Dr Zakir Naik & Altaf Hussain-Same Thought About Partition

[Jury]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMsg8lt0Grw

[Arrow]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

hehehehehehehe

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[adonis_look]

Logically speaking from ummah he is right.. India btw is much better off with partition.. It would have been all the more better if all the muslms who actually voted for Pakistan had moved to pakistan.. but anyway jo hua so hua..

Just imagine these mullah lobby holding India hostage over every little issues.. Ww would have seen many nonsense like Khilafat movement taking place in India..Had this whole part been one entity..

[Jury]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

hehehehehehehe

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This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.

[siddique]

dr zakir naik is living in india , an indian citizen,so it makes sense if he says anything contrary to pakistan,end of the day he has to live in india otherwise you know bharat jalao party(bjp) shieve seana,bajrung dal,hindu tava etc etc,but when it comes to the comedian and madari so called mustaqil qoumai musibat(mqm)leader,he is born and bread in pakistan,when he flee to uk he used pakistan passport,yet he is so attached
to the indians and he is against the partition,he should go and live in india under bjp,gujrat would be his ideal place,all the supports he gets from pakistan tell us how many indians support him,have you ever heard an indian prasing pakistan and talking rubbish against india,anyway as for dr zakir naik he is a mubalig or preacher he should better stick to the tablig,that is his oppinion,not a fatwa and he is not a mufti what he says is not something
we have to follow,rassulalah sallalaho alaihay wassalam says, who ever spread asbiat,is not from us.
your leader wife left him and took divource calling him physcopath,any more proof?????????????

[Jury]

Logically speaking from ummah he is right.. India btw is much better off with partition.. It would have been all the more better if all the muslms who actually voted for Pakistan had moved to pakistan.. but anyway jo hua so hua..

Just imagine these mullah lobby holding India hostage over every little issues.. Ww would have seen many nonsense like Khilafat movement taking place in India..Had this whole part been one entity..
100%.

[ConcernedPakistani]

Who ever wants to go to India is more then welcome to go and live with them.

People who are against the partition and think that it was a blunder have the right to go to India and be loyal to the Indian government.

The choice is always there.

[ConcernedPakistani]

This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.




Do you know about Dr. Israr Ahmed's point of view on partition?

[ConcernedPakistani]

Mr. Jury I have a suggestion for you. Stop working for Altaf Hussain and start working for Pakistan.

[Jury]

This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.

Do you know about Dr. Israr Ahmed's point of view on partition?
Yes, he says, by the definition of POLITCAL SCIENCE,
Pakistan shouldn't have made.
But, Pakistan existence is Miracle from the God.
Try to get my point. People have different point of view, nothing exceptional.

[Arrow]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

hehehehehehehe

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http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:spTdtUFp6cvGgM:http://www.h4x3d.com/feat/themes/glass2.jpg
This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.


Sooooooooooooo What
He is still indian.....

And it is not a compulsion to agree with him on all the things...

[adonis_look]

Who ever wants to go to India is more then welcome to go and live with them.

People who are against the partition and think that it was a blunder have the right to go to India and be loyal to the Indian government.

The choice is always there.

Sorry body India is not an option for anyone who crossed the borde in 1947 .. yes persecuted hindus every now and then keep comign on pilgrimage and refuse to rerun and seek immigration on refugee ground and that is given due consideration but that's where story ends..

[ConcernedPakistani]

People who believe that Partition was a blunder or was wrong DONT believe in Pakistan.

They say partition was wrong, partition was a blunder so creation of Pakistan was wrong. Anyone who doesnt believe in creation of Pakistan CAN NOT be loyal to Pakistan.

If someone has this point of view they have the choice to go to India and live according to their beliefs.

[adonis_look]

This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.




Do you know about Dr. Israr Ahmed's point of view on partition?

Dr. Israr's big boss Madoodi himself was against parition.. ..

[adonis_look]

People who believe that Partition was a blunder or was wrong DONT believe in Pakistan.

They say partition was wrong, partition was a blunder so creation of Pakistan was wrong. Anyone who doesnt believe in creation of Pakistan CAN NOT be loyal to Pakistan.

If someone has this point of view they have the choice to go to India and live according to their beliefs.

That will be JUI too dr. Israr etc included .. but sorry brother there is no place for those who once crossed the border inside India anymore

[ConcernedPakistani]

Sorry body India is not an option for anyone who crossed the borde in 1947 .. yes persecuted hindus every now and then keep comign on pilgrimage and refuse to rerun and seek immigration on refugee ground and that is given due consideration but that's where story ends..


Well Sir, we have some people here in Pakistan who want to go to India and have requested India for this purpose. They think that Pakistan's creation was wrong or was a blunder. These people can be very useful for you.

[shagi]

Zakir Naik's views are very extreme and most muslim do not support them. He represent kharjee-ism in islam. This extreme school of thought remained active throughout history of islam damaging it relentlessly. Some of his views comprise supporting terrorism for the spread of islam, being against soofy-ism, supporting Yazid against Hussam (AS) potraying it a political conflict (supporting dictator ideology) and being against creation of Pakistan. So in my view he is doing more harm than good to islam. He should be banned and muslims should bycott his lectures. Can you imagin how his small organization is able to run two channels, who supports him financially?

[Jury]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...
hehehehehehehe
[hilar] [hilar] [hilar]
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:spTdtUFp6cvGgM:http://www.h4x3d.com/feat/themes/glass2.jpg
This Indian Dr. Zakir Naik invited,
a famous doctor, in 2008.
Dr Israr Ahmed from PAKISTAN.
Sooooooooooooo What
He is still indian.....
And it is not a compulsion to agree with him on all the things...
You got my point.

[ConcernedPakistani]

You got my point.

Your point is JUST to defend Altaf Hussain.

As i said before stop working for Altaf Hussain and think about working for Pakistan.
Be loyal to Pakistan not to Altaf Hussain. Just a friendly advice

[ConcernedPakistani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mMQbR_48IU&feature=related

[ConcernedPakistani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRWrfs5TcgU&feature=related

[Jury]

You got my point.
Your point is JUST to defend Altaf Hussain.
As i said before stop working for Altaf Hussain and think about working for Pakistan.
Be loyal to Pakistan not to Altaf Hussain. Just a friendly advice
Your problem is Altaf & MQM.
So many people are here, who have got the same thought like Altaf.
But, they don't be called QADYANI, RAW AGENT, ISRAELI AGENT, etc.

[ConcernedPakistani]

So many people are here, who have got the same thought like Altaf.
But, they don't be called QADYANI, RAW AGENT, ISRAELI AGENT, etc

I said


Who ever wants to go to India is more then welcome to go and live with them.

People who are against the partition and think that it was a blunder have the right to go to India and be loyal to the Indian government.

The choice is always there.

and,


People who believe that Partition was a blunder or was wrong DONT believe in Pakistan.

They say partition was wrong, partition was a blunder so creation of Pakistan was wrong. Anyone who doesnt believe in creation of Pakistan CAN NOT be loyal to Pakistan.

If someone has this point of view they have the choice to go to India and live according to their beliefs

and,


Well Sir, we have some people here in Pakistan who want to go to India and have requested India for this purpose. They think that Pakistan's creation was wrong or was a blunder. These people can be very useful for you.


Did i even mention your Mai Baap?

and i said ALL the people who dont believe in Pakistan's ideology have the choice to go to the country whose ideology was against partition i.e, India

[ConcernedPakistani]

Once again,



Your point is JUST to defend Altaf Hussain.

As i said before stop working for Altaf Hussain and think about working for Pakistan.
Be loyal to Pakistan not to Altaf Hussain. Just a friendly advice

[adonis_look]

Sorry body India is not an option for anyone who crossed the borde in 1947 .. yes persecuted hindus every now and then keep comign on pilgrimage and refuse to rerun and seek immigration on refugee ground and that is given due consideration but that's where story ends..


Well Sir, we have some people here in Pakistan who want to go to India and have requested India for this purpose. They think that Pakistan's creation was wrong or was a blunder. These people can be very useful for you.

Agaih you are wrong they think Ummah divided due to parititon was blunder but they certainly do not want to come to India.. This is purely yoour assertion..

As I said many people who look back think in those terms.. Even Jinnah Saheb himself at death bed expressed some concern over partition..

Maulan Madoodi was against partition..

Baadshah Khan was against partition and mind you in the milited plebiscite in NWFP where part like SWAT waziristan were nto included and even many part from the rest fop NWFP boycotted plebiscite. Still the difference in pro inid and pro pakistan votes were just 6000..

Anyone who underlines the reality you start shouting they should go to India and that's what I am countering.. many people realize their mistake but noonse is demanding to undo the mistake that's your fabrication..

[ConcernedPakistani]

Anyone who underlines the reality you start shouting they should go to India and that's what I am countering.. many people realize their mistake but noonse is demanding to undo the mistake that's your fabrication..




Good news for all the people who want to join India and something to work on.
These people have got some aim to work for now.
Work hard to ''undo the mistake''.

[ConcernedPakistani]

Whenever anyone sees any mistake, it has to be undone right?

So, people who do believe that partition was a mistake have a task at their hand, right?

[adonis_look]

You got my point.

Your point is JUST to defend Altaf Hussain.

As i said before stop working for Altaf Hussain and think about working for Pakistan.
Be loyal to Pakistan not to Altaf Hussain. Just a friendly advice


Altaaf Hussain remain only hope for Pakistan.. If workign poor middle class needs to be empowere MQM must be strengthened.. Otherwise the rule civilian and military landlord will continue

[ConcernedPakistani]

Altaaf Hussain remain only hope for Pakistan.. If workign poor middle class needs to be empowere MQM must be strengthened.. Otherwise the rule civilian and military landlord will continue



Well Mr. Adonis_look you said yourself that you have enough problems in India to worry about. So please worry about those and leave Pakistan alone. Pakistanis will decide what to do and who comes in power.

[Jury]

Whenever anyone sees any mistake, it has to be undone right?
So, people who do believe that partition was a mistake have a task at their hand, right?
You people have already redeemed 54% mistake by making
East Pakistan, an independent nation, with the name Bangladesh.

[ConcernedPakistani]

You people have already redeemed 54% mistake by making
East Pakistan, an independent nation, with the name Bangladesh.



Mr. Jury can you explain who is ''you people''?

I dont support any political party

Secondly, you are the one supporting people who think that partition was a mistake or partition was a blunder.

[Pakistani Lion]

You got my point.

Your point is JUST to defend Altaf Hussain.

As i said before stop working for Altaf Hussain and think about working for Pakistan.
Be loyal to Pakistan not to Altaf Hussain. Just a friendly advice


Altaaf Hussain remain only hope for Pakistan.. If workign poor middle class needs to be empowere MQM must be strengthened.. Otherwise the rule civilian and military landlord will continue

God please help!!!! We don't deserve this no matter how sinful we maybe....

[Jury]

Mr. Jury can you explain who is ''you people''?

I dont support any political party

Secondly, you are the one supporting people who think that partition was a mistake or partition was a blunder.
Fatway Baz

[ConcernedPakistani]

Fatway Baz



Which fatwa are you talking about?

If anyone says he or she doesnt believe in the ideology of Pakistan, he has the choice to go to India and live with the people who are against the partition concept i.e, India

Does he or she not have that choice? The word choice was mentioned.

[maliksum]

Altaaf Hussain remain only hope for Pakistan.. If workign poor middle class needs to be empowere MQM must be strengthened.. Otherwise the rule civilian and military landlord will continue[/quote]



What a hope!!! Altaf Hussain nominated Zardari for President of Pakistan and is responsible for this calamity on working poor middle class of Pakistan.

[Pakistani Lion]

@ Jury and the rest of the Indians, the bottom line is that Pakistan is a reality and there are lots of very sincere people who love it and are prepared to die for it and continue to do so. Bunch of poxy provokative posts like this will not change anything but only show frustration of few.

If you had what it takes you would have finished Pakistan a long time ago but the fact is you don't so pack it in!!!

[Jury]

@ Jury and the rest of the Indians, the bottom line is that Pakistan is a reality and there are lots of very sincere people who love it and are prepared to die for it and continue to do so. Bunch of poxy provokative posts like this will not change anything but only show frustration of few.

If you had what it takes you would have finished Pakistan a long time ago but the fact is you don't so pack it in!!!
100% Agreed!

[shrf390]

Did i even mention your Mai Baap?

and i said ALL the people who dont believe in Pakistan's ideology have the choice to go to the country whose ideology was against partition i.e, India

DR.NAIK IS AN INDIA AND PROUD INDIAN. BUT [altaf] IS BRITISH PASSPORT HOLDER BUT NAMKHARAM PAKISTANI LIK JURY. THIS DEFFRENCE BETWEEN DR.NAIK AND KALIM MATA [altaf] LEADER OF MUNFQEEN QATIL MOVMENT AND JURY :lol:

[furry87]

Logically speaking from ummah he is right.. India btw is much better off with partition.. It would have been all the more better if all the muslms who actually voted for Pakistan had moved to pakistan.. but anyway jo hua so hua..

Just imagine these mullah lobby holding India hostage over every little issues.. Ww would have seen many nonsense like Khilafat movement taking place in India..Had this whole part been one entity..

lol you killed them and didnt let them leave haha...u try walking 2000 miles whilst staying alive ..im sure you could do it too with a few bottles of cow urine haha...haha is it worship so suck the pee thru the cows lingum , lol just curious..

PS guys you have to understand where altaf was coming from , it was obviously a huge deal for them ...they lost their homes , their business and loved ones...some say a million people died ,that to me is a human catastrophy...lets stop this anti mqm agenda the people of pakistan are not idiots anymore if karachites want mqm to rule them then thats their problem...but please understand where they are coming from ...i personally think he said it cause of the loss of life and because he was entertaining the indian crowd in his own extremely weird way

[furry87]

Personally i really dont think MQM is doing itself any favors by having a fat *** like altaf who is a known murderer of hundreds...the sooner they distance themselves from altaf the better...plus hes a very bad spokesman ,its very hard for me to take him seriously...and altaf supporters please dont tell me that he hasnt been convicted or crap like that...my boss who was in the mqm at one point told me personal stories which i was shocked to hear ...key points he was in the MQM and is like 50 years old now

[Jury]

Personally i really dont think MQM is doing itself any favors by having a fat *** like altaf who is a known murderer of hundreds...the sooner they distance themselves from altaf the better...plus hes a very bad spokesman ,its very hard for me to take him seriously...and altaf supporters please dont tell me that he hasnt been convicted or crap like that...my boss who was in the mqm at one point told me personal stories which i was shocked to hear ...key points he was in the MQM and is like 50 years old now
You haven't mentioned,
Major Kaleem Case, Jinnah Pur, Hakeem Saeed Case.

[shagi]

'The creation of Pakistan was unique in the sense that it was based on the ideological commitments in the light of the religion Islam.
The term ‘ideology’ means science of ideas. It contains those ideas that a nation strives to accomplish in order to bring stability to its nationhood. The ideology grows amongst the dissatisfied group of society as a challenge to the prevailing social set up.


Pakistani ideology is based on the ideals of Islamic system and it was a reaction to the Hindu and British exploitation of the Muslims. It was a revolt against the prevailing system of India where the Hindu culture was forcibly imposed on the Muslims of sub-continent and their culture.
Pakistani ideology is based on the fact that the Muslims are a separate nation, having their own civilization, their own customs, their own culture, their own religion and a totally different way of life from Hindus. Muslims cannot be merged in any other nation because their philosophy of life is based on the principles of Islam. So, Muslims of India found it extremely difficult to spend their lives according to the principles of Islam in the United India. They were forced to demand a separate homeland to keep their religious as well as national identity.
Pakistan ideology was based on the ‘Two Nation Theory’, which meant that Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations and both nations are quite different from each other. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was the first Muslim leader who presented the idea of ‘Two Nation Theory’; he was the pioneer of the ‘Two Nation Theory’. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan first used the word ‘Two Nations’ for Hindus and Muslims. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was convinced by the hatred of Congress and Hindus towards the Muslims that both nations cannot stay unite in the single country and the future of the Muslims will safe only if they have their own separate country.
The Hindus and Muslims, in spite of living together for centuries could not forget their own individual cultures and civilizations and keep a distance from each other. They could not amalgamate in each other’s way of life to become one nation. The main reason for this difference between cultures, civilizations and lifestyle of Muslims and Hindus was the religion of Islam that cannot be merged in any other system. In Islam there is no one who could share the sovereignty of the Almighty God and to consider any one equal to God is the biggest sin. While, on the other hand Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods. This is the main difference between Hindus and Muslims, how a nation who believes in oneness of God lives together with a nation who believes in multiplicity of God.
There was a vast gulf of ideas between Hindus and Muslims, which could not be bridged.
As far as meaning and definition of Pakistan ideology is concerned, it basically means that Pakistan should be a state, where the Muslims should have an opportunity to live according to their faith and creed based on principles of Islam'.

Ref:eSSORTMENT

[Star Gazer]

How brave he is to critisize Pakistan and how Naive he pretends to be when he says "We would have been a bigger force and live harmoniously and happi;y" some harmony when the muslims are killed does he have the gumption to critisize india.Either he is nadaan dost or?
You see how the indian media is are still debating the creation of Pakistan this shows us beyond doubt that they have not accepted Pakistan as a seperate country and tryin to do evil against us whatever they say in the forum.Action speak louder than words.!

[adonis_look]

How brave he is to critisize Pakistan and how Naive he pretends to be when he says "We would have been a bigger force and live harmoniously and happi;y" some harmony when the muslims are killed does he have the gumption to critisize india.Either he is nadaan dost or?
You see how the indian media is are still debating the creation of Pakistan this shows us beyond doubt that they have not accepted Pakistan as a seperate country and tryin to do evil against us whatever they say in the forum.Action speak louder than words.!

Brother whichever way you look at muslims kileld by muslims in pakistan is far greater in number that riot death in india..

I am pretty sure pakistani army woudl not have bene allowed to butcher 3 million and rape countless in east pakistan had it been one entity.. there goes you muslim are being killed nonsense out fo window

[Pakistani Lion]

@ Jury and the rest of the Indians, the bottom line is that Pakistan is a reality and there are lots of very sincere people who love it and are prepared to die for it and continue to do so. Bunch of poxy provokative posts like this will not change anything but only show frustration of few.

If you had what it takes you would have finished Pakistan a long time ago but the fact is you don't so pack it in!!!
100% Agreed!

Funny how you didn't highlight the 'prepared to die for it' part...

[Typhoon]

The problem is that we people forget history. A united india was given a try between 1937 to 1939. In those two years it was a united india under congress.
Just buy any book which describes that period. For the first time in history the majority of hindus got power and how they used that power is a lesson for muslims, which should not be forgotten until our existense. A child who dont know about the fire, puts his finger in that only once, and never do it again. Once is enough. Next time a person wants to be touched by fire is only when he wants to commit suicide.

If Altaf ***** or Naik ***** have same vews on a historical incident then what? Do you think Naik is a scholar? Or do you think Altaf is a scholar? Naik is a showman and a "ratta" specialist only, and Altaf is a national criminal who is responsible for thousands of killings in Sindh. He has hi-jacked the most brilliant brains of urdu speaking people and paralised them. He has created a linguistic vote-bank.
Urdu speaking people who were the most educated and children of front figures in creation of Pakistan was lured into his net of lies. Just think if those brilliant brains all over the Pakistan could serve the nation widely and were not only closed into a party based only in two cities.

And please stop calling it partition. Because it was not partition but creation.
Partition word is used by the hindus who think that we are born out of them which is their propaganda.
We were not born out of them, we gave birth to india. Before muslim arrival in the sub-continent it was no india. Muslims made india and ruled india until the brits came.
According to the UN, in 1947 it was created two new countries, One called itself for Pakistan and the other choosed to call itself for India. M.A. Jinnah raised an objection to it and said that they have no right to use the name "india", because by doing this they are robbing the history of this continent, and its our history as well. Maybe more our then theirs.
It was two new countries, two new flags, two new constitutions, two new currencies, two new armies everything new.
SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU PPL EAT THAT INDIAN PROPAGANDA SHITT AND DO NOT USE YOUR SENSE WHEN USING THE SAME WORDS USED BY AKHAND BHARTIE, "PARTITION".

IT WAS CREATION OF PAKISTAN, NOT PARTITION. We and hindus have never been same nation.

[suhail380]

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Did Pakistani Muslims got Freedom?

Muslims of Pakistan never got real freedom. Before partition British Army ruled them. After partition, Pak Army took over. Now American generals ( Gen. Patreas & Gen Molen) are also ruling them.

Financially speaking, about 20% Pakistanis have benefited because of separate country. However, eighty percent of our population is living below poverty level, even under worse conditions than Indians.

Attn:ConcernedPakistani

your views on Dr. Zakir's comments about Karbala event are NOT valid. Coward Koofis wanted to make money with the presence of Imam Hussain (RA) in Koofa. Yazid never ordered the killing of Imam.Had he wished so, he could have done it in Damishq. He just wanted to avoid any uprising by Koofis against the central government. So, he ordered to bring Imam Hussain(RA) and his family safely back to Syria. Army was sent to avoid any resistance from the Koofis. However, Shimmer (mardood) did the killing by his own decision.

It is a great injustice of history holding Yazid as the culprit. I remain in touch with Wali-Ullahs. Through Kashful-Qaboor, they tell that Yazid is resting in peace in grave life. All the gheebat /bohtaan being carried against him, for centuries, is not justified. Anyone having capability of Kashful-Qaboor may verify it.

Pakistan's future:

In spiritual analysis, prophecy is NOt good for our country. American planes will bomb heavily on the population, industry and defence installations (e,g, Pak nukes). Millions of Pakistani muslims would face shahadat. It shall start the Ghazwa-tul-Hind as prophecised in the Hadiths. Muslims taking part in this ghazwa shall be sent to Jannah without Judgment on the Day of Qayamat as told by Holy Prophet (SAW).

- Allah knows better

-- :arrow:

[furry87]

Personally i really dont think MQM is doing itself any favors by having a fat *** like altaf who is a known murderer of hundreds...the sooner they distance themselves from altaf the better...plus hes a very bad spokesman ,its very hard for me to take him seriously...and altaf supporters please dont tell me that he hasnt been convicted or crap like that...my boss who was in the mqm at one point told me personal stories which i was shocked to hear ...key points he was in the MQM and is like 50 years old now
You haven't mentioned,
Major Kaleem Case, Jinnah Pur, Hakeem Saeed Case.

Lol you need to tell me that the other politicians are anything less than killers and murderers...1 wrong doesnt justify another wrong ...i agree with you if that was ur point but if you were defending a murder by saying o look us ne bhi kia hai to that is silly

[rahat]

The peoples who are still favouring India, they must leave Pakistan and go to India They deserve it as their beliefs is the same as the peoples living in India and claim to be Muslims.
Pakistan is a gift from the Allah to the Muslims and it is the reflection of the Sureh Al-Nisa, Ayat 97-98:


As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, "In what condition were you?". They replied, "We were weak and oppressed on earth". The Angels asked, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children who were unable to devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way

Pakistan will leave for ever and it is our duty to establish the true spirt of Quran in order to comply with the orders of Allah.

[Jury]

The peoples who are still favouring India, they must leave Pakistan and go to India They deserve it as their beliefs is the same as the peoples living in India and claim to be Muslims.
Pakistan is a gift from the Allah to the Muslims and it is the reflection of the Sureh Al-Nisa, Ayat 97-98:

No one is favoring India.
Here the discussion point is Partition.
Problem is, FATWAY BAZ. Who consider themselves,
champion of ISLAM & SON OF PAKISTAN.
Allama Iqbal wrote a poem,
?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?????
So, what about giving FATWA on Allama Iqbal.
Last year, Dr Israr went India on the invitation of Dr Zakir Naik.
It doesn't mean, both are doing conspiracies against Pakistan.

[rahat]

Jury,

You have not commented on the order of Allah given in Quran:


Verily! As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, "In what condition were you?". They replied, "We were weak and oppressed on earth". The Angels asked, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children who were unable to devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way

[Jury]

Jury,

You have not commented on the order of Allah given in Quran:


Verily! As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, "In what condition were you?". They replied, "We were weak and oppressed on earth". The Angels asked, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children who were unable to devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way
It means,
all those Muslims who didn't do migration will go to hell,
according to your interpretation of Quran.

[rahat]

jury,

Before commenting or objecting on the Quran's order, you must re-think again and again

[atensari]

Do not foret the role of Kuffies, who cheated Hazrat Hussain (R) - Kufi La Ufi (Kufi never made hispromis).

[Jury]

jury,
Before commenting or objecting on the Quran's order, you must re-think again and again
I've just asked you, that,
those who didn't come to Pakistan, will go to hell. But, you didn't give me reply.
Before interpreting Quran's order,
You must re-think again & again.

[rahat]

Instead of asking just read Quran, the order of ALLAH.
Quran is simple and logical and Allah sent it all the common peoples to understand. so each of us should read it carefully before asking, commenting or objecting anything.

[hulchal]

Dr Zakir Naik ki to majboori hay wahi jo India main rehnay walay her Muslim ki hay k wo Pakistan k baray main aisay khiyalaat ka izhaar ker k he wahaan reh saktay hain mager Altaf ki kiya majboori hay kiya wo bharat k tukroon per pal rahaa hay? aisa mumkin b hay k aisay ghadaroon say kuch b towaqoo ki jasakti hay.

[atensari]

Dr Zakir Naik ki to majboori hay wahi jo India main rehnay walay her Muslim ki hay k wo Pakistan k baray main aisay khiyalaat ka izhaar ker k he wahaan reh saktay hain mager Altaf ki kiya majboori hay kiya wo bharat k tukroon per pal rahaa hay? aisa mumkin b hay k aisay ghadaroon say kuch b towaqoo ki jasakti hay.

Altaf Hussain ke majbori hay uss nay UK main rahna hay, whaan rahany kaa kharcha woo to kya uss ka baap bhe nahi uta sakta. Anti-Pakistan elements to kuhs karkay hee un say pasay batoray ja saktay hain.

[Jury]

Dr Zakir Naik ki to majboori hay wahi jo India main rehnay walay her Muslim ki hay k wo Pakistan k baray main aisay khiyalaat ka izhaar ker k he wahaan reh saktay hain mager Altaf ki kiya majboori hay kiya wo bharat k tukroon per pal rahaa hay? aisa mumkin b hay k aisay ghadaroon say kuch b towaqoo ki jasakti hay.
What compulsion son of Allama Iqbal to say that,
Allama didn't give the idea of Pakistan.

[atensari]

What compulsion son of Allama Iqbal to say that,
Allama didn't give the idea of Pakistan

Technically Allama Iqbal did not used the word Pakistan - The name of the state. He gave the idea of Independent Muslim State, name was think later.

[Jury]

Technically Allama Iqbal did not used the word Pakistan - The name of the state. He gave the idea of Independent Muslim State, name was think later.
Independent state inside the India.

[atensari]

Technically Allama Iqbal did not used the word Pakistan - The name of the state. He gave the idea of Independent Muslim State, name was think later.
Independent state inside the India.

This was possible but cunning thinking of Hindu, made Quaid Azam realized Independent state in inside India will not solve the problem, Ghandi statement after accepting Cabnit Mission. "Who will let Pakistan free after 10 years".

[Jury]

Technically Allama Iqbal did not used the word Pakistan - The name of the state. He gave the idea of Independent Muslim State, name was think later.
Independent state inside the India.

This was possible but cunning thinking of Hindu, made Quaid Azam realized Independent state in inside India will not solve the problem, Ghandi statement after accepting Cabnit Mission. "Who will let Pakistan free after 10 years".
Yes, but, lot of people were thinking at that time, that,
leaders who are asking for Pakistan as an independent country are cunning.

[rahat]

There was no doudt in the minds of true muslims living in India about an independent country"named PAKISTAN". It can be visualized from the Quaid movement committement which generated the spirt of a Muslim home land. It is quite evident from the "23rd March 1940 resolution of pakistan at Maniar Pakistan lahore.
It was created to give the muslims a great gift from ALLAH. As mentioned in Quran, Allah benefiated the muslims to establish their power.
as it is created by Allah, who always saved pakistan from all the evils and enemies like Altaf (agents of hindues) and others.
It will remain and will be the stronghold of the entire muslims of the world by playing a vital role for which Allah created this great country.

[atensari]

[quote="Jurybut, lot of people were thinking at that time, that,
leaders who are asking for Pakistan as an independent country are cunning.[/quote]

Who are these "lot of people"?
Why they think "Leader who are asking Pakistan are cunning"?
Who were against Pakistan and are against Pakistan?

[Jury]

Who are these "lot of people"?
Why they think "Leader who are asking Pakistan are cunning"?
Who were against Pakistan and are against Pakistan?
One of those.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCCKqUGqEkM

[atensari]

Who are these "lot of people"?
Why they think "Leader who are asking Pakistan are cunning"?
Who were against Pakistan and are against Pakistan?
One of those.


One is not Lot, who are the remaining? You don't know or donot want to tell?

[rahat]

At the time of creation of Pakistan the world was looking a change in the political and economical system in all over the world and particularly, in Asia and Africa the struggle and movement for freedom and new socioeconomic relation was in its high spirit. Peoples power in Soviet Union getting strong and struggle in China for people's government was getting successes. In this background the Imperil powers of the world were not in favor in the creation of a new country and they fear it will be a success for the world movements. In this context they tried all their best to create hurdles in the movement of Pakistan. But it was a great vision of Quaid-E- Azam, who with all his hard working made it possible.
The struggle of Pakistan movement was actively participated by the different groups of Muslims in located in isolated parts having different culture and languages. It was clearly announce by the Muslim league about the future of the new federation and its composition. The formula for the peoples living other parts of India was agreed between the concerns powers for a one time migration rights to the peoples who opt it.
It was be also be mentioned that the majority of Urdu speaking groups were located in the other parts on India, which was not declared as a part of Pakistan, such as UP, CP, Bihar etc. They were benefited with the existing infrastructure on that regions and known as the educated class, whole got a considerable share in the government services and private services. There rivals were the majority Hindus who has developed the feeling of their overrepresentation. Their traditional trends were toward religious party's influenced by Saudi way of Islam. It was based on the strict view as they have contradiction with the Hindus on those regions. They were mostly having a great influence of Maulana Madoodadi, Maulana Madni, Maulana Azad etc who were not in favour in an independent country of Pakistan. In this view they were divided on the issue and many of them prefer to India. It was their fear about the survival of the new country.

On the other hand the Karachi in post independence era was the most developed City of the part of India declared as Pakistan. It was equipped with the tools of modern Town Planning and infrastructure for the development. All was contributed by the origin peoples of the city; mainly Parsi, Sindhi Hindus, Christen, Gugarti and other who were form the most part of the population at that time. There was no contradiction between these groups of Karachi and all were living in an atmosphere of brotherhood and were sincerely committed to a peace and respect for each other. The total population of the Karachi was well under half million at the time of independence.
The reason for selecting the Karachi as the capital of new country was the existing infrastructure of the city.

The migration process of 1947 revealed that there was a complete migration in the Punjab and Bangle and a considerable part of Sindhi (Hindus) from Karachi. There was Marginal migration of Urdu speaking peoples from the UP, CP, Bihar. Most of them prefer to the urban Sindh and particularly in Karachi. It is evident from the figure of 1951 record, which indicates the population of Karachi less then a million.

Now lets us consider the traditional cultural and difference in religious approaches of the other peoples of the country. The language difference was a contradiction mostly between Bengalis, Sindhs with the Urdu. The religious approach between the Punjab, Sindh in particular were. In Punjab and Sindh most of the Muslim population followed the traditional Sofism, which more related to the humanity in contradiction to the Urdu speaking majority following the religious approach of Saudia and their affiliated parties.
Their approach was accommodation which they demonstrated toward the immigrants in Punjab and Sindh. But when the circumstances changed then the sense of survivals developed in the deprived classes of the country against the Urdu speaking peoples.
The reasons mostly contributed the policies adopted after the death of Quaid-e-Azam and incapable of leadership of Muslim League.

In 1948 Urdu was instituted as the official national language of Pakistan even though only a pitifully small fraction of Pakistanis spoke the language. In the widely cited 1961 census results, it was reported that Urdu was the mother tongue of a mere 3.7% of all Pakistanis. The protest against the Urdu started in Bangal and the Language Movement began in 1948 and reached its climax in the killing of 21 February 1952, and ended in the adoption of Bangla as one of the state languages of Pakistan.
Since 1952, 21 February has been observed every year to commemorate the martyrs of the Language Movement. With UNESCO adopting a resolution on 17 November 1999 proclaiming 21 February as international mother language day. It is an honour bestowed by the international community on the Language Movement of Bengalis peoples.
It is a historical fact that the foundation of Bangladesh was laid in 1948 by the Urdu Language Bill by the Muslim League 1948.

[atensari]

Yes, but, lot of people were thinking at that time, that,
leaders who are asking for Pakistan as an independent country are cunning.

"lot of people" only has ONE count [hmmm]

[samar]

Islam k so called champion speaking against the creation of only state that was created in the name of Islam:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOq_c2SNrRU

[Janbazz]

zakir naik ko sialkot walon k hawalay kar dena chahiya (butter village walon k pass )
do chaar danday khanay k baad ye theek ho jayega ! :D

ya phir swat kai taliban k hawalay kar do isko , ulta lita kar iski chithrol karain gai woh :P jese os 17 sala bachi ki ki thi :P

[waheed316]

is Dr. bakray ko kuch pata hi nahi.. na deen ka na dunya ka....

[technocrats]

Zakir is absolutely right.....we are fighting with eachother and its approved you can not create a state on name of religion. Pakistan was created on name of Islam and see urself & ur comments. You are thinking very narrowly and if you think broadly, u will understand what he said

[sahiL]

i guess we need to look at ourselves first before we point fingers at this gr8 scholar who is working for "pure Islam" day n night
apka pata nahi but i love this guy.....the problem is....if u disagree with someone over something then u got to have a "proof".....
so prove him wrong.......

[wadaich]

All the icons for the Muslim Ummah who are a danger to the Dajjali forces are under attack. Innocent people among us succumb to the propa****a of the Yahood-o-Nisaara and start playing their game by defaming the honorable Ummah Icons. But the defaming strategies don't work. Allah has HIS plans. The representatives of evil forces cannot win. The people like Hamid Gull, Zaid Hamid, Dr. Israr, Dr. Zakir etc are under the protection of Allah (SWT). Jo bhi Aasman per thokay ga us ka apna munh......................

[Truthlover]

Dr. Zakir has the right to have an opinion about partition even though I think he is completely wrong.
The creation of Pakistan opened the new doors of opertunities for Muslims, which might have never been there in united India, dominated by bigot Hindu majority.
India has almost 150 million Muslims, just name ten known names in any field!
The narrow-minded Hindu state is secular only in papers.

[abeypk]

he is self claimed scholor, a person who is feed by zoinists and anti islam, he is there to spread haterd among muslims, he and his family all dramabaz.

[Chaudhry_1960]

Dr. Zakir has the right to have an opinion about partition even though I think he is completely wrong.
The creation of Pakistan opened the new doors of opertunities for Muslims, which might have never been there in united India, dominated by bigot Hindu majority.


Yes, everyone has a right to their opinion. The creation of Pakistan opened new doors of opportunities for only rich muslim feudal, corrupt Muslim bureaucrats, politicians and army but very few opportunities for common middle class and poor muslims which is why Pakistan is today in a state where corrupt politicians can drown hundreds of villages to save their agricultural land with the help of corrupt bureaucrats and easily get away with it while a common man is hardly surviving. No need to talk about corrupt cricketers. Very unfortunate.

[Night-Hawk]

Zaakir Naik sahib has all the right to say that. After all he is an Indian citizen and a patriotic muslim loyal to India. Saray musalman altaf ghaddar ki tarah to nahin hotay keh khaain apnay mulk ka aur balaain dushman mulk ki lain.

[Truthlover]

Yes, everyone has a right to their opinion. The creation of Pakistan opened new doors of opportunities for only rich muslim feudal, corrupt Muslim bureaucrats, politicians and army but very few opportunities for common middle class and poor muslims which is why Pakistan is today in a state where corrupt politicians can drown hundreds of villages to save their agricultural land with the help of corrupt bureaucrats and easily get away with it while a common man is hardly surviving. No need to talk about corrupt cricketers. Very unfortunate.

I agree with you that this state has been hijacked by these criminals from the very beginning and yet I am happy that we have a country of our own, where we can live without religious opperession. These leeches can be taken care of by educating the grey masses, by raising their levels of consciousness. Once we rid off these Pakistan will have a glorious future.

[B Unit]

Its his own thought. He can say whatever he want to say. I think we all know it would have been better economically and politically if these two countries stayed together.I think religiously it was the good decision. Otherwise we will be still killing each other.

[masadi1980]

I respect him so, as he is a good Muslim Scholor serving Islam.
But on this point let me say, he is more than wrong or stupid. I think he is just playing diplomatically on above video. How could he ignored Gujrat riots and other likewise incidents against Muslims there??

Pakistan is a Muslim country no doubt about that. As far as current situation is concerned Pakistan itself or Islam is not responsible. These are we or politicians, who are responsible for that.
Take any single muslim country which you considered as a best Muslim State, Saudia Arabia???? Dubai???? Egypt??? Turkey??? .......................
Yes ofcourse there is only Pakistan where you can see full practice of Islam except few %age.

Thora nam ho to yeh matti bari zarkhaiz hai saaqi

I believe thora matti ko nam honay do yehi log khud kahain gain k Pakistan Islam ka Qila hai.

[Kashf]

Thank God!!!! we got country called Pakistan, May Allah enlighten him with more knowledge...........
These are the same views and represent same school of thought expressed during partition time when Founder, father of the nation, great Jinnah was being portrayed as infidel etc, so we can just pray for these people.

[biomat]

Salam
Night Hawk bhai dukhti rug per hath na rakho yaar.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azaad had similare thoughts thats why he disagreed. You have to have your opinion, he is not forcing you to follow his ideology & unit India & Pakistan. But what about our leaders who are trying it undercover to unite India & Pakistan to fight against China. You know which political parties are in favour of this merger, & which power is trying to fulfill it.
I think i myself proud to be pakistani, my parents & grand parents migrated to Pakistan without asking their rights & left all belongings in India & some relatives also.
Again this is my thinking every one has right to agree or disagree with me & similarly with Dr Zakir Naik. May ALLAH give Dr Zakir reward for his service of Dawat of Islam.

[Night-Hawk]

Salam
Night Hawk bhai dukhti rug per hath na rakho yaar.

yaar baat to aap ne theek ki hai ---- mera kai dafa dil karta hai keh eid tak chup rahoon --- lekin phir koi sar phira peer ka mureed aa kar dukhti rag aagay kar deta hai --- mein koshish karoon ga keh avoid karoon.

[wadaich]

yaar baat to aap ne theek ki hai ---- mera kai dafa dil karta hai keh eid tak chup rahoon --- lekin phir koi sar phira peer ka mureed aa kar dukhti rag aagay kar deta hai --- mein koshish karoon ga keh avoid karoon.

Yar yeh dukhti rag zara kahein rakhwa do EID aasaani say guzr jaayaae gi.

[wadaich]

Dr. Zakir ka kaam itna qabil-e-Akhtramm hay keh is tarah ka aik aadh remarks muaaf kar diya jana chahiyaee.

[Night-Hawk]

Yar yeh dukhti rag zara kahein rakhwa do EID aasaani say guzr jaayaae gi.

اصل میں مجھ سے ایک غلطی ہوئی ہے اور وہ یہ کہ میں پچھلی کچھ پوسٹوں میں ایم کیو ایم والوں کے ایک اہم ممبر کا پول کھول چکا ہوں اور وہ میں نے ثبوت سمیت پوسٹ کر دیا ہے --- اب یہ لوگ مجھے جان بوجھ کر طیش دلا کر بین کروانا چاہتے ہیں --- ایک دو ننھے منے وفادار جانور انہوں نے مجھ پر چھوڑے ہوے ہیں ---- ساری گیم برداشت کی ہے -- شائد میں برداشت کر جاؤں

[jagga9]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

hehehehehehehe

Sharam kero . zakir is indian and altaf is british. altaf can be a gud indian he will give u a surprise very soon

[samar]

why my thread about zakir naik speaking against independence of pakistan has been deleted. twice.

If someone speaks against barelvis its OK even the moderators upload such sectarian hatred based threads
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly

and even posts like this spreading hatred are not deleted because they target barelvis
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly&p=227387&viewfull=1#post227387

but if wahabi is caught speaking against independence of pakistan why the tread is deleted.why????????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOq_c2SNrRU

why this thread was deleted twice by commander

It has nothing to do with sectarianism it shows the views of a so called scholar about our beloved country.

why the moderator deleted this thread????????[/COLOR]

[Nice2MU]

Ya some time they do, without any sensible reason.

[reliable]

they delete what they donot like

[Knowledge Seeker]

If someone speaks against barelvis its OK even the moderators upload such sectarian hatred based threads
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly

and even posts like this spreading hatred are not deleted because they target barelvis
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly&p=227387&viewfull=1#post227387

Honestly, I never expected this kind of irresponsible action on this forum and I also got shocked after seeing the above mentioned thread created by moderator.

[root]

Expect a detailed answer from commander. He will explain you all what exactly happen.

[mannews66]

What Dr Naik said is plausible. Pakistan is not sacred. The word Pakistan does not appear in the Quran, The Prophet Muhammad (saw) despite popular belief did not wear pakistani clothes (or was of Pakistan) and also despite popular belief Muhammad Ali Jinnah is not comparable to Prophet Muhammad (saw).


Every Arab country after its so called independence from colonialism where puppets rulers were installed have similar fictional stories surrounding their birth leader but in fact this was by design of the enemies of Islam.

Durrand Line border was not drawn up by Muhammad Ali Jinnah nor any other Pakistani. It was drawn up by British "Sir" Mortimer Durrand and he deliberately drew up the NWFP border with Afghanistan to split up the Pushtoon tribes, however as the insurgency of Taliban has spilt into pakistan, this conspiracy has failed (may the enemy of Islam never rest easily in his grave).


Also another note,, there is no point saying this now 60 years after it happened. It did have few positive effects but they lasted only about 10 years or so (well not all some positive effects last till date) but nevertheless they have some positive. People of both Pakistan need to realise that we are living in the age of the new British and American Raj but this time his name is like Zardari or Shariff and Altaf Hussain.

[Night_Hawk]

Expect a detailed answer from commander. He will explain you all what exactly happen.
When something is deleted I would recommend a detail reason should be given.

[Pragmatic]

ہم نہ کہتے تھے نام مذہب جو یہ ملک لو گے تم

دین کو بھلا کے مسلک کو پوجو گے تم

[147258]

Logically speaking from ummah he is right.. India btw is much better off with partition.. It would have been all the more better if all the muslms who actually voted for Pakistan had moved to pakistan.. but anyway jo hua so hua..

Just imagine these mullah lobby holding India hostage over every little issues.. Ww would have seen many nonsense like Khilafat movement taking place in India..Had this whole part been one entity..

Brother, i would requestyou to go study the two nation theory again please. in terms economics we might have been better, in politics may be and there might have been other benefits too but it is the ideology that matters. we are the only islamic state in the world. A country made in the name of God.

[qasim845]

Here they only the need the supporter of IK ideology.

[khanlala]

what would have been the name of the country. Hindustan. means the country with a majority of Hindus. so they must have been ruling. we hear many times muslims are not treated well. they havent got the deserved number of seats in parliment. they cant practice islam that freely. in india you have to agree with the hindus or you are busted.

[khanlala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCnHJA3U8o&feature=related

[khanlala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjqoVF_W6r4&feature=related

i think this very much clarifies the indian muslims. they suffer but they dont say anything. infact they cant say anything. they open their mouth and they are busted.

peace

[sarbakaf]

Zakir naik is religious person not a politician or public representative
his religious view may matter...political doesnt ...secondly he is not historian to know the need of that time.....he is at mistake.....surely he forgot gujrat which will be an independent state soon....
Hindustani army is gathering their weapons...i.e toilet tissues and pots

[masadi1980]

why my thread about zakir naik speaking against independence of pakistan has been deleted. twice.

If someone speaks against barelvis its OK even the moderators upload such sectarian hatred based threads
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly

and even posts like this spreading hatred are not deleted because they target barelvis
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly&p=227387&viewfull=1#post227387

but if wahabi is caught speaking against independence of pakistan why the tread is deleted.why????????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOq_c2SNrRU

why this thread was deleted twice by commander

It has nothing to do with sectarianism it shows the views of a so called scholar about our beloved country.

why the moderator deleted this thread????????[/COLOR]

Although i didnt like his views in your post mentioned above, but i think it wasnt too bad than thread posted by Abbasi. It was very straight and Abbasi was keep defending himself.

I dont know what criteria they follow. They also deleted mine some and i replied that

"Delete whatever you want, but dont notify me, just go ahead".

[cokee]

This is a pakistani site and we really dny want to hear any anti pakistan post. If moderator hve deleted tu bahutt acha kiya hai. Way to go moderator

[psycho1]

Yar kuch Allah ka khoof karoo, laaantiiii na banooo. KIder Zakri naik oor kider Alataf husann a crimanls. there is difference like sky and earth between both. Zakir naik is a great person of muslim uhmah. he is lovely man with great knowlge from Allah alimight. while alataf husamn a crimanl idot. why u try to comapre both. what a shamee.

Jo nation achay ooor bory mian tameez nahi karti wo kabi be theek nahi hostakti. loook this is a mental state of you pple. how would u bring about the change look at the status of your mentality. u pple camparing a great zakir naik with **** person a ruber and killer. wow

[YAHYA87]

Brother, i would requestyou to go study the two nation theory again please. in terms economics we might have been better, in politics may be and there might have been other benefits too but it is the ideology that matters. we are the only islamic state in the world. A country made in the name of God.
Two Nation Theory Talks about Muslims of SUBCONTINENT not just Muslims of Bangal, Punjab, Sindh and KPK it was all about SUBCONTINENT and Sir Syed Ahmad Khan said Hindus and Muslims are Two Saparate Nationalities but I dont think he said anything about they cant live together cause they had been living together since few Centuries....But anyways its a story of Past and now we have other things to take care of but one thing is for sure that This Ideology thing cant work when we talk about Pakistan cause now Pakistan ITSELF has got rid of its Ideology Long time ago and now we are just ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY....Israel is Encouraging Jews to stay in Israel cause its their Ideology but we Pakistan arent even Accepting Stranded Pakistani cause we have Ethnic issues in Pakistan so this Islamic ideology is useless argument...

[atensari]

Dr Zakir Naik wants to establish Khalafa, do Altaf Hussain too?
Any other similarity between these two?

[babadeena]

Israel is Encouraging Jews to stay in Israel cause its their Ideology but we Pakistan arent even Accepting Stranded Pakistani cause we have Ethnic issues in Pakistan so this Islamic ideology is useless argument... In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your pain towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.

[Jury]

In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your paid towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.
Think some thing new.
It is obsolete allegation. Even this was tested in courts in country and abroad.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/44690/an...killings-held/ (http://tribune.com.pk/story/44690/anp-worker-accused-of-target-killings-held/)

http://tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ANP1-640x480.jpg



ANP worker accused of target killings held


LAHORE: A suspect allegedly involved in the murders of two police officials and other target killing incidents in Karachi was arrested from Lahore.
According to the Lahore police, the suspect, 50-year-old Raj Muhammad Khan, is a member of the Awami National Party (ANP). He originally hails from Mansehra but had been settled in Karachi for several years.
He is allegedly involved in several incidents of target killings and is also accused of being in the drugs business. Khan has been accused of killing an ASI and a constable in Keamari, Karachi on August 8. The Karachi police had informed their counterparts in Lahore that Raju was currently in their city. He was hiding in Nishter Colony at his sister’s house and was keeping in touch with his accomplices in Karachi through his mobile phone. As a result, the Nishter Colony police carried out a raid, headed by SHO Munawer Dogar, at a house belonging to the suspect’s sister, Haji Bibi, at Ferozepur Road, from where they arrested him.
Raju was wanted by the police for the murder of ASI Ghulam Abbas and Constable Talib Hussain. Other suspects wanted for the murder are Niaz Muhammad, Mukhtiar alias Baba, Shahid, Salman Khan and three other unidentified persons. These suspects were named in an FIR, filed by the Jackson SHO.
After the attack on police officials on August 8, Raju escaped to Lahore. He was traced with the help of mobile surveillance by the law-enforcement agencies. He had been released on bail from jail a few months ago.
A police party has been dispatched from Karachi to take custody of the suspect, who is currently detained at Nishter Colony police station.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2010.



http://a.yfrog.com/img401/6179/ywkq.jpg

[babadeena]

@Jury,

ANP is nowhere nearer to those "sources", "privileges" and "INNs" which MQM, ejoyed and still enjoy to portray whatever it wishes to portray. When whole of Ministry of Interior, Governorship, Shippings and last but not least "Information, media" is in the pocket of MQM, a way to go!!!!!

[Waseem]

why my thread about zakir naik speaking against independence of pakistan has been deleted. twice.

If someone speaks against barelvis its OK even the moderators upload such sectarian hatred based threads
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly

and even posts like this spreading hatred are not deleted because they target barelvis
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42922-Pakistan-not-a-Muslim-country-I-believe-this-Scholar-has-explained-it-very-correctly&p=227387&viewfull=1#post227387

but if wahabi is caught speaking against independence of pakistan why the tread is deleted.why????????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOq_c2SNrRU

why this thread was deleted twice by commander

It has nothing to do with sectarianism it shows the views of a so called scholar about our beloved country.

why the moderator deleted this thread????????[/COLOR]

Dear Samar, I don't think there was anything difficult for you to understand in notification, I clearly mentioned that your video has been merged with already existing thread, and also sent you the link of the thread. There is no point discussing one topic in different threads, that's why we merge them. Just follow the link and see your video at page 4, post # 70.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?31188-Dr-Zakir-Naik-amp-Altaf-Hussain-Same-Thought-About-Partition/page4

Next time If you don't see your thread, please check My Post in Forum Tools option.

Regards.

[biomat]

Salam
Commander bhai all that thread was due to thread merger. Oh man, what a fuss. When my posts were merged in beginning, i complained to abbasi bhai then to you & gave suggestion that there should be some message reporting about the removal or merger of post. Thanks to Abbasi bhai, Commander bhai & all other mods that they accepted & applied that. Jaza-k-ALLAH. Keep it up.

[abbasiali]

Although i didnt like his views in your post mentioned above, but i think it wasnt too bad than thread posted by Abbasi. It was very straight and Abbasi was keep defending himself.

I dont know what criteria they follow. They also deleted mine some and i replied that

"Delete whatever you want, but dont notify me, just go ahead".
Dear masadi

I am not defending anything, Only I ask you all who are against that video, just simply say, what ever has been mentioned in that video is not correct, instead of replying the logic, you all have started creating sectarian issue, making controversy about personal character of mine, tell me did I say a single word about any of you, though I got lot of garbage.

My concern in that video was very clear, and it will remain same, my only request please start facing truth. nothing more than that.

[Jury]

@Jury,

ANP is nowhere nearer to those "sources", "privileges" and "INNs" which MQM, ejoyed and still enjoy to portray whatever it wishes to portray. When whole of Ministry of Interior, Governorship, Shippings and last but not least "Information, media" is in the pocket of MQM, a way to go!!!!!
Only there voters are not, but leadership of ANP in KPK and Karachi are.
And it is because of there design not because of fate.
Not only in KPK, but also in Interior Sind, Baluchistan, Interior Punjab.
All the leader ships even ban organization travel on LAND CRUISER.

MQM is the only party who by the grace of God, grows not only in opposition but also in Govt. This is a great thing about MQM.

[karachilover]

mere bhai kahan Zakir Naik kahan Altaf Hussain
Zakir Naik is Angel and Altaf Hussain is Devil

[babadeena]

[/COLOR]
Only there voters are not, but leadership of ANP in KPK and Karachi are.
And it is because of there design not because of fate.
Not only in KPK, but also in Interior Sind, Baluchistan, Interior Punjab.
All the leader ships even ban organization travel on LAND CRUISER.

MQM is the only party who by the grace of God, grows not only in opposition but also in Govt. This is a great thing about MQM.[/COLOR]
Please read my post again, perhaps u will better understand what I meant?

[jootaymaro]

How illogical people can be ... Let say if there was no partition then the entire population of Pakistan will also be suffering like Indian Muslims and deprived of all the rights they have being in Pakistan.
What force these both idiots are talking about and what unity?There are almost 200 Million Muslims in India, is that not enough big force of people to fight for their rights and if they get united. And for this idiot Altaf him and his party cannot even tolerate people from other provinces in their so called country ( I mean Karachi) and he talking about unity and power.
These 2 dumb and dumber talking about intellect and philosophy which sound good in interviews but have they done nothing practical other than one hiding in London away from any Muslim of India or Pakistan and Dr Niak is also religiously confused . If he was that good how come he hasn't been able to unite Muslims in India start a revolution.
Can someone tell me what both of these so called philosophers has contributed to bring the Muslims of both countries together . Let me guess nothing , nada, zero, zip 30 some odd years of Altaf Politcal life contributed to only hatred and remember he did his politics not on the basis of unity but on the basis of Mohajirism and only Urdu speaking one.)
I wish people can open their eyes and can see the difference between reality and drama.
Pakistan is a Miracle and it is the best thing ever happen to the Muslims of subcontinent , unfortunately the people are suffering not because of Independence but because of people like these so called political and religious leaders who are simply cashing their politics and religious knowledge.
And I cannot agree to any idiot who somehow try to blemish the sacrifices of millions during partition.

[cokee]

[QUOTE=commander;228972]Dear Samar, I don't think there was anything difficult for you to understand in notification, I clearly mentioned that your video has been merged with already existing thread, and also sent you the link of the thread. There is no point discussing one topic in different threads, that's why we merge them. Just follow the link and see your video at page 4, post # 70.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?31188-Dr-Zakir-Naik-amp-Altaf-Hussain-Same-Thought-About-Partition/page4

Next time If you don't see your thread, please check My Post in Forum Tools option.

Regards.

lol

[masadi1980]

Dear masadi

I am not defending anything, Only I ask you all who are against that video, just simply say, what ever has been mentioned in that video is not correct, instead of replying the logic, you all have started creating sectarian issue, making controversy about personal character of mine, tell me did I say a single word about any of you, though I got lot of garbage.

My concern in that video was very clear, and it will remain same, my only request please start facing truth. nothing more than that.

Abbasi bhai,
He was right and everybody knows about that kind of marriages but my concern is one couldnt make such view as you wrote " Pakistan is not an Islamic Country" by looking at few %age of Elite who dose that.
Anyway i respect you a lot and sorry if i said something in personal.
Sorry again Abbasi Bhai.

[Abher]

I, being a Pakistani, give a damn to his opinion about the creation of GREAT PAKISTAN.... When people say that, the situation of Indian Muslims is better than the people of Pakistan, it makes me laugh... One must remember that 2 years ago, Pakistan was among the 11 fastest growing economies (Within the developing countries)... We have a bad time right now, but it does not mean that it will go on like this... It will be over soon inshaAllah and we will again be on the path of rapid growth...

GOD bless PAKISTAN.... PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

[Abher]

With all due respect, Altaf or his family was not alone who migrated ......... my family was migrated from indian to Pakistan... My Grand father was killed on his way and my father became orphan even before his birth... My family was well off there but when they arrived here, they lost everything.. but it does not mean that you start talking like this.... Those sacrifices were for a purpose.... By saying that Pakistan was a mistake, we are denying the sacrifices of all those SHAHEEDS....


lol you killed them and didnt let them leave haha...u try walking 2000 miles whilst staying alive ..im sure you could do it too with a few bottles of cow urine haha...haha is it worship so suck the pee thru the cows lingum , lol just curious..

PS guys you have to understand where altaf was coming from , it was obviously a huge deal for them ...they lost their homes , their business and loved ones...some say a million people died ,that to me is a human catastrophy...lets stop this anti mqm agenda the people of pakistan are not idiots anymore if karachites want mqm to rule them then thats their problem...but please understand where they are coming from ...i personally think he said it cause of the loss of life and because he was entertaining the indian crowd in his own extremely weird way

[rakeem]

Partition was a great opportunity which we have lost. India immediately after partition initiated land reform, by first bribing their princes with huge pension from Indian govt. then threw their maharajas, and confiscated their estate. Pakistan is still practicing status quo draconian aristocratic law with the same feudal players calling the shots. What has Pakistan gained after its independence, it has lost parts of its country as well as is going towards total destruction as a failed state. Economically, politically backward sitting on huge resources but unable to use it for their own benefit. No respect outside the country and no respect for each other more divided then united in different classes, ethnicities, sects, languages.
Giving so much time to bash an individual for speaking his mind if we have tried to spend this much in our own country, instead of surrendering to the feudals. If we were a nation we should've be talking about future not scrutinizing from where did the rot started. No need to waste ourselves about a comment from a politician instead try to improve of what we have.

[nasir ahmed]

***** on both pieces of **** how many muslims were salughtered for this country and two holes say it was wrong it was made by the will of Allah not two indians

[patriot]

I do understand Zakir Naik's views about creation of Pakistan.
Maybe he is thinking about so many lost sheep that could have been his.

[YAHYA87]

In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your pain towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.
So if it is then how does this make them NON PAKISTANI????Whatever might be my concern but since we are talking about Ideology so wasnt our IDEOLOGY suppose to TALK ABOUT THEIR RETURN????Vote Bank or not but that Pakistan Ideology is under discussion here so dont match POLITICS FROM IDEOLOGY....

[bankalalookheti]

In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your pain towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.

Exactly, they will come here and like their brethren, who came in the 70, will fight with every ethnic group in Orangi. Pakistan, especially Sindh, cannot afford another wave of Bihari immigrants from India or Bangladesh. Those Biharis in Bangladesh should be clearly told that now you are a citizen of Bangladesh, be thankful and unlike your brethren in Orangi, live peacefully with your other Bangladeshi countrymen.

[jootaymaro]

Must read the comment posted with this video in youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjaFn1gLHOY

[GeoG]

ہڈی گلے میں بری طرح پھنس گئی ہے
نہ نکلے گی نہ اگلی جا سکے گی

الطاف حسین کا گانوں کا اگلا والیم تو کافی سریلا ہو گا

[Night-Hawk]

I am very much amazed by the thought-provoking analysis of Brother [Jootaymaro]. However I beg to differ on certain points. Altaf's proposition of united India and Zakir Naik's stance are poles apart. Little did our thread starter realize that Altaf in his very essence is fasaad fil ard, hell bent on dividing the Muslims (Muslims of Pakistan in his case), while talking about the the whole Muslims of India ---- it is ridiculous. The one whose whole ideology rests on segregating the muslims on ethnolinguistic lines, is talking about the whole muslims of India --- something beyond my comprehension. Zakir Naik on the other hand is representing an Indian stance on the division of subcontinent. This is quite conceivable and a muslim being loyal citizen of the state must be in tune with the official standpoint of the Indian government. It would be imprudent to expect from a person like Zakir Naik to express approval of the partition for two basic reasons ;

1- He is one of the leading muslim scholars in India and his statement in favour of partition would have caused a significant backlash on Muslims in India. He will never usher a statement which portrays or insinuates something opposite to the Indian national sentiments. Hats off to his patriotism.

2- A vast majority of Indian muslims still thinks that division of the subcontinent has actually harmed them. They hold the curse of partition responsible for the oppression and poverty of Indian Muslims. Although Hindu intellectuals are of the view that majority of the well off families left for Pakistan.

Partition, the way it was conceived was not meant for complete segregation of Muslim and Hindu communities into two different countries. The actual plan was to unite muslim majority provinces into a separate state to safeguard the interests of those areas and also to initiate a long awaited Muslim renaissance in a Muslim autonomous region (which would have otherwise been impossible in united India). However the way things unfolded was quite contrary to the actual notion. Stronger urge for Pakistan emerged in those areas where Muslims felt threatened from surrounding Hindu majority. Similarly another big blow was division of Punjab and Bengal. Punjab and Bengal provinces with Muslim majorities were geographically unmitigated entities. Quaid-e-Azam's philosophy was not to divide these provinces and he was also against major demographic shift. In order to stop the division of aforementioned provinces he urged Hindus and Sikhs to remain in Punjab and Bengali Hindus to remain in East Pakistan so that the whole provinces fall with in Pakistan. He tried his best to persuade Master Tara Singh and other Congressmen but to no avail. The major partition trauma which led to forced evacuation and slaughtering of Hindus and Muslims from either sides, was due to stubbornness of Congress leaders. Had there been no partition of Punjab there would have been no dispute over Kashmir.

[YAHYA87]

Exactly, they will come here and like their brethren, who came in the 70, will fight with every ethnic group in Orangi. Pakistan, especially Sindh, cannot afford another wave of Bihari immigrants from India or Bangladesh. Those Biharis in Bangladesh should be clearly told that now you are a citizen of Bangladesh, be thankful and unlike your brethren in Orangi, live peacefully with your other Bangladeshi countrymen.
So then why Bother Calling Pakistan an IDEOLOGICAL STATE?????When Pakistan isnt even True to its own Ideology then why Even call Pakistan An Ideological country???Till their return Pakistan would be called ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY cause the country which cant even TRUE to ITS CREATION then what else should that Country be called???BTW Karachi is not the Only place where WHOLE PAKISTAN CAN DUMP ANY REFUGEES their is a Big Brother Punjab also there to BEAR SOME BURDEN if Sindh have Problems then...BTW do you Expect them to live PEACEFULLY in Awaami League Govt. which they OPPOSED with PASSION at Fall of Dhaka???They arent even Declare citrizens of Bangladesh cause they dont speak bangali as their First Language so they dont have any Future there but their real FUTURE is Pakistan....

[Night-Hawk]

THE SLOGAN OF TWO-NATION THEORY WAS RAISED TO DECEIVE THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION MUSLIMS OF THE SUBCONTINENT – ALTAF HUSSAIN

I have few queries --- deception to Muslims by whom? Who raised this slogan and who propagated this slogan? And of which timeline he and his disciples are talking about? Pre-partition or post-partition? Because the slogan was raised before partition. If this idea has proved wrong afterwards then why he is doubting the intentions of the pioneers of freedom?

[YAHYA87]

THE SLOGAN OF TWO-NATION THEORY WAS RAISED TO DECEIVE THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION MUSLIMS OF THE SUBCONTINENT – ALTAF HUSSAIN

I have few queries --- deception to Muslims by whom? Who raised this slogan and who propagated this slogan? And of which timeline he and his disciples are talking about? Pre-partition or post-partition? Because the slogan was raised before partition. If this idea has proved wrong afterwards then why he is doubting the intentions of the pioneers of freedom?
Post Partition Pakistan is relally looks like a big Deception from Two Nation Theory cause today's Pakistan cant REFLECT any Two Nation Theory at all...Two Nation Theory was about Whole Indian Subcontinent while Pakistan is now become all about Few States of Indian Subcontinent....So on what basis Today's Pakistan could be Considered as TWO NATION THEORY????

[Night-Hawk]

Post Partition Pakistan is relally looks like a big Deception from Two Nation Theory cause today's Pakistan cant REFLECT any Two Nation Theory at all...Two Nation Theory was about Whole Indian Subcontinent while Pakistan is now become all about Few States of Indian Subcontinent....So on what basis Today's Pakistan could be Considered as TWO NATION THEORY????

Is this an answer to my question? Please ask your seniors to quench the intellectual and philosophical thirst of Pakistanis after reading the "philosophical statement" of your British-Indian leader.

[YAHYA87]

Is this an answer to my question? Please ask your seniors to quench the intellectual and philosophical thirst of Pakistanis after reading the "philosophical statement" of your British-Indian leader.
British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

[mehwish_ali]

I am very much amazed by the thought-provoking analysis of Brother [Jootaymaro]. However I beg to differ on certain points. Altaf's proposition of united India and Zakir Naik's stance are poles apart. Little did our thread starter realize that Altaf in his very essence is fasaad fil ard, hell bent on dividing the Muslims (Muslims of Pakistan in his case), while talking about the the whole Muslims of India ---- it is ridiculous. The one whose whole ideology rests on segregating the muslims on ethnolinguistic lines, is talking about the whole muslims of India --- something beyond my comprehension. Zakir Naik on the other hand is representing an Indian stance on the division of subcontinent. This is quite conceivable and a muslim being loyal citizen of the state must be in tune with the official standpoint of the Indian government. It would be imprudent to expect from a person like Zakir Naik to express approval of the partition for two basic reasons ;

1- He is one of the leading muslim scholars in India and his statement in favour of partition would have caused a significant backlash on Muslims in India. He will never usher a statement which portrays or insinuates something opposite to the Indian national sentiments. Hats off to his patriotism.

2- A vast majority of Indian muslims still thinks that division of the subcontinent has actually harmed them. They hold the curse of partition responsible for the oppression and poverty of Indian Muslims. Although Hindu intellectuals are of the view that majority of the well off families left for Pakistan.


پتا نہیں آپ کونسے چشمے سے چیزوں کو دیکھتے ہیں کہ "ایک ہی کہی گئی بات " کو گھما پھرا کر ایک شخص کے لیے گناہ عظیم بنا دیتے ہیں، جبکہ دوسرے فریق کے لیے باعث افتخار۔ مداری پن کا یہ کرشمہ ہے تو غلط، مگر اپنی مثال آپ ہے۔

آپ کا دعوی یہ ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے یہ بات صرف اس لیے کہہ دی ہے کیونکہ وہ ہندوؤں سے "تقیہ" کر رہا ہے ورنہ وہ بھی تقسیم پاکستان کے حق میں ہے؟

تو میں آپ کو مشورہ دوں گی کہ آپ انڈیا کے سینکڑوں ہزاروں مسلمانوں سے پرائیویٹ میں مل لیں اور وہ آپ کو پرائیویٹ میں بھی یہ کہتے نظر آئیں گے کہ تقسیم پاکستان ایک غلطی تھا (اُنکی لاجک کے مطابق) حالانکہ انہی انڈین مسلمانوں کی پرانی نسلوں نے پاکستان بنانے کے لیے سب سے زیادہ متحرک تحریک چلائی تھی اور قربانیاں دی تھیں۔

اور آپ نے الطاف حسین کو انڈین مسلمانوں سے بالکل الگ اکھاڑ کر کیوں پھینک دیا؟ اگر ذاکر نائیک آپ کے بقول انڈین مسلمانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں تو الطاف حسین اُن ہزاروں لاکھوں "مسلمان خون کے تقسیم شدہ خاندانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں کہ جن کے ماں باپ انڈیا میں ہیں تو بیٹی پاکستان میں۔ بہن بھائی سے جدا ہے تو کہیں اولاد اپنے والدین سے۔

اور اگر ذاکر نائیک کو آپ تقیہ کا حق دے رہے ہیں تو آپ الطاف حسین کو تقیہ کا یہ حق کیوں نہیں دے رہے تاکہ انڈین حکومت کا رویہ ان مہاجر خاندانوں کی طرف نرم ہو سکے اور انہیں ویزے مل سکیں، انہیں انڈیا آنے جانے میں آسانیاں مل سکیں، انہیں اپنے پیاروں سے ملنے کے لیے موجودہ ہزاروں مسائل کا سامنا نہ کرنا پڑے؟ الطاف حسین نے کب پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہے؟ کوئی ایک جملہ دکھا دیں اس تقریر کا جہاں الطاف حسین نے پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہو۔ نہیں، الطاف حسین نے کھل کر پاکستان کے استحکام کی بات کی ہے اور انڈیا میں کھڑے ہو کر کہا ہے کہ اب انڈیا اور پاکستان دو "حقیقتیں " بن کر معرض وجود میں آ چکی ہیں، دونوں کو ایک دوسرے کو کھلے دل سے تسلیم کر لینا چاہیے، خطے میں امن و امان قائم کرنا چاہیے تاکہ دونوں ممالک کی غریب عوام غربت کی چکی میں نہ پستی رہے۔

[bankalalookheti]

So then why Bother Calling Pakistan an IDEOLOGICAL STATE?????When Pakistan isnt even True to its own Ideology then why Even call Pakistan An Ideological country???Till their return Pakistan would be called ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY cause the country which cant even TRUE to ITS CREATION then what else should that Country be called???BTW Karachi is not the Only place where WHOLE PAKISTAN CAN DUMP ANY REFUGEES their is a Big Brother Punjab also there to BEAR SOME BURDEN if Sindh have Problems then...BTW do you Expect them to live PEACEFULLY in Awaami League Govt. which they OPPOSED with PASSION at Fall of Dhaka???They arent even Declare citrizens of Bangladesh cause they dont speak bangali as their First Language so they dont have any Future there but their real FUTURE is Pakistan....


63 years have passed since the creation of Pakistan and a lot of water has passed under the bridge since the inception of this country. We are facing new problems today and we have to adjust our priorities to adrress the new problems accordingly. I am for the repatration of the millions of illegal aliens from Karachi to Bangladesh, let alone bringing those stranded Biharis to Krachi. Sindh cannot afford a new wave of Bihari or Bangladeshi immigrants, and no matter where these wannabe Pakistanis are settled their exodus will end up in Karachi. The so-called ideology of Pakistan and the propa****a of the two nation theory by the Alll India Muslim League is a thing of past, we have to educate our people we have to provide them jobs and seucrity, our people are our first priority. Thsoe Biharis have been awarded Bangladeshi citizensip in the past and now the time has come for them to face the reality and they have to accept it. Take the Bangladeshi citizenship and and be a good Bangladeshi citizen.

[Muhammad Ikhlaq Siddiqui]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

hehehehehehehe

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[mehwish_ali]

British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

یحیی بھائی، میں تو ہمیشہ سے اس نظریے کی قائل رہی ہوں کہ قیام پاکستان صحیح تھا اور نہ غلط، بلکہ ہمارا بطور قوم ایک امتحان تھا۔ افسوس کہ بعد مٰیں آنے والے حکمران اور نسلیں اس امتحان میں ناکام ہو رہے ہیں اور قائد کی امیدوں اور خوابوں کے مطابق ابھی تک پاکستان کو نہیں ڈھال سکے ہیں۔

پاکستان میں آبادی کم تھی اور پاکستان کے پاس بہت مواقع تھی کہ وہ دن دگنی اور رات چوگنی ترقی کرتا کیونکہ پاکستان کے وسائل اسکی آبادی کے تناسب سے کم تھے جبکہ انڈیا میں آبادی کے تناسب سے وسائل کم۔

[bankalalookheti]

British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

What is your problem buddy? I have hardly any idea what you are trying to convey here? Please elaborate.

[YAHYA87]

Is this an answer to my question? Please ask your seniors to quench the intellectual and philosophical thirst of Pakistanis after reading the "philosophical statement" of your British-Indian leader.

This might be Your Answer from a person of your Mindset about TWO NATION THEORY...


63 years have passed since the creation of Pakistan and a lot of water has passed under the bridge since the inception of this country. We are facing new problems today and we have to adjust our priorities to adrress the new problems accordingly. I am for the repatration of the millions of illegal aliens from Karachi to Bangladesh, let alone bringing those stranded Biharis to Krachi. Sindh cannot afford a new wave of Bihari or Bangladeshi immigrants, and no matter where these wannabe Pakistanis are settled their exodus will end up in Karachi. The so-called ideology of Pakistan and the propa****a of the two nation theory by the Alll India Muslim League is a thing of past, we have to educate our people we have to provide them jobs and seucrity, our people are our first priority. Thsoe Biharis have been awarded Bangladeshi citizensip in the past and now the time has come for them to face the reality and they have to accept it. Take the Bangladeshi citizenship and and be a good Bangladeshi citizen.

[bankalalookheti]

THE SLOGAN OF TWO-NATION THEORY WAS RAISED TO DECEIVE THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION MUSLIMS OF THE SUBCONTINENT – ALTAF HUSSAIN

I have few queries --- deception to Muslims by whom? Who raised this slogan and who propagated this slogan? And of which timeline he and his disciples are talking about? Pre-partition or post-partition? Because the slogan was raised before partition. If this idea has proved wrong afterwards then why he is doubting the intentions of the pioneers of freedom?

Well, you have raised a very valid point. Lets see what yahya87 bahi has to say?

[bankalalookheti]

پتا نہیں آپ کونسے چشمے سے چیزوں کو دیکھتے ہیں کہ "ایک ہی کہی گئی بات " کو گھما پھرا کر ایک شخص کے لیے گناہ عظیم بنا دیتے ہیں، جبکہ دوسرے فریق کے لیے باعث افتخار۔ مداری پن کا یہ کرشمہ ہے تو غلط، مگر اپنی مثال آپ ہے۔

آپ کا دعوی یہ ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے یہ بات صرف اس لیے کہہ دی ہے کیونکہ وہ ہندوؤں سے "تقیہ" کر رہا ہے ورنہ وہ بھی تقسیم پاکستان کے حق میں ہے؟

تو میں آپ کو مشورہ دوں گی کہ آپ انڈیا کے سینکڑوں ہزاروں مسلمانوں سے پرائیویٹ میں مل لیں اور وہ آپ کو پرائیویٹ میں بھی یہ کہتے نظر آئیں گے کہ تقسیم پاکستان ایک غلطی تھا (اُنکی لاجک کے مطابق) حالانکہ انہی انڈین مسلمانوں کی پرانی نسلوں نے پاکستان بنانے کے لیے سب سے زیادہ متحرک تحریک چلائی تھی اور قربانیاں دی تھیں۔

اور آپ نے الطاف حسین کو انڈین مسلمانوں سے بالکل الگ اکھاڑ کر کیوں پھینک دیا؟ اگر ذاکر نائیک آپ کے بقول انڈین مسلمانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں تو الطاف حسین اُن ہزاروں لاکھوں "مسلمان خون کے تقسیم شدہ خاندانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں کہ جن کے ماں باپ انڈیا میں ہیں تو بیٹی پاکستان میں۔ بہن بھائی سے جدا ہے تو کہیں اولاد اپنے والدین سے۔

اور اگر ذاکر نائیک کو آپ تقیہ کا حق دے رہے ہیں تو آپ الطاف حسین کو تقیہ کا یہ حق کیوں نہیں دے رہے تاکہ انڈین حکومت کا رویہ ان مہاجر خاندانوں کی طرف نرم ہو سکے اور انہیں ویزے مل سکیں، انہیں انڈیا آنے جانے میں آسانیاں مل سکیں، انہیں اپنے پیاروں سے ملنے کے لیے موجودہ ہزاروں مسائل کا سامنا نہ کرنا پڑے؟ الطاف حسین نے کب پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہے؟ کوئی ایک جملہ دکھا دیں اس تقریر کا جہاں الطاف حسین نے پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہو۔ نہیں، الطاف حسین نے کھل کر پاکستان کے استحکام کی بات کی ہے اور انڈیا میں کھڑے ہو کر کہا ہے کہ اب انڈیا اور پاکستان دو "حقیقتیں " بن کر معرض وجود میں آ چکی ہیں، دونوں کو ایک دوسرے کو کھلے دل سے تسلیم کر لینا چاہیے، خطے میں امن و امان قائم کرنا چاہیے تاکہ دونوں ممالک کی غریب عوام غربت کی چکی میں نہ پستی رہے۔



no substance and no logic, every single post is merely full of emotional rhetoric and nothing else.

[Night-Hawk]

[RIGHT]پتا نہیں آپ کونسے چشمے سے چیزوں کو دیکھتے ہیں کہ "ایک ہی کہی گئی بات " کو گھما پھرا کر ایک شخص کے لیے گناہ عظیم بنا دیتے ہیں، جبکہ دوسرے فریق کے لیے باعث افتخار۔ مداری پن کا یہ کرشمہ ہے تو غلط، مگر اپنی مثال آپ ہے۔

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Non-sense ! His statement was never followed by any formal or casual apology and his cabal is trying desperately to defend his statement on one hand and prove his patriotism on the other.




آپ کا دعوی یہ ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے یہ بات صرف اس لیے کہہ دی ہے کیونکہ وہ ہندوؤں سے "تقیہ" کر رہا ہے ورنہ وہ بھی تقسیم پاکستان کے حق میں ہے؟

تو میں آپ کو مشورہ دوں گی کہ آپ انڈیا کے سینکڑوں ہزاروں مسلمانوں سے پرائیویٹ میں مل لیں اور وہ آپ کو پرائیویٹ میں بھی یہ کہتے نظر آئیں گے کہ تقسیم پاکستان ایک غلطی تھا (اُنکی لاجک کے مطابق) حالانکہ انہی انڈین مسلمانوں کی پرانی نسلوں نے پاکستان بنانے کے لیے سب سے زیادہ متحرک تحریک چلائی تھی اور قربانیاں دی تھیں۔




Why on earth have you thought like that? I have written in plain English devoid of verbal jargon. The second statement concludes my analysis of Indian Muslim's standpoint. I have given my benefit of doubt to Zakir Naik keeping in view his good fame and respect worldwide, however in the same statement I have admired his jingoism and patriotism. So where does it lead to? Does it lead to 'taqqia'? Not at all.

Whatever happened in the past is a thing of past. I don't know whether Altaf's ancestors were involved in Pakistan movement or not, what I know is that Altaf's actions have critically destabilized Pakistan. Creation of Pakistan was one praiseworthy act while its defense and stability is another national obligation.





اور آپ نے الطاف حسین کو انڈین مسلمانوں سے بالکل الگ اکھاڑ کر کیوں پھینک دیا؟ اگر ذاکر نائیک آپ کے بقول انڈین مسلمانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں تو الطاف حسین اُن ہزاروں لاکھوں "مسلمان خون کے تقسیم شدہ خاندانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں کہ جن کے ماں باپ انڈیا میں ہیں تو بیٹی پاکستان میں۔ بہن بھائی سے جدا ہے تو کہیں اولاد اپنے والدین سے۔

اور اگر ذاکر نائیک کو آپ تقیہ کا حق دے رہے ہیں تو آپ الطاف حسین کو تقیہ کا یہ حق کیوں نہیں دے رہے تاکہ انڈین حکومت کا رویہ ان مہاجر خاندانوں کی طرف نرم ہو سکے اور انہیں ویزے مل سکیں، انہیں انڈیا آنے جانے میں آسانیاں مل سکیں، انہیں اپنے پیاروں سے ملنے کے لیے موجودہ ہزاروں مسائل کا سامنا نہ کرنا پڑے؟ الطاف حسین نے کب پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہے؟ کوئی ایک جملہ دکھا دیں اس تقریر کا جہاں الطاف حسین نے پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہو۔ نہیں، الطاف حسین نے کھل کر پاکستان کے استحکام کی بات کی ہے اور انڈیا میں کھڑے ہو کر کہا ہے کہ اب انڈیا اور پاکستان دو "حقیقتیں " بن کر معرض وجود میں آ چکی ہیں، دونوں کو ایک دوسرے کو کھلے دل سے تسلیم کر لینا چاہیے، خطے میں امن و امان قائم کرنا چاہیے تاکہ دونوں ممالک کی غریب عوام غربت کی چکی میں نہ پستی رہے۔





Countries have been divided in the past on administrative, ideological, religious and nationalistic lines. But this doesn't imply that you compromise on national honor and dignity in a hostile territory by appeasing your enemy. We have examples of Muslims's earlier abode in Medina, North & South Korea, and many Arab countries created in the twentieth century.

Zakir Naik is an Indian citizen --- this fact alone must be enough to treat your mental disorder. Yes Indian Muslims are our brothers in faith, but this does not mean that ones who have taken oath of loyalty to Pakistan start bashing the ideological roots of their motherland in India. This is very simple thing you don't need to go through volumes of philosophy to understand it. If in case of war my brother joins American army and fights against my country I will kill him for sure.

His statement also has another dimension. He is of the view that India should forgive the mistakes of his elders in the past and allow the Mohajirs to return back to their ancestral lands. This insinuates that he hides his urge somewhere to undo the partition. For instance he once urged Kashmiris not to join Pakistan and learn lessons from the atrocities on Mohajirs in Pakistan.

Both dimensions reflect his regrets & lamentation on creation of Pakistan and the migration of Muhajirs. However keeping in view his strength in present state of affairs, one would not call it 'taqqia' , but one would label it "hypocrisy par-excellence". On one hand he doesn't want to lose his grip on Pakistani politics and on the other hand he is arm-twisting the Pakistani establishment to increase his share in power politics. So it was a well thought out message from India by Altaf Hussain and i.e. from now onwards people at Islamabad would not only be dictated from Washington but would have to get a nod from Delhi as well. This is typical Altaf's style politics i.e. to play flip-flops and milk the best out of Pakistan. He is like a leech.

[mehwish_ali]

63 years have passed since the creation of Pakistan and a lot of water has passed under the bridge since the inception of this country. We are facing new problems today and we have to adjust our priorities to adrress the new problems accordingly.


کیا ظالم دل انسان ہیں آپ۔ اللہ کی پناہ۔ وہ محصورین پاکستان جو بنگلہ دیش کے کیمپوں میں پڑے ہیں پچھلے 40 سالوں سے مکتی باہنی کے ہاتھوں پاکستان کے نام پر قتل ہوتے چلے آ رہے ہیں، آپ کو انکا ذرہ برابر احساس نہیں۔

آپ "آج" کی بات کیوں کر رہے ہیں؟ ذرا پہلے اپنے شرمناک "کل" کی تو بات کر لیں جو کہ 40 سال کے طویل عرصے پر محیط ہے۔ کیوں نہیں سانحہ مشرقی پاکستان کے فورا بعد ان محصورین پاکستان کو واپس پاکستان منتقل کیا گیا؟ 1947 کے بعد ایک بار پھر مہاجر خون 1971 میں آپ جیسے اپنے آپ کو مسلمان کہلوانے والے لوگوں کے ہاتھوں تقسیم ہوا اور آدھے خاندان کراچی میں موجود ہیں تو آدھے بنگلہ دیش میں مارے گئے اور بقیہ آدھے کیمپوں میں پڑے سڑ رہے ہیں۔

اگر آج آپ کو اپنے مسائل اتنے ہی پیارے ہو گئے ہیں تو آپ مقبوضہ کشمیر انڈیا کو کیوں نہیں دے دیتے؟ نہ رہے گا بانس نہ بجے گی بانسری؟َ

اور آج مسائل کی وجہ سے آپ کو محصورین پاکستان قبول نہیں تو پھر بلوچستان والوں کا کیا قصور ہے جو جوتے مارتے ہوئے اہلیان پنجاب کو اپنے علاقوں سے نکال دینا چاہتے ہیں؟ جو چاہتے ہیں کہ انکے صوبے میں کوئی پنجابی آ کر گوادر پورٹ پر کام نہ کرے بلکہ یہ سب کا سب صرف اور صرف بلوچیوں کے ہاتھ میں ہو؟ تو بتلائیں کہ بلوچستان والے آج اپنے مسائل کے نام پر اہل پنجاب کو پاکستانی ماننے سے انکار کر دیں تو آپ کے پاس کیا جواب ہو گا؟

حیرت کی بات ہے کہ ان محصورین پاکستان کی تعداد دو ڈھائی لاکھ ہے اور پورا پاکستان مل کر انکا بوجھ نہیں اٹھا سکتا۔ مگر جب اکیلے کراچی میں 15 لاکھ پنجابی آ کر بیٹھ جائیں تو وہ قابل قبول ہے اور اُس وقت احساس نہیں ہے کہ کراچی شہر پر کتنا بڑا بوجھ پڑ رہا ہے۔ جب تیس لاکھ پشتون صرف اکیلے ایک کراچی شہر آ کر بیٹھ جائیں تو اُس وقت پاکستان سب کا ہو جاتا ہے۔

انہیں بے غیرت منافقتوں کو دیکھ کر ہی نفرتیں پیدا ہوتی ہیں۔ ان محصورین پاکستان کو واپس نہ بلانا بے غیرتی کی وہ مثال ہے جس پر پوری دنیا پاکستان پر تھو تھو کر رہی ہے، انڈیا چیخ چیخ کر انڈین مسلمانوں کو دکھا رہا ہے کہ یہ ہے تمہارا دو قومی نظریہ۔

[mehwish_ali]

no substance and no logic, every single post is merely full of emotional rhetoric and nothing else.

آپ نے جس سفاک اور جبر کو مظاہرہ محصورین پاکستان کے معاملے میں کیا ہے، اس کے بعد سمجھ آتا ہے کہ آپ کو کیوں اپنے اس سفاک طبیعت کے خلاف ہر بات کیوں جذباتی لگنے لگتی ہے اور بجائے دلائل سے جواب دینے کے آپ ایسے الزامات لیے باہر آ جاتے ہیں۔

[bankalalookheti]

[RIGHT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][B]کیا ظالم دل انسان ہیں آپ۔ اللہ کی پناہ۔ وہ محصورین پاکستان جو بنگلہ دیش کے کیمپوں میں پڑے ہیں پچھلے 40 سالوں سے مکتی باہنی کے ہاتھوں پاکستان کے نام پر قتل ہوتے چلے آ رہے ہیں، آپ کو انکا ذرہ برابر احساس نہیں۔

A blatant lie. Nobody is killing them in Bangladesh, but the killing of Pathans at the hands of MQM militants is a well known fact in Pakistan.



آپ "آج" کی بات کیوں کر رہے ہیں؟ ذرا پہلے اپنے شرمناک "کل" کی تو بات کر لیں جو کہ 40 سال کے طویل عرصے پر محیط ہے۔ کیوں نہیں سانحہ مشرقی پاکستان کے فورا بعد ان محصورین پاکستان کو واپس پاکستان منتقل کیا گیا؟ 1947 کے بعد ایک بار پھر مہاجر خون 1971 میں آپ جیسے اپنے آپ کو مسلمان کہلوانے والے لوگوں کے ہاتھوں تقسیم ہوا اور آدھے خاندان کراچی میں موجود ہیں تو آدھے بنگلہ دیش میں مارے گئے اور بقیہ آدھے کیمپوں میں پڑے سڑ رہے ہیں۔

What is this nonsense, what Mohajir khoon? Because Sindhis, the real inhabitatn of this province, are not ready to take these "stranded Pakistanis" in their province, you have respect the decision of the majority and learn to live with this fact.


اگر آج آپ کو اپنے مسائل اتنے ہی پیارے ہو گئے ہیں تو آپ مقبوضہ کشمیر انڈیا کو کیوں نہیں دے دیتے؟ نہ رہے گا بانس نہ بجے گی بانسری؟َ


The whole world considers the IhK as the disputed territory and should be resolved through peaceful means.


اور آج مسائل کی وجہ سے آپ کو محصورین پاکستان قبول نہیں تو پھر بلوچستان والوں کا کیا قصور ہے جو جوتے مارتے ہوئے اہلیان پنجاب کو اپنے علاقوں سے نکال دینا چاہتے ہیں؟ جو چاہتے ہیں کہ انکے صوبے میں کوئی پنجابی آ کر گوادر پورٹ پر کام نہ کرے بلکہ یہ سب کا سب صرف اور صرف بلوچیوں کے ہاتھ میں ہو؟ تو بتلائیں کہ بلوچستان والے آج اپنے مسائل کے نام پر اہل پنجاب کو پاکستانی ماننے سے انکار کر دیں تو آپ کے پاس کیا جواب ہو گا؟

Anothr senseless point. What has Balochistan problem to do with the Biharis in Bangladesh. I am for the full provincial autonomy, which has been ensured to the provinces in the constitution. I am against military opearation agianst the Balochis.


حیرت کی بات ہے کہ ان محصورین پاکستان کی تعداد دو ڈھائی لاکھ ہے اور پورا پاکستان مل کر انکا بوجھ نہیں اٹھا سکتا۔ مگر جب اکیلے کراچی میں 15 لاکھ پنجابی آ کر بیٹھ جائیں تو وہ قابل قبول ہے اور اُس وقت احساس نہیں ہے کہ کراچی شہر پر کتنا بڑا بوجھ پڑ رہا ہے۔ جب تیس لاکھ پشتون صرف اکیلے ایک کراچی شہر آ کر بیٹھ جائیں تو اُس وقت پاکستان سب کا ہو جاتا ہے۔

I don't care wheteher the number of Biharis in Bangladesh in 250,000 or 250, they are not coming to Pakistan as long as the majority of Sindhis are against them. Punjabis and Pathan, being the citizen of Pakistan, have every right to live where ever they want to live in Pakistan, they are not a burden on anyone. If todays Mohajirs or their forefathers can come here from India to Karachi then the Punjabis and Pathans have more right over Karachi.


انہیں بے غیرت منافقتوں کو دیکھ کر ہی نفرتیں پیدا ہوتی ہیں۔ ان محصورین پاکستان کو واپس نہ بلانا بے غیرتی کی وہ مثال ہے جس پر پوری دنیا پاکستان پر تھو تھو کر رہی ہے، انڈیا چیخ چیخ کر انڈین مسلمانوں کو دکھا رہا ہے کہ یہ ہے تمہارا دو قومی نظریہ۔

Nothing but another senseless rhetoric. And if you are so worried for your Bihari brothers then you are most welcome to live with them in Bangladesh.

[mehwish_ali]

non-sense ! His statement was never followed by any formal or casual apology and his cabal is trying desperately to defend his statement on one hand and prove his patriotism on the other.


why on earth have you thought like that? I have written in plain english devoid of verbal jargon. The second statement concludes my analysis of indian muslim's standpoint. I have given my benefit of doubt to zakir naik keeping in view his good fame and respect worldwide, however in the same statement i have admired his jingoism and patriotism. So where does it lead to? Does it lead to 'taqqia'? Not at all.


آپ مداری کی طرح تماشہ کرتے رہیں، مگر آپ کو دماغ ذاکر نائیک کی سیدھی سادھی بات سمجھنے سے قاصر ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے وہ کچھ بہانے نہیں کیے جو آپ کر رہے ہیں کہ ہندووں سے مسلمانوں کو بچانے کے لیے وہ یہ کہہ رہا ہے، بلکہ ذاکر نائیک نے صاف صاف کہا ہے کہ برصغیر کی تقسیم اس لیے غلط تھی کیونکہ اس سے مسلمان قوت تقسیم ہو گئی۔ اور یہی وہ بات ہے جو الطاف حسین کہہ رہا ہے کہ یہ ہندو نہیں، بلکہ مسلمان خون کی تقسیم ہے اور ہزاروں لاکھوں مسلم خاندان خون میں نہا گئے اور لاکھوں مسلمان خاندان تقسیم ہو کر رہ گئے۔

اس خرابی دماغ کے لیے ایک مرتبہ پھر ذاکر نائیک کا انٹرویو سنیں جہاں وہ کسی ہندوستان محب وطنی کی بات نہیں کر رہا بلکہ سیدھا سادھا یہ کہہ رہا ہے کہ اس سے مسلمان تقسیم ہو گئے اور انکی قوت انڈیا میں ختم ہو گئی۔ اب اسکا موزانہ کریں اس سے جو ذاکر نائیک کی سیدھی سادھی بات نہ سمجھتے ہوئے آپ نے لکھی ہے۔



zakir naik on the other hand is representing an indian stance on the division of subcontinent. This is quite conceivable and a muslim being loyal citizen of the state must be in tune with the official standpoint of the indian government. It would be imprudent to expect from a person like zakir naik to express approval of the partition for two basic reasons ;

1- he is one of the leading muslim scholars in india and his statement in favour of partition would have caused a significant backlash on muslims in india. He will never usher a statement which portrays or insinuates something opposite to the indian national sentiments. Hats off to his patriotism.


اس لیے آپ سے کہا تھا کہ آپ ذاکر نائیک کو پرائیویٹ میں لے جائیں یا کسی انڈین مسلم کو پرائویٹ میں لے جائیں، وہ کبھی آپ کا یہ ہندوستان محب وطنی کا بوگس آرگومینٹ پیش نہیں کر رہا ہو گا بلکہ سیدھی سادھی اردو میں اسے مسلمان خون کی تقسیم قرار دے رہا ہو گا، اور بعینیہ یہی بات الطاف حسین نے کی ہے۔



whatever happened in the past is a thing of past. I don't know whether altaf's ancestors were involved in pakistan movement or not, what i know is that altaf's actions have critically destabilized pakistan. Creation of pakistan was one praiseworthy act while its defense and stability is another national obligation.


countries have been divided in the past on administrative, ideological, religious and nationalistic lines.

اچھا ایسا ہے تو ہم اُس وقت مانیں جب آپ پہلے 1951 میں دو قومی نظریہ کا خون کرنے والوں پر لعنت بھیجیں جہاں انہوں نے انڈیا سے آنے والے مسلمان خاندانوں پر ہجرت کی پابندی لگا دی۔

اگر دو قومی نظریہ اتنا ہی مقدس ہے تو پھر آپ اپنے ان دوست بانکا صاحب پر لعنت کیوں نہیں بھیج رہے جو مسلسل آپ کے اس مقدس گائے دو قومی نظریے کو قبر میں اتارتے ہوئے محصورین پاکستان کی واپسی کے انکاری ہیں؟

صرف منہ سے مقدس مقدس کہہ دینے سے کوئی چیز مقدس نہیں ہو جاتی۔ اپنے اس دماغی خلل سے نکلیں کہ دنیا بہت آگے جا چکی ہے، 15 کڑوڑ بنگالی آپ کی اس دو قومی نظریہ کو آپ کے منہ پر مارتے ہوئے الگ ہو چکے ہیں اور بلوچستان اور سندھ میں اسکے خلاف بے تحاشہ آوازیں اٹھ رہی ہیں۔ اگر پاکستان کو جیتا جاگتا، پھیلتا پھولتا دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں تو ماضی کی ان غلطیوں سے باز آئیں اور زمینی حقائق کو قبول کریں۔

اور ایک بار پھر، آپ کے دماغ میں کیا خرابی ہے جو آپ کو الطاف حسین کی سیدھی سادھی بات سمجھ نہیں آتی کہ وہ پاکستان کے وجود کے خلاف نہیں ہے بلکہ انڈیا میں کھڑا ہو کر کہہ رہا ہے کہ پاکستان ایک حقیقت ہے جسے انڈیا کو قبول کر لینا چاہیے اور اچھے تعلقات رکھ کر عوام کی بہتری کے لیے کام کرنا چاہیے۔

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آپ مداری کی طرح تماشہ کرتے رہیں، مگر آپ کو دماغ ذاکر نائیک کی سیدھی سادھی بات سمجھنے سے قاصر ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے وہ کچھ بہانے نہیں کیے جو آپ کر رہے ہیں کہ ہندووں سے مسلمانوں کو بچانے کے لیے وہ یہ کہہ رہا ہے، بلکہ ذاکر نائیک نے صاف صاف کہا ہے کہ برصغیر کی تقسیم اس لیے غلط تھی کیونکہ اس سے مسلمان قوت تقسیم ہو گئی۔ اور یہی وہ بات ہے جو الطاف حسین کہہ رہا ہے کہ یہ ہندو نہیں، بلکہ مسلمان خون کی تقسیم ہے اور ہزاروں لاکھوں مسلم خاندان خون میں نہا گئے اور لاکھوں مسلمان خاندان تقسیم ہو کر رہ گئے۔ [size=4]

Nobody cares what Zakir Naik says. He, his existence and his views about Pakistan or about the division of British India are insignificant to us.

[Night-Hawk]

Let me share my views on the issue of stranded Pakistanis.

1- They must be settled in pakistan and replaced with Afghan refugees everywhere in the country.

2- They should be honored as loyal citizens of Pakistan and given awards for their bravery and committement to the cause amidst hostile conditions.

However one has to understand two different views put forth by the opponents.

1- There was initially an atmosphere of goodwill for those families in Bangladesh, however the violent linguistic politics of MQM in Karachi has created an element of distaste among Pathans, Sindhis, Balochis and Punjabis.

2- It is postulated that they will be easily lured in by MQM's goons to work for them and this will for sure increase the bulk of 'fifth columns' in Pakistan.

All MQM needs is to shoot a member of other ethnicity and hence starts a wave of ethnic mohajirs joining MQM for shelter. MQM's terror is a serious confounding factor in their return apart from the apathy of our ruling elite of which MQM is also a part.

[bankalalookheti]

Let me share my views on the issue of stranded Pakistanis.

1- They must be settled in pakistan and replaced with Afghan refugees everywhere in the country.

2- They should be honored as loyal citizens of Pakistan and given awards for their bravery and committement to the cause amidst hostile conditions.

I am sorry I don't agree here.

1. Without the approval of Sindhis the settlement of Biharis in Pakistan would be considered another treachery against Sindhis, they have already paid a very heavy price for the creation of Pakistan.

2. The Biharis were not loyal to India, they were not loyal to Bengalis and it would be foolish to expect that they would be loyal to Pakistan. Those Biharis who came to Karachi in the 70s after the separation of east Pakistan were the main reason of the ethnic violence in Karachi, especially in Orangi town.

3. Why should the Afghan refugees be deported if they are living legally in pakistan?

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A blatant lie. Nobody is killing them in Bangladesh, but the killing of Pathans at the hands of MQM militants is a well known fact in Pakistan.

پورے 40 سالوں میں کبھی آپ نے پلٹ کر ان محصورین پاکستان کا حال پوچھا ہو تو آپ کو پتا ہو نا۔ نہ صرف یہ کہ اس سانحے کے وقت انکی پاکستان سے وفاداری کی وجہ سے یہ ہزاروں لاکھوں کی تعداد میں قتل کیے گئے، بلکہ اسکے بہت بعد تک انکی جان و مال کو امان حاصل نہ تھا۔

اور آپ اُس وقت اندھے بہرے گونگے کیوں ہو جاتے ہیں جب آپ کو دکھایا جاتا ہے کہ سہراب گوٹھ میں کیسے معصوموں کی جان لینے والے اسلحے کے ڈھیر پشتون کلچر کے نام پر کئی دھائیوں سے جمع کیے جا رہے ہیں اور اسی وجہ سے 1986 میں تین سو مہاجروں کو ان جرائم پیشہ افراد نے قصبہ کالونی میں شہید کر دیا اور سینکڑوں کو زخمی کر دیا مگر آپکے منہ کو منافقتیں چمٹ گئیں اور انکے لیے آپکے منہ سے کوئی آواز نہیں نکلتی۔



What is this nonsense, what Mohajir khoon? Because Sindhis, the real inhabitatn of this province, are not ready to take these "stranded Pakistanis" in their province, you have respect the decision of the majority and learn to live with this fact.

شرم کریں۔ یقین نہیں آتا کوئی اتنی ڈھٹائی سے ایسی بات کر سکتا ہے۔

اگر آپ کہتے ہیں کہ پشتون اور پنجابیوں کو کراچی جانے کے لیے سندھیوں کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں تو پھر یہ محصورین پاکستان اتنے ہی پاکستانی ہیں جتنے پشتون اور پنجابی ہیں تو پھر انہیں سندھیوں سے پوچھنے کی شرط کی منافقت کیوں؟



The whole world considers the IhK as the disputed territory and should be resolved through peaceful means.

پوری دنیا تو محصورین پاکستان کو بھی پاکستان کا حصہ سمجھتی ہے اور انہیں واپس نہ لینے پر پاکستان پر اور دو قومی نظریے پر ہنستی ہے۔



Anothr senseless point. What has Balochistan problem to do with the Biharis in Bangladesh. I am for the full provincial autonomy, which has been ensured to the provinces in the constitution. I am against military opearation agianst the Balochis.

اصل مسائل کو خوب ہضم کیا ہے آپ نے۔

میرا سوال یہ تھا:۔

اور آج مسائل کی وجہ سے آپ کو محصورین پاکستان قبول نہیں تو پھر بلوچستان والوں کا کیا قصور ہے جو جوتے مارتے ہوئے اہلیان پنجاب کو اپنے علاقوں سے نکال دینا چاہتے ہیں؟ جو چاہتے ہیں کہ انکے صوبے میں کوئی پنجابی آ کر گوادر پورٹ پر کام نہ کرے بلکہ یہ سب کا سب صرف اور صرف بلوچیوں کے ہاتھ میں ہو؟ تو بتلائیں کہ بلوچستان والے آج اپنے مسائل کے نام پر اہل پنجاب کو پاکستانی ماننے سے انکار کر دیں تو آپ کے پاس کیا جواب ہو گا؟

جواب مکمل دیجئے گا اور گھمانے کی کوشش بے سود ہے۔


I don't care wheteher the number of Biharis in Bangladesh in 250,000 or 250, they are not coming to Pakistan as long as the majority of Sindhis are against them. Punjabis and Pathan, being the citizen of Pakistan, have every right to live where ever they want to live in Pakistan, they are not a burden on anyone. If todays Mohajirs or their forefathers can come here from India to Karachi then the Punjabis and Pathans have more right over Karachi.

یہ ہے کھلی ہوئی منافقت۔

محصورین پاکستان اتنے ہی پاکستانی ہیں جتنے کہ پنجابی اور پشتون۔ اگر پنجابی اور پشتون کو ملک میں کہیں جانے کے لیے کسی کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں تو پھر ان محصورین پاکستان کو بھی پاکستان آنے کے لیے کسی کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں۔




Nothing but another senseless rhetoric. And if you are so worried for your Bihari brothers then you are most welcome to live with them in Bangladesh.

احسان فراموش۔ بھول گئے کہ ان مہاجروں کے بزرگوں کی قربانیوں کے صدقے آپ کو پاکستان ملا، ان محصورین پاکستان کی قربانیوں کے صدقے بنگلہ دیش میں فوج کے ہزاروں جوان قتل ہونے سے بچ گئے۔

[Night-Hawk]

آپ مداری کی طرح تماشہ کرتے رہیں، مگر آپ کو دماغ ذاکر نائیک کی سیدھی سادھی بات سمجھنے سے قاصر ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے وہ کچھ بہانے نہیں کیے جو آپ کر رہے ہیں کہ ہندووں سے مسلمانوں کو بچانے کے لیے وہ یہ کہہ رہا ہے، بلکہ ذاکر نائیک نے صاف صاف کہا ہے کہ برصغیر کی تقسیم اس لیے غلط تھی کیونکہ اس سے مسلمان قوت تقسیم ہو گئی۔ اور یہی وہ بات ہے جو الطاف حسین کہہ رہا ہے کہ یہ ہندو نہیں، بلکہ مسلمان خون کی تقسیم ہے اور ہزاروں لاکھوں مسلم خاندان خون میں نہا گئے اور لاکھوں مسلمان خاندان تقسیم ہو کر رہ گئے۔

اس خرابی دماغ کے لیے ایک مرتبہ پھر ذاکر نائیک کا انٹرویو سنیں جہاں وہ کسی ہندوستان محب وطنی کی بات نہیں کر رہا بلکہ سیدھا سادھا یہ کہہ رہا ہے کہ اس سے مسلمان تقسیم ہو گئے اور انکی قوت انڈیا میں ختم ہو گئی۔ اب اسکا موزانہ کریں اس سے جو ذاکر نائیک کی سیدھی سادھی بات نہ سمجھتے ہوئے آپ نے لکھی ہے۔




اس لیے آپ سے کہا تھا کہ آپ ذاکر نائیک کو پرائیویٹ میں لے جائیں یا کسی انڈین مسلم کو پرائویٹ میں لے جائیں، وہ کبھی آپ کا یہ ہندوستان محب وطنی کا بوگس آرگومینٹ پیش نہیں کر رہا ہو گا بلکہ سیدھی سادھی اردو میں اسے مسلمان خون کی تقسیم قرار دے رہا ہو گا، اور بعینیہ یہی بات الطاف حسین نے کی ہے۔



اچھا ایسا ہے تو ہم اُس وقت مانیں جب آپ پہلے 1951 میں دو قومی نظریہ کا خون کرنے والوں پر لعنت بھیجیں جہاں انہوں نے انڈیا سے آنے والے مسلمان خاندانوں پر ہجرت کی پابندی لگا دی۔

اگر دو قومی نظریہ اتنا ہی مقدس ہے تو پھر آپ اپنے ان دوست بانکا صاحب پر لعنت کیوں نہیں بھیج رہے جو مسلسل آپ کے اس مقدس گائے دو قومی نظریے کو قبر میں اتارتے ہوئے محصورین پاکستان کی واپسی کے انکاری ہیں؟

صرف منہ سے مقدس مقدس کہہ دینے سے کوئی چیز مقدس نہیں ہو جاتی۔ اپنے اس دماغی خلل سے نکلیں کہ دنیا بہت آگے جا چکی ہے، 15 کڑوڑ بنگالی آپ کی اس دو قومی نظریہ کو آپ کے منہ پر مارتے ہوئے الگ ہو چکے ہیں اور بلوچستان اور سندھ میں اسکے خلاف بے تحاشہ آوازیں اٹھ رہی ہیں۔ اگر پاکستان کو جیتا جاگتا، پھیلتا پھولتا دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں تو ماضی کی ان غلطیوں سے باز آئیں اور زمینی حقائق کو قبول کریں۔

اور ایک بار پھر، آپ کے دماغ میں کیا خرابی ہے جو آپ کو الطاف حسین کی سیدھی سادھی بات سمجھ نہیں آتی کہ وہ پاکستان کے وجود کے خلاف نہیں ہے بلکہ انڈیا میں کھڑا ہو کر کہہ رہا ہے کہ پاکستان ایک حقیقت ہے جسے انڈیا کو قبول کر لینا چاہیے اور اچھے تعلقات رکھ کر عوام کی بہتری کے لیے کام کرنا چاہیے۔
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جب دماغ کام کرنا بند ہو جاے اور بندہ پاگل پن کی حدود کو چھونے لگے تو تمھارے جیسے اجڈ سپورٹرز ملتے ہیں جو اپنے گھٹیا لیڈر کے گوبر کو بھی چاکلیٹ سمجھ کے چاٹتے ہیں --- اگر ایسا نہیں ہے تو وہ تمہاری جیب میں اتنے پیسے ڈالتا ہو گا کہ تم اپنے گھر والوں کو بھی اسکے لیے بیچ ڈالو


As I wrote above, Zakir Naik is never going to Curse Yazid even if it is proved to him that Yazid is the Killer. Neither do the supporters of Zakir Naik will ever do it. They will keep on going against the Sunnah of Allah and keep on hiding the crimes of Yazid.

یہ وہ الفاظ ہیں جو تم نے ذاکر نائیک اور اسکے حواریوں کے لیے ادا کیے --- ظاہر ہے کہ ذاکر صاحب کے ان الفاظ سے مجھ سمیت اور بھی کی مسلمان اتفاق نہیں کرتے --- لیکن کمال تمہاری منافقت کے ہیں کہ ووہی ذاکر نائیک 'یزید کا سپورٹر' اب اس معاملے میں حجت ٹھہرا اور وہ بھی صرف اس وجہ سے کہ اس معاملے میں 'بھائی' کی دھوتی اتر رہی تھی اور اس طرح گدھے کو بھی باپ بنا لیا گیا

اور حب الوطنی کی بات بتا کر نہیں کی جاتی یہ انسان کے اندر ہوتی ہے اور گفتگو سے باہر آ جاتی ہے
مجھے یہ کہنے میں کوئی عار نہیں کہ ذاکر نائیک اپنے ملک کا وفادار ہے اور الطاف ننگ دیں ننگ ملّت ننگ وطن اپنے ملک پر تھوکتا ہے اسی لیے تو ہندوؤں کی گود میں بیٹھ کے پاکستان کے خلاف بکواس کرتا ہے اور انگلستان میں بیٹھ کر اپنے پیشہ ور قاتلوں کی قیادت کرتا ہے

دو قومی نظریہ کے بارے میں تم نے میری پوسٹ نہیں پڑھی --- میں نے تمہیں کہا تھا علامہ اقبال اور قائد نے صرف مسلم اکثریتی علاقوں میں نئی مملکت بنانے کا سوچا تھا اور عملی طور پر بھی ایسا ہی ممکن تھا کیوں کہ یو پی اور سی پی میں مسلمان اتنے بکھرے ہوے تھے کہ مکمّل طور پر ایک ایسا ملک جس میں صرف مسلمان ہوں وہ ناممکن تھا --- لیکن بعد ازاں مسلم لیگ کو زیادہ تر سپورٹرز بھی انہی علاقوں سے ملے --- تم چاہے دو قومی نظریے پر ساری کتابیں اٹھا کے دیکھ لو اس میں یہی لکھا ہے کہ مسلم اکثریتی علاقوں میں مسلمانوں کی خود مختاری تسلیم کی جاے گی --- اس کا مطلب یہ ہرگز نہیں تھا کہ ہندوستان کے سب مسلمانوں کو پناہ دی جاۓ گی اور ناں ہی ایسا ممکن تھا تمہاری پوری پوسٹ جہالت کا ممبع ہے

اور بار بار ١٩٥١ میں سرحدوں کی بندش کا رونا ناں رویا کرو -- یہ اس ملک کے لوگوں کا بھائی چارہ تھا کہ آزادی کے بعد ایک کروڑ لوگوں کو پناہ دی جن کے ساتھ زبان اور نسل کا رشتہ ناں تھا اور صرف مذہب واحد رشتہ تھا ---- اور کیوں ناں سرحدیں بند ہوتیں؟ ١٩٥١ تک تھوڑا وقت تھا ہجرت کرنے کا؟ -- جنہوں نے پاکستان آنا تھا وہ آ گئے اور جو ہندوستان رہنا چاہتے تھے وہ رہ گئے --- مجھے بتاؤ وہ کونسا ملک ہے دنیا میں جو اپنی سرحدیں غیر معینہ مدّت تک کھلی رکھے اور وہ بھی ایسے ملک کے لیے جو صرف تین سال پہلے اس کے خلاف جنگ چھیڑ چکا ہو --اسکے حصّے کی رقم اور فوجی سامان روک چکا ہو اسکے حصے کا نہری پانی بند کر چکا ہو اور اسکے وجود کا ہی دشمن ہو --- اگر ہندوستان ان مسلمانوں کی آڑ میں اپنے جاسوس چھوڑ دیتا تو ہم کیا کر لیتے -- ہم سے ایک الطاف تو سمبھالا نہیں جاتا اور اگر مسلمانوں کے روپ میں ہندو گھس آتے تو پھر کیا کرتے؟ *

١٥ کروڑ بنگالی دو قومی نظریے کو ہمارے منہ پر نہیں مارتے تمھارے جیسے نسل پرست پنجابیوں اور مہاجروں کے منہ پہ مارتے ہیں جنہوں نے اسلام کو بھلا کر بیوروکریسی اور زمینداری کے ذریے انکا استحصال شروع کر دیا --- یہ ووہی تمہارا 'لیفٹ ونگ اسلام' تھا جو اس ملک میں آزادی کے فورا بعد فروغ پانا شروع ہوا -- جس نے اسلامی قدریں تو ناں دیں بلکہ اسکا لبادہ اوڑھ کر استحصالی اور عیاشی کو فروغ دیا اور نتیجتا مشرقی پاکستان ہم سے جدا ہوا --- دو قومی نظریہ اگر مر جاتا تو آج بنگالی ہندوستان میں بیٹھے ہوتے ---


اگر بھائی جیسے گھٹیا کردار کے بندے کے مونہ سے نکلا ہوا ایک ایک حرف قیمتی اور مقدّس ہو سکتا ہے اور اس کی شبیہ پتوں میں نظر آ سکتی ہے اور اس کے معجزے اپنا کام دکھا سکتے ہیں تو قائد اور اقبال جیسے بے لوث لوگوں کی بات کیوں مقدّس نہیں ہو سکتی --- ان شہیدوں کا لہو کیوں مقدّس نہیں ہو سکتا جنہوں نے اپنی جان اور اپنا سب کچھ اس ارض پاک کے لیے نثار کار دیا--- یہ سب جانتے ہوے بھی وہ قربان ہوے کہ انکی آنکھیں نوزائیدہ مملکت نہیں دیکھ سکیں گی بقول فیض

تیرے ہونٹوں کے پھولوں کی چاہت میں ہم
دار کی خشک ٹہنی پہ وارے گئے

تیری آنکھوں کی شمعوں کی حسرت میں ہم
نیم تاریک راہوں میں مارے گئے

[bankalalookheti]

پورے 40 سالوں میں کبھی آپ نے پلٹ کر ان محصورین پاکستان کا حال پوچھا ہو تو آپ کو پتا ہو نا۔ نہ صرف یہ کہ اس سانحے کے وقت انکی پاکستان سے وفاداری کی وجہ سے یہ ہزاروں لاکھوں کی تعداد میں قتل کیے گئے، بلکہ اسکے بہت بعد تک انکی جان و مال کو امان حاصل نہ تھا۔

Why should have I? They are not my baap dada. You are lying as usual, they were not killed in hundreds of thousands. In any other country these traitors would have been treated more harshly but it seems that Bengalis are compassionate people. These traitors killed those Benglis at the behest of the army who had given them assylum in their own country.



اور آپ اُس وقت اندھے بہرے گونگے کیوں ہو جاتے ہیں جب آپ کو دکھایا جاتا ہے کہ سہراب گوٹھ میں کیسے معصوموں کی جان لینے والے اسلحے کے ڈھیر پشتون کلچر کے نام پر کئی دھائیوں سے جمع کیے جا رہے ہیں اور اسی وجہ سے 1986 میں تین سو مہاجروں کو ان جرائم پیشہ افراد نے قصبہ کالونی میں شہید کر دیا اور سینکڑوں کو زخمی کر دیا مگر آپکے منہ کو منافقتیں چمٹ گئیں اور انکے لیے آپکے منہ سے کوئی آواز نہیں نکلتی۔



Pathans will kill you if you will kill them. If you don't want to get killed, don't kill them in the first place. In every killing spree in Karachi almost 70 to 80 percent casualties belong to their community. It speak volume about who is kiling whom.




شرم کریں۔ یقین نہیں آتا کوئی اتنی ڈھٹائی سے ایسی بات کر سکتا ہے۔

اگر آپ کہتے ہیں کہ پشتون اور پنجابیوں کو کراچی جانے کے لیے سندھیوں کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں تو پھر یہ محصورین پاکستان اتنے ہی پاکستانی ہیں جتنے پشتون اور پنجابی ہیں تو پھر انہیں سندھیوں سے پوچھنے کی شرط کی منافقت کیوں؟



You are lying again, they are not Pakistani, even though they claim to be one. Sindh belongs to Sindhis first and as long as they don't support their settlement in Sindh they will keep rotting in Bangladesh.



پوری دنیا تو محصورین پاکستان کو بھی پاکستان کا حصہ سمجھتی ہے اور انہیں واپس نہ لینے پر پاکستان پر اور دو قومی نظریے پر ہنستی ہے۔

NO one in this world consider them Pakistani, they are loyal Bangladeshi citizen and they are proud of their country Bangladesh. Those who are not, are allowed to go back to India.




اصل مسائل کو خوب ہضم کیا ہے آپ نے۔


میرا سوال یہ تھا:۔

اور آج مسائل کی وجہ سے آپ کو محصورین پاکستان قبول نہیں تو پھر بلوچستان والوں کا کیا قصور ہے جو جوتے مارتے ہوئے اہلیان پنجاب کو اپنے علاقوں سے نکال دینا چاہتے ہیں؟ جو چاہتے ہیں کہ انکے صوبے میں کوئی پنجابی آ کر گوادر پورٹ پر کام نہ کرے بلکہ یہ سب کا سب صرف اور صرف بلوچیوں کے ہاتھ میں ہو؟ تو بتلائیں کہ بلوچستان والے آج اپنے مسائل کے نام پر اہل پنجاب کو پاکستانی ماننے سے انکار کر دیں تو آپ کے پاس کیا جواب ہو گا؟

جواب مکمل دیجئے گا اور گھمانے کی کوشش بے سود ہے۔

Just like most of the MQM supporters you also seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said that I support the provincial autonomy and the Balochis should be allowed to run their own province. I have heard that many Balochi nationalist denoucne their pakistani nationality but it would be fool of them if they ever call Punjabi non-pakistani, unless they are as stupid as few MQM followers here.

ی
ہ ہے کھلی ہوئی منافقت۔

محصورین پاکستان اتنے ہی پاکستانی ہیں جتنے کہ پنجابی اور پشتون۔ اگر پنجابی اور پشتون کو ملک میں کہیں جانے کے لیے کسی کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں تو پھر ان محصورین پاکستان کو بھی پاکستان آنے کے لیے کسی کی اجازت کی ضرورت نہیں۔


NO, they are not. They are Bangladeshis and they are proud of it. Those who don't like to be called Bangladshi are allowed to go back to India.



احسان فراموش۔ بھول گئے کہ ان مہاجروں کے بزرگوں کی قربانیوں کے صدقے آپ کو پاکستان ملا، ان محصورین پاکستان کی قربانیوں کے صدقے بنگلہ دیش میں فوج کے ہزاروں جوان قتل ہونے سے بچ گئے۔


You live in your own make-believe world. Punjabi, Pathans, Sndhi were quite happy in their provinces and they were actualyl already controlling the politics of their respective provinces. The only losers would be the Muslims of India if Pakistnai had not come into being.

And thousands of Pakistan army personnel were saved by the stranded Biharis. This is the newest non-sense that you uttered today. Do you get these kind of information from nine zero?

[Night-Hawk]

I am sorry I don't agree here.

1. Without the approval of Sindhis the settlement of Biharis in Pakistan would be considered another treachery against Sindhis, they have already paid a very heavy price for the creation of Pakistan.

2. The Biharis were not loyal to India, they were not loyal to Bengalis and it would be foolish to expect that they would be loyal to Pakistan. Those Biharis who came to Karachi in the 70s after the separation of east Pakistan were the main reason of the ethnic violence in Karachi, especially in Orangi town.

3. Why should the Afghan refugees be deported if they are living legally in pakistan?

Well I respect your opinion ----

1- In my opinion they can be settled in Punjab and elsewhere. Yes I agree that Sindh is already a victim of 'critical demographic shift' and 'ethnic violence'.

2- Biharis were not loyal to India and Bengalis because they favoured Pakistan. I think your argument is not a litmus test of their loyalty. Frankly I don't know about this Orangi Town incident.

3- Afghan refugees should now be deported because many of them are now involved in drugs trade and illegal activities everywhere in Pakistan. Many of them have made illegal and fake Pakistani documents including domicile and NADRA ID cards. Their activities are unchecked , they are not confined to their camps and are competing with Pakistanis for the natural resources.

[bankalalookheti]

Well I respect your opinion ----

1- In my opinion they can be settled in Punjab and elsewhere. Yes I agree that Sindh is already a victim of 'critical demographic shift' and 'ethnic violence'.

2- Biharis were not loyal to India and Bengalis because they favoured Pakistan. I think your argument is not a litmus test of their loyalty. Frankly I don't know about this Orangi Town incident.

3- Afghan refugees should now be deported because many of them are now involved in drugs trade and illegal activities everywhere in Pakistan. Many of them have made illegal and fake Pakistani documents including domicile and NADRA ID cards. Their activities are unchecked , they are not confined to their camps and are competing with Pakistanis for the natural resources.


-No matter where they are allowed to settle they will end up in Karachi. I'm with Sindhis on this point, no step should be taken for bringing them to Pakistan as long as Sindhis oppose their settlement in Pakistan.

-Not my argument but their behaviour during the east Pakistan crisis was very controversial. They betrayed those people who provided them with shelter in their own country. Being a Mohajir myself I know very well how much these people hate Punjabi, Pathans and Sindhis. If you want to have more militants for MQM and if you want to present one more national assembly seat on a platter to MQM then go on and bring all of them to Pakistan.

-Not all Afghan refugees are involved in drug trafficking. Most of them are poor people who are the victim of Pakistan's Afghanistan policy. They are already in Pakistan and a we should treat them fairly, they will help us in the future. A friendly Afghanistan is very important for Pakistan.

[Night-Hawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnIhEgwI6y4&feature=related

[bankalalookheti]

@Night Hawk
I don't want to come over as a hate monger, but Pakistan's interest are to me more dear than anything else and truth must be told now matter how bitter it is.

[sami]

without partition it could,nt be possible for an islamic counrty o be a nuclear power............................

[Night-Hawk]

@Night Hawk
I don't want to come over as a hate monger, but Pakistan's interest are to me more dear than anything else and truth must be told now matter how bitter it is.

Let me tell you one thing -- that I am a Pathan (though Punjab domiciled) and I have seen many Mohajirs settled peacefully in Punjab and KPK. They are naturalized to such an extent that some times it is difficult to recognize them as separate entities. So, I don't think that Biharis (stranded Pakistanis) would pose an existential or any other minor threat to our nation. When I was studying in Lahore, I came across many students who had roots in UP (India), but they were so well versed in Punjabi and other local languages that a third person couldn't appreciate their distinctness. Another reason being the fact that many Punjabi families also have domesticated Urdu.

You cannot solely hold Pakistan responsible for Afghanistan's problems. Afghan resistance started against the Russian backed Marxist rulers and Pakistan intervened after Russian invasion. And Pakistan did its best to accommodate the refugees for the last 30 years. Now I think that Pakistan has had enough.

[bankalalookheti]

Let me tell you one thing -- that I am a Pathan (though Punjab domiciled) and I have seen many Mohajirs settled peacefully in Punjab and KPK. They are naturalized to such an extent that some times it is difficult to recognize them as separate entities. So, I don't think that Biharis (stranded Pakistanis) would pose an existential or any other minor threat to our nation. When I was studying in Lahore, I came across many students who had roots from UP (India), but they were so well versed in Punjabi and other local languages that a third person couldn't appreciate their distinctness. Another reason being the fact that many Punjabi families also have domesticated Urdu.

You cannot solely hold Pakistan responsible for Afghanistan's problems. Afghan resistance started against the Russian backed Marxist rulers and Pakistan intervened after Russian invasion. And Pakistan did its best to accommodate the refugees for the last 30 years. Now I think that Pakistan has had enough.

Then bring them to Lahore and settle them there and make sure that they will never migrate to Sindh. The uncontrolled migration of people from different neighbouring countries to Pakistan has created a dire demographic problem but we unfortunately don't belong to that group of nations who learn anything from history. Be ready to provide jobs, shelter and education to half a million people in a country like Pakistan that cannot provide these facilities to the bulk of its own population. Good luck.

[bankalalookheti]

without partition it could,nt be possible for an islamic counrty o be a nuclear power............................

Great, but unfortunately Pakistanis cannot eat or drink the nuclear bombs.

[khudi]

Dukh howa ye jaan ke!

[bankalalookheti]

Sep 1991 Three people were killed in bomb attacks during a strike in Hyderabad. Native Sindhis were protesting against the repatriation of Biharis, the so-called "stranded Pakistanis" from Bangladesh.


Jan 1993 Pakistan took back the first batch of 300 Bihari refugees, the stranded Pakistanis from Bangladesh, after a wait of about two decades. While the beginning partly fulfills a 1990 promise by the ruling IDA to repatriate all the refugees -- about 250,000 -- they are reported to be far from universally welcome. Native Sindhis, championed by the opposition PPP, see them as a part of a long-running conspiracy by the Punjabi-dominated Islamabad government to further swamp the southern province with outsiders. Already the native Sindhis are a minority in their own province, particularly in the major urban centers. Conscious of Sindhi sensibilities, the government has promised to house the refugees in the eastern province of Punjab. But few doubt that any fresh influx of Biharis, like their million-plus ethnic kinfolk who have illegally spirited their way into Karachi in the past five years, will eventually gravitate towards Sindh's urban centers (The Guardian, 01/11/93). Army troops were called in to patrol the streets of the southern Sindh cities of Karachi and Hyderabad, to avert a possible ethnic backlash in the wake of four bomb blasts that left 30 people dead and over 100 wounded in Hyderabad. Rival ethnic groups called for protests against the bombings. Political leaders including Mrs. Benazir Bhutto condemned the government's failure to maintain law and order. No one has claimed responsibility for the killings, but police suspect the Jaye Sindh, a nationalist group opposed to the immigration of Urdu-speaking Biharis from Bangladesh (AFP, 01/25/93).

Apr 1993 The Federal Minister of Defence Production Mir Bijrani announced his resignation from the cabinet. In his resignation letter, he cited the indifference of the coalition Prime Minister Sharif towards issues like stemming ethnic violence in Sindh, the apprehension of the native Sindhis toward the repatriation of Biharis from Bangladesh, and under-representation of rural Sindhis in the federal services (Middle East Intelligence Report, 04/11/93). President Ghulam Khan dismissed the Sharif government and dissolved the Parliament in view of conflicts over power sharing between him and the Prime Minister.


http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,CHRON,PAK,,469f38c8c,0.html

[waleedhussain]

Do you know about Dr. Israr Ahmed's point of view on partition?


LET ME TELL YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT I KNOW AS BEING STUDENT OF DR. ZAKIR AND DR. ISRAR FROM PAST 8 YEARS ...........and have met them as well... DR.ISRAR WAS A STAUNCH BELIEVER WHEN IT COMES TO THE IDEOLOGY OF PAKISTAN ......... DR.ZAKIR NAIK IS UNDER MICROSCOPE AND TARGETED BY INDIAN INTELLIGENCE AND MEDIA (ESPECIALLY PRINT MEDI) ALWAYS IN AN EFFORT TO GET OUT SOMETHING FROM HIM TO PROVE HIM AS WORKING FOR "PAKISTAN'S ISI" AND WITH THE HELP OF U.S PLACE HIM ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM LIST .... "THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY ZAKIR NAIK HAS NEVER EVER VISITED PAKISTAN" ..ONCE HE WILL DO THE HINDUS WOULD TAKE UP ON HIM....

as regard for the view that if partition has not happened we all would have been bigger force/../......then my argument is ....

LARGE EMPIRES AND PALACES OF WORLD'S RICHEST PEOPLE, BUSINESSES, ARMIES, TOWERS, DEVELOPMENT, POLITICAL AND INTERNAL CONTROL ......ALL OF THE NORTH AFRICA AND THE MIDDLE EAST ... have borders that surround small, meagre, worm like area "ISRAEL" ....and still could not free Phalestine ... such a strategic location , power, money, development, army ....but what is missing ?????

Janaaab --- Muslims are degraded as a punishment from Allah , not whenthey dont have these wordly materialistic things....but "IMAAAN" "TAKWA" ...SUBMISSION IN THE WAY OF ALLAH......if you dont have true faith in ALLAH and dont do JEHAD in the way of Allah you cant save even a small piece of land.

[tauseef-it]

Asalam-o-Alaikum,

Bhai aap sab Jazbati na ho, Me Dubai me hota ta tab mere 2 Indians Muslim Friend te wo Partition k Khilaf hein..
You Know Why ?????

Partion k bad Tamam Muslim Leaders or or Lakhon Musalman Pakistan a agye lekin khuch Lakhon Musalman aise b te jo kisi waja se Hijrat nahe kar sake..
Kya aap ko pata he k Partion k bad India me Musalmano k sath kya huwa ??? Kitne Musalmao ko Shaheed kar diya, un ki Jaan, Maal or Izat Looti gaye....
Is Context me dekhein to Dono ki bat sahe he,
Baharhaal ab ye tareekh ka hisa hein or hame is Sachayi ko accept karna hoga....
Lekin ab Pakistan Ban chuka, hamari Matti Pakistan he, Ham Pakistani hein, Hamara Jeena Marna yahe he, or Ham ne Pehle b Pakistan k liye Qurbani di ti or ab b Dein ge,

Pakistan Zindabad
Quaid-e-Azam Zindabad

[MultaniMunda]

Asalam-o-Alaikum,

Bhai aap sab Jazbati na ho, Me Dubai me hota ta tab mere 2 Indians Muslim Friend te wo Partition k Khilaf hein..
You Know Why ?????

Partion k bad Tamam Muslim Leaders or or Lakhon Musalman Pakistan a agye lekin khuch Lakhon Musalman aise b te jo kisi waja se Hijrat nahe kar sake..
Kya aap ko pata he k Partion k bad India me Musalmano k sath kya huwa ??? Kitne Musalmao ko Shaheed kar diya, un ki Jaan, Maal or Izat Looti gaye....
Is Context me dekhein to Dono ki bat sahe he,
Baharhaal ab ye tareekh ka hisa hein or hame is Sachayi ko accept karna hoga....
Lekin ab Pakistan Ban chuka, hamari Matti Pakistan he, Ham Pakistani hein, Hamara Jeena Marna yahe he, or Ham ne Pehle b Pakistan k liye Qurbani di ti or ab b Dein ge,

Pakistan Zindabad
Quaid-e-Azam Zindabad


Yes, I am agreed with your point of veiws. Partition ke bad Musalmano par buhat Zulam dhalay gay.. especially unn Musalmano par Jo Hindustan say Pakistan ki taraf hijrat nahi kar sakay. humain is haqiqat ko tasleem karna hoga. lekin jo howa so howa...... ab Pakistan hi sab kuch hai humara...

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

[Sky_faith]

Pakistan Allah wish on the earth... Who is Dr.Zakir and Altaf ....it had to happen...so human mind can not comprehend existence of Pakistan..

[moin khan1]

[QUOTE=ConcernedPakistani;145918]Mr. Jury I have a suggestion for you. Stop working for Altaf Hussain and start working for Pakistan.[/QU

There is no problem in pakistan if you first check in your colar then you can tell to other ok Mr. dash

[moin khan1]

Dukh howa ye jaan ke!

whats up my friend the earth is too short for you. you should go to the moon. if you want to live here you should accept reality.

[samar]

Pakistan ka Matlab kia La illaha Illalah

and Zakir Naik.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOq_c2SNrRU

Something about thinker of pakistan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5InKreewK1Y

[Truthslapper]

:pakistan-flag-wavin:pakistan-flag-wavin(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhan da)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda)(jhanda )(jhanda)(jhanda):pakistan-flag-wavin:pakistan-flag-wavin

[PAINDO]

محترم ثمر صاحب پاکستان کا مطلب لاالا کیسے بنتا ہے کیا آپ بتا سکتے ہیں اور ڈاکٹر ذاکر کی ایک اپنی راے ہے راے سے اختلاف کا آپ کو پورا حق ہے مگر یہ کیا کبھی آپ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد مرحوم رح کو اپنی محدود تفہیم سے گستاخ قرار دیتے ہو اور کبھی ذاکر نائک کی راے کے بعد اپنی راے کا اظہار ویڈیو کے ذریعے کرتےہیں
علاوہ آپ قران و حدیث کا مطالعہ کرنا بھی پسند نہیں فرماتے جس کا ذکر آپ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد رح کی تھریڈ کے نیچے دے چکے ہیں
اگر آپ بتانا پسند فرمائیں کہ آپ کا نقطہ کیا ہے ہو سکتا ہے میں یا کوئی اور اس معاملہ میں آپ کی مدد کر سکیں

شکریہ

[wak125]

Dr. Zakir Naik is a respectable religious scholar, but keep it in mind that even sometimes Prophets’ personal thoughts/opinions are not right, therefore no need to quote him in such scenario.

Please do not bracket Altaf Husain with Dr, Zakir Naik; Altaf is simply free lance agent, usually hired by India, USA, UK….

[Nice2MU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMsg8lt0Grw

So What???????????????

Zakir Naik should be considered as Religious Scholar not a Political Analysts. So it doesn't mean whatever he says is 100 % right.

Pakistan is a reality and every one should accept it as such.

And if your Altaf and you still want Both Parts as "Mutahid" (I guess Mutahida is taken from Muttahid and MQM is also struggling for it) then I must tell you, it can't come true.

MQMers rather should go back to India and should do politics for "Muttahida Hindustan" from there not from here.