More than one wife?

[Faiza]

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it is the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures, one can marry as many as one wish. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:
"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...." [Al-Qur'an 4:129]

The limitation very clearly states; "... But if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one ..."
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Notice how Allah Almighty allowed polygamy only for helping the orphans (more women are needed to take care of the Muslims' and infidels' orphans after every battle). Notice also how Allah Almighty ordered the men to be either fair to their wives or else to never marry more than one wife.

Noble Verse 4:129 "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty tells men that they will never be fair to their wives.

Allah Almighty had revealed the Noble Verse 4:3 to Muhammad peace be upon him. The very beginning of the Noble Verse we see Allah Almighty setting a conditional clause for Orphans "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans... (4:3)." This Noble Verse came down for the purpose of protecting the Orphans and to increase the number of the Muslims by allowing the men to marry multiple wives. The purpose was absolutely not for man's sexual pleasure nor privilege, nor was it to support man's personal ego. It was revealed to solve a major social problem to prevent major sins such as illegal sex and prostitution.

Allah Almighty ordered us to take care of the Orphans in our Islamic society (Noble Verses 2:177, 2:215, 2:220). He then commands us that if we fear that we will not be able to provide enough support for the too much Orphans in our society (especially after the battle of Uhud where more than half of the Muslim men were lost), then marry up to four of them to provide a social balance between men and women. But if a person feels that he can't handle multiple women, then one is just fine. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)" See above

The Prophet (pbuh) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous Khutbah on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Farewell Pilgrimage. In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."

The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

[canadian]

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it is the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures, one can marry as many as one wish. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:
"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...." [Al-Qur'an 4:129]

The limitation very clearly states; "... But if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one ..."
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Notice how Allah Almighty allowed polygamy only for helping the orphans (more women are needed to take care of the Muslims' and infidels' orphans after every battle). Notice also how Allah Almighty ordered the men to be either fair to their wives or else to never marry more than one wife.

Noble Verse 4:129 "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty tells men that they will never be fair to their wives.

Allah Almighty had revealed the Noble Verse 4:3 to Muhammad peace be upon him. The very beginning of the Noble Verse we see Allah Almighty setting a conditional clause for Orphans "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans... (4:3)." This Noble Verse came down for the purpose of protecting the Orphans and to increase the number of the Muslims by allowing the men to marry multiple wives. The purpose was absolutely not for man's sexual pleasure nor privilege, nor was it to support man's personal ego. It was revealed to solve a major social problem to prevent major sins such as illegal sex and prostitution.

Allah Almighty ordered us to take care of the Orphans in our Islamic society (Noble Verses 2:177, 2:215, 2:220). He then commands us that if we fear that we will not be able to provide enough support for the too much Orphans in our society (especially after the battle of Uhud where more than half of the Muslim men were lost), then marry up to four of them to provide a social balance between men and women. But if a person feels that he can't handle multiple women, then one is just fine. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)" See above

The Prophet (pbuh) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous Khutbah on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Farewell Pilgrimage. In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."

The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

We should follow The Holy Quran both in letter and spirit.

[Night_Hawk]

@Faiza
Khair:jazak: for this nice write up.

[deenobaba]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

[siddique]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

for ur information this post has got nothing to do with u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!but
cause u cannot hide ur hatered towords muslim so u have to open ur gub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keep ur comment for ur self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have some c.cola!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Raaz]

@ Faiza

Very nice effort towards real Islamic ideas.

But this is not proper forum to discuss these sensitive matters.

Anyway , I appreciate your feelings.

[Raaz]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

نیت کی بات ہے بابا جی

[Faiza]

Mr deenobaba

I am really impressed with your power of assumption or theory, what ever it is…. So you even know what every one is doing in west…wow…You must be very thankful to God for this gift or you must be Joking…….That’s all I can say to you, Please think twice before say some thing or even more careful when you write.( Stop assuming )

[canadian]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

There is something wrong with you.You are always giving irrelevent examples.The topic in question has nothing to do with canadian citizenship which you always mention in you posts.I hope you are not a refugee ??.Another thing I have noticed,you always say something bad about Islam,no matter what the topic is.Are you a Muslim or somebody else in the garb of a Muslim ????I posed this question to you before also but you kept mum.

[deenobaba]

There is something wrong with you.You are always giving irrelevent examples.The topic in question has nothing to do with canadian citizenship which you always mention in you posts.I hope you are not a refugee ??.Another thing I have noticed,you always say something bad about Islam,no matter what the topic is.Are you a Muslim or somebody else in the garb of a Muslim ????I posed this question to you before also but you kept mum.

I cant answer BS but any question

[canadian]

I cant answer BS but any question

Pl answer my question which you always avoid.Are you a Muslim or not ??This is a simple and The only question.Dont skirt and BS around.Every body knows who you are but we want an honest confession from you !!!

[deenobaba]

Pl answer my question which you always avoid.Are you a Muslim or not ??This is a simple and The only question.Dont skirt and BS around.Every body knows who you are but we want an honest confession from you !!!

No comments.

[bons]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

what's your point?

[bons]

Pl answer my question which you always avoid.Are you a Muslim or not ??This is a simple and The only question.Dont skirt and BS around.Every body knows who you are but we want an honest confession from you !!!

Don't waste your time on him. He is nothing but BS.

[ghzl_ghzl]

Jazakalla ...buht acha pin point kia hai..lekan much mrd hazrat samjhty hain k wo perfect hain..Jab Allah ne frma diya k aap brabr nahi rakh sako gy to yeh kiun proof kr k dikhana chahty hain k ham barabar rakh sakty hain..apny ley khud jahnum tiyar krty hain..

[wadaich]

Mr deenobaba

I am really impressed with your power of assumption or theory, what ever it is…. So you even know what every one is doing in west…wow…You must be very thankful to God for this gift or you must be Joking…….That’s all I can say to you, Please think twice before say some thing or even more careful when you write.( Stop assuming )


Such category of people do not joke. They are on mission. There are some non muslims with fake ID's or Qadianis Lanatullah. So just don't pay any attention to them.

[harisuae]

We must follow HOLY QURAN and SUNNAT.

[wadaich]

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it is the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures, one can marry as many as one wish. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:
"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...." [Al-Qur'an 4:129]

The limitation very clearly states; "... But if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one ..."
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Notice how Allah Almighty allowed polygamy only for helping the orphans (more women are needed to take care of the Muslims' and infidels' orphans after every battle). Notice also how Allah Almighty ordered the men to be either fair to their wives or else to never marry more than one wife.

Noble Verse 4:129 "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty tells men that they will never be fair to their wives.

Allah Almighty had revealed the Noble Verse 4:3 to Muhammad peace be upon him. The very beginning of the Noble Verse we see Allah Almighty setting a conditional clause for Orphans "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans... (4:3)." This Noble Verse came down for the purpose of protecting the Orphans and to increase the number of the Muslims by allowing the men to marry multiple wives. The purpose was absolutely not for man's sexual pleasure nor privilege, nor was it to support man's personal ego. It was revealed to solve a major social problem to prevent major sins such as illegal sex and prostitution.

Allah Almighty ordered us to take care of the Orphans in our Islamic society (Noble Verses 2:177, 2:215, 2:220). He then commands us that if we fear that we will not be able to provide enough support for the too much Orphans in our society (especially after the battle of Uhud where more than half of the Muslim men were lost), then marry up to four of them to provide a social balance between men and women. But if a person feels that he can't handle multiple women, then one is just fine. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)" See above

The Prophet (pbuh) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous Khutbah on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Farewell Pilgrimage. In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."

The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

:jazak: Khair! May Allah (SWT) bless you.

[zubair.maalick]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

I am living in west (Finland) and I can follow Islam here 1000 times better then in Pakistan ... and I can challenge you on this ....

[benzil]

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it is the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures, one can marry as many as one wish. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:
"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...." [Al-Qur'an 4:129]

The limitation very clearly states; "... But if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one ..."
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

Notice how Allah Almighty allowed polygamy only for helping the orphans (more women are needed to take care of the Muslims' and infidels' orphans after every battle). Notice also how Allah Almighty ordered the men to be either fair to their wives or else to never marry more than one wife.

Noble Verse 4:129 "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty tells men that they will never be fair to their wives.

Allah Almighty had revealed the Noble Verse 4:3 to Muhammad peace be upon him. The very beginning of the Noble Verse we see Allah Almighty setting a conditional clause for Orphans "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans... (4:3)." This Noble Verse came down for the purpose of protecting the Orphans and to increase the number of the Muslims by allowing the men to marry multiple wives. The purpose was absolutely not for man's sexual pleasure nor privilege, nor was it to support man's personal ego. It was revealed to solve a major social problem to prevent major sins such as illegal sex and prostitution.

Allah Almighty ordered us to take care of the Orphans in our Islamic society (Noble Verses 2:177, 2:215, 2:220). He then commands us that if we fear that we will not be able to provide enough support for the too much Orphans in our society (especially after the battle of Uhud where more than half of the Muslim men were lost), then marry up to four of them to provide a social balance between men and women. But if a person feels that he can't handle multiple women, then one is just fine. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)" See above

The Prophet (pbuh) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous Khutbah on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Farewell Pilgrimage. In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."

The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."



I wonder what urged u to post this? u intend to stop men from marrying more than one or its just an information?...well every true muslim wants to follow islamic teachings and in this case when someone thinks that he can do justice with his wives, he is allowed to have more than one wife.....and according to my knowledge he doesnt need the wife permission for second marriage (its a law in pakistan but shariat doesnt say this)....so its upto personal honesty...........i think no body should use hadith or quranic teachings as a personal tool but for general betterment of society......as such things (intended for personal benefits) are rarely successful n person generally gets what he/she is afraid of........personally i m against more than one marriages but i m strictly against things like using refernces for personal interests and not for the general welfare........so i would request u to write ur ideas also that wat u meant of this post..........

[canadian]

No comments.

If this is your answer then you have exposed yourself.You only come here to belittle our religilion and you are what I have mentioned above, A non muslim.In Future please do not try to give any opinion on our religious matter sice you are a " Kafir ".

[babadeena]

well every true muslim wants to follow islamic teachings and in this case when someone thinks that he can do justice with his wives,
Please correct yourself: When Allah says that "You cannot do justice with your wives, how much you desire so.....", then who is that "Someone" who
thinks that he can do it:
a) Permission to marry upto four wives is conditional with Orphans matters and it is absolutely not a blank permission;
b) Whereas the prevalent idea is that "permission to marry with more than one wife, is conditional to the equal treatment with all wives", this is not the case.
There is day and night difference what is in a) above.
b) It is next to impossible to do justice with your wives if they are more than one, that is for sure.
So If Allah has given permission to eat even swine flesh in the "particular circumstances", it does not mean that "it is a blank permission", Isnt!!!!

[canadian]

Please correct yourself: When Allah says that "You cannot do justice with your wives, how much you desire so.....", then who is that "Someone" who
thinks that he can do it:
a) Permission to marry upto four wives is conditional with Orphans matters and it is absolutely not a blank permission;
b) Whereas the prevalent idea is that "permission to marry with more than one wife, is conditional to the equal treatment with all wives", this is not the case.
There is day and night difference what is in a) above.
b) It is next to impossible to do justice with your wives if they are more than one, that is for sure.
So If Allah has given permission to eat even swine flesh in the "particular circumstances", it does not mean that "it is a blank permission", Isnt!!!!

Being a Kafir you have no right to comment on our Religion.Just keep your views to yourselves and do not BS around.Have we ever commented on your religion on this forum ???

[benzil]

Please correct yourself: When Allah says that "You cannot do justice with your wives, how much you desire so.....", then who is that "Someone" who
thinks that he can do it:
a) Permission to marry upto four wives is conditional with Orphans matters and it is absolutely not a blank permission;
b) Whereas the prevalent idea is that "permission to marry with more than one wife, is conditional to the equal treatment with all wives", this is not the case.
There is day and night difference what is in a) above.
b) It is next to impossible to do justice with your wives if they are more than one, that is for sure.
So If Allah has given permission to eat even swine flesh in the "particular circumstances", it does not mean that "it is a blank permission", Isnt!!!!
i think you havnt understood the quranic verse........wat i undrstand is that if u desire, u can marry more one two or three or four women but u shd do justice......but u cannot do justice and Allah is forgiving.......i would mean from it that ur intentions shd b right that in case u want to marry 2 3 or four u must b sure that u will do justice..........then comes human nature n human mistakes so man cant be perfect thats y it is said that u cant make justice......n in this case try to b justified n hope that Allah will forgive any un-intentional injustic from u....(Wallah Alam bilghaib)

[babadeena]

Being a Kafir you have no right to comment on our Religion.Just keep your views to yourselves and do not BS around.Have we ever commented on your religion on this forum ???

Ru in your sense. You r taking me as "Babadeno", that is someone else. R U sure you are saying to me.

[babadeena]

i think you havnt understood the quranic verse........wat i undrstand is that if u desire, u can marry more one two or three or four women but u shd do justice......but u cannot do justice and Allah is forgiving.......i would mean from it that ur intentions shd b right that in case u want to marry 2 3 or four u must b sure that u will do justice..........then comes human nature n human mistakes so man cant be perfect thats y it is said that u cant make justice......n in this case try to b justified n hope that Allah will forgive any un-intentional injustic from u....(Wallah Alam bilghaib)

Can u give me that verse?

[gazoomartian]

Mr deenobaba

I am really impressed with your power of assumption or theory, what ever it is…. So you even know what every one is doing in west…wow…You must be very thankful to God for this gift or you must be Joking…….That’s all I can say to you, Please think twice before say some thing or even more careful when you write.( Stop assuming )


dear faiza

if there is one shortcoming of baba is he does not think. you are barking the wrong tree LOL

[gazoomartian]

Ru in your sense. You r taking me as "Babadeno", that is someone else. R U sure you are saying to me.

You should put a complain with the mod. Obviously his name is very close to yours and enough to confuse people. is it deliberate? No idea

[benzil]

Can u give me that verse? Read the original post again...........

[Bret Hawk]

It’s been a while since the religious themes have been discussed here on this forum on sporadic occasions until a specific slot has been allotted here by the moderators to which majority of us are thankful to them for creating a valuable service. However many charlatans, self-proclaimed religious clerics and the so called torch bearers of enlightened moderation are taking this opportunity for granted and in a process also try to insinuate their deviant ideologies and line of thoughts in to the minds of those members who have ordinary or simply no exposure to the subtleties of Islamic sciences.

As br Samar has correctly pointed out about the deviant and misleading babblings of one of the heretic minded scoundrel “Babadeena” in many of the threads (One of them has been recently locked). I bet my fortune on his (Babadeena's) ignorance and un-comprehensibility on the subject matter of Holy Quran and to more specifically the science of Arabic language in its true perspective. He’s on record to simply denying the authentic etymologies and root bases of some of the terms of Arabic, which is apprehensible even from a middle tier student of Arabic linguistics and grammar. The complex topics of morphology, articles, cases, conjugations, enclitic pronouns, genitive construction, the order of words, syntax, verbal inflections and number of other topics which relates to this specific language of Quran are far much alien to such chutiyas (Babedeena and his like minded ***-clowns) as the concepts of physical sciences & mathematics to acute mentally retarded individuals in mental clinics.

P.S. Be extra careful when you come across the BS’s of such individuals on these issues of Islamic teachings & sciences. One should be well versed enough to examine their insinuations and perfectly modulated (But inherently defective) line of arguments here on this forum and try to tackle them as viciously as brothers like Samar use to do with such jackasses.

[babadeena]

It’s been a while since the religious themes have been discussed here on this forum on sporadic occasions until a specific slot has been allotted here by the moderators to which majority of us are thankful to them for creating a valuable service. However many charlatans, self-proclaimed religious clerics and the so called torch bearers of enlightened moderation are taking this opportunity for granted and in a process also try to insinuate their deviant ideologies and line of thoughts in to the minds of those members who have ordinary or simply no exposure to the subtleties of Islamic sciences.

As br Samar has correctly pointed out about the deviant and misleading babblings of one of the heretic minded scoundrel “Babadeena” in many of the threads (One of them has been recently locked). I bet my fortune on his (Babadeena's) ignorance and un-comprehensibility on the subject matter of Holy Quran and to more specifically the science of Arabic language in its true perspective. He’s on record to simply denying the authentic etymologies and root bases of some of the terms of Arabic, which is apprehensible even from a middle tier student of Arabic linguistics and grammar. The complex topics of morphology, articles, cases, conjugations, enclitic pronouns, genitive construction, the order of words, syntax, verbal inflections and number of other topics which relates to this specific language of Quran are far much alien to such chutiyas (Babedeena and his like minded ***-clowns) as the concepts of physical sciences & mathematics to acute mentally retarded individuals in mental clinics.

P.S. Be extra careful when you come across the BS’s of such individuals on these issues of Islamic teachings & sciences. One should be well versed enough to examine their insinuations and perfectly modulated (But inherently defective) line of arguments here on this forum and try to tackle them as viciously as brothers like Samar use to do with such jackasses.

Shut your dirty mouth. You do not have logic or discussion. You r burning in your fire of "jealousy and Envy" and you are going to
perish in your rage. Muridkay is not far from Gujranwala and there is chowk where you can hang you up in this way, your anger and
envy will finish. You resort to street language as well as your brother Samar, whose parents (your both parents) taught you the same.
If you have any knowledge just beat me on this turf. It is not my character to be as low as the street language persons you both are.

[Faiza]

I wonder what urged u to post this? u intend to stop men from marrying more than one or its just an information?...well every true muslim wants to follow islamic teachings and in this case when someone thinks that he can do justice with his wives, he is allowed to have more than one wife.....and according to my knowledge he doesnt need the wife permission for second marriage (its a law in pakistan but shariat doesnt say this)....so its upto personal honesty...........i think no body should use hadith or quranic teachings as a personal tool but for general betterment of society......as such things (intended for personal benefits) are rarely successful n person generally gets what he/she is afraid of........personally i m against more than one marriages but i m strictly against things like using refernces for personal interests and not for the general welfare........so i would request u to write ur ideas also that wat u meant of this post..........

Benzil

I wonder what urged u to post this?

Just because I am a woman, people have to think that this is in my personal interest. In this forum when ever I wrote something in the favor of women I always got this kind of remarks and comments.
Brother I decided to bring this topic because usually people quote half of the verse; I just want all of us to pay attention on complete verse

according to my knowledge he doesnt need the wife permission for second marriage (its a law in pakistan but shariat doesnt say this)..

Yes you have right information that a man doesn’t need wife permission for second marriage…. (And I never said that he needs her permission, in my post)

i m strictly against things like using refernces for personal interests and not for the general welfare. so i would request u to write ur ideas also that wat u meant of this post.......

I already mention you that what was my idea for this post…….I never meant that one should not have 2,3,or 4 wives, I just mention that read the complete verse carefully, and try to understand it. Marriage is not a fun or pleasure for man only but it’s a matter of a women’s life also….

[A.Ali.T]

i think you havnt understood the quranic verse........wat i undrstand is that if u desire, u can marry more one two or three or four women but u shd do justice......but u cannot do justice and Allah is forgiving.......i would mean from it that ur intentions shd b right that in case u want to marry 2 3 or four u must b sure that u will do justice..........then comes human nature n human mistakes so man cant be perfect thats y it is said that u cant make justice......n in this case try to b justified n hope that Allah will forgive any un-intentional injustic from u....(Wallah Alam bilghaib)

benzil
There are certain things in your control and there are certain things that you cannot control. Allah (SWT) tells us to be just and fair in the affairs that we control. For example, anyone with more than one wives, if he provides a house for one wife, then he must provide a similar house to his other wives also. if he gives Rs 10,000 to one wife than he must give same amount to his other wives also. He must also spend same amount of time with all his wives.

If he is attracted to one of his wives more than the others, he cannot control that, but what he can control is his behaviour towards his wives, that sould be same towards all his wives. As long as he takes care of major things, I am sure Allah (SWT) will forgive minor issues.

[babadeena]

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?36772-Point-Blank-31st-may-2010-Alama-Ibtasam-Ilahi-Zaheer-Kia-Londi-Rekhna-Jaaiz-hai&highlight=loondi

The topic was discussed in this thread also?


because usually people quote half of the verse; I just want all of us to pay attention on complete verse
Specially the one of Sura Nisa which give conditional permission with words "Feel Yatamay", NO ONE WISH TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
And that is the only verse in Quran where permission to marry with more than one has been mentioned. The People come to your head, if someone brings this to their attention. Threats, accusations, blames and whatsoever.

[babadeena]

wat i undrstand is that if u desire, u can marry more one two or three or four women
I differ on your "understanding". The things is not of "desire". It is "conditional". The verses starts from the words:
--- The topic starts from Verse No.2 (4:2) readily reference:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps04/ch04q.html#2
---- in continuation goes to Verse No.3 (4:3) ready reference:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps04/ch04q.html#3
Attention: The verse is beginning with arabic word "Waoo" which implies that it is in continuation of the previous verse. The subject matter is "Orphans"
The arabic words "Feel Yatamay". How one can take out these important words and conditionalities from this verse, and think that it is"blank permission"

[mistehbab]

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Raaz: This is! the proper forum to discuss this issue. This is one of the aspects of politics related to women.

[Bret Hawk]

سُوۡرَةُ النِّسَاء
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

</SPAN>

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱتَّقُواْ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُم مِّن نَّفۡسٍ۬ وَٲحِدَةٍ۬ وَخَلَقَ مِنۡہَا زَوۡجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنۡہُمَا رِجَالاً۬ كَثِيرً۬ا وَنِسَآءً۬*ۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ ٱلَّذِى تَسَآءَلُونَ بِهِۦ وَٱلۡأَرۡحَامَ*ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ رَقِيبً۬ا (١)

وَءَاتُواْ ٱلۡيَتَـٰمَىٰٓ أَمۡوَٲلَہُمۡ*ۖ وَلَا تَتَبَدَّلُواْ ٱلۡخَبِيثَ بِٱلطَّيِّبِ*ۖ وَلَا تَأۡكُلُوٓاْ أَمۡوَٲلَهُمۡ إِلَىٰٓ أَمۡوَٲلِكُمۡ*ۚ إِنَّهُ ۥ كَانَ حُوبً۬ا كَبِيرً۬ا (٢)

وَإِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ أَلَّا تُقۡسِطُواْ فِى ٱلۡيَتَـٰمَىٰ فَٱنكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ مَثۡنَىٰ وَثُلَـٰثَ وَرُبَـٰعَ*ۖ فَإِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ أَلَّا تَعۡدِلُواْ فَوَٲحِدَةً أَوۡ مَا مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُكُمۡ*ۚ ذَٲلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعُولُواْ (٣)


4:1 O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.

4:2 To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.

4:3 If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

First and foremost it is highly misleading to even assume that when the Arabic word Waw appears at the start of any verse then it necessarily connects wholly to the subject matter of that whole verse with its precedent verse (If any). The conjunctive nature of such verses may or may not relate with each other at the breadth of the concerned matter. Like for instance the second Ayaa karima of Sura Nisa starts with “Wa Atwu Al Yatama” now where the word Yatama does appears in the first Ayaa of this Sura? So does the verse 2 refer to the subject matter of verse 1 here, Of course not?

Now we must turn our attention to the successive verse no 3 of this same Sura Nisa and try to look at its starting / opening words. Waw An Khiftum Alaa Tuksitu Fi’l Yatama, here of course the word Waw is connecting this brief part of verse with the previous one (No 2). Now look at the divine logic of these words, if you are not able to do justice with those orphan girls then marry Then Fa Ankiho Ma Tabaa Lakum. The conjunctive Ayaa of verse 3 ends on the words Fi’l Yatama, Fa here in this verse profoundly indicates the initiation of the alternative clause of this verse Then marry the women of your choice.

The mental condition of those so called Quranic scholars seems to be in deplorable state who assume Fa Ankiho words are in continuity of the subject matter of Fi’l Yatama wordings of the beginning part of this and the previous verse number 2. Fa is a cut off clause here which definitely indicates that The Almighty SWT now about to provide the alternatives to those perplexed men who are / were reluctant to keep those orphan women as a part of their household, as their spouses. When this point becomes perfectly clear then the rest of the subject matter becomes glaringly clear in to the minds of the readers. For further explication on such issue I want to include the expert opinion of Allama Tabatabayi in his Tafsir Al Mizaan (Exegeses of Scale);

“QUR'AN: And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such (other) women as seem good to you:

We have mentioned previously that there was always a great number of orphans among the Arabs of the era of ignorance- who were seldom free from war, fighting, murder and forays, and among whom death by killing was a very common occurrence. Usually, the leaders of tribes and people of power and influence took the orphan girls (with properties) as wives; they devoured their (i.e., the orphans') properties with their own and then behaved with them unjustly. Often they turned them out after swallowing their property; the helpless girls became poverty stricken destitute; neither they had any money to live on, nor was there anyone willing to marry and maintain them. The Qur'an has reproached them very severely for this evil habit and disgusting injustice, and prohibited very strongly doing any injustice to orphans or devouring their property. For example, Allah says:

(As for) those who swallow the property of the orphans unjustly, surely they only swallow fire into their bellies and soon they shall enter burning fire (4:10).

And give to the orphans their property, and do not substitute worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and do not devour their property (as an addition) to your own property; this is surely a great crime (4:2).

As a result, the Muslims reportedly became afraid for their own souls and were so panic-stricken that they turned out the orphans from their own homes in apprehension, lest they inadvertently do something wrong with those orphans' property or fail to give them their just dues. If someone kept an orphan with him, he set apart the orphan's share in food and drink; if the orphan could not finish it, nobody else would touch it - it remained as it was until it was spoiled. It caused difficulties for the people; and they complained to the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) asking for his guidance. Then Allah revealed: And they ask you concerning the orphans. Say: "To set right for them (their affairs) is good; and if you mingle with them, they are your brethren; and Allah knows the mischief-maker from the well doer; and if Allah had willed, He would certainly have made it harder for you; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise" (2:220). Thus, Allah allowed them to give shelter to orphans and to keep them with themselves for looking after their affairs, and to mingle with them because they were their brethren. In this way, their difficulties were removed and their worries dispelled.

When you ponder on this fact, and then look at the verse under discussion (And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such (other) women as seem good to you...) - and remember that it comes after the verse, "And give to the orphans their property... " - it will be clear to you that the verse raises the prohibition a degree higher. Its connotation will be as follows - and Allah knows better: Be careful regarding the orphans and do not substitute your bad or worthless property with their good ones; nor should you devour their property with your own; so much so that if you are afraid that you would not be able to treat the orphan girls equitably and therefore you do not like to take them as your wives, then better do not marry them; instead you should marry other such women as seem good to you - two, three or four.

The conditional sentence (And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such (other) women as seem good to you...), actually means: If you do not like to marry the orphan girls because you fear that you cannot act equitably towards them, then do not marry them, and marry such women as seem good to you. Obviously the clause, "then marry... " is substitute of the real al-jaza' (second construct of the conditional sentence), (i.e., then do not marry the orphans); the clause, "such women as seem good to you ", makes further description (i.e., women other than the orphans) unnecessary. The verse does not say, those women who seem good to you; instead it says: such women as seem good to you; it is because it points to the number mentioned later: two and three and four. The verse begins with the clause, "if you fear that you cannot act equitably ", while it actually means, if you do not like to marry the orphans because of fear; thus it has allegorically put the cause in place of the effect, pointing to the deleted effect later where it says: "as seem good to you".

QUR'AN: two and three and four:

the paradigms, maf'al and fu'al, when applied to numbers, signify repetition of the root word; thus the clause, mathna wa thulatha wa ruba'a, means, two two and three three and four four (or twos, threes and fours). The verse is addressed to all individuals, and the numbers have been separated by "and " which implies choice; these factors together show that every believer has a right to marry two wives, or three, or four. When looked at together, they would be grouped as twos, threes and fours.

The above explanation, coupled with the next clause, but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them) then (marry) only one or what your right hands posses, together with the following verse, And all married women...(4:247), disproves the idea that the verse allows to marry two, three or four wives in one contract of marriage; or that it permits to marry two together, then two together and so on, and likewise three or four together, then other three or four together; or that it approves polyandry - marriage of several men with one woman. These are ideas, which the verse does not tolerate at all.

Apart from that, it is a self-evident truth that Islam does not allow a man to gather more than four wives at a time, or a woman to have more than one husband at a time.

Likewise, there is no room for the hypothesis that the word, "and", between the numbers, is for conjunction, and that the verse accordingly allows marrying nine (i.e., 2 + 3 + 4) wives at a time. Majma'u'l-bayan says as follows: Using the total in this manner is not a possibility at all. If someone says, "The people entered the town in twos, threes and fours", does not mean the total of these numbers - in other words, it does not imply that they entered in-groups of nine. Moreover, there is a proper word, "nine", to denote that number; so leaving the correct word and changing it to 'two and three and four', shows an incapability of proper expression - Too exalted and sanctified is His speech from such defects.

QUR'AN: but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them) then (marry) only one:

That is, marry only one, not more. Allah has made this order conditional on fear, not on knowledge, because knowledge in such matters is usually difficult to achieve, especially when thought is clouded by temptation; the underlying benefit would be lost if the rule were made dependent on knowledge.

QUR'AN: or what your right hands possess:

That is, slave-girls. If a man is afraid that he will not do justice between many wives, then he should marry only one; and if he wants more, then he should take slave-girls, because they are not entitled to division of nights.

Obviously, the provision of the alternative - taking the slave girls - does not mean that one may misbehave with, or do injustice to them; Allah does not like the unjust, nor is He unjust to His servants. It only means that it is easier to maintain justice with them because they are not included in the rule of division of nights. This very reason shows that this clause refers to taking, and living with them by virtue of possession, not by marriage; the matter of marrying them has been described later in the verse: And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens... (4:25).

QUR'AN: this is nearer, that you may not deviate from the right course:

"al-Awl" (to deviate from the right course). The law as ordained above brings you nearer to the point whence you shall not deviate from justice or transgress the women's rights.

Someone has written that al-'awl means burden; but it is a far-fetched interpretation, both in word and in meaning.

This sentence - which mentions the underlying reason of this legislation - proves that the foundation of the marriage laws is laid on justice and equity as well as on rejection of oppression and usurpation of rights’.

[babadeena]

وَإِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ أَلَّا تُقۡسِطُواْ فِى ٱلۡيَتَـٰمَىٰ فَٱنكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ مَثۡنَىٰ وَثُلَـٰثَ وَرُبَـٰعَ

Oh Teri Aqal pay roona ata hay. First ACCEPT THIS REALITY THAT, THE MENTION OF ORPHANS IS RELATED WITH MARRIAGES. YOUR BIG
ULEMAS ITASHAN AND COMPANY EVEN DID NOT MENTION THESE WORDS. IF YOU HAVE COME INTO GROUND WITH THIS. THEN STAY ON LINE AND
SAY YES OR NO IF IN THESE VERSES, THE SUBJECT MATTER IS DEALING OF ORPHANS IS OR NOT and also THE PERMISSION OF MARRIAGE IS
LINKED WITH ORPHANS YES OR NO. BE BRIEF AND HAVE A LION'S HEART TO FRONT ME.

[babadeena]

First and foremost it is highly misleading to even assume that when the Arabic word Waw appears at the start of any verse then it necessarily connects wholly to the subject matter of that whole verse with its precedent verse (If any). The conjunctive nature of such verses may or may not relate with each other at the breadth of the concerned matter. Like for instance the second Ayaa karima of Sura Nisa starts with “Wa Atwu Al Yatama” now where the word Yatama does appears in the first Ayaa of this Sura? So does the verse 2 refer to the subject matter of verse 1 here, Of course not? If you have, after consulting your Ulemas, and getting the assistance of "cut n paste" from somewhere, pasted something, then you should have stayed on line. Like a literal corward as you always are, ran away:
I tell you how the first verse is related to second with arabic word "Wahoo".
يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱتَّقُواْ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُم مِّن نَّفۡسٍ۬ وَٲحِدَةٍ۬ وَخَلَقَ مِنۡہَا زَوۡجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنۡہُمَا رِجَالاً۬ كَثِيرً۬ا وَنِسَآءً۬*ۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ ٱلَّذِى تَسَآءَلُونَ بِهِۦ وَٱلۡأَرۡحَامَ*ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ رَقِيبً۬ا (١)
O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.
وَءَاتُواْ ٱلۡيَتَـٰمَىٰٓ أَمۡوَٲلَہُمۡ*ۖ وَلَا تَتَبَدَّلُواْ ٱلۡخَبِيثَ بِٱلطَّيِّبِ*ۖ وَلَا تَأۡكُلُوٓاْ أَمۡوَٲلَهُمۡ إِلَىٰٓ أَمۡوَٲلِكُمۡ*ۚ إِنَّهُ ۥ كَانَ حُوبً۬ا كَبِيرً۬ا (٢)
4:2 (And)To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.
Now here is the catch:
O man kind! be careful of your duty to your Lord.............. hath been a watcher over you.
(in continuation) AND Give orphans their wealth......................indeed a great sin.
(in continuation) And....
If ye fear that...............
Check on line reference, if the word 'AND' is used or not
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/2/default.htm
Check on line reference, if the word "AND" is used or not for verse three
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/3/default.htm

Your favourite Translator has altogether omitted the arabic word "wahoo" which is in the
beginning of the verse: Why he did not put "And", now see how the verses are interlinked with or without orphans:

Even If you still doubt that how I understand Quran and fight for it word by word, then beat your chest. Now take help from some other Tababi, Zaheer Ithasham, and all others.
Rest your kilometer long cut n paste is now self-defeated.

[gazoomartian]

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?36772-Point-Blank-31st-may-2010-Alama-Ibtasam-Ilahi-Zaheer-Kia-Londi-Rekhna-Jaaiz-hai&highlight=loondi

The topic was discussed in this thread also?


Specially the one of Sura Nisa which give conditional permission with words "Feel Yatamay", NO ONE WISH TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
And that is the only verse in Quran where permission to marry with more than one has been mentioned. The People come to your head, if someone brings this to their attention. Threats, accusations, blames and whatsoever.

With all due respect to yourself and others:

We already had this discussion few months ago and every body had his say but nobody won the argument.

There are few things that are better left for Ulemas or a person with some authority to discuss.
We all can brainstorm but this subject of polygamy and three divorces (teen talaq) are very sensitive and require thorough knowledge before discussing.

I suggest we drop this topic and move on to better topics.

[gazoomartian]

I should be foremost in offering you an apology for taking you as Faiz A, instead of a female Faiza.

I welcome you on behalf of myself and other can sign on with me. Its about time some sisters got here too. We have few, notably Mehwish Ali, but she is always busy in talking about only and only MQM

Then there are Fauqia, Star, and Wanderer also. so now we have only 5 females. (bigsmile)

Slam to you

Gazoo Martian

[Naeem]

I should be foremost in offering you an apology for taking you as Faiz A, instead of a female Faiza.

I welcome you on behalf of myself and other can sign on with me. Its about time some sisters got here too. We have few, notably Mehwish Ali, but she is always busy in talking about only and only MQM

Then there are Fauqia, Star, and Wanderer also. so now we have only 5 females. (bigsmile)

Slam to you

Gazoo Martian

Sari females k naam yaad hain gazoo ji ko bhai:lol::lol::lol:[hilar]

[gazoomartian]

Sari females k naam yaad hain gazoo ji ko bhai:lol::lol::lol:[hilar]



کوئی صنف نازک بھی ان عقابی آنکھوں سے بچ نہیں سکتی


I am blessed with hawk eyes :lol::lol:

[babadeena]

With all due respect to yourself and others:

We already had this discussion few months ago and every body had his say but nobody won the argument.

There are few things that are better left for Ulemas or a person with some authority to discuss.
We all can brainstorm but this subject of polygamy and three divorces (teen talaq) are very sensitive and require thorough knowledge before discussing.

I suggest we drop this topic and move on to better topics.

I presume Faiza may respond. She started this thread.
Few things, almost all things left to Ulemas and we all are in such a trouble, they
will compose the music and we will have to listen them. Dropping a topic does not serve
anything, it should be dealt head-on. Anyhow as I said its Faiza's thread.

[Faiza]

I presume Faiza may respond. She started this thread.
Few things, almost all things left to Ulemas and we all are in such a trouble, they
will compose the music and we will have to listen them. Dropping a topic does not serve
anything, it should be dealt head-on. Anyhow as I said its Faiza's thread.

It’s not that simple to come on some kind of conclusion, remember we have so many firkay, And Fowling a Alim, so the question is which Alim, from which firka....Any way it’s our duty to read Quran and try to understand it....We will get reward of good intention (neat) from the blessing of Allah (InshaAllah)

[wadaich]

Dear Faiza



I should be foremost in offering you an apology for taking you as Faiz A, instead of a female Faiza.

I welcome you on behalf of myself and other can sign on with me. Its about time some sisters got here too. We have few, notably Mehwish Ali, but she is always busy in talking about only and only MQM

Then there are Fauqia, Star, and Wanderer also. so now we have only 5 females. (bigsmile)

Slam to you

Gazoo Martian





Faiza Bibi!

I may introduce Gazoo Martian to you. He is our uncle, rather this forums'. You are his fifth niece. He is a supernatural being. This is the picture of his youth(bigsmile) when he has a set of 32-teeth, at that time he was adviser to Pharaoh. Right now he has only one or two front teeth left which are hanging and may fall at any time. Moreover, he is a very experienced person. And he can occasionally surprise us by saying a wise thing.(serious)

[harisuae]

کوئی صنف نازک بھی ان عقابی آنکھوں سے بچ نہیں سکتی


I am blessed with hawk eyes :lol::lol:



experience matters

[babadeena]

It’s not that simple to come on some kind of conclusion, remember we have so many firkay, And Fowling a Alim, so the question is which Alim, from which firka....Any way it’s our duty to read Quran and try to understand it....We will get reward of good intention (neat) from the blessing of Allah (InshaAllah)

Faiza with due respect, you started this discussion, by pasting material from another source, without giving your own point of view. So it should have been much better, if you may have added your own comments on the subject. For the time being, we may presume that we do not belong to any Firka and we are not following any Alim, except that we resort to one source which is common and agreeable to everyone i.e. Quran. So depending upon the verses of Sura Nisa which you have quoted in your initial post, mine position is:

a) Quran is not the sole property of Muslims only but it is for all mankind;
b) the way of address in the opening first verse of Surah Nisa, is to all mankind and not to “Believers only”.
c) When the way of address is “to all mankind” then in it everyone irrespective of his/her religion, fiqa, nationality, colour, locality, region etc etc are included.

d) After explaining the “universality of total human race”, Allah Bari Tala warns all mankind to be afraid of Him and also to the Arhaam from where they are born and
again reminds the human race that He is always a Watcher over them.

e) AND, then in second verse, Allah exhorts the humans (all mankind) that they should give to orphans their(orphans’s wealth), and should not exchange the good things with bad ones, and not devor their(orphans) wealth into their(mankind’s) own wealth; and
warns that (doing such a thing) is great sin.

f) f) AND, if Ye(all mankind) fear that you will not be able to deal “in Orphans” fairly, THEN marry from women whom you like, two, three, four, THEN if ye(all mankind) fear that ye will not able to do justice, THEN ONLY ONE………
g)

So the subject of dealing about Orphans go on till verse No.10.


Now you can see yourself, without being into any firqa or without being utilizing the services of any Alim etc., the things are pretty clear:
i) Address is to all mankind; (not exclusively to Believers only).
ii) Subject matter is mainly about “Orphans”
iii) Only those can think of marrying more than one wife, who fulfill these conditions of
Orphans;
iv) It is not the “blank permission” to everyone to marry as per his “Lust and Desires
only”.
v) There is no such permission exclusively to Believers, which may start like this:
“Oh you who believe, marry the women of your likings, two, three, or four, but
if you fear that you will not do justice with more than one wife, then only one”,. ABSOLUTELY THERE IS NO SUCH VERSE EXCLUSIVELY TO BELIEVERS.

Now if someone wishes to make hay and get the services of his/her firka and preferred Alim plus preferred Tafsirs, so that Quranic verses can be twisted to benefit his desires, then that is another case. I always quote that Allah has given conditional permission to even eat Haram (including Pork) in exceptional circumstances, does it mean that it is a blank permission, A BIG QUESTION TO all those who wish to apply such conditional permissions to satisfy their lust and desires with the help of Alims, Tafsirs, Taweels, Sects and whatever. Now you please tell me, Fiaza, where you differ or agree?

[Faiza]

Faiza with due respect, you started this discussion, by pasting material from another source, without giving your own point of view. So it should have been much better, if you may have added your own comments on the subject. For the time being, we may presume that we do not belong to any Firka and we are not following any Alim, except that we resort to one source which is common and agreeable to everyone i.e. Quran. So depending upon the verses of Sura Nisa which you have quoted in your initial post, mine position is:

a) Quran is not the sole property of Muslims only but it is for all mankind;
b) the way of address in the opening first verse of Surah Nisa, is to all mankind and not to “Believers only”.
c) When the way of address is “to all mankind” then in it everyone irrespective of his/her religion, fiqa, nationality, colour, locality, region etc etc are included.

d) After explaining the “universality of total human race”, Allah Bari Tala warns all mankind to be afraid of Him and also to the Arhaam from where they are born and
again reminds the human race that He is always a Watcher over them.

e) AND, then in second verse, Allah exhorts the humans (all mankind) that they should give to orphans their(orphans’s wealth), and should not exchange the good things with bad ones, and not devor their(orphans) wealth into their(mankind’s) own wealth; and
warns that (doing such a thing) is great sin.

f) f) AND, if Ye(all mankind) fear that you will not be able to deal “in Orphans” fairly, THEN marry from women whom you like, two, three, four, THEN if ye(all mankind) fear that ye will not able to do justice, THEN ONLY ONE………
g)

So the subject of dealing about Orphans go on till verse No.10.


Now you can see yourself, without being into any firqa or without being utilizing the services of any Alim etc., the things are pretty clear:
i) Address is to all mankind; (not exclusively to Believers only).
ii) Subject matter is mainly about “Orphans”
iii) Only those can think of marrying more than one wife, who fulfill these conditions of
Orphans;
iv) It is not the “blank permission” to everyone to marry as per his “Lust and Desires
only”.
v) There is no such permission exclusively to Believers, which may start like this:
“Oh you who believe, marry the women of your likings, two, three, or four, but
if you fear that you will not do justice with more than one wife, then only one”,. ABSOLUTELY THERE IS NO SUCH VERSE EXCLUSIVELY TO BELIEVERS.

Now if someone wishes to make hay and get the services of his/her firka and preferred Alim plus preferred Tafsirs, so that Quranic verses can be twisted to benefit his desires, then that is another case. I always quote that Allah has given conditional permission to even eat Haram (including Pork) in exceptional circumstances, does it mean that it is a blank permission, A BIG QUESTION TO all those who wish to apply such conditional permissions to satisfy their lust and desires with the help of Alims, Tafsirs, Taweels, Sects and whatever. Now you please tell me, Fiaza, where you differ or agree?

Brother, Alhamdulillah I am Muslim, and I prefer to keep this as my only identity, I don’t belong to any FIRKA, nor I feel myself bound to fallow any one Alim,

Except that we resort to one source which is common and agreeable to everyone, Quran.

The verses of Sura Nisa which I have quoted in my initial post, you know that this doesn’t need my Explanation or clarification, its all clear for those who want to understand, and those who wants to use this verse to fulfill their wishes, That’s their problem… My view is that we can try to teach someone but we can not impose our ideas on any one, nor we can or allow forcing some one to agree with what we think is right…

The reason I start this thread was not telling some one, that what they should do, and I never meant that one should not have 2, 3, or 4 wives, I just mention that read the complete verse carefully, and try to understand, It is a big responsibility which usually people ignore; it has consequences, and this is not something to use as a tool to hurt and use any women. Marriage is not a fun or pleasure for man only but it’s a matter of a women’s life also….

As a human being we can never be perfect, we should try to do our best with good intention and with fear of God, every one will go into haven, only with the blessing of God ( InshaAllah talla)….

[omerkuwait]

@ Faiza
But this is not proper forum to discuss these sensitive matters.
.
and Faiza u must should follow this line plz.

[babadeena]

Brother, Alhamdulillah I am Muslim, and I prefer to keep this as my only identity, I don’t belong to any FIRKA, nor I feel myself bound to fallow any one Alim,

Except that we resort to one source which is common and agreeable to everyone, Quran.

The verses of Sura Nisa which I have quoted in my initial post, you know that this doesn’t need my Explanation or clarification, its all clear for those who want to understand, and those who wants to use this verse to fulfill their wishes, That’s their problem… My view is that we can try to teach someone but we can not impose our ideas on any one, nor we can or allow forcing some one to agree with what we think is right…

The reason I start this thread was not telling some one, that what they should do, and I never meant that one should not have 2, 3, or 4 wives, I just mention that read the complete verse carefully, and try to understand, It is a big responsibility which usually people ignore; it has consequences, and this is not something to use as a tool to hurt and use any women. Marriage is not a fun or pleasure for man only but it’s a matter of a women’s life also….

As a human being we can never be perfect, we should try to do our best with good intention and with fear of God, every one will go into haven, only with the blessing of God ( InshaAllah talla)….
Yes Faiza, u r right. I think nothing more to discuss on this topic now. We pointed out, now choice is upto everyone, we cannot force anyone to accept
anyone's point of view.

[bons]

Faiza with due respect, you started this discussion, by pasting material from another source, without giving your own point of view. So it should have been much better, if you may have added your own comments on the subject. For the time being, we may presume that we do not belong to any Firka and we are not following any Alim, except that we resort to one source which is common and agreeable to everyone i.e. Quran. So depending upon the verses of Sura Nisa which you have quoted in your initial post, mine position is:

a) Quran is not the sole property of Muslims only but it is for all mankind;
b) the way of address in the opening first verse of Surah Nisa, is to all mankind and not to “Believers only”.
c) When the way of address is “to all mankind” then in it everyone irrespective of his/her religion, fiqa, nationality, colour, locality, region etc etc are included.

d) After explaining the “universality of total human race”, Allah Bari Tala warns all mankind to be afraid of Him and also to the Arhaam from where they are born and
again reminds the human race that He is always a Watcher over them.

e) AND, then in second verse, Allah exhorts the humans (all mankind) that they should give to orphans their(orphans’s wealth), and should not exchange the good things with bad ones, and not devor their(orphans) wealth into their(mankind’s) own wealth; and
warns that (doing such a thing) is great sin.

f) f) AND, if Ye(all mankind) fear that you will not be able to deal “in Orphans” fairly, THEN marry from women whom you like, two, three, four, THEN if ye(all mankind) fear that ye will not able to do justice, THEN ONLY ONE………
g)

So the subject of dealing about Orphans go on till verse No.10.


Now you can see yourself, without being into any firqa or without being utilizing the services of any Alim etc., the things are pretty clear:
i) Address is to all mankind; (not exclusively to Believers only).
ii) Subject matter is mainly about “Orphans”
iii) Only those can think of marrying more than one wife, who fulfill these conditions of
Orphans;
iv) It is not the “blank permission” to everyone to marry as per his “Lust and Desires
only”.
v) There is no such permission exclusively to Believers, which may start like this:
“Oh you who believe, marry the women of your likings, two, three, or four, but
if you fear that you will not do justice with more than one wife, then only one”,. ABSOLUTELY THERE IS NO SUCH VERSE EXCLUSIVELY TO BELIEVERS.

Now if someone wishes to make hay and get the services of his/her firka and preferred Alim plus preferred Tafsirs, so that Quranic verses can be twisted to benefit his desires, then that is another case. I always quote that Allah has given conditional permission to even eat Haram (including Pork) in exceptional circumstances, does it mean that it is a blank permission, A BIG QUESTION TO all those who wish to apply such conditional permissions to satisfy their lust and desires with the help of Alims, Tafsirs, Taweels, Sects and whatever. Now you please tell me, Fiaza, where you differ or agree?

@babadeena
Are you trying to become another Javed Ghamdi?

Do you think that all the Sahaba karaam, Taabieen, Taba Tabieen, Aalims, scholars in the last 1400 years were all naoozubillah dumb? Didn't they know how to interpret Quran and Hadith?

We already have many problems. So don't try to create another fitna by your foolish interpretations of Quran.

I request all brother and sisters to be aware of this half-cooked aalim. He claims that he is an authority on Quran but you have seen how he interprets. He knows nothing about Hadith and sunnah which he has admitted in the past.

[babadeena]

@bons,

Are you trying to become another Javed Ghamdi?
No. Not at all.

Do you think that all the Sahaba karaam, Taabieen, Taba Tabieen, Aalims, scholars in the last 1400 years were all naoozubillah dumb? Didn't they know how to interpret Quran and Hadith?
No, I do not think so and never I thought so either. What makes you and your mind to
creep this?

We already have many problems.
Try to solution them. Good luck.


So don't try to create another fitna by your foolish interpretations of Quran.
Curse of Allah on those who created and are creating any fitna or also on them
who are wrongly accusing someone about this. You do not like my post do not read it, do
not be so foolish to read!

I request all brother and sisters to be aware of this half-cooked aalim. He claims that he is an authority on Quran but you have seen how he interprets.
I am not Alim nor I claimed it so. I am just only Quran Lover and Quran quoter.
I will interpret how it is, you do not read it. Rest let the Brothers and sisters decide themselves
do not become their spokesperson and that also uninvited?

He knows nothing about Hadith and sunnah which he has admitted in the past.
You r absolutely right. I have no knowledge of Hadiths, Quran answers my all queries. When there will be need I will go towards that end also, if needed.
Next time if you use the foul language, a befitting reply will be given to you.

[Nice2MU]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

Idiot if you got the Citizenship then why are you always mention in your post? You are just like hen who lay egg of 5 rupees and inform everyone in the village. Why are you consider everyone like you? Islam is not restrict to Pakistan or Saudia only. One can practice his/her Religion everywhere?

[Nice2MU]

Sari females k naam yaad hain gazoo ji ko bhai:lol::lol::lol:[hilar]

For you kind info he is not Bhai Jan, he is Uncle or may be Baba of some one LOL

[Nice2MU]

Mr deenobaba

I am really impressed with your power of assumption or theory, what ever it is…. So you even know what every one is doing in west…wow…You must be very thankful to God for this gift or you must be Joking…….That’s all I can say to you, Please think twice before say some thing or even more careful when you write.( Stop assuming )


Peoples think with brain but if a person has no brain then?

[Nice2MU]

There is something wrong with you.You are always giving irrelevent examples.The topic in question has nothing to do with canadian citizenship which you always mention in you posts.I hope you are not a refugee ??.Another thing I have noticed,you always say something bad about Islam,no matter what the topic is.Are you a Muslim or somebody else in the garb of a Muslim ????I posed this question to you before also but you kept mum.

There is everything wrong with this person. His name should be Shaitaanu baba instead.

[GeoG]

...............

[bons]

@bons,

What makes you and your mind to
creep this?



A new interpretation of Quran which no one was able to do before you.



You do not like my post do not read it, do not be so foolish to read!


Without reading anything how can I decide whether I like it or not? makes sense?



I am just only Quran Lover and Quran quoter.
I will interpret how it is, you do not read it. Rest let the Brothers and sisters decide themselves
do not become their spokesperson and that also uninvited?


I have never seen any Muslim saying "I am just only Quran Lover". Where do hadiths and Sunnah stand in your life? Do they have any significance?
You should rather say "I will interpret how I like to"
It is my duty to warn my brothers and sisters from harmful things. There are many young brothers and sisters here who can easily be misguided by people like you.



You r absolutely right. I have no knowledge of Hadiths, Quran answers my all queries. When there will be need I will go towards that end also, if needed.
Next time if you use the foul language, a befitting reply will be given to you.

If you are right then tell me how did you learn about wudhu, ghusl, azan, aqamat, salat, roza, hajj, zakat, timings of salat etc.? Islam is not only Quran but Quran & Sunnah. You are saying that "When there will be need I will go towards that end also". I can't understand how could you be a Muslim without 5 pillars of Islam. Can you practice all these things without consulting Hadith and sunnah?

Please feel free to use foul language if you want to. I am not stopping you. Call me whatever you like but STOP propogating your homegrown thing which could be anything but Islam.


...wa auzubika min fitna til mahya wal mamaat.

[karachiwala]

Yes we should follow HOLY QURAN, plus enjoy the life in the west, by the way in accordance with the teachings of HOLY QURAN I was'nt able to pray any prayer today because I was at work, I better ask my employer to arrange a mussala for me....right?...............Alhumdulillah citizenship tou mil gai what else do all we need.................yes all we need is copy and paste Islamic literature.I did'nt know that all the lovers of Islam are settled in the west.

We asked for a musalla and we got one!!! and I am not talking about a 2 shutter store I am talking about Rogers Communications!!!! Agar Imaan mazboot hae to sab kuch ho jaye ga!!!

[karachiwala]

@Bret Hawk,
you are literally a "Defeated Person", your reaction with "Street Language" was expected. I doubt very much if u did it on your own.
these were "instructions" to you (a minion) from your Masters. You r "literally coward", "manner-wise poor", and "knowledge-wise lacking".
You seem to be brought up in an environment which have taught you what you wrote.You have only now one choice, hang yourself ten feet high from the ground, and perhaps this way your rage may perish. Mine post No.48 is there contradict it if you have any knowledge. Words "Wah" and "Fah" are in your
throat neither you can swallow them nor you can vomit them out. But I doubt very much if you have any answer to that, because after 36 hours, you only came with "abuses". There is a verse about the people like you in Quran, but I do not wish to even waste it for a cheap person like you.

Listen my friend I am also one of those who are not very happy on you promoting your self to be some sort of an Aalim. As far I have read you I can guarantee that you will definately mislead a lot of people. Your knowledge in Islamic matters is next to nothing. It would be great if you do not try to interpret Quraan by yourself. I have read your comments many a times and every time I read your comment you act as your are the most learned person on that subject. Truth be told more than half what you say is your own iktirah which has nothing to do with Islam.

[sahiL]

there is no challenge that where u can follow Islam better whether its pakistan or some western country......it is upon us how we follow it.....location has nothing to do with ur Eman
maybe in pakistan if u,ve more distraction to follow Islamic teachings....if u pass thru these distractions....who knows Allah wanted u to go thru this test and HE might have a better reward 4 u

[rana14801]

Benzil what a great entry to this forum. i welcome u to our and now ur forum as well.

[Naeem]

Oey baba deena....
Club men rum soda mix kr k peena kitna jaez hay? aur agar pole dance dekh kr do rakat namaz parh li jaye toba ki to club jana jaez ho jaye ga? aur haan morgage men jo ghar lia hay uss pe jo interest de rahay ho wo to halaal hota hay na? beach chaddi men sun bath le lain aur agay peechay bikinis men khoobsurat kurian hon to unhain dekhna jaez hay ya nahi? jaldi se apni aalmaana experience se jawab marhamat farmayen...

[canadian]

I should be foremost in offering you an apology for taking you as Faiz A, instead of a female Faiza.

I welcome you on behalf of myself and other can sign on with me. Its about time some sisters got here too. We have few, notably Mehwish Ali, but she is always busy in talking about only and only MQM

Then there are Fauqia, Star, and Wanderer also. so now we have only 5 females. (bigsmile)

Slam to you

Gazoo Martian

Isko kehtain hai uptodate !!!

[canadian]

Faiza Bibi!

I may introduce Gazoo Martian to you. He is our uncle, rather this forums'. You are his fifth niece. He is a supernatural being. This is the picture of his youth(bigsmile) when he has a set of 32-teeth, at that time he was adviser to Pharaoh. Right now he has only one or two front teeth left which are hanging and may fall at any time. Moreover, he is a very experienced person. And he can occasionally surprise us by saying a wise thing.(serious)

Dont be jealous of Gazoo Bhai !!!

[babadeena]

Oey baba deena....
Club men rum soda mix kr k peena kitna jaez hay? aur agar pole dance dekh kr do rakat namaz parh li jaye toba ki to club jana jaez ho jaye ga? aur haan morgage men jo ghar lia hay uss pe jo interest de rahay ho wo to halaal hota hay na? beach chaddi men sun bath le lain aur agay peechay bikinis men khoobsurat kurian hon to unhain dekhna jaez hay ya nahi? jaldi se apni aalmaana experience se jawab marhamat farmayen...

Baydeen and Akhraat say fearless loogoon aur baysharm loogon kay liaya jaez hay?

[babadeena]

Listen my friend I am also one of those who are not very happy on you promoting your self to be some sort of an Aalim. As far I have read you I can guarantee that you will definately mislead a lot of people. Your knowledge in Islamic matters is next to nothing. It would be great if you do not try to interpret Quraan by yourself. I have read your comments many a times and every time I read your comment you act as your are the most learned person on that subject. Truth be told more than half what you say is your own iktirah which has nothing to do with Islam.

This your own feeling. If you have anything concrete, please share. Are you also intoxicated with all those who are in the grip of past.

[samar]

This your own feeling. If you have anything concrete, please share. Are you also intoxicated with all those who are in the grip of past.

babadeena : grip of the past se yaad aya............ye vo hazrat hain jo k Mehr bukhari k najaiz talukaat ko jaiz keh rahey they.....................

[wadaich]

Canadian

Dont be jealous of Gazoo Bhai !!!

He is a loving Chachoo of this forum. To hum kia atkailian bhi nahi kar saktay. (Crying)(Crying)(Crying)(Crying)(Crying)

[wadaich]

Samar
babadeena : grip of the past se yaad aya............ye vo hazrat hain jo k Mehr bukhari k najaiz talukaat ko jaiz keh rahey they.....................


Yeh log Abdullah-ibn-Ubai ki sunnat ko zinda karnay walay hein. In ko ziada tawajoh mat do bhai.

[babadeena]

babadeena : grip of the past se yaad aya............ye vo hazrat hain jo k Mehr bukhari k najaiz talukaat ko jaiz keh rahey they.....................

I am not witness of anyone's alleged "najaiz talukaat" (illicit relations). You are accusing her. Be Afraid of Allah to whom you have
to confront before accusing any lady.