Junaid Saleem of Hasb-e-Haal on Najam Sethi - Najam Sethi working against Pakistan??

[falcons]

Junaid or kia kia janta ha Najam Sethi k bary ma :13:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olN1JDn4aHI

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[falcons]

Junaid or kia kia janta ha Najam Sethi k bary ma :13:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olN1JDn4aHI

[Bombaybuz]

but the people who talk or write in this manner are not taken seriously by serious people ... cause truth comes with his own saint and flavour

[Razzi]

i think he is not talking about najam sethi

[mrk123]

I have a serious issue with the notion that Army and Judiciary as institutions which are above criticism. We are in this mess that we find ourselves in today is due to these institutions not discharging their duties and responsibilities ably along with the corrupt politicians and civilian establishment. Thats a fact - military has ruled this country for 30 years of its short life and never let democracy flourish - they have gotten into misadventures - they have mishandled and mismanaged the internal and external situations. Judiciary, barring the few streaks of independence that it has shown has largely been a silent adn sometime willing accomplice with the military/civilian/corrupt political establishment in this ruin that we find ourselves. Is it not true that judiciary in the past has rubber stamped dictators to give them legitimacy? haven't they admitted hanged an elected PM? Then why do you expect that military and the judiciary only bathes in milk and honey? Pointing out the inability of the military to dispense its assigned roles and responsibilities and pointing out the rubbery spine of the judiciary is a duty that every patriotic pakistani should perform! I have these same questions and concerns and I dont think that anyone has a right to call my patriotism in question for raising these issues! Instead of deliberating the issues we rush towards character assassinating the messenger....

[titan]

ager adliya plazo aur zameen kay kabzao kay case lard k pasay banai gi aur jo mulak ka passa swiss banko mei hai wo mulak mei wapas nahi laye gi to phir ***** hai asi adliya per aur cj per

fooj ya toh iss liye chup hai kay aik baar yeh awam zara raaaj kay maza chakk lay jamhoriat ka tak-ke yeh dobara jamhoriat ka naam na lain ya phir woh bi in chor chako say mili hui hai

[jujuju]

hmm. this criticism may have been taken a bit more seriously if it were not coming from the host of a "comedy" serial which actively promotes conspiracy theories, promotes racism (refer all the off-colour jokes made on obama), promotes anti-feminist ideas (frequent jokes based on the stereotypes of gender roles in society) and general harted towards other religions implicit in most of the concpiracy theories.

[aasimnaveed]

hmm. this criticism may have been taken a bit more seriously if it were not coming from the host of a "comedy" serial which actively promotes conspiracy theories, promotes racism (refer all the off-colour jokes made on obama), promotes anti-feminist ideas (frequent jokes based on the stereotypes of gender roles in society) and general harted towards other religions implicit in most of the concpiracy theories.

who asked you to watch these CRAP programs ... pata bhi hai mirch karwi hai phir bhi khani hai or C C C C bhi kerni hai ... ***** baniya :P

[jujuju]

me Baniya?? i am a tamil brahmin, never had any baniya genes in my family. no one in my family was into business in 4 generations.

who asked you to watch these CRAP programs ... pata bhi hai mirch karwi hai phir bhi khani hai or C C C C bhi kerni hai ... ***** baniya :P

[Saboo]

me Baniya?? i am a tamil brahmin, never had any baniya genes in my family. no one in my family was into business in 4 generations.
To be in business is a good thing if you are an honest person and make a reasonable profit.
Re Hasb e Haal, it is just a comedy show, making fun of every thing. No one whould take them seriously and
get offended by it. You should watch some of the comedy shows we have them here in North America.

[jujuju]

i watch many of the serieals in US. I have never seen such stupid comedy serials with completely regressive and conservative viewpoint being put forth.

i think the only one hich comes close is called Rey-eye on fox.

To be in business is a good thing if you are an honest person and make a reasonable profit.
Re Hasb e Haal, it is just a comedy show, making fun of every thing. No one whould take them seriously and
get offended by it. You should watch some of the comedy shows we have them here in North America.

[Bilal_Mushi]

Then whom is he referring to?


i think he is not talking about najam sethi

[sngilani]

Every body knows Najam Sethi is on pay-role (on a mission against Pakistan) for last 30 years. But people like him will never succeed to demolish Pakistan.

[sngilani]

i think he is not talking about najam sethi

He is talking about Najam Sethi lol

[usman6062]

He is talking about Najam Sethi and whatever Junaid is saying, I totally agreee with him.

[saraehtasham]

This is a video is made by an unbiased, amateur film maker. Watch it at 3:05-3.15.
He is not related to pti in anyway Infact his issue wasn't even political.
It is proof that the following of pti isn't just rich mummy daddy kids.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=785tiZBr0C8

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=785tiZBr0C8)

Please SHARE !!!!!!!!!!!

[Proudmuslim]

i watch many of the serieals in US. I have never seen such stupid comedy serials with completely regressive and conservative viewpoint being put forth.

i think the only one hich comes close is called Rey-eye on fox.

only people with some brain will understand the message in this hasb-e-haal so you far from it get a life slumdog...

[jujuju]

dude, i have more brains than the 3 idiots on the panel put together. i am not boasting here. i have an iq of.. anyways forget it.

only people with some brain will understand the message in this hasb-e-haal so you far from it get a life slumdog...

[arshikrani]

i watch many of the serieals in US. I have never seen such stupid comedy serials with completely regressive and conservative viewpoint being put forth.

i think the only one hich comes close is called Rey-eye on fox.

iF u think so then why u watch it and this is pakistani show no need of any indian so please watch ur own issues we dont need ur opinion.

[Mughal1]

Murder of History

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUKr3bCaNJY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Wu9vrqOD8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wj92twKzps&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3AhD8KO1L0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyZNawOgi1M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTtBq-t2ew&feature=related


Although facts quoted are mostly ok but conclusions drawn by najam sethi are based on his ignorance of islam and therefore he is taking ideas of iqbal and jinnah in wrong direction.

[Proudmuslim]

dude, i have more brains than the 3 idiots on the panel put together. i am not boasting here. i have an iq of.. anyways forget it.

zero IQ doesn't count too highly slumdog.....

[jujuju]

i agree, the 3 idiots must be around 0 IQ. I am at around 150. so figure.

zero IQ doesn't count too highly slumdog.....

[jujuju]

jinnah's ideas were terrible ideas. i dont know much about iqbal, so will not comment. but his inspiration Fredrick Neitczhe has been roundly criticized and rejected especially because of the strong influence he had on german nationalist and NAZI movements. and my own reading of Neitzche has been very unfortunate.

jinnah however is someone on whom i have read a lot including his own books and speeches. he did have very very poor ideas. so on the contrary i think mr. sethi is covering up for jinnah's poor ideas. in fact a point to point critique of jinnah has been done by maulana abul kalam azad (there on youtube) which was 100% correct.

of course these 3 jokers spreading hindu hatred here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6hgcCAWyKY
lol, so funny.

[Fursan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAlTqrfRa4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpB0PSnoz0

[next2saint]

Najam Sethi is two faced, back stabber and a paid journalist... i pity on people who really consider his opinions as sincere to our country...

[ammar26]

hmm. this criticism may have been taken a bit more seriously if it were not coming from the host of a "comedy" serial which actively promotes conspiracy theories, promotes racism (refer all the off-colour jokes made on obama), promotes anti-feminist ideas (frequent jokes based on the stereotypes of gender roles in society) and general harted towards other religions implicit in most of the concpiracy theories.

same thing. Pasand bi nahi ha ek chez or dakhni bi zarori ha
Jis terhan ider Pakistanis sarey Bolyywood ki films k khilaf bolte hain per daikhte bi bollywood ki films hain

Same your nation mentality, haseb-e-haal pasand bi nahi ha Indians ko per Pakistan k bad subse zaydah usko daikhte bhi Indians he hain

[jujuju]

mai dekhta to vaise nahin hun. youtube pe akhsar videos mil jaate hain. main kaunsa baith ke har episode dekh raha hun. acchi baat hai, kyunki pata chalta hai ki log doosre mulkon me hindustan ke bare mein kya keh rahe hain.

vaise bhi mai pak tv dekhta hun bas apna urdu improve karne ke liye. thats my primary purpose, rest is secondary.

same thing. Pasand bi nahi ha ek chez or dakhni bi zarori ha
Jis terhan ider Pakistanis sarey Bolyywood ki films k khilaf bolte hain per daikhte bi bollywood ki films hain

Same your nation mentality, haseb-e-haal pasand bi nahi ha Indians ko per Pakistan k bad subse zaydah usko daikhte bhi Indians he hain

[ammar26]

mai dekhta to vaise nahin hun. youtube pe akhsar videos mil jaate hain. main kaunsa baith ke har episode dekh raha hun. acchi baat hai, kyunki pata chalta hai ki log doosre mulkon me hindustan ke bare mein kya keh rahe hain.

vaise bhi mai pak tv dekhta hun bas apna urdu improve karne ke liye. thats my primary purpose, rest is secondary.

well ye apko siasat.pk se he pata chal jata hoga k Pakistani keya ray rakhte hain India k barey me which is definitely not good opinion overall

[TruPakistani]

Najam sethi has always been controversial and I have no doubts that he working against the interests of Pakistan. His agenda is to deface the Armed forces and Judiciary.
I agree with Junaid fully.

[mustafa Zeb]

Dear Junaid Bhai, jab media her insan ko expose krne mein hesitate feel nai krta tou app apne peti bhai ko expose krne mein ku hesitate feel krte hain, kia ye log pakistan se zyada important hain ap k lye, agr hain tou ap b ghr beth jao ja k, (clap)

[M Ali Khan]

http://criticalppp.com/archives/58046

Najam Sethi’s support for Pakistan army and their Haqqani Network (http://criticalppp.com/archives/58046) http://cdn.criticalppp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ns1.jpg (http://criticalppp.com/archives/58046/ns-8)Najam Sethi & ISPR DG General Shaukat Sultan at Daily Times office in 2005



Since being flown around in a military helicopter in 1976 (http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/najam-sethis-role-in-the-balochistan-resistance-movement-of-1970s/), Mr. Najam Sethi’s relationship with the military establishment has always been cosy. If there is a consistent theme to Sethi’s journalism, its his soft critique for military dictators and Bonapartist generals and his petty and personal vituperations against elected politicians, especially those from the Pakistan People’s Party.


In his recent editorial in The Friday Times, http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft/article.php?issue=20110923&page=1, he clearly states his preferences:


“there is only one institutional force that can establish the writ of the state and restore law and order. That is the Pakistan Army.”

While Sethi provides gentle and vague criticism of the army in order to not appear overly enthusiastic in his support for them, he deceptively manages to position them as a more viable option than elected democracies.


This he essentially does by dishonestly placing the blame of the ongoing Shia massacres across Pakistan, NOT on the Pakistan army, the primary back of the Jihad project but on the elected government. At this point, Mr. Sethi conveniently omits two crucial facts:


1. It was a GHQ pliant judiciary that has freed not just Malik Ishaq, leader of the Shia-killing SSP-LeJ but also other assets of GHQ-ISI, e.g. Hafiz Saeed, Qari Saifullah Akhtar etc


2. That during a terrorist attack, Malik Ishaq was flown in the army chief’s plane by the military to negotiate with terrorists in 2009; what is it with Mr. Sethi and military flying machines


While we are on omissions, Mr. Sethi also conveniently omits facts that the PPP in particular has suffered terribly at the hands of the Jihadi militants losing Benazir Bhutto, Salmaan Taseer, Shahbaz Bhatti, Mir Nawaz Khan along with hundreds of its brave workers and activists killed while attending democracy rallies.


Even the ideologically Islamist Nawaz Sharif was attacked by Sipah-e-Sahaba in the 1990’s. While PML N’s pandering to Jihadi elements in Punjab is indeed regrettable, equating the idea of getting militant organization votes during elections (PML N) to creating, sustaining and protecting these organizations (an exclusive territory of army/ISI) is an act of patent dishonesty.


As a leading military establishment propagandist, Mr. Sethi is a master of obfuscating and equivocation and always attempts to balance out his support for the military establishment with some mild criticism. However, vanity is a great leveler and Sethi’s chauvinism and narcissism often triumph his carefully constructed façade of neutrality.

His article here, his pontifications on Geo TV on 21 September (http://criticalppp.com/archives/58013)and the USIP-JI report once again reemphasize what was obvious to many since the 1990’s:


1. Najam Sethi is the best, most sophisticated media plant of army-ISI


2. In the current crisis, he has been tasked with shifting the blame of the military establishment’s shenanigans onto the elected government of the PPP in the center and PML N at the provincial level


3. The most morally reprehensible aspect of Sethi’s propaganda is to emphasize on the narrative that the ongoing massacres of Shias is a law and order issue and NOT the horrific blowback of the military establishment’s policy of strategic depth or strategic DEATH as the late Benazir Bhutto so correctly described it. This is the moral Black Hole which is Mr. Sethi’s universe.


As recently as last month, Nawaz Sharif has openly come out for peace with India; something that he, Benazir Bhutto and President Zardari have repeatedly stressed on. And this policy aspiration of those with mass public support is unacceptable to the India-Centric policy that protects the economic interests of the military establishment. Without perpetual animosity with India, the edifice of the policy of strategic depth comes tumbling down and in the process, removes the reason d’être of supporting non-state Jihadi militias (e.g., LeT, JeM, TTP, SSP, LeJ etc).


Where Mr. Sethi stands on this, despite his mild apprehensions, can be correctly gauged from the uncontested recommendations of the USIP-JI report of which Mr. Sethi and his media associates (Ejaz Haider and several others) are an essential part of. By standing with a report that presumptuously recommends the accommodation of the Taliban in a future Afghan government, Mr. Sethi should be ashamed of his faux moral outrage at the Shia massacres. How can one support the Taliban and simultaneously condemn its affiliates is a contradiction that even the glib Najam “Shady” might find hard to explain away.

[Temojin]

Every body knows Najam Sethi is on pay-role (on a mission against Pakistan) for last 30 years. But people like him will never succeed to demolish Pakistan.
Mate we shouldn't be so sure about things if we personally don't know them. 30 years. Come on. Might be now but not long ago.



dude, i have more brains than the 3 idiots on the panel put together. i am not boasting here. i have an iq of.. anyways forget it.
IQ???? It doesn't necessarily reflect a person's genius. It just reflects person's aptitude in a particular trade or some abilities. IQ tests are differently designed for specific scenarios and general IQ tests are just to judge brain's ability in general. An English speaking student might have lesser IQ than you yet while taking the test, he has more chances to surpass your scores because of better and quicker understanding of the language (now it is also subjected to your ability in that language) or say, a professor of MIT has better IQ scores than you and he also has some command in tamil but when taken a test in tamil, you would surpass him easily because of the lag that understanding that pattern would create. No offence, just to inform.

[jujuju]

i am sorry, i dint begin this IQ nonsense. someone else said i need brains to understand these 3 idiots on that silly show. i just reacted back. i agree with what you have said, IQ is a silly construct begun by primarily western scholars more interested in eugenics and such ideas.

strage name you have, is that mongol/turkic for taimur lang?


Mate we shouldn't be so sure about things if we personally don't know them. 30 years. Come on. Might be now but not long ago.



IQ???? It doesn't necessarily reflect a person's genius. It just reflects person's aptitude in a particular trade or some abilities. IQ tests are differently designed for specific scenarios and general IQ tests are just to judge brain's ability in general. An English speaking student might have lesser IQ than you yet while taking the test, he has more chances to surpass your scores because of better and quicker understanding of the language (now it is also subjected to your ability in that language) or say, a professor of MIT has better IQ scores than you and he also has some command in tamil but when taken a test in tamil, you would surpass him easily because of the lag that understanding that pattern would create. No offence, just to inform.

[jujuju]

siasat.pk me main to yun hi kabhi kabhi bakar karne aa jata hun. aaj kal farikh baitha hun (on an extended holiday). siasat.pk i doubt reflects average awams opinion. if that were the case zaid hamid would have been army chief and imran khan president for life. najam sethi and nusrat javed hanging from poles.

on the contrary i think siasat.pk reflects extreme right-wing positions on most aspects. it is strangely true of all developing middle classes in 3rd and 2nd world countries that they generally are far to the right of there own lesser educated population thus disproving the fact that educated people make better opinions.

for eg. if you go to rediff.com and read comments below, most comments there like siasat.pk are far right wing comments from a hindu/indian perspective. but does india vote that way? no. indians generally vote middle of the road atleast namesake(muh-bola) secular. if the elections were only held of rediff.com readers naremdra modi would become president for life of india.

so anyways


well ye apko siasat.pk se he pata chal jata hoga k Pakistani keya ray rakhte hain India k barey me which is definitely not good opinion overall

[sngilani]

Mate we shouldn't be so sure about things if we personally don't know them. 30 years. Come on. Might be now but not long ago.


OK man! You are right and everyone else is wrong. Any way he was put on pay roll in Zia's era. May be few years less than 30.

[Zoaib]

After listening to Junaid, I saw that Najam Sethi program. He was going a bit overboard in creating a "conspiracy theory" involving the Chief Justice on one side and on the other the Army Chief.

[Proudmuslim]

i agree, the 3 idiots must be around 0 IQ. I am at around 150. so figure.

you forgot to mention -150 the way you talking slumdog i can certainly draw your image http://uglyabroad.typepad.com/ugly_americans_abroad/images/indian_taj_tourist.jpg dont think white one is you.

[Shadow-Man]

پاکستانی قوم کا خاصہ یہ ہے کہ یہ سوئے رہنا پسند کرتے ہیں اور اُمید یہ کرتے ہیں کہ کوئی آئے گا اور اُن کی تمام مُشکلیں خودبخد ختم ہو جائیں گیں۔ جنید سلیم بہت اچھے مُقرر ہیں، مگر یہاں بڑا واضع لگ رہا ہے کہ کسی اور کی زبان بول رہے ہیں، نجم سیٹھی بھی ایک حقیقت ہیں اور تصویر کا ایک رُخ جو وہ پیش کرتے ہیں وہ بھیانک تو ہوتا ہے ہی مگر اس کی کیا گارنٹی ہے کہ وہ حقیقت نہ ہو، بہرحال جو بھی ہے، مگر اگر یہ ہجوم جو اپنے آپ کو ایک قوم ثابت کرنے کی کوششوں میں لگا رہتا ہے، انہیں چاھیئے کہ حالات کو پرکھنے کی صلاحیت پیدا کریں اور حقیقت پسند بننے کی کوشش کریں

[Shadow-Man]

After listening to Junaid, I saw that Najam Sethi program. He was going a bit overboard in creating a "conspiracy theory" involving the Chief Justice on one side and on the other the Army Chief.

چیف جسٹس صاحب نے اب تک کیا تیر مار لیا ہے، ایک فیصلے پر تو وہ عمل کروا نہیں سکے ، بڑا آسان ہے آرمی کی مدد لیں اور تمام فیصلوں پر عمل درآمد کروالیں، کیا قوم اس عمل کی حمایت نہی کرے کی؟ یقینن کرے گی، مگر بات وہی آجاتی ہے، جب سب ملے ہوئے ہوں، تو قوم کی کون فکر کرتا ہے۔

بدقسمت ہجوم اسے اپنے اچھے اور بُرے کو سمجھنے کے لیئے بہی کسی دوسرے کی مدد چاہیئے ہوتی ہے۔

[Temojin]

OK man! You are right and everyone else is wrong. Any way he was put on pay roll in Zia's era. May be few years less than 30.

Mate why do you sound so offended? I might know some things personally. He was not put on any payroll at that time. He was barely making his living (ever visited him a few years back or his home????) Not know about now a days as haven't come across since some time.


i am sorry, i dint begin this IQ nonsense. someone else said i need brains to understand these 3 idiots on that silly show. i just reacted back. i agree with what you have said, IQ is a silly construct begun by primarily western scholars more interested in eugenics and such ideas.

strage name you have, is that mongol/turkic for taimur lang?

Oh, then I must apologize that I failed to understand the intent of writing those sentences. About my name, it is the original name of Changez Khan.

[jujuju]

you comment is reflecting upon the fact that you have learnt how to be racist very well from this 3 idiots show. "dont think the white one" is me? neither do i think it is you nor certainly me you racist pig.


you forgot to mention -150 the way you talking slumdog i can certainly draw your image http://uglyabroad.typepad.com/ugly_americans_abroad/images/indian_taj_tourist.jpg dont think white one is you.