But why its just two lines long....what was in the head of pilot when he changed his mind? No clue
it seems to be pilot mistake. no technical fault
It's not full conversation.... something is being hidden
Gentlemen, We have not heard the conversation, this is just a report which is released and that to incomplete.
I have been flying aircraft's, and believe me, no Captain disregards the Instructions of the ATC, specially when in aerodrome control (vicinity of the airport).
Something is definitely being hidden here.
Pilots never use the words "Control Tower".
There is no term as "Secondary Flight Plan"
The radio con is definitely altered to put the entire blame on the Captain of the aircraft.
Keeping in view this altered radiocon, I assume that the actual mistake was of the ATC (CAA) and just to hide their fault, they have released this fabricated or altered radio con to put the blame on the Pilot.
ISLAMABAD: The Captain of the fateful Air Blue flight that crashed into Margala Hills in July 2010 ignored Air Traffic Controller's suggestions, according to the CAA's findings of the investigation into the incident.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has made public the investigation report of the Air Blue flight ABQ-202 that crashed into Margala Hills on July 28, 2010.
According to the findings, at 8:26 AM the Captain asked the First Officer (FO) to activate secondary flight plan, which was activated in the FMS.
At 8:27 AM the captain of the fateful plane completely ignoring the instructions coming from an officer at control tower told the First Officer in the cockpit 'let him say whatever he wants to say'.
The finding said: "After break-off from ILS approach, the Captain ignored the tower controller's suggestion (at 0437:54) to fly a bad weather circuit by saying 'let him say whatever he wants to say'. The CVR recording and flight simulation show that the Captain probably decided to fly a managed approach on pre-selected PBDS unbeknown to the ATS".
At 8:28 AM the FO asked the Captain 'sir, but are you visual' and captain replied in the affirmative.
At 8:30 AM when the aircraft was 3.5 NM (nautical miles) from the runway, it took a left turn 'through autopilot'.
The FO at 8:33 AM told the captain 'sir higher ground has reached, sir there is a terrain ahead, sir turn left'.
The captain at 8:34 AM had become 'very jittery in his verbal communication and displayed frustration,
confusion and anxiety resulting in further deterioration in his behaviour'.
At 8:36 AM the FO told the captain 'sir terrain ahead is coming'. The captain replied 'Han ji (yes), we are turning left'. But the aircraft did not turn left.
The report said at 8:37 AM, "The pilots were unsure of their geographical position and did not seek Radar help. The consequent loss of situation awareness caused the aircraft to go astray."
Last edited by Shaista; 25-Apr-2012 at 11:29 AM.
The Captain was awake praying for the whole night before he flew because it was (i think) shab-e-baraat or mairaaj the night before.....
There must be regulations and checks whether the pilot is fit for flying the plane... and whether he has got enuough sleep or is under the influence of alcohol or is pychological fit like family matters etc.....
NATGEO did an investiagtion of an german incident posted by a member few days back.. this sems to be very much similar to that incident....
CAA releases Airblue crash reports
Mourners pay tribute near the Airblue Flight 202 crash site at Margalla Hills point in Islamabad on August 1, 2010. -File Photo
KARACHI: The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has released the investigation report of the crash of an Airblue plane in the Margalla hills on July 28, 2010, DawnNews reported on Wednesday.
The Airblue Flight 202, which had taken off from Karachi 10 minutes to eight in the morning, crashed into Islamabad’s Margalla hills, killing all 152 people on board.
The data recorded in the black box revealed the conversation of the plane’s Captain with the First Officer and with the control tower.
According to the CAA’s report, the Captain, Pervez Iqbal Chaudhry, ignored the air traffic controller’s suggestions several times and told the First Officer (FO) in the cockpit: “let him say whatever he wants to say.”
The report further stated that the plane’s captain was lecturing the FO during the flight and that his tone was condescending and inappropriate.
The FO remained silent and did not challenge the captain.
Following is an extract from the conversation between the captain and the FO made available in the CAA’s report.
8.28 At time 0438:01, although Captain said that he was going for NAV, yet the aircraft kept on flying on HDG mode. FO reminded “Okay Sir, but are you visual?” The Captain said “Visual Hein! OK”.
8.30 At 0439:32 as the aircraft was more than 3.5 NM from the runway centerline; abeam the threshold of RWY-12 with a heading of 352°, the crew commanded a left turn to 300° through the autopilot.
8.33 At 0439:58, the aircraft was five NM to the north of the aerodrome and the first EGPWS predictive “TERRAIN AHEAD” caution was recorded on the CVR. FO told the captain “this Sir higher ground has reached, Sir there is a terrain ahead, sir turn left”.
8.34 By now the Captain had become very jittery in his verbal communication and displayed frustration, confusion and anxiety resulting in further deterioration in his behaviour.
8.35 At 0440:10, tower controller asked the crew if they were visual with the airfield. The crew did not respond to the question, whereas, FO asked the Captain (on cockpit Mic) “Kia batauon Sir ?” (What should I tell him Sir?)
8.36 Immediately at 0440:16 on the insistence of Radar Controller, the Tower Controller asked the crew if they were visual with the ground. Captain and the FO responded to the controller “Airblue 202 visual with the ground”. FO again asked Captain “Sir terrain ahead is coming”. The Captain replied “Han ji, we are turning left” (Yes, we are turning left). Whereas aircraft was not turning, only the HDG bug was being rotated towards left. At the same time, two EGPWS predictive “TERRAIN AHEAD” cautions were recorded on the CVR.
The report concluded that: “Air blue crash has been finalised as a case of Controlled Flight into Terrain (CFIT),in which aircrew failed to display superior judgment and professional skills in a self-created unsafe environment. In their pursuit to land in inclement weather, they committed serious violations of procedures and breaches of flying discipline, which put the aircraft in an unsafe condition over dangerous terrain at low altitude.”
The complete report can be viewed here.
Last edited by Neelam; 25-Apr-2012 at 08:08 PM.
aor nhein tu janat mian puhnch gya hoga. Un bay-charay logon ka kya jo ghalti say us jahaz main thay ???
Come on guys, no conspiracy here, nobody has altered anything. The cockpit recorder is sent to Airbus, everything is decoded and all the instrument panel also decoded. If you guys read the transcript, Captain was way more senior than the co-pilot, conversation is all recorded. If he negates the basic training in Cockpit Resource Management (CRM), then the end result is disasterous. One wrong input into the Flight Management, and if the weather bare minimum, add to the tension between the two and we get these results. This is not the first time this has happened, there are lots case like this worldwide.
Just for your information, I ve been flying too for many many years in aviation.
There is definitely a term used "secondary flight plan" in Airbus technology.
No pilot disregards ATC but this is an accident and accidents only occur when someone disregards the SOP's or orders. In this case plane was inside clouds at a very low altitude so the captain with his experience misused his jugdement.
The findings of the accident can not be a last word but people who know the captain very well are of the opinion that he was too assertive in negative direction.
I dont think anyone was bloody minded in this particular case as far as this accident was concerned but the investigation team has to decide on the basis of evidence available to them. For your info, radio conversations can not be altered to suit anyone. This was the strongest evidence in favour of ATC.
Until and unless we have complete technical information on the subject, we must refrain from publically commenting and discussing something that can build negative public viewpoint.
Blaming the captain is the easiest, specially when he doesn't survive.
I'm sure if you had been an aviator, you would have done the Aircraft Accident Investigation Course. I have and the things which I pointed out, must also be taken into consideration.
When I said that the radiocon has been altered, I meant that it has not been completely shared with the public.
It is but natural that the strongest evidence had to be in favour of the ATC, since the info was released almost 2 years later.
I never flew the airbus, so I guess I wasn't aware of the term in the FMS. Sorry for that.
Did you hear the full radio conversation yourself?
If you have, then you would have the right information. If you havent, then your also making judgements from your own.
where does it say it was a suicide? or did i miss something?
seems that it was utter incompetence and ill judgement on the part of the captain.
Boss koi manaye ya na manaye...
AIRBLUE ka crash...kuch na kuch to gar bar thee....aur koi na koi andaar ki kahani zaroor hay is main...
Haqeqqat hum kabhi jaan nahin sakhain gaye per yeh script based kahanion per yaqeen karnay wala nahin main,
it was not a incident but was made incident.. shayad kabhi hum amm log bhi haqeqat jaan sakhain.
Boss is not always Right....!!!!
Ah! My mates, ever heard about programming human brains? Well, it might be interesting to you. A very easy and effective way to weak havoc through the least suspected front.
If the story is true, Co-Pilot should have punched the head of captain and should have taken the control of the plane by himself.
Last edited by PkRevolution; 28-Apr-2012 at 01:59 AM.
It is a huge responsibility on our shoulders
and it is the question and hope of all
dead brothers and sisters in this crash and in Bhoja Air crash to bring the truth and facts out, to make it sure for the future that such kind of incidents never happen again.
Hope the new Govt. will reopen the investigation of these two crashes and bring the responsibles to real justice.