ۔اب اس کا فیصلہ کون کرے گا۔



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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    پارلیمان کی حکمرانی اس وقت تک نہیں ہوسکتی جب تک ہر پارلیمنٹ ممبر اپنے ووٹ کا صحیح استعمال کرنا نہ سیکھ لے . ابھی تو ہماری پوری پارلیمنٹ اکثریتی پارٹی لیڈر کے پاس یرغمال ہوتی ہے .


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgias View Post

    بھائی آپ اپنی بات کو لوجیکل (منطقی) کہہ رہے ہیں میں اپنے پوانٹ کو لوجیکل کہ رہا ہوں ۔اب اس کا فیصلہ کون کرے گا۔

    I did call my point logical and you call only now


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    Re: چیف جسٹس کے خلاف آئینی ترمیم كى تيارى

    Quote Originally Posted by nuzhatghazali View Post
    پارلیمان کی حکمرانی اس وقت تک نہیں ہوسکتی جب تک ہر پارلیمنٹ ممبر اپنے ووٹ کا صحیح استعمال کرنا نہ سیکھ لے . ابھی تو ہماری پوری پارلیمنٹ اکثریتی پارٹی لیڈر کے پاس یرغمال ہوتی ہے .
    Yes you are right. For this reason I am also against so called ban on "Horse Trading". By putting this ban ... political party heads have only ensured their dictatorship in party. When individual members cannot disagree with Party leadership then what is their role in parliament...???

    There should have been some other right treatment of the phenomenon of horse trading.

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