KAUSAR AUR AJRE RUSSALAT pbuh

[ALZULFIQAR]

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[sahiL]

yaar maafi chahta hon but yeh kounsa tareeka hai....sun-ne aur sunanay ka
maafi again but plz xplain....

[rana14801]

u r right my dear. let me add some thing as allama sahib said in the start that Allah ne kaha aye mehboob tu nahin manta....... that shows that Allah majboor ho gaya. naoozobillah.any way every one speaks according to his thoughts and ideas and wisdom. may be i m wrong in understanding. may Allah put me wise to understand His DEEN in correct perspective.Aameen

[rehbar]

This Allama said "called them Syed" but "Abu-Jahal was also Syed........could you please call him Syed Abu-Jahal"........:.....Quran says "We create Adam(a.s) with dust...He was 1st creation but Alama give you another conclusion .....:..............one Guy in Audience keep saying "La-Shaka" is it urdu wala shaka or arabic wala hai.........what a senseless audience...the way they praising, its looks like they are in musical party...:

[sarbakaf]

Will all due respect , it look like if he is reading from a novel.Look at the way this person is describing Dialog between Creator and Creation PBUH.
This is unacceptable by any standard. This person is more actor than scholar.
and he has mis-stated the factual events.

[ALZULFIQAR]

This Allama said "called them Syed" but "Abu-Jahal was also Syed........could you please call him Syed Abu-Jahal"........:.....Quran says "We create Adam(a.s) with dust...He was 1st creation but Alama give you another conclusion .....:..............one Guy in Audience keep saying "La-Shaka" is it urdu wala shaka or arabic wala hai.........what a senseless audience...the way they praising, its looks like they are in musical party...:

dear if you do not know who are syed and do not know about history then please do not try to reply.. ask someone about syed.... i am really sorry about your weak knowledge on islam..but its not your fault whole life you just attended or listen normal madressa pass molvis.
About Allama Naseem.. he is professor and what he is talking you need allot of knowledge to just understand him..its not just for time pass people...

[babadeena]

dear if you do not know who are syed and do not know about history then please do not try to reply.. ask someone about syed.... i am really sorry about your weak knowledge on islam..but its not your fault whole life you just attended or listen normal madressa pass molvis.
About Allama Naseem.. he is professor and what he is talking you need allot of knowledge to just understand him..its not just for time pass people...

Thanks to this Forum. The stage has been set by creating a different section. In fact some long time back, I in my one post, suggested that all discussion
in one way or another leads to religion therefore, a separate section of this forum is desireable.
Zulfiqar! be my guest:
a) This Alim is ignorant, intoxicated in his own made theory.
b) He is twisting Quranic verses and picking something from here and something from there just to portray his own belief;
c) Care to explain who "Syeds" are, unfortunately you seem to be under a severe influence of Sub-continent to portray Syedism,
whereas this does not mean anything except a word or title.
d) the way the Alim is stating about "Allah", is a derrogatory way and he must repent and all those who are following him.

[ALZULFIQAR]

Thanks to this Forum. The stage has been set by creating a different section. In fact some long time back, I in my one post, suggested that all discussion
in one way or another leads to religion therefore, a separate section of this forum is desireable.
Zulfiqar! be my guest:
a) This Alim is ignorant, intoxicated in his own made theory.
b) He is twisting Quranic verses and picking something from here and something from there just to portray his own belief;
c) Care to explain who "Syeds" are, unfortunately you seem to be under a severe influence of Sub-continent to portray Syedism,
whereas this does not mean anything except a word or title.
d) the way the Alim is stating about "Allah", is a derrogatory way and he must repent and all those who are following him.
DEAR THANKS.. ITS ALWAYS NICE TO TALK HERE WITH SOME FRIENDS.. OK I AM YOUR GUEST TODAY AND HOPE YOU WILL BE MY GUEST TOO ONE DAY.
1) WHAT THAT ALLAMA MADE HIS OWN THEORY? He explained about meaning of Quraba.. thats it..
2) Twisting Quranic verses... nice.. can you show me your Qalma together or your Namaz together in Quran? is it twisting qalima and namaz?
3) Syed is Laqab of Mohammad pbuh given by Allah.. I am not talking about todays Syed..
4) You started to watch clip it s before also one part and next parts also you have to watch and make decision..

[atensari]

ازواج، آل اور اصحاب محمّد صلله علیہ کا احترام ہر مسلمان کے لیے ضروری ہے، لیکن غلو سے بچنا چاہیے

[babadeena]

1) WHAT THAT ALLAMA MADE HIS OWN THEORY? He explained about meaning of Quraba.. thats it..
He did not explain at all anything rather confused and complicated everything according to his own interpretation. He has
no knowledge of that verse at all. I will get on with it a latter stage, word by word;

2) Twisting Quranic verses... nice.. can you show me your Qalma together or your Namaz together in Quran?
is it twisting qalima and namaz?
Now what kind of argument it is? If you wish to discuss something with me, then there should be some logical and
supportive arguments.

3) Syed is Laqab of Mohammad pbuh given by Allah.. I am not talking about todays Syed..
OK Show me that verse where "Syed" Laqab has been given to our Prophet(PBUH), Definitely I am also not
talking about today's claimed Syed. Ask the help of this Alim to give me that specific verse in which "Allah has given
this title to our Prophet(pbuh). Now come on. Ya Sin's translation is made up by this Alim.

4) You started to watch clip it s before also one part and next parts also you have to watch and make decision..
On you insistence, I watched the both clips. I made my decision:
a) The alim is sheer ignorant;
b) He is extremely biased towards understanding quran according to his own-made-up theory;
I will like to discuss with you with reference to this clip:
a) refusal of Rasool (PBUH) and only agreeing when Allah gave him something;
b) The word "Kausar" is Fatima(as), give me any reference from online or from Quran that it is?
c) The translation of the Shia's preferred verse "Qurba"
d) Guide me if in total Quran somewhere the word "AAlay Rasool" and "Aulade-Rasool" is used.
I shall catch with you latter. In the meantime please prepare yourself with above logical and substantial things.

زواج، آل اور اصحاب محمّد صلله علیہ کا احترام ہر مسلمان کے لیے ضروری ہے، لیکن غلو سے بچنا چاہیے
Atensari Sahib,
The word "AAl"(آل )" has been frequently used in Quran, can u also help to find if somewhere it is used "Aalay Rasool", "Aalay Mohammad(PBUH)"
thanks.

[atensari]

Atensari Sahib,
The word "AAl"(آل )" has been frequently used in Quran, can u also help to find if somewhere it is used "Aalay Rasool", "Aalay Mohammad(PBUH)"
thanks.

Islam = Quran + Sunnat

Do you want prove from Quran?

[ALZULFIQAR]

he did not explain at all anything rather confused and complicated everything according to his own interpretation. He has
no knowledge of that verse at all. I will get on with it a latter stage, word by word;

now what kind of argument it is? If you wish to discuss something with me, then there should be some logical and
supportive arguments.

Ok show me that verse where "syed" laqab has been given to our prophet(pbuh), definitely i am also not
talking about today's claimed syed. Ask the help of this alim to give me that specific verse in which "allah has given
this title to our prophet(pbuh). Now come on. Ya sin's translation is made up by this alim.

On you insistence, i watched the both clips. I made my decision:
A) the alim is sheer ignorant;
b) he is extremely biased towards understanding quran according to his own-made-up theory;
i will like to discuss with you with reference to this clip:
A) refusal of rasool (pbuh) and only agreeing when allah gave him something;
b) the word "kausar" is fatima(as), give me any reference from online or from quran that it is?
C) the translation of the shia's preferred verse "qurba"
d) guide me if in total quran somewhere the word "aalay rasool" and "aulade-rasool" is used.
I shall catch with you latter. In the meantime please prepare yourself with above logical and substantial things.

Atensari sahib,
the word "aal"(آل )" has been frequently used in quran, can u also help to find if somewhere it is used "aalay rasool", "aalay mohammad(pbuh)"
thanks.

he explained about syed to.. But i do not know what you want to konw.. I did not talk about twist? You used word about twist.. And its reality that many thing in quran are not together.. Is it or not? Second.. If you want to talk that guy i can arrange.. He was professor in lahore.. If you are from lahore you can try to meet him and talk openly too.. But believe me you have no knowledge.. Which person did not understand syed.. What he knows..????????? Big question...

[biomat]

Salam
Brother atansari, let brother babadeena explain his understanding, as he told that he will address it soon.

[babadeena]

he explained about syed to.. But i do not know what you want to konw.. I did not talk about twist? You used word about twist.. And its reality that many thing in quran are not together.. Is it or not? Second.. If you want to talk that guy i can arrange.. He was professor in lahore.. If you are from lahore you can try to meet him and talk openly too.. But believe me you have no knowledge.. Which person did not understand syed.. What he knows..????????? Big question...

He did not explain anything about Syed. He just projected his own faith/creed/sect nothing. The word "Syed" is not the monopoly of any one, either you please with the help of Quran support your projection or I with the help of Quran will prove that this is not the monopoly of anyone.
Please read Quran the arabic words are "Fee ilqurba" and not "Lil Qurba" , show me any dictionary of the world where the arabic word "Fee" has been
translated as "for" in English. In translation it means "in Quraba, in relationship". There is nothing to discuss with you since you seem to be only on
one agenda to just paste the video clip to propagate your creed or a particular creed.

Islam = Quran + Sunnat

Do you want prove from Quran?
Brother I did not ask you what Islam is equal to rather a question was asked if it is in Quran. Your reply implies that it is not in Quran but in Sunnat, according to you. Then be content Brother that although in Quran the word "Aal" has been used frequently it has not been used for as I have asked you.

[ALZULFIQAR]

When are you going to raiwand?

[babadeena]

When are you going to raiwand?

Take Care next time when you wish to propogate Shiaism on this board and that also with wrong INTERPRETATION OF QURAN. That will
be checked, it is guaranteed. I have never been to Raiwand, nor I intend to, but it shows that two posts from me, and the baloon is off.

[ALZULFIQAR]

Take Care next time when you wish to propogate Shiaism on this board and that also with wrong INTERPRETATION OF QURAN. That will
be checked, it is guaranteed. I have never been to Raiwand, nor I intend to, but it shows that two posts from me, and the baloon is off.

My dear Baba Deena... not next time.. its better to finish it this time.. i am not propagate shiaism.. people like you always think that which one love Mohammad pbuh s family more then shaba they are shia.. i love them more then any other shaba and i got this lesson from shaba.. you cannot compare them to any shaba..
second you asked about to show syed in quran.. my dear friend.. you are asking to show syed in Quran.. if you have more knowledge and you believe more then me on Quran then just show me your Qalma in Quran.. you perform your namaz everyday.. just show me your whole namaz in Quran.. time of Namaz and Azan in Quran.. way of Hajj in Quran.. you cannot show me it whole life.. because its different shown in Quran as you perform.. even you cannot show how you do Vozo.. because its different then your practical.. maybe you did not go to Raiwand but i had been there many time.. i visited all sects of islam..its names of Mohammad pbuh and one of them is Syed too.. i can give answers of your all questions but i am working too and i am not here all the time.. before you ask some other questions try to find of your Qalma and Namaz and style of Vozo in Quran and then talk with me..

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[babadeena]

Beyond any doubt the video posted above is the propogation of Shiaism. I do not mind nor I should because every sect or everyone has
this right to do so, but what I am objecting is that the way Quran has been quoted and misquoted into the video.

a) According to this so-called Alim, the word "Kausar" is "Fatima(as)". If any reader has any kind of translation, it may please be produced on line.
This so-called Alim think that Nauzobilla, Allah(SWT) did not have enough word to be used or HE is the one who given the name of "Yahya", "Mariam",
could not name Fatima as Fatima but Kausar. How Ignorant this Alim is that Allah the Mighty one even used the word "Zaid" in Quran, then had it
been for the daughter of our beloved Prophet(pbuh), it should have been clearly used. This is all self-made theory of this Alim to justify their creed
through Quran.
b) According to this Alim, Allah asked Prophet to come to Heavens, but Prophet(pbuh) did not want to go. Who should tell this Ignorant Alim that
Allah's Power is "Kun Fayakoon", everyone is slave to Him, No one has any authority to disobey Him when he ordered something. And If someone
disobeyed then his status turns to be.......... This Alim does not even has the idea of what the hell he is talking himself.

c) According to this Alim, if Kausar is just a font in paradize, that can even be forthcoming for all those who say "Yah Ali"", Does not need any
more comments on this.

d) The word Fee Qurba and Lil Qurba, I have already pointed out. There is day and night difference in that.

THE FACT IS THAT SHIAISM HAS NOTHING TO PROVE FROM QURAN, I REPEAT NOTHING TO PROVE THEIR CREED FROM QURAN. ALL THEIR
THEORIES DPEND UPON CONJECTURE AND SELF-MADE FANTASIES. However, if they are and sure they are dependent upon other Scriptures less
Quran, then let them be.

[ALZULFIQAR]

Beyond any doubt the video posted above is the propogation of Shiaism. I do not mind nor I should because every sect or everyone has
this right to do so, but what I am objecting is that the way Quran has been quoted and misquoted into the video.

a) According to this so-called Alim, the word "Kausar" is "Fatima(as)". If any reader has any kind of translation, it may please be produced on line.
This so-called Alim think that Nauzobilla, Allah(SWT) did not have enough word to be used or HE is the one who given the name of "Yahya", "Mariam",
could not name Fatima as Fatima but Kausar. How Ignorant this Alim is that Allah the Mighty one even used the word "Zaid" in Quran, then had it
been for the daughter of our beloved Prophet(pbuh), it should have been clearly used. This is all self-made theory of this Alim to justify their creed
through Quran.
b) According to this Alim, Allah asked Prophet to come to Heavens, but Prophet(pbuh) did not want to go. Who should tell this Ignorant Alim that
Allah's Power is "Kun Fayakoon", everyone is slave to Him, No one has any authority to disobey Him when he ordered something. And If someone
disobeyed then his status turns to be.......... This Alim does not even has the idea of what the hell he is talking himself.

c) According to this Alim, if Kausar is just a font in paradize, that can even be forthcoming for all those who say "Yah Ali"", Does not need any
more comments on this.

d) The word Fee Qurba and Lil Qurba, I have already pointed out. There is day and night difference in that.

THE FACT IS THAT SHIAISM HAS NOTHING TO PROVE FROM QURAN, I REPEAT NOTHING TO PROVE THEIR CREED FROM QURAN. ALL THEIR
THEORIES DPEND UPON CONJECTURE AND SELF-MADE FANTASIES. However, if they are and sure they are dependent upon other Scriptures less
Quran, then let them be.

ASK DR. TAHIR UL QADRI.. HE WILL TELL YOU THAT KAUSAR MEAN IS FATIMA AS.. LEAVE KAUSR... THINK ABOUT YOUR QALMA AND NAMAZ.. AND VOZO... SEARCH WHAT QURAN SAYS ABOUT THESE THINGS .. AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND KAUSAR.... WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT GOD GIVE JUST ONE LAKE OF WATER TO MOHAMMAD pbuh ..AND SHOW TO WHOLE WORLD?

[babadeena]

Zulfiqar! I thought u r a learned person in Quran, but you proved nothing except to ask stereo type questions asked for
generations. Therefore, I do not waist time on such questions and answers. You can check Quran yourself, do not
expect that someone will give you this pre-made.
You can give, if you wish, my post to Dr. Tahir ul Qadri also?

[ALZULFIQAR]

i think you must ask by yourself to dr. Qadri.. I told you.. Just quran is not enough.. If you believe that just quran is enough.. Then show me right path.. Tell me its qalma in quran.. Its namaz in quran.. Its azan in quran.. Its time of iftar and shar in quran.. If you are faithful muslim.. Please help me.. Make me the true muslim.. Please.. Leave this alim.. Show me your knowledge.. Please..

[ALZULFIQAR]

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Prophet Muhammad - may Allah (SWT) bestow peace and benedictions upon him and his pure Progeny - said: "Verily, I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you: the Book of Allah and my kindred (itrah), my household Ahlul Bayt (Ahl al-Bayt), for indeed, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the Pond (of al Kawthar on the Day of Judgement)." [Hadith-e-Saqlain]

[babadeena]

i think you must ask by yourself to dr. Qadri.. I told you.. Just quran is not enough.. If you believe that just quran is enough.. Then show me right path.. Tell me its qalma in quran.. Its namaz in quran.. Its azan in quran.. Its time of iftar and shar in quran.. If you are faithful muslim.. Please help me.. Make me the true muslim.. Please.. Leave this alim.. Show me your knowledge.. Please..

Why I should leave this Alim. You have to realize one thing. That it is an international board. You selected those video with some "OBJECTIVE"
in your mind, or u wish to say that it was mere "Pass Time exercise". What you think that here people are only grazing the sheeps. Believe
me that I have not even biopsied this video 10 percent.
Please do not quote "Hadiths", I have no knowledge of them. But I tell you that the one you quoted has got definitely THREE VERSION:
a) Leaving Quran only;
b) leaveing Quran and Sunnat only
c) leaving Quran, Sunnat, and Ahalulbait.
I do not adopt the things on which there is Question Mark?
You wish to be a true Muslim, You may implore to Allah, because only he Guides to Whom He will, Revert to Your Creator,
instead of concentrating on Past Personalities, concentrate on HIM alone, perhaps He may show you right path and May Allah do so.

[ALZULFIQAR]

As i told you.. i leave myself on you.. show me the right path.. you have knowledge of quran... tell me according to quran.. how to be faithful? how i can perform namaz? which time and how i have to do vozo? about ramadan.. about hajj.. about zakat..

[babadeena]

As i told you.. i leave myself on you.. show me the right path.. you have knowledge of quran... tell me according to quran.. how to be faithful? how i can perform namaz? which time and how i have to do vozo? about ramadan.. about hajj.. about zakat..
Leave aside all your pre-conceived concepts and beliefs; go towards Quran in a neutral way, have the sincereity in your intention, implore to Allah,
daily read only two verses but with full understanding, again implore to Allah, and check yourself the difference.

[ALZULFIQAR]

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنْ يَّشْرِيْ نَفْسَهُ ابْـتِغَاۗءَ مَرْضَاتِ اللّٰهِ ۭ وَاللّٰهُ رَءُوْفٌۢ بِالْعِبَادِ

دوسری طرف انسانوں ہی میں کوئی ایسا بھی ہے ، جو رضائے الٰہی کی طلب میں اپنی جان کھپا دیتا ہے اور ایسے بندوں پر اللہ بہت مہربان ہے۔(207

And among men there is ONE who sells his soul to seek the pleasure of Allah; and truly Allah is affectionate to His (such) servants. Surae Baqarah, 2 : 207

BELIEVE ME I READ QURAN .. SURA BAQARAH.. HERE ALLAH TALK ABOUT ONE WHO SELLS HIS SOUL TO ALLAH.... DO YOU HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THEN ME ABOUT KNOWLEDGE.. LETS TELL ME WHO IS THAT ONE?

[biomat]

Dear Bro Babadeena
Assalam-o-alaikum
I totally agree with your point of view that there is wide difference between thinking of SUNNI & SHIA on some basic points including the topic of this thread..
.. ALLAH knows best as i may be wrong in judging it, he might be trying to bridge the gap or trying to raise our awareness.. His intentions may be right but the way he is posting, i think the result is totally different as just recently most of his posts have created differences.
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To get back to topic, without criticizing the shia sect, babadeena brother, can you share tafaseer of SURAH KAUSAR from different authentic writers so that we can get clear picture what KAUSAR means.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

[Pakistani1947]

My dear Baba Deena... not next time.. its better to finish it this time.. i am not propagate shiaism.. people like you always think that which one love Mohammad pbuh s family more then shaba they are shia.. i love them more then any other shaba and i got this lesson from shaba.. you cannot compare them to any shaba..
second you asked about to show syed in quran.. my dear friend.. you are asking to show syed in Quran.. if you have more knowledge and you believe more then me on Quran then just show me your Qalma in Quran.. you perform your namaz everyday.. just show me your whole namaz in Quran.. time of Namaz and Azan in Quran.. way of Hajj in Quran.. you cannot show me it whole life.. because its different shown in Quran as you perform.. even you cannot show how you do Vozo.. because its different then your practical.. maybe you did not go to Raiwand but i had been there many time.. i visited all sects of islam..its names of Mohammad pbuh and one of them is Syed too.. i can give answers of your all questions but i am working too and i am not here all the time.. before you ask some other questions try to find of your Qalma and Namaz and style of Vozo in Quran and then talk with me..

In front of Allah the rewards and status is raised based on "Taqwa" not based on relationship with anybody:

'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), reported that the Quraish were concerned about the woman who had committed theft during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), in the expedition of Victory (of Mecca). They said: Who would speak to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about her? They (again) said: Who can dare do this but Usama b Zaid, the loved one of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? She was brought to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and Usama b. Zaid s***e about her to him (interceded on her behalf). The colour of the face of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) changed, and he said: Do you intercede in one of the prescribed punishments of Allah? He (Usama) said: 'Messenger of Allah, seek forgiveness for me. When it was dusk. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up and gave an address. He (first) glorified Allah as He deserves, and then said: Now to our topic. This (injustice) destroyed those before you that when any one of (high) rank committed theft among them, they spared him, and when any weak one among them committed theft, they inflicted the prescribed punishment upon him. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, even if Fatima daughter of Muhammad were to commit theft, I would have cut off her hand. He (the Holy Prophet) then commanded about that woman who had committed theft, and her hand was cut off. 'A'isha (further) said: Hers was a good respentance, and she later on married and used to come to me after that, and I conveyed her needs (and problems) to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). [Sahih Muslim, Hadeeth# 4188]

[sahiL]

by God we need more ppl like babadeena to tackle the wrong interpretation of Quran
just by saying...u don,t know anything about Quran n Sunna doesn,t prove ur point zulfiqar
instead of questions....come up with explanations......n i agree with babadeena that u,re just propagating shiaism.....sorry to say
but u urself don,t know anything......Allah will not ask us...did u ask Tahir Ul Qadri or this molvi u posted the videos above.....but surely he,ll hold us accountable if we don,t strive to seach for the truth
no Tahir ul qadri or any other Aalim will be responsible for our deeds......its just our ownself buddy
plz don,t make it so hard for urself.....believe in Quran n authentic books of Hadith....n u,ll not be astrayed ........

[ALZULFIQAR]

My brother..i said i do not know about Quran and islam.. i requested mr baba deena that if he says that quran is enough then show me Qalma, namaz. azan, hajj, zakat and fasting time in quran.. i will fallow him.. i accept that i have no knowledge.. show me right path through just quran... i will be great full... it is way to help me.. you do if you can...
i agree with you that Allah will not ask about dr qadri.. .. but we fallow imams.. and imam mean which take responsibility.. because of this whole world fallow imams... Hanafi..shafi..hambli..or jafar e sadiq.. these are responsible because we fallow them because we got through them these fiqas..

[babadeena]

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنْ يَّشْرِيْ نَفْسَهُ ابْـتِغَاۗءَ مَرْضَاتِ اللّٰهِ ۭ وَاللّٰهُ رَءُوْفٌۢ بِالْعِبَادِ

دوسری طرف انسانوں ہی میں کوئی ایسا بھی ہے ، جو رضائے الٰہی کی طلب میں اپنی جان کھپا دیتا ہے اور ایسے بندوں پر اللہ بہت مہربان ہے۔(207

And among men there is ONE who sells his soul to seek the pleasure of Allah; and truly Allah is affectionate to His (such) servants. Surae Baqarah, 2 : 207

BELIEVE ME I READ QURAN .. SURA BAQARAH.. HERE ALLAH TALK ABOUT ONE WHO SELLS HIS SOUL TO ALLAH.... DO YOU HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THEN ME ABOUT KNOWLEDGE.. LETS TELL ME WHO IS THAT ONE?
Definitely it is not a "particular personality-specific" as a sect pretend. It is general principle applicable to everyone, everytime and everywhere. Your question "who is that one" raises eye brows. Please come out of this pre-conceived concepts if you wish to understand quran.
BTW I have marked Red certain words in Urdu translation, ask the translator for which Arabic words He wrote them? Unfortunately, the pity is that
people intoxicated in their sects wish to mold Quran according to their own whims/desires.
If you wish to understand this verse read it with reference to context from the previous verses. According to your criteria who are then the people for
the verse No.204, 200,201 etc.
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps02/ch02o.html

[babadeena]

Dear Bro Babadeena
Assalam-o-alaikum
I totally agree with your point of view that there is wide difference between thinking of SUNNI & SHIA on some basic points including the topic of this thread..
.. ALLAH knows best as i may be wrong in judging it, he might be trying to bridge the gap or trying to raise our awareness.. His intentions may be right but the way he is posting, i think the result is totally different as just recently most of his posts have created differences.
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To get back to topic, without criticizing the shia sect, babadeena brother, can you share tafaseer of SURAH KAUSAR from different authentic writers so that we can get clear picture what KAUSAR means.
Jaza-k-ALLAH
Brother, WaalikumSalaamwa Rehmutllah!.
I do not go into Tafaseers for various reasons, I only try to understand Quran with the help of Quran only. According to me the best
criteria is that get the relevant word, in this case, Kausar, check from all Quran where this word and in which verses this word has been used
in different ways, then meaning automatically come to your heart and mind. Perhaps u may have noticed I never quote anybody's tafseer, because:
Tafseers had been written as per pre-determined concepts of the writer's faith and preferences etc. If we take the root word of Kausar from Quran,
this has been used in different way in different places. This word has been tied up by many mufasirs with a fountain in Janat and now with Fatima(as),
whereas the fountains of Janat has been specifically mentioned in Quran and in no way the arabic word kausar is Fatima. The verse is related to
our Prophet(pbuh) and is specific. The guiding principle which we can take is: If Allah gives you in abundance, then pray to your Lord and make
sacrifices, do not care about your enemies, because which Allah has granted you no one can take away and if He withhelds anything, then no one
can grant that. It is simple, coincise and to the point.
May Allah bless you. I have nothing against Shias or any other sect whosoever it may be, but if someone tries to play with Quran to adjust it with
his/her own pre-determined creed, then it is my duty atleast once to point it out. Therefore, I do not buy anything from this Alim in Question what he
said, for me he is mischievous and malfide.

[sahiL]

as far as i know all the Imams strived to get Hadiths in different times and from different sources where they differ
n they tried to reform it for the betterment of Islam, not to create sects
n all of them said....if u find any of our teachingz contradicting with Quran...don,t take it
it means we the ppL with our limited knowledge misinterpret Quran n Imams....we don,t have to follow these Imams in order to be acceptable Muslim in the sight of Allah
or plz correct me if we have to(*) follow them

[babadeena]

Allah has no where stated in Quran that believers are supposed to follow Imams but rather has emphasized to follow the Guidance which
has been sent and will remain this Guidance as "Imam" till the end of this universe. No doubt all four Imams were learned personalities of their
era but it does not mean that we have to accept blindly what the present day people attribute towards them as "having said" or to make sects on their names.

[atensari]

Tafseer Ibn-e-Kaseer

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[karachiwala]

OK I heard this guy and am in a position to say that this person has no connection with ILM. Whatever he is talking about is far far from what I have heard from not one not ten but hundreds of scholars. There is no sanad of whatever he is saying and the people who are praising him should be put in a mental facility. If allamas like him keep cropping up soon we will not know what true deen is. If you love Ahl-e-Bayt then do not transgress. We all love Ahl-e-Bayt!!!!

[karachiwala]

JazakallahJazakallah