Your wrong again dude ...like i said you can have a sense of "know it all" but how can you even attempt to know our perspective in Pakistan living millions of miles away !...Internet and Bedroom scholars are dime a dozen and if they were successful ..Afghanistan would have been a different story today !
Dude, you have to love the Prophet Pbuh more than anything else and he said that he should be more dear to you than your wealth, your family and everything else, now if he has ordered the creation of Pakistan ..How can this not be dear to you ??...How can the Muslim Ummah not be dear to you ??...How can you demoralise it ??
This is beyond comprehension !
Wake up and start supporting your brothers who will always support you !
Yes, I take inspirations from all innovating minds. I am a glorious UNICORN nation.
Reading Darood whenever Prophet names pronounced --- IS NOT love --- You have to follow his shariat as well --- his teachings. If ever got spare time --- read how they disagree with others.
Before you teach or preach others about Islam --- better to bring your own tongue in order.
I love the guy - he is one of a kind. Where is the cloning technology when we desperately need it? ;=)
He was the champion of stating the obvious and was a proponent of common sense. You know that you can't teach people common sense in schools.
There are no manuals for that - too bad that in Pakistan you have to be perilously brave to state the obvious truth.
modern fakir (the looser).
Now not here to enlighten my self with Pakistani's views these views spans over wide spectrum I listen to each view and respond accordingly.
Fakir brother, in essence a fakir is the most humble who would listen more than do the talking himself. Wouldn't you agree :-) You don't have to - after all you are a modern one. Not sure how those are ;-)
Let me say in the interest of full disclosure that I do support the point of view of @brilTek and @AsifAmeer in this discussion. But, that doesn't mean that I don't see where you are coming from. I guess the purpose for most if not all of us here is to see a prosperous and safe Pakistan where people will be able to raise their families. Where there is justice, economic viability, security, opportunities etc etc.
I think that not respecting each other's viewpoints to achieve the larger goal is counter productive.
I would like to say is that all the development we are talking about here is mostly of the materialistic kind. I think that its not going to help us at this point of time. I believe that at this time what we need is to develop the humanistic, emotional, spiritual, moral values. Thats where we are hurting the most at this time. If we develop better as human beings then may be, just may be we will be able to achieve something similar to what we (I am not even sure what this 'we' is by the way) achieved in the past. I think that the scoieties in the past which produced those great minds had all the ingredients that we are severely lacking in today's muslim world in general let alone Pakistan.
Lets build socieities that treasure justice, true scholarship, tolerance and respect for difference of opinion, security etc etc before we can even think of achieving materialistic advancement. Since a nuclear capablility is not going to feed hungry kids or put them in schools or clothed them or provide them medicine when they get sick.
Just my 2 cents....
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Dude, no offense ..but you are in no position to preach to me about what is Love of the Prophet ...when you go against us and support the view point of our adversaries ...You click "Thanks" on proven adversaries comments ...Is that how you show love to the Prophet ???
Lastly, naming yourself Briltek ..and oxerating every outside achievement and downgrading muslim achievements may earn you praise in your self obsessed circle of people who think out where you are that "their **** dont stink". But the reality is my friend that is a totally outdated and useless way of thinking ...try to reflect on that sometime before telling others what to do !
These are words of much more than just 2 cents worth ... and i cant agree with you more !
Their is away of protraying information so it doesnt sound your downgrading Muslim achievements in a deragatory sense. I have no issue with an alternate opinion ...but some folks on this forum have a habit of habitually "Knocking down" or "ridiculing" arguments presented in support of a Muslim or Pakistani View point.
The issue is this defeatist mindset or shall i say this "slavish" mindset. If they give due credit to where Pakistan and the Muslim Ummah deserve's the fakir's will also turn humble
But if one badmouths our very identity ..then we can pricks too !...after all this is a modern age hence ...Modern Fakir
The comment I liked are in humour sense. Still I extend apologies if it offended you. I accept, It is in bad taste.
Your logic is totally false --- If some indian say something --- we must deny it in opposite with complete force.
"City-States trade Commerce. Nation-States trade Wars" - Seneca
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"City-States trade Commerce. Nation-States trade Wars" - Seneca
Your party to your opinion man ...I never asked you to support my point of view in anyway ...although i am supporting the Muslim, Pakistani and Islamic standpoint..and i always will, because that is my identity and that is what i stand for.
In my opinion the Muslim achievement are a glass more than half full and not empty !..yours could be otherwise.
Dont apologize brother ...if you felt for me then that is enough ...rest of if you think my logic is false then that is your opinion ..i have no issues, but if someone tries to present it in a ridiculing manner i will defend it..Doesnt mean i have a personal grudge against you ..thats all
And rest off for the Truth then my AKKA has brought all of it from Allah swt ...so obviously people who follow them will still have it ..more so than the others !..thats just my take !
See thats the problem Asif, not being able to defend an argument does not equate to "losing" .and me "Imposing"..please !!!...it maybe a topic your not well equipped to handle !....you know their is stuff that you know about which i will probably never have a clue about !..Does that mean your facist ??..No right ...so quit the whining and go talk about how hedgefund swaps can be leveraged in bad times to save bankruptcy ...you sound good ..talk about stuff like this !
Oh and by the way ...i think some where up there i read a post of yours that said that based on some of your viewpoints that you cant be Pakistani - well i got news for you buddy ...First check the criteria for being one and then decide !
The criteria is belief in our Prophet Pbuh and the Love for whatever he has said and his every aspect..Including Pakistan ! ..it is only THIS LOVE ..which makes one Pakistani and not alternate viewpoints ..because were not a nation based on culture ...we are based on the Islamic Ideology !..and the implementation of that ideology is a Work in Progress
...and I'm not just pulling this out of thin air ...During World Ware II 30 000 polish citizens moved to Pakistan to find their destiny and they do qualify according to what you call as the "White man". They still live in Pakistan and contribute and are Pakistanis because they love it and cherish its Values ...they are Pakistanis ...and so are you ...Pakistan is always yours ...the Question is why have you abandoned it