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    Not convinced we won Kargil Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

    After two great world wars the europeans have lerned to live peacefully and
    have created European Union. Then Pakistan and India both are Atomic nations
    should solve their problems through dialogue and peaceful negotiation ?
    India should go back on old positions and Kargil should be decleared as natural
    reservoir. (Both Atomic nations should use their resources to fight poverty in
    their countries) which are grave issues ?

    Not convinced we won Kargil Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV



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    Re: Not convinced we won Kargil Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

    یار صاف بات ہے کون جیتا کون ہارا

    سردیوں کے موسم کے دوران
    بھارتی فوج کی غیر موجودگی میں جنرل پرویز مشرف نے ببلو کو بتاۓ بغیر فوجی دستے کرگل کی چوٹیوں پر پوھنچانے کا حکم جاری کیا
    یہ نہ سوچا کہ اسکا انجام کیا ھو گا

    جیسا کہ بزدل انسان کا ایک ہاتھ دشمن کی گردن اور دوسرا پاؤں کے قریب ہوتا ہے تا کہ بوقت ضرورت کسی کو بلا انتظار استمعال کیا جا سکے

    جب بھارت نے بینالاقوامی سرحد پر جنگ چھیڑنے کی دھمکی دی تو مشی نے ببلو کو چاچا سام کے پاس بیچ بچاؤ کرانے بھیجا

    یوں اس وقت کے وزیراعظم اور سپاہ سالار نے پنگا لینے کے بعد ، پاؤں کے قریب والا ہاتھ استمعال کرنے کو ترجیع دی

    ابتدا میں بھارت کا خوب نقصان ہوا پھر ریٹریٹ کے دوران پاکستان کو کافی نقصان برداشت کرنا پڑا

    کیوں کہ چوٹیاں بلند ہیں اور آسانی سے نیچے دور تک دشمن کو نشانہ بنایا جا سکتا ہے






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    Re: Not convinced we won Kargil Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

    "One for all, all for one"

    غیرت مند لوگ ایک کے لئے سب مرتے ہیں اور سب کے لئے ہر ایک جس کو میں سمجھ سکتا ہوں جو لوگ ڈرپوک ہوتے ہیں وہی فسادی بھی ہوتے ہیں اور الله ان کو ذلیل اور رسوا بھی کرتا ہے- اگر کوئی بات میز پر
    حل نہیں ہوسکتی تو بہتر ہے کہ میدانے جنگ میں اسے حل کیا جائے لیکن ایسے جنگوں سے اجتناب ہونا چاہئے جو بغیر حتمی فیصلے کے اختتام پزیر ہوجائیں اور ساری زندگی دردے سر بن جائے

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    Re: Not convinced we won Kargil Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

    Point 5353 [Highest Peak Of Kargil still under control of Pakistan]

    As Indian Express put it as following:


    "Standing tall and dominating the famous Tiger Hill on the Line of Control (LoC) is a grim reminder of the Kargil war. Point 5353, the highest peak in the region which has a clear view of the National Highway 1 D, remains occupied by Pakistan even a decade after the battle.

    While the point is clearly on the Indian side of the LoC, it remains in Pakistani control which has fortified it with reinforced bunkers and has even built a special road nearby to carry up supplies for soldiers. The Indian Army, which made several unsuccessful attempts to occupy the post after the Kargil war, has since given up the post as “untenable” given the geography of the region that makes it fairly easy for Pakistani troops to climb. What makes Point 5353 so valuable for the two armies is that it has a clear view of the national highway that connects the Kashmir valley with Kargil. The main reason the Army retaliated hard to the Pakistani intrusion in 1999 was that disruption of traffic on the road would cut off supplies to Ladakh and the Siachen glacier. While officers say that Point 5353 is surrounded by three Indian posts, including Point 5240 and any action from there would be neutralised, the fact remains that artillery observers from the post can easily direct fire on a 25 km stretch of the national highway. Besides, the most dominating feature in the region has a clear view of the Tiger Hill and surrounding areas. Sources say Pakistan has constructed concrete bunkers at the location and have a special supply base on their side of the LoC that has substantial reinforcements. Several attempts to dislodge Pakistani troops from the posts with the help of artillery fire remained unsuccessful till action became impossible after the 2003 ceasefire. The Army has since given up the option of retaking the post in the larger interest of peace in the area. "

    Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ne...upied/488505/0

    [Courtesy: NewsX Indian News Website]

    P.S: This is my first comment in Siasat.pk. I hope, it is not full of posting errors, and lack established netiquettes of this forum. Thank you.
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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    not only kargil 65 ki jang bhi haar gea tha inka chamb ka area abhi bhi pakistan k pass hai uska name ab change hogea hai
    filhal mind me nahi a raha

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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Chamb Joriyan sector you mean?


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_01 View Post
    Chamb Joriyan sector you mean?
    Here is what he said " we regained the territory we lost 587 valuable lives".

    Here is he said why we did not win the war " we failed to consolidate the territory politically"

    I hereby proclaim that Kargil and Dras belong to India along with Kashmir. Now I have formerly consolidated everything politically. That should make every one here very happy and hopefully they would shut up and sit down.

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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    @PAKISTAN12 Dear Bro, this video is already there???

    http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthrea...an-Pal-to-NDTV


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    misleading thread title...........


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by desicad View Post
    misleading thread title...........
    Misleading in deed. Gen. wants India to consolidate the territory and the government has not. I have done it now and please second my declaration.


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    ham abhi tak in cheezon se nahi nikal sake hain....... abhi tak hum ye manane ko tyar hi nahen hain ke hum ne kahan kahan shikast khae or kahan kahan kharabian kien.........
    tughe yaqeen hai to fata mein badal de ga
    to kun shikast se pahum mukar raha hai to

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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
    Misleading in deed. Gen. wants India to consolidate the territory and the government has not. I have done it now and please second my declaration.
    ............

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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by desicad View Post
    ............
    I love it. They don't understand what the General is saying only hear the part " we did not win the Kargil war ". and the video is on siasat Pk as proof that India did not win the war.

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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
    Here is what he said " we regained the territory we lost 587 valuable lives".

    Here is he said why we did not win the war " we failed to consolidate the territory politically"

    I hereby proclaim that Kargil and Dras belong to India along with Kashmir. Now I have formerly consolidated everything politically. That should make every one here very happy and hopefully they would shut up and sit down.
    The whole India, we all know, how u guys took it from Muslims its not that long back was only in 1947. But tell you something the way you guys praise people I mean in Punjabi TC is incredible....thats why u name it Incredible India!


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz_01 View Post
    The whole India, we all know, how u guys took it from Muslims its not that long back was only in 1947. But tell you something the way you guys praise people I mean in Punjabi TC is incredible....thats why u name it Incredible India!
    We did not steal anything bro it was a democratic process. Yes we have some thing to B**** about it and you have something to B**** about but the world is not fair.


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    Re: Gen. (Rtd) Kishan Pal accept that India lost Kargil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
    Misleading in deed. Gen. wants India to consolidate the territory and the government has not. I have done it now and please second my declaration.


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    Who is true? shahid aziz or this man?


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    مشرف بغض و عناد میں یہ لوگ اپنے ملک پاکستان سے دشمنی کر رہے ہیں۔

    ان احمقوں کو ابھی تک اندازہ نہیں ہو پا رہا ہے کہ مشرف نے پاکستان کے لیے کتنا بڑا اور کتنا اہم معرکہ لڑا اور جیتا ہے۔

    جی ہاں، کارگل کا معرکہ ہم نے جیتا ہے، اور انڈیا کی ہار ہوئی ہے۔

    کارگل سرے سے ہمارے پاس نہیں تھا، بلکہ لائن آف کنٹرول کے پار انڈیا کے ہاتھ میں تھا۔

    مگر انڈیا نے پاکستان کے علاقے سیاچن پر قبضہ کیا تھا۔ چنانچہ پاکستان کو جوابا حملہ کرنے اور قبضہ کرنے کا پورا حق حاصل تھا۔ اگر نواز شریف کا پیشاب نہ نکل جاتا، تو اس وقت پاکستان اس پوزیشن میں ہوتا کہ انڈیا سے سیاچن اور کشمیر کے معاملے میں کچھ لو کچھ دو کی بنیاد پر بہترین نتائج حاصل کر پاتا۔

    اگرچہ کہ نواز شریف سیاسی محاذ پر یہ جنگ ہار گیا، مگر پھر بھی سب سے اہم پوسٹ پاک فوج کے قبضے میں آ گئی، اور انڈیا کے سینکڑوں زمینی اور فضائی حملوں کے باوجود وہ پاک فوج کا بال بیکا تک نہ کر سکے۔ یہ سب سے اہم چوکی ہے اور یہاں سے سیاچن جانے والی سڑک کو اڑا کر پوری سپلائی لائن کو تہس نہس کیا جا سکتا ہے۔

    چنانچہ پاکستان کی تاریخ میں یہ پہلی مرتبہ ہوا ہے کہ پاکستان نے انڈیا کے کسی حصے پر قبضہ کیا ہے۔۔۔۔ اور اس فتح کا سہرا ہے صرف اور صرف مشرف صاحب کے سر پر۔۔۔۔۔


    پر لعنت ہے ان لوگوں پر جو مشرف دشمنی میں آ کر آج ملک دشمنی کر رہے ہیں، اور اپنے ہی کارگل کے ہیرو، فاتح کارگل، پر کتوں کے طرح پلے پڑے ہیں۔



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